The reason why Hotmail doesn't support POP3, I believe, is that if you can access your account in a mail-client, then you don't see any ads. In comes Hotmail popper
Therefore I think it would be reasonable for Google to expect a small fee in exchange for POP3 access .
I have 2 questions though, 1. do you think it would be possible to write an extension to, say OE and Thunderbird, so that these "relevant ads" would be displayed somewhere in the program window? 2. How long will it take for someone to write a program like hotmail popper so that people can access their Gmail accounts via Thunderbird and other email clients?
How can you get a 0.1% false negative rate when 30% of spam is getting through?
He isn't saying that 30% of spam is getting through.... He is saying that they are blocking 70% of their incoming mail as it is spam. That means that 30% is determined to be real mail.
He isn't saying that his parent poster is wrong... He is making a joke, you just didn't get it, perhaps you are blocking 70% of incoming jokes as spam? That only tells me one thing:
YOU MUST BE NEW HERE!!! Now hand over your uid, it obviously doesn't belong to you;-)
The same conversation, with Eliza on the other end:
Sales Guy: Hi, it looks like you're considering Rackspace for your hosting needs. Can I help you?
Eliza: Do you wish to help me?
Sales Guy: Yes, that's why I'm here, to help you.
Eliza: You are sure?
Sales Guy: No, to help you. To make your shopping experience with Rackspace more enjoyable.
Eliza: You are being a bit negative.
Sales Guy: You wouldn't happen to be a robot of some sort?
Eliza: Oh, i wouldnt happen to be a robot of some sort.
Sales Guy: Alright wise guy, very funny. Now please let me do my job.
Eliza: Why do you say your job? Sales Guy: I have your IP, I will be at your house in about half an hour
Eliza: Can you elaborate on that?
I have my OOo save all files to.doc and.xls by default, just for that reason, nobody wants to receive a document in pdf - what if they want to change it? And rtf? Gimme a break. I've helped a few of my friends to install OOo and I always tell them to change the default fileformat.
Does anybody use the default OpenOffice fileformats? I honestly don't see how that could work.
You're wery wrong mr. Troll, MS did translate Windows into Icelandic, at their own expense (although it was that good-for-nothing Win98 and the Icelandic version came out after the english win2k came out), see my earlier posting in this discussion
And why should they want to support Icelandic? Here are a few facts about Iceland: (1) Everybody in Iceland speaks english, (2) we're a population of 300.000! (3) the government never offered to fund the translation and (4) Microsoft lost A LOT of money on the Icelandic translation, although they can now use it to better localize WindowsXP or Longhorn. It was a raw deal for everybody IMO.
You'd be surprised how far Microsoft is willing to reach to gain goodwill from governments of small countries. I live in Iceland which has a population of a little under 300.000.
Here* you can read about the deal that Microsoft made with the Icelandic government in january 1999. The deal was that MS would translate win98 at their own expense, and in return the government was supposed to bite down on software piracy. The translated OS was, IIRC, completed about a year after Win2k came out (they propably didn't sell more than a few hundred copies) and software piracy in Iceland is still one of the highest in Europe.
*This is the homepage of our former secretary of education, who is now the secretary of justice. It might be a little bit biased, but it was the most detailed article I could find in english. Here's an extract: After several months of negotiations in 1998, I, as Iceland's Minister of Culture, Science and Education, signed an agreement with Microsoft in January 1999 under which Icelandic became recognized as one of that company's languages. We regarded this as an important achievement, and the Windows 98 operating system was duly translated into Icelandic. More Icelandic translations of Microsoft programs are scheduled to appear this autumn.
It was a rather strange experience having to fight for the acceptance of one's language in the realm of this global company. When the agreement was signed, Icelandic became the 31st language recognized by Microsoft.
Of course, the KDE GUI has been available in Icelandic for many years, and this was pointed out to the minister at the time. Sadly, the man is an idiot, and was too proud of this great deal of his to listen to anybody trying to point FOSS out to him.
I think SpamAssassin needs to start filtering out email that is not written in any language known to mankind
Here's an example of a letter that got past SA in my university mailbox (see my email above) (I usually never receive spam, but last 5 days I've gotten 3 of them)
Any Meds U Need. v1@GRa ^ V@1|um % x@nax # V/1codin Pnte.r.min .:S:oma gxbxnsaligqw
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0
tests=BAYES_30,FORGED_RCVD_NET_HELO,
HABEAS_SWE,HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG,MIME_HTML_NO_CHAR SET,MIME_HTML_ONLY,
RCVD_IN_RFCI,RCVD_IN_SBL autolearn=no version=2.60
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on #########.is
All the prescription drugs we supply are manufactured by leading
pharmaceutical companies, are sealed to ensure purity and are despatched
under plain cover to protect your confidential medical details. On
stock: ' Vali/u/m ^ XAN@X $ S+o+ma ) P.n.termin ; V1@gra ; At|`v@n Plus:
Ac'yc|0vir, Pr0.z@c, P@xi'l, Bu.sp@r, Ad|.p&x, I0n`am|n, M3ri`dia,
X3n.ica|, Amb.i3n, S0n'aTa, F`l3xeril, Ce|3'brex, Fi0ri:c3t, Tram@`do|,
U:|tr@m, L3v:|tra, Pr0p`3cia We use encrypted secure server technology.
Best prices here. http://www.fifthdimensionrx.biz. "A boy's will is the
wind's will, The vessel in its strength; And my youth comes back to me.
And the verse of that sweet old song,
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN? AND WHAT'S WITH THE POEM AT THE END? (FYI, I received another one similar to this one about 11 hours later, and the hits status had gone from -0.5 to 4.5)
Unicast is committed to ensuring that all ads either play perfectly or not at all.
At times, we make temporary decisions to exclude certain browser and/or configurations that contain known bugs or perform inconsistently in our testing and quality assurance environments.
Unicast has temporarily blocked the Sun JVM as a result of some modifications made with the most recent Sun releases. Unicast has seen consistent instability with this configuration and will continue to evaluate updates and new releases as they become available.
Should you have additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us.
this is your [OS].
good to the last drop, doesn't get any better than this.
this is your [regime], and it's ending one minute at a time.
this isn't a seminar and this isn't a weekend retreat.
where you are now you can't even imagine what the bottom will be like.
only after disaster can we be resurrected.
it's only after you have lost everything that you are free to do anything.
nothing is static, everything is appalling, everything is falling apart.
this is your life it doesn't get any better than this.
this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.
[...]
you have to give up, you have to give up.
you have to realize that someday you will die, [and Linux will take over], until you know that you are useless.
[...] this isn't a seminar.
this isn't a weekend retreat.
where you are now, you cant even
imagine what the bottom will be like.
if you don't fall all the way, you cant be saved.
it's only after you've lost everything that you are free to do anything.
Nothing is static.
Everything is changing.
[Windows] is falling apart.
However, when you go to formus.ev1servers.net you get this message:
vBulletin Message
Due to a recent slashdot article related to SCO, the forums are experiencing an extremely high number of connections, we are actively working on upgrading the servers and should be able to restore some order shortly.
I guess they're upgrading that one to run ISS too?
# Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. this right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information an ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
# The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or the rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
More info here and some judgements and decisions here. Also, I'm not sure, but I think that the European Court of Justice (part of the EU) can use the ECHR treaty in it's rulings.
Statement to the Media Regarding Microsoft Source Code Leak
Mainsoft has been a Microsoft partner since 1994, when we first entered a source code licensing agreement with Microsoft. Mainsoft takes Microsoft's and all our customers' security matters seriously, and we recognize the gravity of the situation.
We are cooperating fully with Microsoft and all authorities in their investigation.
We are unable to issue any further statement or answer questions until we have more information.
From Mike Gullard, Chairman of the Board, Mainsoft Corporation
But still, check out their front-page and count how many times the word Linux appears ^_^
Here's a link to the google cache of methlabs.org, in case it gets slashdotted (but then you wouldn't be able to access PeerGuardian_v1.99_pr14.zip from the server, now would you?:)
Anywhoo, I really fail to see the problem if the amount of spam you see has dropped. Of course there are bandwith issues, but don't you think that with more and more spam being blocked, the spammers revenues will fall? I think we will never completely stop spammers, so the only thing that we can do is stop the spam, which we are doing, and getting better at it all the time.
Slashdot Mirror
Like waiting for Duke nukem 4ever? You'll love waiting for the movie. I suggest we get Keanu Reeves to play the duke.
Yeah, like when people say they own a good car, but when you look, it's not a Banana?
It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim.
Dead, Jim.
Dead, Jim.
It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim.
Dead, Jim, Dead.
That's because Google isn't as evil as MS.
Really dude, it's like comparing Mother Theresa to Ted Bundy - who do you think has a better track-record?
I, for one, would welcome Mother Theresa's free email service, for she is a worthy email overlord (as is Google, imho).
The reason why Hotmail doesn't support POP3, I believe, is that if you can access your account in a mail-client, then you don't see any ads. In comes Hotmail popper
Therefore I think it would be reasonable for Google to expect a small fee in exchange for POP3 access .
I have 2 questions though,
1. do you think it would be possible to write an extension to, say OE and Thunderbird, so that these "relevant ads" would be displayed somewhere in the program window?
2. How long will it take for someone to write a program like hotmail popper so that people can access their Gmail accounts via Thunderbird and other email clients?
What about those of us who are using the firefox name-changing extension? I'm currently using Mozilla Powerlizard, don't I get any support?
Here's an old site wich lists and describes a few of these programs: click me!
Some of them seem to still be in business.
How can you get a 0.1% false negative rate when 30% of spam is getting through?
... He is making a joke, you just didn't get it, perhaps you are blocking 70% of incoming jokes as spam?
;-)
He isn't saying that 30% of spam is getting through.... He is saying that they are blocking 70% of their incoming mail as it is spam. That means that 30% is determined to be real mail.
He isn't saying that his parent poster is wrong
That only tells me one thing:
YOU MUST BE NEW HERE!!!
Now hand over your uid, it obviously doesn't belong to you
change your sig already
Sales Guy: Hi, it looks like you're considering Rackspace for your hosting needs. Can I help you?
Eliza: Do you wish to help me?
Sales Guy: Yes, that's why I'm here, to help you.
Eliza: You are sure?
Sales Guy: No, to help you. To make your shopping experience with Rackspace more enjoyable.
Eliza: You are being a bit negative.
Sales Guy: You wouldn't happen to be a robot of some sort?
Eliza: Oh, i wouldnt happen to be a robot of some sort.
Sales Guy: Alright wise guy, very funny. Now please let me do my job.
Eliza: Why do you say your job?
Sales Guy: I have your IP, I will be at your house in about half an hour
Eliza: Can you elaborate on that?
I hate that bot.
I have my OOo save all files to .doc and .xls by default, just for that reason, nobody wants to receive a document in pdf - what if they want to change it? And rtf? Gimme a break. I've helped a few of my friends to install OOo and I always tell them to change the default fileformat.
Does anybody use the default OpenOffice fileformats? I honestly don't see how that could work.
Yes, I am still a windows user.
You're wery wrong mr. Troll, MS did translate Windows into Icelandic, at their own expense (although it was that good-for-nothing Win98 and the Icelandic version came out after the english win2k came out), see my earlier posting in this discussion
And why should they want to support Icelandic? Here are a few facts about Iceland: (1) Everybody in Iceland speaks english, (2) we're a population of 300.000! (3) the government never offered to fund the translation and (4) Microsoft lost A LOT of money on the Icelandic translation, although they can now use it to better localize WindowsXP or Longhorn. It was a raw deal for everybody IMO.
You'd be surprised how far Microsoft is willing to reach to gain goodwill from governments of small countries.
I live in Iceland which has a population of a little under 300.000.
Here* you can read about the deal that Microsoft made with the Icelandic government in january 1999. The deal was that MS would translate win98 at their own expense, and in return the government was supposed to bite down on software piracy.
The translated OS was, IIRC, completed about a year after Win2k came out (they propably didn't sell more than a few hundred copies) and software piracy in Iceland is still one of the highest in Europe.
*This is the homepage of our former secretary of education, who is now the secretary of justice. It might be a little bit biased, but it was the most detailed article I could find in english.
Here's an extract:
After several months of negotiations in 1998, I, as Iceland's Minister of Culture, Science and Education, signed an agreement with Microsoft in January 1999 under which Icelandic became recognized as one of that company's languages. We regarded this as an important achievement, and the Windows 98 operating system was duly translated into Icelandic. More Icelandic translations of Microsoft programs are scheduled to appear this autumn.
It was a rather strange experience having to fight for the acceptance of one's language in the realm of this global company. When the agreement was signed, Icelandic became the 31st language recognized by Microsoft.
Of course, the KDE GUI has been available in Icelandic for many years, and this was pointed out to the minister at the time. Sadly, the man is an idiot, and was too proud of this great deal of his to listen to anybody trying to point FOSS out to him.
from the song Sunscreen (he propably stole it somewhere else)
Live in "New York City" once, but leave before it makes you hard.
Live in "Northern California" once, but leave before it makes you soft.
I also liked this part:
Accept certain inalienable truths:
Prices will rise.
Politicians will philander.
You, too, will get old.
And when you do, you'll fantasize that when you were young,
prices were reasonable, politicians were noble,
and children respected their elders.
I think SpamAssassin needs to start filtering out email that is not written in any language known to mankind
:S:oma gxbxnsaligqw
R SET,MIME_HTML_ONLY,
RCVD_IN_RFCI,RCVD_IN_SBL autolearn=no version=2.60
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on #########.is
Here's an example of a letter that got past SA in my university mailbox (see my email above) (I usually never receive spam, but last 5 days I've gotten 3 of them)
Any Meds U Need. v1@GRa ^ V@1|um % x@nax # V/1codin Pnte.r.min .
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,FORGED_RCVD_NET_HELO, HABEAS_SWE,HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG,MIME_HTML_NO_CHA
All the prescription drugs we supply are manufactured by leading pharmaceutical companies, are sealed to ensure purity and are despatched under plain cover to protect your confidential medical details. On stock: ' Vali/u/m ^ XAN@X $ S+o+ma ) P.n.termin ; V1@gra ; At|`v@n Plus: Ac'yc|0vir, Pr0.z@c, P@xi'l, Bu.sp@r, Ad|.p&x, I0n`am|n, M3ri`dia, X3n.ica|, Amb.i3n, S0n'aTa, F`l3xeril, Ce|3'brex, Fi0ri:c3t, Tram@`do|, U:|tr@m, L3v:|tra, Pr0p`3cia We use encrypted secure server technology. Best prices here. http://www.fifthdimensionrx.biz. "A boy's will is the wind's will, The vessel in its strength; And my youth comes back to me. And the verse of that sweet old song,
NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN? AND WHAT'S WITH THE POEM AT THE END? (FYI, I received another one similar to this one about 11 hours later, and the hits status had gone from -0.5 to 4.5)
(from the unicast website)
Unicast is committed to ensuring that all ads either play perfectly or not at all.
At times, we make temporary decisions to exclude certain browser and/or configurations that contain known bugs or perform inconsistently in our testing and quality assurance environments.
Unicast has temporarily blocked the Sun JVM as a result of some modifications made with the most recent Sun releases. Unicast has seen consistent instability with this configuration and will continue to evaluate updates and new releases as they become available.
Should you have additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us.
I just browsed through that old discussion and I found a referance to this picture of a very neat toilet office.
;)
also on topic is this didn't wash hands!!! - cartonn
For you trolls, I suggest you go to that discussion to harvest witty comments
this is your [OS].
... from the movie fight club.
good to the last drop, doesn't get any better than this.
this is your [regime], and it's ending one minute at a time.
this isn't a seminar and this isn't a weekend retreat.
where you are now you can't even imagine what the bottom will be like.
only after disaster can we be resurrected.
it's only after you have lost everything that you are free to do anything.
nothing is static, everything is appalling, everything is falling apart.
this is your life it doesn't get any better than this.
this is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.
[...]
you have to give up, you have to give up.
you have to realize that someday you will die, [and Linux will take over], until you know that you are useless.
[...]
this isn't a seminar.
this isn't a weekend retreat.
where you are now, you cant even imagine what the bottom will be like.
if you don't fall all the way, you cant be saved.
it's only after you've lost everything that you are free to do anything.
Nothing is static.
Everything is changing.
[Windows] is falling apart.
Sometimes being a hacker can backfire
www.ev1servers.net seems to be working fine.
However, when you go to formus.ev1servers.net you get this message:
vBulletin Message Due to a recent slashdot article related to SCO, the forums are experiencing an extremely high number of connections, we are actively working on upgrading the servers and should be able to restore some order shortly.
I guess they're upgrading that one to run ISS too?
Actually [IANAL but am studying to become one :], I think article 10 of The European Convention on Human Rights applies better here, the European Court of Human Rights has more power than the UN in these matters.
# Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. this right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information an ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
# The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or the rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
More info here and some judgements and decisions here. Also, I'm not sure, but I think that the European Court of Justice (part of the EU) can use the ECHR treaty in it's rulings.
That's ok, I just did the same with the "dash" suffix
Mainsoft has been a Microsoft partner since 1994, when we first entered a source code licensing agreement with Microsoft. Mainsoft takes Microsoft's and all our customers' security matters seriously, and we recognize the gravity of the situation.
We are cooperating fully with Microsoft and all authorities in their investigation.
We are unable to issue any further statement or answer questions until we have more information.
From Mike Gullard, Chairman of the Board, Mainsoft Corporation
But still, check out their front-page and count how many times the word Linux appears ^_^
Here's a link to the google cache of methlabs.org, in case it gets slashdotted (but then you wouldn't be able to access PeerGuardian_v1.99_pr14.zip from the server, now would you? :)
I know, it's a lame joke.
So we should call it the CAN'T act for short?
Anywhoo, I really fail to see the problem if the amount of spam you see has dropped. Of course there are bandwith issues, but don't you think that with more and more spam being blocked, the spammers revenues will fall? I think we will never completely stop spammers, so the only thing that we can do is stop the spam, which we are doing, and getting better at it all the time.