I'm surprised Max Payne gets mentioned here (and again by another poster down the thread). Not only did it load in a reasonable amount of time on a PII-350 level system, the quickloads were very fast and I don't remember being frustrated at that at all. I also found the whole game quite easy, and even the walk-the-thin-line, jump-over-there puzzles, which I normally hate, didn't cause me much trouble.
And now that you bastards mentioned Max Payne, I'll have to dig it out and finish it twice today, thanks!
I'm dual booting with Vista for about a month now, and while the drivers I tried (don't remember the version, not the current version) aren't nearly as fast or fully featured as the 2000/xp ones, I don't see it as a problem worth suing over. The drivers are constantly improving, and just recently (wasn't it on the day of Vista launch?) the 100.54 drivers were released with SLI support and a lot of the problems appearantly fixed.
Now, this doesn't excuse NVIDIA from being dicks on their forums, but if it's ok for Apple to do, it must be ok for NVIDIA too.
Ok, I think the "exploit" is ridiculous, but what I do find interesting is how would it deal with UAC? If the commands ask the computer to do something dangerous, the system should prompt the user with the privilege elevation dialog which is on a separate secure desktop and so shouldn't react to anything but direct user input. Anybody tried that?
>Have you tried playing Blu-Ray on said laptop? HD-DVD? If you did, I think you'd find that you can't play it in high definition.
Have you? I think you'd find that the current HD-DVD movies don't have the flag that turns on the degradation requirement. But still, the 2-year old Celeron won't play movies in their full 1080p glory, because my 3 year old P4 can't properly play even 720p video without choking.
This bill is absolutely needed, because the internet has been completely destroyed by evil corporations since the problem of INTERNET NEUTRALITY was discovered by brave Democrats last year! Seriously, the closest thing to a net neutrality problem that came up since then was a DNS outage at comcast(or maybe another cable ISP). Of course digg was all over it, but that doesn't make it anything more serious than some DNS fuckup.
The audio rewrite allows for example per application sound level control so it's not "just because", although I guess the removal of HAL isn't such a good idea. Anyway, Creative has the ALchemy project which translates the old DirectSound instructions into OpenAL, and thus allows some old games to use EAX. IMO, EAX in old games isn't such a huge deal, and all the new ones will work fine.
The main problem with Vista and gaming are the horrible video drivers, or at least NVIDIA drivers. Not only they are slow, but they also don't allow overclocking (very useful for a 6600 which can run above 6600GT speeds), but even some basic settings seem to make no difference.
Yes, my Zen works with Vista. It seemed a little slower than usual, but I only uploaded a few files. I didn't do the PlayForSure upgrade so all this might not even work for you, but you could give it a try.
The trick was in using not the latest drivers, which seem to do nothing in Vista, but whatever version is in the JB3MV2_PCWDRV_US_1_30_03.EXE file (my guess -- 1.30.03;) ). You should be able to download it here. It probably won't install properly when the setup asks you to plug in the player, so do a manual driver update and point it to "\Program Files\Creative\Jukebox 3 Drivers". It should find and install the drivers and the explorer plugin/browser. Let me know if you have any problems.
>What about a P4 2.8 GHz without hyper threating with 512mb of ram and a ATI Radeon with 128 video ram?;)
I'm sure it won't be much worse than a Northwood (no HT) P4 2.6 with 1GB of RAM and a 128mb 6600. That's what I'm running Vista on, and it works just fine. After turning off the Sidebar and Defender, the system uses around 300 megs of RAM, so I think your setup will be fine for office tasks or web browsing, even if you use something as bloated as Firefox and OpenOffice.
Yep, this article is what we in the industry call a "troll".
In general, I'd say Vista is ok. I've used it for about a week now, and apart from the horrible NVIDIA drivers, everything's been fine, and I'd probably switch to Vista when the situation with the drivers improves.
I don't think you'd be supporting DRM by using Vista any more than by using MacOS or an iPod. Shit, even my ancient Creative Zen supports WMA DRM, but I never have to deal with it because I don't buy DRM content.
"Oh, you know what Bill's doing, he's going for that indie dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart."
Oh man, I am not doing that. You fucking evil scumbags!
"Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. A lot of people are feeling that indignation. We've done research - huge market. He's doing a good thing."...
I don't think My Space a net negative. IMO it's nice for the idiots to have their own place to hang out, instead of running around molesting the real internet.
Look carefully at the RAM usage in task manager. Most of the "used" memory is cache - it will be freed immediately when needed. I'm running Vista with a 1gb of ram (and a 2.6 Northwood P4), and real memory usage is around 300mb. I did turn off the Defender and Sidebar, but didn't go through any serious service cleanup, so I probably saved 20-30 megs here.
The NVIDIA drivers suck, but UT2004 and Warhammer 40000 Dawn of War work fine, if slower than in xp/2003. The old Ghost Recon and R6 games work ok too. Didn't have much time to test any other games yet.
What, you don't find outrageous articles based on misinformation and speculation, full of FUD and pure lies, written by people who know nothing about what an OS consists of besides window decorations and shiny progress bars, interesting?
Also, another claim often made was that nobody actually has an HDTV, which, judging by demand of the DVRs, is not true. I don't think HDDVD+Bluray is going to outsell regular DVDs any time soon, but statements like "This format is dead because nobody has an HDTV to watch it on" are just FUD.
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I'm surprised Max Payne gets mentioned here (and again by another poster down the thread). Not only did it load in a reasonable amount of time on a PII-350 level system, the quickloads were very fast and I don't remember being frustrated at that at all. I also found the whole game quite easy, and even the walk-the-thin-line, jump-over-there puzzles, which I normally hate, didn't cause me much trouble.
And now that you bastards mentioned Max Payne, I'll have to dig it out and finish it twice today, thanks!
Isn't there already an exception allowing police hacking of computers which belong to Jews?
Does Joker classify as a terrorist? Because it's certainly possible for him to get a new national ID card designed to prevent just such problems.
Ah, the evil corporation strikes again!
I'm dual booting with Vista for about a month now, and while the drivers I tried (don't remember the version, not the current version) aren't nearly as fast or fully featured as the 2000/xp ones, I don't see it as a problem worth suing over. The drivers are constantly improving, and just recently (wasn't it on the day of Vista launch?) the 100.54 drivers were released with SLI support and a lot of the problems appearantly fixed.
Now, this doesn't excuse NVIDIA from being dicks on their forums, but if it's ok for Apple to do, it must be ok for NVIDIA too.
Ok, I think the "exploit" is ridiculous, but what I do find interesting is how would it deal with UAC? If the commands ask the computer to do something dangerous, the system should prompt the user with the privilege elevation dialog which is on a separate secure desktop and so shouldn't react to anything but direct user input. Anybody tried that?
The only way ipods* are useful for baseball players is if they use them instead of baseballs.
There you go.
*- I'll capitalize the word properly when they come up with a proper name.
>Have you tried playing Blu-Ray on said laptop? HD-DVD? If you did, I think you'd find that you can't play it in high definition.
Have you? I think you'd find that the current HD-DVD movies don't have the flag that turns on the degradation requirement. But still, the 2-year old Celeron won't play movies in their full 1080p glory, because my 3 year old P4 can't properly play even 720p video without choking.
This bill is absolutely needed, because the internet has been completely destroyed by evil corporations since the problem of INTERNET NEUTRALITY was discovered by brave Democrats last year! Seriously, the closest thing to a net neutrality problem that came up since then was a DNS outage at comcast(or maybe another cable ISP). Of course digg was all over it, but that doesn't make it anything more serious than some DNS fuckup.
The audio rewrite allows for example per application sound level control so it's not "just because", although I guess the removal of HAL isn't such a good idea. Anyway, Creative has the ALchemy project which translates the old DirectSound instructions into OpenAL, and thus allows some old games to use EAX. IMO, EAX in old games isn't such a huge deal, and all the new ones will work fine.
The main problem with Vista and gaming are the horrible video drivers, or at least NVIDIA drivers. Not only they are slow, but they also don't allow overclocking (very useful for a 6600 which can run above 6600GT speeds), but even some basic settings seem to make no difference.
Yes, my Zen works with Vista. It seemed a little slower than usual, but I only uploaded a few files.
;) ). You should be able to download it here. It probably won't install properly when the setup asks you to plug in the player, so do a manual driver update and point it to "\Program Files\Creative\Jukebox 3 Drivers". It should find and install the drivers and the explorer plugin/browser. Let me know if you have any problems.
I didn't do the PlayForSure upgrade so all this might not even work for you, but you could give it a try.
The trick was in using not the latest drivers, which seem to do nothing in Vista, but whatever version is in the JB3MV2_PCWDRV_US_1_30_03.EXE file (my guess -- 1.30.03
>What about a P4 2.8 GHz without hyper threating with 512mb of ram and a ATI Radeon with 128 video ram? ;)
I'm sure it won't be much worse than a Northwood (no HT) P4 2.6 with 1GB of RAM and a 128mb 6600. That's what I'm running Vista on, and it works just fine. After turning off the Sidebar and Defender, the system uses around 300 megs of RAM, so I think your setup will be fine for office tasks or web browsing, even if you use something as bloated as Firefox and OpenOffice.
Yep, this article is what we in the industry call a "troll".
In general, I'd say Vista is ok. I've used it for about a week now, and apart from the horrible NVIDIA drivers, everything's been fine, and I'd probably switch to Vista when the situation with the drivers improves.
I don't think you'd be supporting DRM by using Vista any more than by using MacOS or an iPod. Shit, even my ancient Creative Zen supports WMA DRM, but I never have to deal with it because I don't buy DRM content.
Riiight.
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"Oh, you know what Bill's doing, he's going for that indie dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart."
Oh man, I am not doing that. You fucking evil scumbags!
"Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. A lot of people are feeling that indignation. We've done research - huge market. He's doing a good thing."
There's only one comment made by a complete wanker here, and this comment's number is 17810616.
I don't think My Space a net negative. IMO it's nice for the idiots to have their own place to hang out, instead of running around molesting the real internet.
Fuck you, I'm shooting down missiles!
>"She will support the opinion that the majority want," which is the point of a representational government.
No, if the point was to base the decisions only on the wishes of the majority, the US would have been set up as a direct democracy.
>Do you want your leader's vote to be for sale to the most powerful lobby, or would you rather it be for sale to the public opinion of the majority?
Do you want Hitler or Stalin as your leader?
Don't choose the fish!
Look carefully at the RAM usage in task manager. Most of the "used" memory is cache - it will be freed immediately when needed. I'm running Vista with a 1gb of ram (and a 2.6 Northwood P4), and real memory usage is around 300mb. I did turn off the Defender and Sidebar, but didn't go through any serious service cleanup, so I probably saved 20-30 megs here.
The NVIDIA drivers suck, but UT2004 and Warhammer 40000 Dawn of War work fine, if slower than in xp/2003. The old Ghost Recon and R6 games work ok too. Didn't have much time to test any other games yet.
What, you don't find outrageous articles based on misinformation and speculation, full of FUD and pure lies, written by people who know nothing about what an OS consists of besides window decorations and shiny progress bars, interesting?
What are still you doing here?
when the government jumps the gun and does what it thinks is best for everyone.
An instant message? What is it?
Also, another claim often made was that nobody actually has an HDTV, which, judging by demand of the DVRs, is not true. I don't think HDDVD+Bluray is going to outsell regular DVDs any time soon, but statements like "This format is dead because nobody has an HDTV to watch it on" are just FUD.