I use make for a lot more then compiling. In fact, I think I've used it less for compiling tasks then otherwise. Part of the reason, is that I will concider using make for a lot of tasks I want to do. Most programmmers, only think of make when they need to do compiling. For example, my resume is generated from a set of file collections. When I need a particular resume, say one to target a Test Engineering position, I use make to cat the correct set of components, and massage the result. If I don't like the wording somewere, I change the source file. That way all of my resumes will be consistent. I have also used make to do packaging, distribution, exception recovery, installation, process control, testing, and for doing load balanced distributed ( parallel) builds.
The problem with make is that the make config file syntax is so simple(basic) that most programmers miss the power in it. Almost all the standard complaints about make ( including those found in books on make!) are due to programmers not knowing how to make use of that syntax. That, and maintaining the doggystyle thinking needed when creating makefiles, while working on the entire system. This can be seen in the relience on ksh frontends, middles, and even backends.
Very little of what they write will ever see the light of day.
Most software will never see the light of day as its written for in house use. The programmers who write such software are every bit a developer as someone working on a comercial product or an Open Source project.
Other uses will be found for P2P. The public use of the internet is still in its infancy. That most people concider P2P as that thing that is used to share music, is a direct result of the RIAA propaganda campaign. Once people begin to realise that P2P has other uses, they will start using it for other things. I, for one, am working on a MMORG. The client side stuff will be OSS, probably GNU. P2P will have a role. The way I intend to use P2P will not be unique to the Online Game domain. Its Mans nature to find uses for things. P2P will be no exception. Sharing music using P2P might be a passing fad, but P2P itself will not be. That is unless the RIAA, Microsoft, AOL/Time-Warner, and Asscroft have their way.
OSX was mentioned, but as the main discusion centered around intel hardware, your point is mote. One point, if existing wintel is replaced by lintel, then user wishing to introduce Macs would meet less resistence.
This is nothing new. Most of the techniques, talked about, have been used with RADAR for decades. The thing that bats do, is interpret the sonic wavefront. This is accomplished by the structure of the head and ears. They produce subtle phase shifting depending on the direction the waves are coming from. Humans do this also, but not nearly to the degree that bats do it. Its the bats need to manipulate wavefronts that has caused the evolution of the many spectacular head shapes. If a model of one of the simpler bats ( i.e. not a Mexican Freetail) is made that duplicates the affect that a bat has on its call, and place microphones were the eardrums are, a human would still need a lot of training to learn how to interpret the signals. Bats probably have a hardware solution to do some of this interpratation ( just like humans have a partialy hardware solution to the problem of parsing speach phonems). The only cool "bat" thing, the artical talks about, is the dynamic nature of the sound generation. Bats are in effect using sound like hands, to feel. But this is not unique to bats. The gymnatoid eels do something simular with electric signals. They also use the chirp modulation thing. I noticed that the artical does have a link to Waters website. I guess that counters some of the lameness.
The Bill of Rights is only a listing of some Rights. It was added as a guarentee for the Rights listed. It does not grant Rights. In fact, no one can grant Rights. It is a common misconception ( promoted by congress and the media) that Rights are something listed in the US constitution, and if they are not listed there, they are not Rights. This would imply that a government can somehow grant Rights. The only thing a government can do is guarentee that it will not interfre with individuals ability to exercise a subset of Rights. If the framers of the US Bill of Rights knew what we know today about formal systems, they might have been able to create a more systematic approch, with a mechinism for deriving Rights not explicitly stated.
Watts is Watts is Watts is Watts. P = I * E. A loaded 100W PS in the US will use twice the current as a loaded 100W PS in the UK. Don't they teach basic electronics any more?
I did an analysis of the tension way back when Clarks book came out. Hard to imagine that was in 79. I can still visualize buying it, like it happened yesterday. Boy I feel old:( Anyway, you need to balance the force of gravity, with angular momentum. The class of problems this belong to is called differential gravitation. Look for discusions about the analysis of "Tidal Force".
I normaly budget 200W for a PC/wo a monster GPU. If I had modern hardware, I'd be budgeting a lot more, prob'ly in the neighborhood of 400W. I use the highest PC maximum plus uncertainty for budgeting. This is not the same as average PC maximum, but still, 50W/PC is awfull low. Using my method, plus a little uncertainty would result in:
100,000 PC would add less then 0.001 % to the anual CO2 production.
Your an engineer and you know nothing about reliability testing? Thats a scary thought.
we do not know all there is to know about physics or chemistry
We know enough to build a spacecraft that will last 20 years under extreamly harsh conditions. How the fuck do you think NASA manages that? I'll tell you how, because Accelerated Life testing is used extensivly and it works. Thats the facts.
BTW, I have 20 years working with reliability testing of hardware, Dickwad. The last 5 years, I have concentrated on developing software to support Reliability testing. Reliability testing, including accelerated life tesying, is the problem domain I've work with almost my entire carrer. So don't tell me that the techniques I have been using succesfully don't work. A decade from now, stuff I worked on will still be happily sending signals to Earth, while your shit (if indead you are an engineer) will be filling some landfill, or burning down a house. Maybe you ought to go back to flip'n burgers.
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Like SJ in space? Try James Blish's "A Case of Conscience". Its old style SF, short and sweet, and will make you think.
Maybe they know some physics and chemistry. You realy should confine your statments to things you understand. The analysis of the longevity of hardware using accelerated aging is a well understood science. It has been in use for at least 50 years. How do you think NASA manages to build spacecraft that last 20 years in space?
If you had any clue at all regarding the science of testing, you would realise that the other part of your comment is also sophmoric. First, evrytime data is transcribed, it is compramised. Second, data floating around in some RAID array is not read-only, which is concidered a requirment for archiving test data. Third, testing creates a lot of data, data that must be kept for decades. Adding TBs of storage every year, on top of swapping out obsolecent, or malfunctioning storage is not very practical, and untill the last last decade, was not even close to being practical. At some point, in the next couple of years, doing this will become practical. The problem is that the needed storage capacity will have increased.
Data always expands to fill storage capacity.
Besides being a Test Engineer,with an emphasis on software, I am an amature artist. A couple of years ago, I could back-up my entire CG art development directory on a 1G Jazz drive ( I said could, not did. One would have to be a fool to trust Jazz drives for real back-up). Now it takes 5G for my active projects alone. I wonder what my storage requirements are going to be once I start doing animation?
I was watching Sunday morning TV and opened the paper only to see the "Sam Donaldson and George Will Obliteration Ray: A bipatisan solution". It made my day.
Good idea but impractical. Jobs in India can be hard to get. This is especialy true of nuclear engineering. One would be compeating with Indian profesionals for the jobs, and a lot of those guys ( and gals) are realy sharp.
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I need some more coffee too. I read right past it without pause.
Hey, don't confuse us with facts!
There is nothing new under the Sun. This concept, along with several others like it have been around for at least 15 years.
The problem with make is that the make config file syntax is so simple(basic) that most programmers miss the power in it. Almost all the standard complaints about make ( including those found in books on make!) are due to programmers not knowing how to make use of that syntax. That, and maintaining the doggystyle thinking needed when creating makefiles, while working on the entire system. This can be seen in the relience on ksh frontends, middles, and even backends.
or MS Innovations or ...
Why go on, at 500+ posts, no one will ever read it. I would'nt.
Most software will never see the light of day as its written for in house use. The programmers who write such software are every bit a developer as someone working on a comercial product or an Open Source project.
Other uses will be found for P2P. The public use of the internet is still in its infancy. That most people concider P2P as that thing that is used to share music, is a direct result of the RIAA propaganda campaign. Once people begin to realise that P2P has other uses, they will start using it for other things. I, for one, am working on a MMORG. The client side stuff will be OSS, probably GNU. P2P will have a role. The way I intend to use P2P will not be unique to the Online Game domain. Its Mans nature to find uses for things. P2P will be no exception. Sharing music using P2P might be a passing fad, but P2P itself will not be. That is unless the RIAA, Microsoft, AOL/Time-Warner, and Asscroft have their way.
OSX was mentioned, but as the main discusion centered around intel hardware, your point is mote. One point, if existing wintel is replaced by lintel, then user wishing to introduce Macs would meet less resistence.
This is nothing new. Most of the techniques, talked about, have been used with RADAR for decades. The thing that bats do, is interpret the sonic wavefront. This is accomplished by the structure of the head and ears. They produce subtle phase shifting depending on the direction the waves are coming from. Humans do this also, but not nearly to the degree that bats do it. Its the bats need to manipulate wavefronts that has caused the evolution of the many spectacular head shapes. If a model of one of the simpler bats ( i.e. not a Mexican Freetail) is made that duplicates the affect that a bat has on its call, and place microphones were the eardrums are, a human would still need a lot of training to learn how to interpret the signals. Bats probably have a hardware solution to do some of this interpratation ( just like humans have a partialy hardware solution to the problem of parsing speach phonems). The only cool "bat" thing, the artical talks about, is the dynamic nature of the sound generation. Bats are in effect using sound like hands, to feel. But this is not unique to bats. The gymnatoid eels do something simular with electric signals. They also use the chirp modulation thing. I noticed that the artical does have a link to Waters website. I guess that counters some of the lameness.
The Bill of Rights is only a listing of some Rights. It was added as a guarentee for the Rights listed. It does not grant Rights. In fact, no one can grant Rights. It is a common misconception ( promoted by congress and the media) that Rights are something listed in the US constitution, and if they are not listed there, they are not Rights. This would imply that a government can somehow grant Rights. The only thing a government can do is guarentee that it will not interfre with individuals ability to exercise a subset of Rights. If the framers of the US Bill of Rights knew what we know today about formal systems, they might have been able to create a more systematic approch, with a mechinism for deriving Rights not explicitly stated.
Watts is Watts is Watts is Watts. P = I * E. A loaded 100W PS in the US will use twice the current as a loaded 100W PS in the UK. Don't they teach basic electronics any more?
there are many areas
There are a few areas were there exists a propiatary solution that is superior to any OSS solution.
where proprietary products are still far superior
Name any closed source package that is far superior to all OSS equvilents. Can't, do it. Why? 'cause there are none.
I did an analysis of the tension way back when Clarks book came out. Hard to imagine that was in 79. I can still visualize buying it, like it happened yesterday. Boy I feel old :( Anyway, you need to balance the force of gravity, with angular momentum. The class of problems this belong to is called differential gravitation. Look for discusions about the analysis of "Tidal Force".
I normaly budget 200W for a PC /wo a monster GPU. If I had modern hardware, I'd be budgeting a lot more, prob'ly in the neighborhood of 400W. I use the highest PC maximum plus uncertainty for budgeting. This is not the same as average PC maximum, but still, 50W/PC is awfull low. Using my method, plus a little uncertainty would result in:
100,000 PC would add less then 0.001 % to the anual CO2 production.
we do not know all there is to know about physics or chemistry
We know enough to build a spacecraft that will last 20 years under extreamly harsh conditions. How the fuck do you think NASA manages that? I'll tell you how, because Accelerated Life testing is used extensivly and it works. Thats the facts.
BTW, I have 20 years working with reliability testing of hardware, Dickwad. The last 5 years, I have concentrated on developing software to support Reliability testing. Reliability testing, including accelerated life tesying, is the problem domain I've work with almost my entire carrer. So don't tell me that the techniques I have been using succesfully don't work. A decade from now, stuff I worked on will still be happily sending signals to Earth, while your shit (if indead you are an engineer) will be filling some landfill, or burning down a house. Maybe you ought to go back to flip'n burgers.
Like SJ in space? Try James Blish's "A Case of Conscience". Its old style SF, short and sweet, and will make you think.
Then it's prob'ly prob'ly. 'Course, I'm in no shape to be critisizin' anyones spellin'.
Maybe they know some physics and chemistry. You realy should confine your statments to things you understand. The analysis of the longevity of hardware using accelerated aging is a well understood science. It has been in use for at least 50 years. How do you think NASA manages to build spacecraft that last 20 years in space?
If you had any clue at all regarding the science of testing, you would realise that the other part of your comment is also sophmoric. First, evrytime data is transcribed, it is compramised. Second, data floating around in some RAID array is not read-only, which is concidered a requirment for archiving test data. Third, testing creates a lot of data, data that must be kept for decades. Adding TBs of storage every year, on top of swapping out obsolecent, or malfunctioning storage is not very practical, and untill the last last decade, was not even close to being practical. At some point, in the next couple of years, doing this will become practical. The problem is that the needed storage capacity will have increased.
Data always expands to fill storage capacity.
Besides being a Test Engineer,with an emphasis on software, I am an amature artist. A couple of years ago, I could back-up my entire CG art development directory on a 1G Jazz drive ( I said could, not did. One would have to be a fool to trust Jazz drives for real back-up). Now it takes 5G for my active projects alone. I wonder what my storage requirements are going to be once I start doing animation?
Don't know much about HP do you?
I seem to recall that little willy did'nt realy contribute anything. He just sort a looked over Steves shoulder and dreamt of fortune.
I was watching Sunday morning TV and opened the paper only to see the "Sam Donaldson and George Will Obliteration Ray: A bipatisan solution". It made my day.
Maybe I'll checkout Palo Verdes job site directly.
Good idea but impractical. Jobs in India can be hard to get. This is especialy true of nuclear engineering. One would be compeating with Indian profesionals for the jobs, and a lot of those guys ( and gals) are realy sharp.
Who said anything about money? I was talking about jobs. It kinda sucks having knowledge and not being able to use it. Where's the science in that?
Actualy, the last time I checked was Saturday.