Not all religions are Christian
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A tautological argument based upon Christian theology somewhat understood does not exhaust the subject of religious beliefs.
For instance, Judaism embraces the story of the tree of life and the tree of knowledge, while rejecting the notion of "original sin."
I would venture to suggest that post Vatican-II Catholics, who believe that there is a place in Heaven for righteous non-Christians, would not be included in your analysis. As the vast majority of Catholics can be described as post-Vatican-II, I would suggest that your 2-point summary is woefully inadequate.
hmm - well, the 2500, 2600 4000 series routers have been end-of-sale for several years, and some of them are end-of-life. The current models from cisco are the 1700, 2600, and 3700. Another vendor is about to take Cisco to the woodshed when they release their new low-end CPE: Cisco hasn't had any real competition in that space for quite a while, and I would expect things to heat up.
The answer "Because God says so" implies a certain level of intentionality to the events of human existence. "because" or "why not" do not do this. The question of which answer is better than the other boils down to "is life inherently meaningful?" I would be surprised to meet thoughtful athiests who could answer "yes" to that question.
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>Nuclear power would be a great short term stop gap, it's only problem is that it takes a decade to build a reactor.
Only for political reasons, not for technical ones. It would be relatively straightforward to select a standard reactor design which was in the top 10 designs for productivity, and the top two for safety, and say "all reactors will be of this model." At that point, we could pretty much drop them anywhere we wanted (where there is a water source for the steam turbines).
Any given reactor takes a couple of years to actually build, starting from levelling some ground. We could build 100 reactors in 10 years if we wanted to.
I apologize, I wasn't clear in my writing. The amazement I feel is both for the wonderful complexity present in nature, and also for the attempt to understand the watchmaker by looking at the watch. I also understand how a lightbulb works, but the question of why reality would be set up in such a way that it does is left unanswered by an understanding of how. It's the "why" question which leads to faith-based answers. The theistic answer is "because God said so." The atheistic answer is "because."
There's a great quote I saw recently (on the Bablyon 5 DVD) - "faith and reason are the shoes on your feet: you get much further with both than with one"
"Morality" as generally understood means an scheme of absolute truths to which individuals are bound whether they like it or not. "Ethics" are societally created constructs regarding right and wrong, and ethics can be different for different societies.
Morality generally implies absolute truth for all time.
The above statements lead me to say that it is unlikely that there will ever be a successful "atheist morality" - simply put, it would be Chutzpadik for a human-created rule to bind everyone in all times. "atheist ethics" - absolutely: no less than Bertrand Russell walked that path.
The above said, I would like to add that my experience is that I have met many decent and ethical people who are athiests. However, most of these people either had formal religious training as children, or their parents did. I have not met many people who are "3rd generation athiests," so I cannot evaluate whether athiesm has been successful as an ideology for creating a wholesome society.
Personally, I'm a theist (specifically Orthodox Jew). I've found that the arguments for the non-existence of God are no more swaying than the arguments for the non-existence of electrons or quarks. Certainly belief in God is just that:belief. It seems sad, however, to imagine looking out at our beautiful world and see it as nothing more than the result of quamtum fluctuations, all sound and fury signifying nothing. In my case, my belief in God has led me to be a better person than I was before, and it has affected other people in the same way.
I have a 2000 Saturn SL2, and I get somewhere between 25-30 mpg regularly. How in the world are you getting > 40? If you've got any suggestions, I'd love to hear them...
Wow - you actually play traveller? I just ran across my dog-eared, thoroughly beatenup copy ofthe rulebook... You don't live near Washington DC, do you?
As discussed on the NANOG-list (http://www.nanog.org), and admitted by Cisco, the MD5 hash is calculated BEFORE determining whether the source IP or TCP window checks are performed. Thus, instead of just resetting a session, you can wipe out a whole router just by pointing MD5 garbage at an IP address which is listening for it. A typical core router (7500/GSR/etc) can generally accept about 10mbps or so of MD5. It's not that hard to generate that much traffic w/zombies...
=== The Hebrew that is being spoken in Israel today is *not* the same as the Hebrew that the Bible was written in. It's pretty close, but even in the few decades since its revival, it has started to drift. ===
I am no expert on Greek, and thus can't comment at length on the relationship of modern to ancient greek.
However, the Hebrew analogy you're using is not correct. Any scholar of Hebrew can point to a definite linguistic periods, and can show the steady evolution of the the language from paleo-Hebrew to the language of today.
an example is the Hebrew of the midieval Paytanim (poets) is almost incomprehensible except to those who study the Hebrew of that period. The modern, spoken Hebrew of the state of Israel is strongly influenced by the Hebrew of the Mishnaic period - roughly 50 CE - 200 CE.
The Bible itself was composed over a long enough period that linguistic drift is evident there as well. It is interesting to note that the written and chanted versions of the Bible are different in Hebrew (!) in a non-trivial number of places, and that shows how the usage (this was before there was formal grammar) changed over the 1000 years between original composition and Talmudic exegisis.
The Bible as most people read it is translated. However, the source language is most certainly NOT dead. The majority of the Jewish bible (the "old" testament to many Christians) is in Hebrew, with a smattering of Aramaic. Hebrew is the spoken language of a large number of Israelis, and a huge number of Jews and Christians have reading knowledge of it. Aramaic is also the language of the Talmud, and multiple millions of people study the Talmud in the original Aramaic each week.
The Christian bible is a mix of Aramaic and Greek. Greek is the language of (duh) Greece, and Aramaic is as above.
In addition, Aramaic is spoken by various middle-eastern Christian sects, and I heard a story on NPR about Aramaic masses in Detroit.
So please, spare us any notions that the Bible is a construct in a dead language.
Whether or not one chooses to practice the lessons taught in the Bible is clearly a matter of personal conscience. Whether one accepts any given story or episode in it as literally true or as an allegory likewise is a personal issue. (I find very amusing those people who take English translations of the Bible "literally")
What meanings of the word "crack" are legitimate? I suspect that any company removing copy protection itself would label it a "fix" or "upgrade," rather than a "crack." Again, the plain meaning here is that people were attempting to download something which they knew was not legit. That reduces my sympathy for them a great deal.
2_2_Unreal Tournament 2004 ALL VERSIONS KeyGen Crack.exe
I find it hard to believe that someone would download a file from a free service which includes the word "crack" in the filename, and believe that said behavior is legal. The keys are OBVIOUSLY a protection mechanism, and a "cracked key generator" is OBVIOUSLY a mechanism for getting around the copy protection.
If I sell a white powder labeled "cocain", and when people open it, the powder disintegrates, and they're left with a note which says "don't do drugs" I think that the local authorities would be pretty thrilled, no?
She wasn't quite as stupid as you might think: back in the day (late 80s/early 90s for you whippersnappers) campuses did have Ethernet networks which were NOT internet connected. To get to the Internet, you had to basically open a session to a bastion host which WAS connected. The networks were used for distribution of files inside the campus.
I distinctly remember this being the setup at the University of Utah in 90/91...
Personally, I prefer shell scripts due to their ease and speed - most of my scripting is of the "I have N tons of data, find some piece of information & correlation" type. If I'm automating tasks, I'll use a shell script to tie together a series of perl & expect scripts...
I know a lot of offices which use old or unsupported software, and are stuck with Win 9x for just that reason. Being able to upgrade to Linux, and still use that app when necessary would be a huge benefit.
but even good WEP only matters if you have something to protect: I'm running a public-access internet WISP for a condo building, where users don't have to pay (it's in their condo fees). What exactly am I protecting if I turn on WEP and make it harder for users to get onto the network? Changing keys regularly becomes a huge headache... -David Barak
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A tautological argument based upon Christian theology somewhat understood does not exhaust the subject of religious beliefs.
For instance, Judaism embraces the story of the tree of life and the tree of knowledge, while rejecting the notion of "original sin."
I would venture to suggest that post Vatican-II Catholics, who believe that there is a place in Heaven for righteous non-Christians, would not be included in your analysis. As the vast majority of Catholics can be described as post-Vatican-II, I would suggest that your 2-point summary is woefully inadequate.
Be well,
>Cisco, when motivated, can get things done right in the first release.
The key here is "when motivated" which seems to coincide with the output of rand(x)
hmm - well, the 2500, 2600 4000 series routers have been end-of-sale for several years, and some of them are end-of-life. The current models from cisco are the 1700, 2600, and 3700. Another vendor is about to take Cisco to the woodshed when they release their new low-end CPE: Cisco hasn't had any real competition in that space for quite a while, and I would expect things to heat up.
The answer "Because God says so" implies a certain level of intentionality to the events of human existence. "because" or "why not" do not do this. The question of which answer is better than the other boils down to "is life inherently meaningful?" I would be surprised to meet thoughtful athiests who could answer "yes" to that question.
>Nuclear power would be a great short term stop gap, it's only problem is that it takes a decade to build a reactor.
Only for political reasons, not for technical ones. It would be relatively straightforward to select a standard reactor design which was in the top 10 designs for productivity, and the top two for safety, and say "all reactors will be of this model." At that point, we could pretty much drop them anywhere we wanted (where there is a water source for the steam turbines).
Any given reactor takes a couple of years to actually build, starting from levelling some ground. We could build 100 reactors in 10 years if we wanted to.
would you mind posting the code? that sounds entertaining :)
I apologize, I wasn't clear in my writing. The amazement I feel is both for the wonderful complexity present in nature, and also for the attempt to understand the watchmaker by looking at the watch. I also understand how a lightbulb works, but the question of why reality would be set up in such a way that it does is left unanswered by an understanding of how. It's the "why" question which leads to faith-based answers. The theistic answer is "because God said so." The atheistic answer is "because."
There's a great quote I saw recently (on the Bablyon 5 DVD) - "faith and reason are the shoes on your feet: you get much further with both than with one"
"Morality" as generally understood means an scheme of absolute truths to which individuals are bound whether they like it or not. "Ethics" are societally created constructs regarding right and wrong, and ethics can be different for different societies.
Morality generally implies absolute truth for all time.
The above statements lead me to say that it is unlikely that there will ever be a successful "atheist morality" - simply put, it would be Chutzpadik for a human-created rule to bind everyone in all times. "atheist ethics" - absolutely: no less than Bertrand Russell walked that path.
The above said, I would like to add that my experience is that I have met many decent and ethical people who are athiests. However, most of these people either had formal religious training as children, or their parents did. I have not met many people who are "3rd generation athiests," so I cannot evaluate whether athiesm has been successful as an ideology for creating a wholesome society.
Personally, I'm a theist (specifically Orthodox Jew). I've found that the arguments for the non-existence of God are no more swaying than the arguments for the non-existence of electrons or quarks. Certainly belief in God is just that:belief. It seems sad, however, to imagine looking out at our beautiful world and see it as nothing more than the result of quamtum fluctuations, all sound and fury signifying nothing. In my case, my belief in God has led me to be a better person than I was before, and it has affected other people in the same way.
Be well,
I have a 2000 Saturn SL2, and I get somewhere between 25-30 mpg regularly. How in the world are you getting > 40? If you've got any suggestions, I'd love to hear them...
There are two halves to the market:
1) people who don't mind some DRM, or some vendor-lock-in, as long as the product is high-quality and not obnoxious.
2) people who can't stand ANY DRM or lock-in.
Apple is serving niche #1 quite well, and #2 is not being adequately served by a commercial offering. What does Sony do? they go after #1...
sigh.
Wow - you actually play traveller? I just ran across my dog-eared, thoroughly beatenup copy ofthe rulebook... You don't live near Washington DC, do you?
As discussed on the NANOG-list (http://www.nanog.org), and admitted by Cisco, the MD5 hash is calculated BEFORE determining whether the source IP or TCP window checks are performed. Thus, instead of just resetting a session, you can wipe out a whole router just by pointing MD5 garbage at an IP address which is listening for it. A typical core router (7500/GSR/etc) can generally accept about 10mbps or so of MD5. It's not that hard to generate that much traffic w/zombies...
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The Hebrew that is being spoken in Israel today is *not* the same as the Hebrew that the Bible was written in. It's pretty close, but even in the few decades since its revival, it has started to drift.
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I am no expert on Greek, and thus can't comment at length on the relationship of modern to ancient greek.
However, the Hebrew analogy you're using is not correct. Any scholar of Hebrew can point to a definite linguistic periods, and can show the steady evolution of the the language from paleo-Hebrew to the language of today.
an example is the Hebrew of the midieval Paytanim (poets) is almost incomprehensible except to those who study the Hebrew of that period. The modern, spoken Hebrew of the state of Israel is strongly influenced by the Hebrew of the Mishnaic period - roughly 50 CE - 200 CE.
The Bible itself was composed over a long enough period that linguistic drift is evident there as well. It is interesting to note that the written and chanted versions of the Bible are different in Hebrew (!) in a non-trivial number of places, and that shows how the usage (this was before there was formal grammar) changed over the 1000 years between original composition and Talmudic exegisis.
Ahem!
The Bible as most people read it is translated. However, the source language is most certainly NOT dead. The majority of the Jewish bible (the "old" testament to many Christians) is in Hebrew, with a smattering of Aramaic. Hebrew is the spoken language of a large number of Israelis, and a huge number of Jews and Christians have reading knowledge of it. Aramaic is also the language of the Talmud, and multiple millions of people study the Talmud in the original Aramaic each week.
The Christian bible is a mix of Aramaic and Greek. Greek is the language of (duh) Greece, and Aramaic is as above.
In addition, Aramaic is spoken by various middle-eastern Christian sects, and I heard a story on NPR about Aramaic masses in Detroit.
So please, spare us any notions that the Bible is a construct in a dead language.
Whether or not one chooses to practice the lessons taught in the Bible is clearly a matter of personal conscience. Whether one accepts any given story or episode in it as literally true or as an allegory likewise is a personal issue. (I find very amusing those people who take English translations of the Bible "literally")
-David Barak
-Fully RFC 1925 Compliant-
What meanings of the word "crack" are legitimate? I suspect that any company removing copy protection itself would label it a "fix" or "upgrade," rather than a "crack." Again, the plain meaning here is that people were attempting to download something which they knew was not legit. That reduces my sympathy for them a great deal.
One of the typical filenames was:
2_2_Unreal Tournament 2004 ALL VERSIONS KeyGen Crack.exe
I find it hard to believe that someone would download a file from a free service which includes the word "crack" in the filename, and believe that said behavior is legal. The keys are OBVIOUSLY a protection mechanism, and a "cracked key generator" is OBVIOUSLY a mechanism for getting around the copy protection.
YMMV
I'm not sure about that -
If I sell a white powder labeled "cocain", and when people open it, the powder disintegrates, and they're left with a note which says "don't do drugs" I think that the local authorities would be pretty thrilled, no?
She wasn't quite as stupid as you might think: back in the day (late 80s/early 90s for you whippersnappers) campuses did have Ethernet networks which were NOT internet connected. To get to the Internet, you had to basically open a session to a bastion host which WAS connected. The networks were used for distribution of files inside the campus.
I distinctly remember this being the setup at the University of Utah in 90/91...
"nu" in both Hebrew and Yiddish is used as a prompt: "so, nu, hurry up!" "nu, what did she say?"
Not a bad idea, and it's nice to see other Niven fen out there :)
Personally, I prefer shell scripts due to their ease and speed - most of my scripting is of the "I have N tons of data, find some piece of information & correlation" type. If I'm automating tasks, I'll use a shell script to tie together a series of perl & expect scripts...
What, did SCO get to them or something?
-David Barak
Compatability with older applications, of course!
I know a lot of offices which use old or unsupported software, and are stuck with Win 9x for just that reason. Being able to upgrade to Linux, and still use that app when necessary would be a huge benefit.
-David Barak
Exactly. The overhead you spend on IPSec is probably about what you'd spend on WEP, and the difference is that IPSec actually works... :)
-David Barak
but even good WEP only matters if you have something to protect: I'm running a public-access internet WISP for a condo building, where users don't have to pay (it's in their condo fees). What exactly am I protecting if I turn on WEP and make it harder for users to get onto the network? Changing keys regularly becomes a huge headache...
-David Barak