OpenBSD has had it since at least 3.3. There was a large amount of press about it when they announced it, relatively close to the time they had the DARPA funding pulled.
Look, as an example, at the *BSD world. They have lots of talented people, many of the finest minds in the *nix world, and started with a good product. Yet a "college kid" in Finland started a product that kicked their collective arses in market penetration. Why? Linux mostly avoided the bueracracy and political infighting that has plagued *BSD. (neither an opinion of the technical merits of *BSD, nor a "BSD is dying troll)
Ah, but it is.
BSD has no more infighting than Linux on any given day. I mean, hell, there are only 3 different free distros based on 4.4BSD, how many Linux distros do we have that are all different? If anything, I'd say there is more infighting between the Linux groups.
The sole reason BSD is not either a equal in installed base of Linux is it was hit with a lawsuit before it could even get a good foothold in the marketplace, instead of after it had been around for 12 years.
And "avoided the bueracracy"? Have you tried sending code to the GNU project? (hey, if your running "Linux," you've got GNU tools as your base system, so we do have to consider that as part of Linux, yes no?)
If SCO had pulled what they are on the Linux kernel at the same time AT&T lost their minds, it's quite possible both BSD and Linux would be on equal footing today.
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But there's nothing to stop someone booting my PC from a floppy and stealing my documents.
Unless you remove the floppy drive....
But this is all silly talk. We all know the only way to keep a system secure is to run OpenBSD.
Then turn it off. Destroy the power supply connections on the HDD and motherboard. At this point, I like to fill the case with cement, it gives it a nice heft, and it looks really cool at the lan parties.
Next, we chop this into 20 seperate parts, which are then in turn chopped into 20 parts. Finally, we soak these in acid, and bury them 200 feet below sea level in concrete. Shoot all those who know of the location.
Something that Gentoo has over FreeBSD (and not just with regard to my system) are use flags.
And something that hurts it are USE flags.
Unless you feel like sitting there, before installing anything, and going through all the USE flags, you will have to do a clean install at some time.
But let's say you move from KDE to GNOME. Clean install, because emerge -C will leave too much junk around, and you can't safely remove things because Emerge doesn't keep account of dependancies on emerge -Cs.
Of course since FreeBSD's ports usually use the same varibles for each optional library, you can put them in make.conf (gee, sounds oddly familiar) and boom, your good to go.
And don't get me started on the Gentoo/etc situation. My god. I'm fully convinced you can find Hoffa in there.
For the record, the Nvidia driver doesn't crash either of my computers, and the BT848 driver works fine here.
I used Gentoo for about a year and a half, and now even my desktops are FreeBSD.
So, go from one closed software license that could cause them to lose money to another closed license that could cause them to lose money in the same way if someone up and decides to pull a BSA, and put more money in the pockets of the people he was trying to avoid completely by raising the stock price on those shares, regardless of if they were voting or not.
I killed my Gentoo install when it failed compiling some new ebuild, or just while upgrading, again. And after getting tired of it beeping while compiling Mozilla more often then if someone was typing their thesis in vi in command mode.
Meanwhile everything compiles with FreeBSD on the same computer. So, hey...
But this also glosses over the fact that it's finding simple bugs that have been known to be bad coding technique for years.
It's amazing how many times, for example, the OpenBSD team will report they've found another buffer overrun in some program or another. It's 2003, why are we still allowing ourselves to code software that allows this to happen?
The big news here isn't that it can probably only find simple bugs, but that it still does.
Gnome is rapidly becoming a major clusterfuck these days. Which is a shame, because the only other real option is selling yourself to SCO (aka... Trolltech's owner), and subjecting yourself to the full GPL just to write desktop apps, or paying SCO $3000 for every developer.
*looks at his XFCE 4 desktop*
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your GNOME and KDE.
RC 3 is due out tomorrow, why not give it a try? You might be pleasantly suprised.
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Less fans == less work for the belabored fan manufacturers of America.
Won't someone please think of the children. Err, jobs.
OpenBSD has had it since at least 3.3. There was a large amount of press about it when they announced it, relatively close to the time they had the DARPA funding pulled.
Look, as an example, at the *BSD world. They have lots of talented people, many of the finest minds in the *nix world, and started with a good product. Yet a "college kid" in Finland started a product that kicked their collective arses in market penetration. Why? Linux mostly avoided the bueracracy and political infighting that has plagued *BSD. (neither an opinion of the technical merits of *BSD, nor a "BSD is dying troll)
Ah, but it is.
BSD has no more infighting than Linux on any given day. I mean, hell, there are only 3 different free distros based on 4.4BSD, how many Linux distros do we have that are all different? If anything, I'd say there is more infighting between the Linux groups.
The sole reason BSD is not either a equal in installed base of Linux is it was hit with a lawsuit before it could even get a good foothold in the marketplace, instead of after it had been around for 12 years.
And "avoided the bueracracy"? Have you tried sending code to the GNU project? (hey, if your running "Linux," you've got GNU tools as your base system, so we do have to consider that as part of Linux, yes no?)
If SCO had pulled what they are on the Linux kernel at the same time AT&T lost their minds, it's quite possible both BSD and Linux would be on equal footing today.
But there's nothing to stop someone booting my PC from a floppy and stealing my documents.
Unless you remove the floppy drive....
But this is all silly talk. We all know the only way to keep a system secure is to run OpenBSD.
Then turn it off. Destroy the power supply connections on the HDD and motherboard. At this point, I like to fill the case with cement, it gives it a nice heft, and it looks really cool at the lan parties.
Next, we chop this into 20 seperate parts, which are then in turn chopped into 20 parts. Finally, we soak these in acid, and bury them 200 feet below sea level in concrete. Shoot all those who know of the location.
Your information has never been so secure!
I believe Mplayer plays both of them.
e di a/mplayer/pkg-descr
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/multim
Don't forget the native Mozilla/Opera plugin while your there.
Xine would probably be fine as well.
The only people who will upgrade this way are hard-core geeks. Debian users will simply use apt to grab a package containing the latest kernel,
;)
The fact that you do not hold Debian users as hard-core speaks volumes on your idea of technical aptitude.
But that said, i'd imagine Mandrake would ship a copy with 2.6 on it before RedHat, as I believe they already have RCs out with a -TEST kernel.
So we're all agreed on XFCE 4? Rocking! ... What? Oh your no fun anymore.
A station wagon full of tapes sitting in the driveway is just storage space.
Ya, station wagons are usually a hard drive. 'Cept maybe if you have power steering.
Something that Gentoo has over FreeBSD (and not just with regard to my system) are use flags.
/etc situation. My god. I'm fully convinced you can find Hoffa in there.
And something that hurts it are USE flags.
Unless you feel like sitting there, before installing anything, and going through all the USE flags, you will have to do a clean install at some time.
But let's say you move from KDE to GNOME. Clean install, because emerge -C will leave too much junk around, and you can't safely remove things because Emerge doesn't keep account of dependancies on emerge -Cs.
Of course since FreeBSD's ports usually use the same varibles for each optional library, you can put them in make.conf (gee, sounds oddly familiar) and boom, your good to go.
And don't get me started on the Gentoo
For the record, the Nvidia driver doesn't crash either of my computers, and the BT848 driver works fine here.
I used Gentoo for about a year and a half, and now even my desktops are FreeBSD.
So, go from one closed software license that could cause them to lose money to another closed license that could cause them to lose money in the same way if someone up and decides to pull a BSA, and put more money in the pockets of the people he was trying to avoid completely by raising the stock price on those shares, regardless of if they were voting or not.
Yep. He sure didn't research.
Unless the HR manager is a college assistant who has Bonzi Buddy installed on her Windows laptop,
And therein lies the problem.....
Why arse around with all that.
Install FreeBSD, put a Aqua theme on your GNOME/KDE/XFCE/Enlighenment desktop, and click on the terminal button.
Boom. Instant OS X for your x86.
Or if you want to get real authentic, there's always OpenDarwin....
Choosy trolls choose X.
Now in smooth and extra gunmetal.
... What? I just like ellipsis.
How's about just a dark side mod instead? Never can have enough Dark Side Points.
But Portage is...
Broken?
I killed my Gentoo install when it failed compiling some new ebuild, or just while upgrading, again. And after getting tired of it beeping while compiling Mozilla more often then if someone was typing their thesis in vi in command mode.
Meanwhile everything compiles with FreeBSD on the same computer. So, hey...
We'd all be reduced to writing on stone tablets by fire!
So MS's tablet-computer initative's taking off then?
Sigh, whatever Distro can upgrade the entire OS (in place!) with a single command: emerge -u world.
freeBSD - portupgrade -aRr
And then me system be upgraded, yarrrrr.
Looks like someone already did.
Check their website.
>>"Defenestration" is to throw out of a window;
:^)
>>what's a word for throwing 'Windows' out of
>>something?
>
>Linuxation.
Actually, I though it was BSDefenestration.
And thus, pkg_add was born.
But this also glosses over the fact that it's finding simple bugs that have been known to be bad coding technique for years.
It's amazing how many times, for example, the OpenBSD team will report they've found another buffer overrun in some program or another. It's 2003, why are we still allowing ourselves to code software that allows this to happen?
The big news here isn't that it can probably only find simple bugs, but that it still does.
And remember: It's about choice.
we're just going to find ourselves ending up with a single system with no choice
Until the *BSD FTP sites come back online after their bi-yearly maintance.
(it's a joke. Laugh. I mean, seriously, like they'd need to be taken down that often.)
is the beer free, or just opened?
Gnome is rapidly becoming a major clusterfuck these days. Which is a shame, because the only other real option is selling yourself to SCO (aka... Trolltech's owner), and subjecting yourself to the full GPL just to write desktop apps, or paying SCO $3000 for every developer.
*looks at his XFCE 4 desktop*
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your GNOME and KDE.
RC 3 is due out tomorrow, why not give it a try? You might be pleasantly suprised.