But how would you co-opt the community with an open-source license? I mean, if it passes OSI's criteria, then what leverage would that give?
I don't have this completely thought out yet, but imagine something more restrictive than BSD (like GPL), but incompatible with GPL (like that should be hard). Even if it passes OSI requirements, having multiple incompatible licenses would hurt. Now, at least GPL can take BSD code, if not vice versa.
Not sure how they'd get people to use a new license; ideology isn't likely, but what if they made a good toolset open source? What if they heavily funded some Open Source projects with the requirement that they use the MS license?
To me, one effective thing to do would be to make some good tools open source, but include algorithms or whatnot that MS almost certainly has patents on. That would make it impossible to include in GPL projects. They could make it so that the patent encumbrance didn't hurt redistribution much, but made it hard to merge with other projects.
Just a thought. If they're smart, they could try something like that.
My school is very pro-open-source (what college isn't?), and recently MS has been sending more and more "open source evangelist" types to recruitment talks. The whole point is to convince people to join MS, because they're no longer evil, and are now doing cool open source, innovative projects!
Oh, to be sure, they like that. But that's only part of it. This is much bigger than just hiring entry-level devs - this is about combating the toehold open source has in the business market. They see how Google is propping up the Mozilla foundation and Sun OpenOffice to combat MS, and they'd like to turn the tables.
I could see them doing a lot of things. I could see them funding a few initiatives that compete against rivals where it makes sense. I can also see them trying to wheedle themselves in so they can attempt to splinter the community. And history has shown the best way to do that is with the one thing MS has a lot of: money.
MS has gotten where it has by being ruthless. I don't see that changing, and to think otherwise might be a little naive. Money and incompatible licensing is the best way to fracture the community. If I were MS, that's what I'd try.
Yeah, I mean other than those. That crap came under my "made steps down that road, but not seriously" part. They have to be more clever than that if they expect to start co-opting the open source community.
No doubt that approach remains dominant, but it's too simplistic. The article seems to conclude that Microsoft is after hearts and minds, developers, specifically, but anyone else within earshot would help just the same.
That would make the latest developments more akin to Walmart's "our valued associates" commercials, oil companies touting "green" initiatives, US car makers promising economic turnarounds with concept cars, or, if you're so inclined, presidential political political strategies that ranged from compassionate conservatism, to "restoring honor", to the latest "I'm Different (honest!)" by McCain.
Right. That's step 1, "Embrace". I'm interested to see what "Extend" is in this context. Possibly a new open source license? They've made steps down that road, but not seriously.
For instance, I could peer with a large network provider and ask for 100Mbits both way. The price would drop significantly since it's just a simple network connection after that.
I'm assuming you went for funny and the mods missed it.
Just in case you were serious...why the hell would they peer with you? Unless a whole lot of their customers were sitting inside your network (ie, in your house), they'd be carrying all your traffic and you none of theirs. So that peer agreement would be rather imbalanced.
I dare you though - call up Verizon and tell them you want a peer agreement. Would be a good prank if nothing else.
But an even more fun game for those of us who sold in 06 or early 07 and are now looking at buying on the cheap.
Ugh. A lot less fun for those of us who had, say, a pregnant wife in early '06 and dire need of a bigger place. Still kills me, I saw the bubble coming a mile away and couldn't wait it out. Bah.
To be a little more complete, the easily available credit also increased demand on real estate, thus driving prices upward drastically... and the combination of tightened credit availability and a slower economy has now caused prices to fall, leaving people in a negative equity situation.
Better yet, define that as a feedback loop - increased demand for real estate gave people a lot of equity they could use for even *more* easily available credit! Yay!
So you had people taking out loans they couldn't afford, to get money to pay credit card bills, which they rationalized by figuring they could re-fi next year when their house went up 25%.
Fun game of merry-go-round for a lot of stupid people...while it lasted.
It makes him just as dirty. And you should, as the above responder mentions, instead be asking the question: why are the democrats running a guy this dirty?
I don't know - maybe because it reminds them of FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, and Clinton, to name a few from the last hundred years? I'm not saying the Republicans are angels by any stretch when it comes to campaign shenanigans - but then they aren't the ones trying to claim the moral high ground, generally.
I'd humbly suggest that removing the phone from the house of an elderly, helpless, senile person is probably not a complete solution.
Well not *immediately*, there will be the eventual problem when the bloated, 2-week old corpse is discovered by the guy who reads the gas meter. But once that mess is cleaned up I think we can declare mission accomplished.
Outside of the spineless lap-dogs in the government, we still have art, music, comedy and other culture that is very much independent of the United States (although, of course, influenced by US culture) and still worth something.
Yeah, that'll last until people realize that the last 20 years of Stones tours have been an elaborate "Weekend at Bernies" style ruse.;)
Same here. A little over 6 miles each way for me, and I treat it like a workout so I average about 20mph when I'm really pushing it. Since I started doing that, I've had to change my diet to "eat whatever I want whenever I want" just to keep my weight *up*. Quite a change from 5 years ago when I decided to go on a diet because I was 30 pounds overweight and none of my clothes fit.
Does slackware even have FF3 yet? I don't think you'll have much luck other than relying on external binaries someone other than the slackware maintainers create. Slackware likes being ancient. They still use LILO by default...
Slackware users don't care about defaults, we go get whatever we want. LILO is good because it's simple, but I've installed grub on machines as well. It's not hard.
I have been to real prisons in California. And I can tell you, I would have loved to be in one of those federal camp snoopy's. Oh yeah, I was not allowed next to an uncontrolled computer for about 5 years;P.
They certainly won't use CaO or Ca(OH)2, because it's stupid. I woud expect you to know that. They will use CaCO3 (unprocessed limestone). Calcium hydrocarbonate (Ca(HCO3)2) will be formed.
According to the article, they're using lime, aka calcium oxide. Dumping CaCO3 into the ocean wouldn't do much of anything.
I'm a chemist too, and read the article, but there were no technical details upon which to judge it. However, I'm pretty leery of screwing with the pH of the ocean, since ecosystems need a pretty stable pH range to thrive. The problems I'd see involve ocean current circulation - namely, how fast can you put the CaO in locally such that it disperses worldwide and generates pH advantages without screwing the pH locally such that it creates ecosystem problems?
I still have this niggling fear that they're just setting up a feedback loop, because they're not looking at the whole picture. They're making CaO by sticking CO2 into the atmosphere, putting CaO into the ocean, which drops the pH and sucks up some CO2. My thinking is that they've probably used the existing amount of CO2 in the air to determine the rate of CO2 absorption (which they can't do), and that the pH decrease in the rainwater will balance the pH increase of the ocean - which works only until it rains and they re-mix. In other words, when this reaction cycle completes, the pH of the ocean is ultimately the same.
My intuition is that this won't work, since in the end every mole of CaO they create will ultimately recombine and be re-sequestered as CaCO3 in the ocean. The question is where we want the sequestered CaCO3 - on land or in water? It seems to me if the CaCO3 is in an arid environment as it currently is, that's better than in the ocean where it could actually retard further carbon sequestration through reverse-reaction with acid.
I give them points for trying, and I don't have enough details to prove it won't work, but I think this is an example best illustrated in the Simpsons, where Homer makes his money by selling grease...that he gets from bacon he cooks...that Marge buys at a higher price.
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Products that cost 50% more than comparable tech elsewhere because they have a tiny fruit symbol on them had BETTER work perfect... all the time.
No, what is hurting Linux is that numbering is way to geeky. The next version shouldn't be 2.6.X. For more widespread adoption, we might try cutesy names like Fluffy Rabbit to attract more females and kids. Or for professional sounding names like Tranquil. Of even more generic like Balls. That would be hilarious in everyday conversation. "Today I installed a new set of Balls at work." Hey why is everyone leaving? Hello, is anyone out there?
Man, you totally forgot the logo. That damned penguin is way too threatening and doesn't make any sort of political message. What we need there is a stylized picture of a group of hippies standing in a circle holding hands. Also, we need more than new version names, we need a new name, period. Stop calling it Linux because that doesn't mean shit. What we need is to find some vaguely positive word, translate it into a language used in some third-world nation, and use that for the name. What the hell is the Sanskrit word for "awareness", or some shit like that? Can we use that for the name of our OS?
Just read a great book about China's 'discovery' of the America around 1421 and they were able to get their junks around Greenland, a feat not otherwise possible, but it was warm that year.
Just think how much they've progressed, now they can get their junks all the way to Walmart!
That is NOT Gate's writing style and there are several mistakes as well that point to someone other than gates wrote the letter.
It does appear to be confirmed.
"I go to microsoft.com they have a download center" HUH? Cince when does the Head executive of the company refer to the company as "they" instead of "we"? I have never seen it even down to the grunt level.
When that executive is talking to someone else in the company. Otherwise it's damned confusing.
The more the goddamn airlines nickel and dime us to death, the less we'll fly, and the less money they'll make.
Then I assume you're a fan of higher flat-rate pricing? Because that's the alternative. Fuel is more expensive for airlines too, and fuel is a huge proportion of their costs. No real way around that other than higher prices.
Obviously higher prices leads to less flying, which is simple supply/demand economics.
If they are on a hill - a mudslide. In the woods - forest fires.
Sorry, bud, but it's the rich folks in the Hollywood hills and the suburbs surrounding LA and San Diego that get hit most from those events. I realize that doesn't fit with your obnoxiously elitist premise, but there you go.
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But how would you co-opt the community with an open-source license? I mean, if it passes OSI's criteria, then what leverage would that give?
I don't have this completely thought out yet, but imagine something more restrictive than BSD (like GPL), but incompatible with GPL (like that should be hard). Even if it passes OSI requirements, having multiple incompatible licenses would hurt. Now, at least GPL can take BSD code, if not vice versa.
Not sure how they'd get people to use a new license; ideology isn't likely, but what if they made a good toolset open source? What if they heavily funded some Open Source projects with the requirement that they use the MS license?
To me, one effective thing to do would be to make some good tools open source, but include algorithms or whatnot that MS almost certainly has patents on. That would make it impossible to include in GPL projects. They could make it so that the patent encumbrance didn't hurt redistribution much, but made it hard to merge with other projects.
Just a thought. If they're smart, they could try something like that.
My school is very pro-open-source (what college isn't?), and recently MS has been sending more and more "open source evangelist" types to recruitment talks. The whole point is to convince people to join MS, because they're no longer evil, and are now doing cool open source, innovative projects!
Oh, to be sure, they like that. But that's only part of it. This is much bigger than just hiring entry-level devs - this is about combating the toehold open source has in the business market. They see how Google is propping up the Mozilla foundation and Sun OpenOffice to combat MS, and they'd like to turn the tables.
I could see them doing a lot of things. I could see them funding a few initiatives that compete against rivals where it makes sense. I can also see them trying to wheedle themselves in so they can attempt to splinter the community. And history has shown the best way to do that is with the one thing MS has a lot of: money.
MS has gotten where it has by being ruthless. I don't see that changing, and to think otherwise might be a little naive. Money and incompatible licensing is the best way to fracture the community. If I were MS, that's what I'd try.
Yeah, I mean other than those. That crap came under my "made steps down that road, but not seriously" part. They have to be more clever than that if they expect to start co-opting the open source community.
No doubt that approach remains dominant, but it's too simplistic. The article seems to conclude that Microsoft is after hearts and minds, developers, specifically, but anyone else within earshot would help just the same. That would make the latest developments more akin to Walmart's "our valued associates" commercials, oil companies touting "green" initiatives, US car makers promising economic turnarounds with concept cars, or, if you're so inclined, presidential political political strategies that ranged from compassionate conservatism, to "restoring honor", to the latest "I'm Different (honest!)" by McCain.
Right. That's step 1, "Embrace". I'm interested to see what "Extend" is in this context. Possibly a new open source license? They've made steps down that road, but not seriously.
For instance, I could peer with a large network provider and ask for 100Mbits both way. The price would drop significantly since it's just a simple network connection after that.
I'm assuming you went for funny and the mods missed it.
Just in case you were serious...why the hell would they peer with you? Unless a whole lot of their customers were sitting inside your network (ie, in your house), they'd be carrying all your traffic and you none of theirs. So that peer agreement would be rather imbalanced.
I dare you though - call up Verizon and tell them you want a peer agreement. Would be a good prank if nothing else.
But an even more fun game for those of us who sold in 06 or early 07 and are now looking at buying on the cheap.
Ugh. A lot less fun for those of us who had, say, a pregnant wife in early '06 and dire need of a bigger place. Still kills me, I saw the bubble coming a mile away and couldn't wait it out. Bah.
To be a little more complete, the easily available credit also increased demand on real estate, thus driving prices upward drastically... and the combination of tightened credit availability and a slower economy has now caused prices to fall, leaving people in a negative equity situation.
Better yet, define that as a feedback loop - increased demand for real estate gave people a lot of equity they could use for even *more* easily available credit! Yay!
So you had people taking out loans they couldn't afford, to get money to pay credit card bills, which they rationalized by figuring they could re-fi next year when their house went up 25%.
Fun game of merry-go-round for a lot of stupid people...while it lasted.
Seriously, though, in England and Wales there is an established legal Right to Wander; so long as I don't do damage, I can wander wherever I like.
Wow, they've legally codified the right to pubcrawl? Where do I apply? ;)
I'm interested in this though - how far does it apply? Can somebody just camp out in your backyard if they want?
It makes him just as dirty. And you should, as the above responder mentions, instead be asking the question: why are the democrats running a guy this dirty?
I don't know - maybe because it reminds them of FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, and Clinton, to name a few from the last hundred years? I'm not saying the Republicans are angels by any stretch when it comes to campaign shenanigans - but then they aren't the ones trying to claim the moral high ground, generally.
I'd humbly suggest that removing the phone from the house of an elderly, helpless, senile person is probably not a complete solution.
Well not *immediately*, there will be the eventual problem when the bloated, 2-week old corpse is discovered by the guy who reads the gas meter. But once that mess is cleaned up I think we can declare mission accomplished.
Outside of the spineless lap-dogs in the government, we still have art, music, comedy and other culture that is very much independent of the United States (although, of course, influenced by US culture) and still worth something.
Yeah, that'll last until people realize that the last 20 years of Stones tours have been an elaborate "Weekend at Bernies" style ruse. ;)
Same here. A little over 6 miles each way for me, and I treat it like a workout so I average about 20mph when I'm really pushing it. Since I started doing that, I've had to change my diet to "eat whatever I want whenever I want" just to keep my weight *up*. Quite a change from 5 years ago when I decided to go on a diet because I was 30 pounds overweight and none of my clothes fit.
Does slackware even have FF3 yet? I don't think you'll have much luck other than relying on external binaries someone other than the slackware maintainers create. Slackware likes being ancient. They still use LILO by default...
Slackware users don't care about defaults, we go get whatever we want. LILO is good because it's simple, but I've installed grub on machines as well. It's not hard.
Speaking of which, anybody know what patent numbers were issued? I can't find them in the USPTO database.
I have been to real prisons in California. And I can tell you, I would have loved to be in one of those federal camp snoopy's. Oh yeah, I was not allowed next to an uncontrolled computer for about 5 years ;P.
That's so sweet! Kevin's found Slashdot!
They certainly won't use CaO or Ca(OH)2, because it's stupid. I woud expect you to know that. They will use CaCO3 (unprocessed limestone). Calcium hydrocarbonate (Ca(HCO3)2) will be formed.
According to the article, they're using lime, aka calcium oxide. Dumping CaCO3 into the ocean wouldn't do much of anything.
I'm a chemist too, and read the article, but there were no technical details upon which to judge it. However, I'm pretty leery of screwing with the pH of the ocean, since ecosystems need a pretty stable pH range to thrive. The problems I'd see involve ocean current circulation - namely, how fast can you put the CaO in locally such that it disperses worldwide and generates pH advantages without screwing the pH locally such that it creates ecosystem problems?
I still have this niggling fear that they're just setting up a feedback loop, because they're not looking at the whole picture. They're making CaO by sticking CO2 into the atmosphere, putting CaO into the ocean, which drops the pH and sucks up some CO2. My thinking is that they've probably used the existing amount of CO2 in the air to determine the rate of CO2 absorption (which they can't do), and that the pH decrease in the rainwater will balance the pH increase of the ocean - which works only until it rains and they re-mix. In other words, when this reaction cycle completes, the pH of the ocean is ultimately the same.
My intuition is that this won't work, since in the end every mole of CaO they create will ultimately recombine and be re-sequestered as CaCO3 in the ocean. The question is where we want the sequestered CaCO3 - on land or in water? It seems to me if the CaCO3 is in an arid environment as it currently is, that's better than in the ocean where it could actually retard further carbon sequestration through reverse-reaction with acid.
I give them points for trying, and I don't have enough details to prove it won't work, but I think this is an example best illustrated in the Simpsons, where Homer makes his money by selling grease...that he gets from bacon he cooks...that Marge buys at a higher price.
Products that cost 50% more than comparable tech elsewhere because they have a tiny fruit symbol on them had BETTER work perfect... all the time.
Same goes for your underwear.
No, what is hurting Linux is that numbering is way to geeky. The next version shouldn't be 2.6.X. For more widespread adoption, we might try cutesy names like Fluffy Rabbit to attract more females and kids. Or for professional sounding names like Tranquil. Of even more generic like Balls. That would be hilarious in everyday conversation. "Today I installed a new set of Balls at work." Hey why is everyone leaving? Hello, is anyone out there?
Man, you totally forgot the logo. That damned penguin is way too threatening and doesn't make any sort of political message. What we need there is a stylized picture of a group of hippies standing in a circle holding hands. Also, we need more than new version names, we need a new name, period. Stop calling it Linux because that doesn't mean shit. What we need is to find some vaguely positive word, translate it into a language used in some third-world nation, and use that for the name. What the hell is the Sanskrit word for "awareness", or some shit like that? Can we use that for the name of our OS?
Just read a great book about China's 'discovery' of the America around 1421 and they were able to get their junks around Greenland, a feat not otherwise possible, but it was warm that year.
Just think how much they've progressed, now they can get their junks all the way to Walmart!
That is NOT Gate's writing style and there are several mistakes as well that point to someone other than gates wrote the letter.
It does appear to be confirmed.
"I go to microsoft.com they have a download center" HUH? Cince when does the Head executive of the company refer to the company as "they" instead of "we"? I have never seen it even down to the grunt level.
When that executive is talking to someone else in the company. Otherwise it's damned confusing.
The more the goddamn airlines nickel and dime us to death, the less we'll fly, and the less money they'll make.
Then I assume you're a fan of higher flat-rate pricing? Because that's the alternative. Fuel is more expensive for airlines too, and fuel is a huge proportion of their costs. No real way around that other than higher prices.
Obviously higher prices leads to less flying, which is simple supply/demand economics.
If they are on a hill - a mudslide. In the woods - forest fires.
Sorry, bud, but it's the rich folks in the Hollywood hills and the suburbs surrounding LA and San Diego that get hit most from those events. I realize that doesn't fit with your obnoxiously elitist premise, but there you go.
This is a friendly reminder that your Acme brand Sarcasm Detector is due for calibration maintenance.
They should at least rename it to try to distance the software as much as possible from its creator....
Nah. I may be a dorky white guy who's never been in a real fight, but now that I'm using a murderer's filesystem I feel, like, totally gangsta.
Don't take that away from me.