Would you rather the US have:
a) Jobs where things like iPods and iPhones are conceived from ingenuity, designed, and perfected (ie, the way things are now) OR
b) Jobs where things like iPods and iPhones are assembled
These choices aren't mutually exclusive. We aren't sending our manufacturing to China in order to gain the ability to design products.
So I think I'll go with c.
c) Jobs where things like iPods are conceived, AND jobs where we manufacture these products.
Because lets face it, we have people for both positions.
Well, looks like they arrested two others. Although the police don't really think these other 2 people
had anything to do with it. But unless he did have other people helping him, I'm not really sure how
he could have murdered her if she had gone shopping after she left his house. Maybe the kids have said
something about their father leaving the house for a bit that hasn't been released to the public yet?
Every Maxtor I have ever owned has failed. Nearly every Maxtor that my friends have owned has failed on them as well.
I am currently working at a local computer shop, we see far more dead maxtors than any other drive. We also only sell Seagate and Western Digital. I've seen dead drives from other brands (including Seagate and Western Digital), but not nearly as many as I have seen from Maxtor. Certainly my experience is anecdotal as well, however, I doubt we're the only ones so it does make me wonder.
Because the carriage full of meat and seafood and the trailer full of electronic gear are stolen where as music and movies are copied.
This is the important disctinction here. Potentially depriving a company of profit is apparently a far more heinous crime than actually depriving a company of profit, and is therefore worthy of a tax on media such as DVD-R's and flash to compensate such vicious activities.
Macross 2 is terrible. It was just to cash in on a franchise, and it disregarded a lot of previous established story. Except for the character designs (and NOT the mecha designs), absolutely none of the original creators of Macross had anything to do with Macross 2. In fact, the original creator of Macross was against Macross 2. Macross 2 was such a flop and made such huge changes to the story it is officially an "alternate timeline".
Unfortunately, the original creator of Macross had his hand in Macross Zero and Macross7, which are also terrible.
Anyway, my nomination for space anime movie is
Gundam: Char's Counterattack
Almost the entire movie takes place and in space, and IMHO, it's just a truly great movie. It was the first Gundam I ever saw (so I didn't know any of the previous story), and even then I felt it was one of the best movies I've ever seen.
I think that Magnetic Rose definitely deserves a nomination. I thought it was brilliant.
1) I don't think Slackware was meant to be an "easy" distribution. Why did you select that particular distribution?
2) You installed rpms? In slackware? Of course you had problems. Slackware doesn't support rpm's natively. Slackware supports.tgz, which I believe still (and intentionally) don't have dependency checking. So the MySQL rpm(s) wanted the things that mysql depends on (as it should), but those dependencies hadn't been installed in rpm format so it didn't think the dependencies were there.
3) I recall that the slackware devs were dropping gnome from the main distribution (or something along those lines). Even if they hadn't dropped gnome yet, I believe they're still planning to because they were having some trouble with gnome.
So I would expect the gnome experience under slackware would be less than seamless.
I'm not pointing this out because I'm yet another GNU/Linux zealot. I'm pointing it out because I would've expected you to have these problems with the choices you made. I think it's very good to hear stories about people having trouble with Linux to show us that Linux isn't perfect in every way, because we can fix the weaknesses that we know about. Knowing about such issues also keep us grounded with the realities of Linux; however, I don't think your particular anecdote suggests much one way or the other.
It was clearly an issue with ATI's drivers. I got less than half the performance under Linux that I got in Windows.
I'm guessing you didn't realize I was talking about using the radeon 9800 pro under Linux, or you haven't been using ATI under Linux for very long. I don't know the current situation but last time I used ATI (last October or November), the drivers were a joke. Like I said, less than half the performance of Windows.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with my configuration. Every other person I've met (at least during that time) had the same horrible performance using an ATI card with the fglrx drivers.
Even if ATI has improved the performance of their fglrx drivers, have they added things like render acceleration? It's nice when effects like translucent windows run perfectly smooth in Xorg 6.8.
Maybe nvidia was unstable using the proprietary drivers a long time ago. However, it certainly isn't true now.
My desktop has a nvidia geforce 6800GT 256. It's been nothing but stable. My old card was a Radeon 9800 pro. I didn't have stability issues with my old card, but 3d performance was abysmal. Thus I want nvidia.
I'm somewhat in the market for a laptop, and I've been looking for this exact combination of specs.
Mostly I want an amd64 proc with nvidia graphics (something around the performance of a 6600, give or take). I can live without the dvd burner.
Does anyone know if HP offers anything like this? Does anyone else for that matter? I've looked but I haven't found anything suitable as of yet. Everything with an amd64 proc I find is using some radeon mobility or an ancient nvidia graphics chipset.
You can blame SWT for that. Especially now that Java 1.5 is around, SWT is a hell of a lot slower than Swing.
Yes, this is exactly why. Though I think it's more accurate to say that using SWT outside of Windows is slow. My understanding is that SWT is optimized for Windows and nothing else. The speed difference between Eclipse and other SWT apps on Linux and Windows is pretty huge.
Is this also true when comparing SWT apps on Windows and OS X (and other OS's)?
I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. NGPT has not been rolled into the official kernel, because NPTL, which is 4 times faster than NGPT (and thus 8 times faster than the old LinuxThreads), has been used instead.
NPTL has been found in Linux 2.6 since 2.6.0 (in fact, I believe it was in 2.5 for a while too). You also need a somewhat recent release of glibc.
I brought up NGPT because I think it was the implementation used in the IBM benchmarks found in the link of the parent of this thread. So I thought it might be useful to point out that the threading implementation that did find its way into the mainline kernel is quite a bit faster than the IBM implementation used in the benchmark.
LinuxThreads is the old implementation still used in vanilla 2.4. It wasn't entirely POSIX compliant I believe (but very close).
IBM worked on their own threading implementation for linux (NGPT) that was 2 times the speed of LinuxThreads. Then NPTL was developed which was 4 times the speed of IBM's implementation.
I believe the link you provide are the benchmarks for IBM's implemenation (but not sure, I merely skimmed through).
Anyway, here are some good links on NPTL and NGPT: http://kerneltrap.org/node/429?PHPSESSID=d1 755784e 3d90d637b774f233d5b8f42 http://kerneltrap.org/nod e/422
You can get patches for Linux 2.4 to get SATA RAID support for the ICH5R chipset (which is how I'm using my controller under linux right now). Linux 2.6 will support this controller under device mapper. Though as far as I can tell, there's no support for it just yet under Linux 2.6.
Linux 2.6 also doesn't support many or all ataraid configurations.
So does suse 9.1 ship with a bunch of ataraid drivers for device mapper or does suse 9.1 give you a 2.4 kernel if it sees you have ataraid? Or is it just bad luck if you have an ataraid controller?
What happens if/when sun's looking glass matures and starts being shipped on Walmart systems? Viewing that side by side with xp makes xp seem less like the luxury option, doesn't it?
However, I'm very happy JDS is shipping on these systems.
Usuaully mugging isn't fun, but it was for me once:
Funny you should mention that. Happened to me once except it was a stungun. I was on my way to school in San Francisco, and I was waiting for a bus at the forest hill station. I was running late and I saw 2 individuals looking at me. I had the feeling they were staking me out. So I went to sit down, and a minute later one sits directly across me and the other to my right.
The one on my right says "Alright, I want you to give me everything in yo pockets, don't even try to move, I got da most hardest most fastest most piercing punch". When he finishes, the one directly across from me says "Gimme yo pager!". This is because I carried my stungun in my pocket as if it were a pager. Once he said this I silently said "thank you" and pulled it out and pushed the button. All I had to do was flash it in the air, and somehow they were 10 feet away from me crapping their pants.
After that, I decided to go inside the station, and wait for the bus. Just to make sure they didn't come up behind me while I wasn't paying attention. Some of their friends showed up, and none of them got on any of the buses that went by. And I saw them looking at me through the glass doors. So I just took the subway to castro station, and took a bus from there to school. I was really late, I had a great excuse/story.
3rd day of my 11th grade year. That stungun saved me once more, but that person ended up going to juvi for attempted murder so I never saw him again the rest of the time I was at that school.
It's the Asus P4C800-E deluxe using intel's ICH5R sata raid controller. You are correct in that it's not actually hardware RAID, it is software RAID. There is a driver avaiable for 2.4 that uses ataraid (although the drives themselves are seen as scsi devices ironically). The driver has a few issues with it. There is also an updated driver that is probably better but I haven't had the time to try it yet. I haven't had any data loss on the old driver yet so I'm guessing this new driver is around as "safe" as the old driver.
http://audioseek.net/~hiryu/2.4.25-libata1-iswra id.patch.gz You'll also need the libata patch. I don't have a link on hand for libata but you can google for it.
The thing I'm really looking for is support for this RAID controller under 2.6. When it happens, it will use "device mapper". If someone could provide greater detail on that, I'd be thankful.
Isn't the x86 architecture now RISC based?
So is this off or did SCO not do their homework again?
According to "Linux Assembly Language Programming", the pentium Pro and pentium II are completely RISC.
Here's a quote:
Their names notwithstanding, the Pentium II and Pentium Pro have gone over to a totally RISC architecture. The instruction set used internally is a pure RISC instruction set. Traditional x86 instructions are converted internally to RISC instructions before they are executed.
Here's another interesting quote:
Although CISC instructions are allowed on a Pentium, it works faster if programmed using a RISC-like subset of the total instruction set.
The pentium pro and pentium II were both available in the 90's.
Good choice. I have the Asus P4C800-E deluxe.
Maybe norton is the better software. I really don't know much, I'm used to this open source stuff where worms and viruses aren't really a consideration.
It's probably because norton is slower (maybe it's more thurough?) and because of your compressed files.
Searching for viruses on my 2.8GHz SATA 150 through less than 30GB of data on a RAID 0 drive takes HOURS.
Sounds like you have an i875 based motherboard like me. On my 3.2 ghz SATA 150 on less than 50 gigs of data, it takes about 10-15 minutes to scan everything for viruses (hey, I need windows for games and most of mine don't run at all with winex!). I use PC-illin (or something like that) which comes on my motherboard's driver CD. Maybe your virus scanner is slower than it needs to be? But I don't think 1/7 more Mhz would make things that much faster.
Did anyone else notice that the web was much slower last night? Maybe it was just my isp but I predicted it might be a new worm for windows.
On a totally unrelated note: Anyone know if someone is working on a driver for the SATA ICH5R (ICH5 with raid) SATA controller for linux? Right now I have to use a standard ATA drive.
I'll be 25 this month and most of the people I went to school with preferred printing. At least at my school, computers weren't too big and there was no internet. Most of the students had no internet at home either (most of the people at the school were from poor families). So at least with my peers and I, computers had absolutely nothing to do with our hate of cursive. I think handwriting is pushed on to students too much. It made us all so sick of it to the point that if a teacher told us we had to use cursive for a paper, we'd all groan.
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Would you rather the US have:
a) Jobs where things like iPods and iPhones are conceived from ingenuity, designed, and perfected (ie, the way things are now) OR
b) Jobs where things like iPods and iPhones are assembled
These choices aren't mutually exclusive. We aren't sending our manufacturing to China in order to gain the ability to design products.
So I think I'll go with c.
c) Jobs where things like iPods are conceived, AND jobs where we manufacture these products.
Because lets face it, we have people for both positions.
Unless it was a crime of passion, and he was hoping to cover it up after the fact.
Well, looks like they arrested two others. Although the police don't really think these other 2 people had anything to do with it. But unless he did have other people helping him, I'm not really sure how he could have murdered her if she had gone shopping after she left his house. Maybe the kids have said something about their father leaving the house for a bit that hasn't been released to the public yet?
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http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/loca
I can't tell if you're serious or going for a funny moderation. Can you provide any links?
Last I heard, Hans said reiser4 was mostly safe for home systems, but not quite read for production/server systems.
He said something along those lines, anyway.
Why did you try an experimental filesystem on a mission critical system? Let alone one with 1Tb of data.
With that in mind, I hope he didn't do it, and I really hope his (estranged) wife is ok.
I've had similar experience as well.
Every Maxtor I have ever owned has failed. Nearly every Maxtor that my friends have owned has failed on them as well.
I am currently working at a local computer shop, we see far more dead maxtors than any other drive. We also only sell Seagate and Western Digital. I've seen dead drives from other brands (including Seagate and Western Digital), but not nearly as many as I have seen from Maxtor. Certainly my experience is anecdotal as well, however, I doubt we're the only ones so it does make me wonder.
Because the carriage full of meat and seafood and the trailer full of electronic gear are stolen where as music and movies are copied.
This is the important disctinction here. Potentially depriving a company of profit is apparently a far more heinous crime than
actually depriving a company of profit, and is therefore worthy of a tax on media such as DVD-R's and flash to compensate such
vicious activities.
Macross 2 is terrible. It was just to cash in on a franchise, and it disregarded a lot of previous established story. Except for the character designs (and NOT the mecha designs), absolutely none of the original creators of Macross had anything to do with Macross 2. In fact, the original creator of Macross was against Macross 2. Macross 2 was such a flop and made such huge changes to the story it is officially an "alternate timeline".
Unfortunately, the original creator of Macross had his hand in Macross Zero and Macross7, which are also terrible.
Anyway, my nomination for space anime movie is
Gundam: Char's Counterattack
Almost the entire movie takes place and in space, and IMHO, it's just a truly great movie. It was the first Gundam I ever saw (so I didn't know any of the previous story), and even then I felt it was one of the best movies I've ever seen.
I think that Magnetic Rose definitely deserves a nomination. I thought it was brilliant.
Some oddities I'd like to point out:
.tgz, which I believe still (and intentionally) don't have dependency checking. So the MySQL rpm(s) wanted the things that mysql depends on (as it should), but those dependencies hadn't been installed in rpm format so it didn't think the dependencies were there.
1) I don't think Slackware was meant to be an "easy" distribution. Why did you select that particular distribution?
2) You installed rpms? In slackware? Of course you had problems. Slackware doesn't support rpm's natively. Slackware supports
3) I recall that the slackware devs were dropping gnome from the main distribution (or something along those lines). Even if they hadn't dropped gnome yet, I believe they're still planning to because they were having some trouble with gnome. So I would expect the gnome experience under slackware would be less than seamless.
I'm not pointing this out because I'm yet another GNU/Linux zealot. I'm pointing it out because I would've expected you to have these problems with the choices you made. I think it's very good to hear stories about people having trouble with Linux to show us that Linux isn't perfect in every way, because we can fix the weaknesses that we know about. Knowing about such issues also keep us grounded with the realities of Linux; however, I don't think your particular anecdote suggests much one way or the other.
It was clearly an issue with ATI's drivers. I got less than half the performance under Linux that I got in Windows.
I'm guessing you didn't realize I was talking about using the radeon 9800 pro under Linux, or you haven't been using ATI under Linux for very long. I don't know the current situation but last time I used ATI (last October or November), the drivers were a joke. Like I said, less than half the performance of Windows.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with my configuration. Every other person I've met (at least during that time) had the same horrible performance using an ATI card with the fglrx drivers.
Even if ATI has improved the performance of their fglrx drivers, have they added things like render acceleration? It's nice when effects like translucent windows run perfectly smooth in Xorg 6.8.
Maybe nvidia was unstable using the proprietary drivers a long time ago. However, it certainly isn't true now.
My desktop has a nvidia geforce 6800GT 256. It's been nothing but stable. My old card was a Radeon 9800 pro. I didn't have stability issues with my old card, but 3d performance was abysmal. Thus I want nvidia.
I'm glad you brought this up.
I'm somewhat in the market for a laptop, and I've been looking for this exact combination of specs.
Mostly I want an amd64 proc with nvidia graphics (something around the performance of a 6600, give or take). I can live without the dvd burner.
Does anyone know if HP offers anything like this? Does anyone else for that matter? I've looked but I haven't found anything suitable as of yet. Everything with an amd64 proc I find is using some radeon mobility or an ancient nvidia graphics chipset.
Thanks.
You can blame SWT for that. Especially now that Java 1.5 is around, SWT is a hell of a lot slower than Swing.
Yes, this is exactly why. Though I think it's more accurate to say that using SWT outside of Windows is slow. My understanding is that SWT is optimized for Windows and nothing else. The speed difference between Eclipse and other SWT apps on Linux and Windows is pretty huge. Is this also true when comparing SWT apps on Windows and OS X (and other OS's)?
Uh, Linux already has NFS..
I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. NGPT has not been rolled into the official kernel, because NPTL, which is 4 times faster than NGPT (and thus 8 times faster than the old LinuxThreads), has been used instead.
NPTL has been found in Linux 2.6 since 2.6.0 (in fact, I believe it was in 2.5 for a while too). You also need a somewhat recent release of glibc.
I brought up NGPT because I think it was the implementation used in the IBM benchmarks found in the link of the parent of this thread. So I thought it might be useful to point out that the threading implementation that did find its way into the mainline kernel is quite a bit faster than the IBM implementation used in the benchmark.
LinuxThreads is the old implementation still used in vanilla 2.4. It wasn't entirely POSIX compliant I believe (but very close).
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IBM worked on their own threading implementation for linux (NGPT) that was 2 times the speed of LinuxThreads. Then NPTL was developed which was 4 times the speed of IBM's implementation.
I believe the link you provide are the benchmarks for IBM's implemenation (but not sure, I merely skimmed through).
Anyway, here are some good links on NPTL and NGPT:
http://kerneltrap.org/node/429?PHPSESSID=d
http://kerneltrap.org/no
You can get patches for Linux 2.4 to get SATA RAID support for the ICH5R chipset (which is how I'm using my controller under linux right now). Linux 2.6 will support this controller under device mapper. Though as far as I can tell, there's no support for it just yet under Linux 2.6.
Linux 2.6 also doesn't support many or all ataraid configurations.
So does suse 9.1 ship with a bunch of ataraid drivers for device mapper or does suse 9.1 give you a 2.4 kernel if it sees you have ataraid?
Or is it just bad luck if you have an ataraid controller?
Does anyone know?
What happens if/when sun's looking glass matures and starts being shipped on Walmart systems? Viewing that side by side with xp makes xp seem less like the luxury option, doesn't it?
However, I'm very happy JDS is shipping on these systems.
Usuaully mugging isn't fun, but it was for me once:
Funny you should mention that. Happened to me once except it was a stungun. I was on my way to school in San Francisco, and I was waiting for a bus at the forest hill station. I was running late and I saw 2 individuals looking at me. I had the feeling they were staking me out. So I went to sit down, and a minute later one sits directly across me and the other to my right.
The one on my right says "Alright, I want you to give me everything in yo pockets, don't even try to move, I got da most hardest most fastest most piercing punch". When he finishes, the one directly across from me says "Gimme yo pager!". This is because I carried my stungun in my pocket as if it were a pager. Once he said this I silently said "thank you" and pulled it out and pushed the button. All I had to do was flash it in the air, and somehow they were 10 feet away from me crapping their pants.
After that, I decided to go inside the station, and wait for the bus. Just to make sure they didn't come up behind me while I wasn't paying attention. Some of their friends showed up, and none of them got on any of the buses that went by. And I saw them looking at me through the glass doors. So I just took the subway to castro station, and took a bus from there to school. I was really late, I had a great excuse/story.
3rd day of my 11th grade year. That stungun saved me once more, but that person ended up going to juvi for attempted murder so I never saw him again the rest of the time I was at that school.
I also have an asus board with SATA raid.
a id .patch.gz
It's the Asus P4C800-E deluxe using intel's ICH5R sata raid controller. You are correct in that it's not actually hardware RAID, it is software RAID. There is a driver avaiable for 2.4 that uses ataraid (although the drives themselves are seen as scsi devices ironically). The driver has a few issues with it. There is also an updated driver that is probably better but I haven't had the time to try it yet. I haven't had any data loss on the old driver yet so I'm guessing this new driver is around as "safe" as the old driver.
http://audioseek.net/~hiryu/2.4.25-libata1-iswr
You'll also need the libata patch. I don't have a link on hand for libata but you can google for it.
The thing I'm really looking for is support for this RAID controller under 2.6. When it happens, it will use "device mapper". If someone could provide greater detail on that, I'd be thankful.
Isn't the x86 architecture now RISC based? So is this off or did SCO not do their homework again? According to "Linux Assembly Language Programming", the pentium Pro and pentium II are completely RISC. Here's a quote: Their names notwithstanding, the Pentium II and Pentium Pro have gone over to a totally RISC architecture. The instruction set used internally is a pure RISC instruction set. Traditional x86 instructions are converted internally to RISC instructions before they are executed. Here's another interesting quote: Although CISC instructions are allowed on a Pentium, it works faster if programmed using a RISC-like subset of the total instruction set. The pentium pro and pentium II were both available in the 90's.
Now we know who "Sir NotAppearingInThisFilm" was.
Good choice. I have the Asus P4C800-E deluxe. Maybe norton is the better software. I really don't know much, I'm used to this open source stuff where worms and viruses aren't really a consideration. It's probably because norton is slower (maybe it's more thurough?) and because of your compressed files.
Searching for viruses on my 2.8GHz SATA 150 through less than 30GB of data on a RAID 0 drive takes HOURS.
Sounds like you have an i875 based motherboard like me. On my 3.2 ghz SATA 150 on less than 50 gigs of data, it takes about 10-15 minutes to scan everything for viruses (hey, I need windows for games and most of mine don't run at all with winex!). I use PC-illin (or something like that) which comes on my motherboard's driver CD. Maybe your virus scanner is slower than it needs to be? But I don't think 1/7 more Mhz would make things that much faster.
Did anyone else notice that the web was much slower last night? Maybe it was just my isp but I predicted it might be a new worm for windows.
On a totally unrelated note: Anyone know if someone is working on a driver for the SATA ICH5R (ICH5 with raid) SATA controller for linux? Right now I have to use a standard ATA drive.
I'll be 25 this month and most of the people I went to school with preferred printing. At least at my school, computers weren't too big and there was no internet. Most of the students had no internet at home either (most of the people at the school were from poor families). So at least with my peers and I, computers had absolutely nothing to do with our hate of cursive. I think handwriting is pushed on to students too much. It made us all so sick of it to the point that if a teacher told us we had to use cursive for a paper, we'd all groan.