My parents are American and live in the states and their taxes at 10% higher on average then mine. Sales taxes are the same and fuel is cheaper in Canada. We pay for all our "socialist" programs and manage not to tax the hell out of our people and go into masive debt like your country. You Don't have a figging clue what the hell your talking about.
Well we do have that in place. Problem is the smtp servers don't check the dns record. Mail servers for a domain are recorded we just have to start rejecting the ones not in the DNS record. Then that will force ISPs to porperly record their nodes in the DNS record. Looks like this would be simple, but it requires people to cooperate. That is easy to do if the big ISP's get on the bandwagon.
It still blows me away they allow pantents like that. I better go out and patent the 1-word-order. You know the system were instead of calling 1800 numbers and ordering product through a lengthy process all u have to do is phone the number say one word and your order is on its way.
But u can't do that in the normal world. Because the order system can not be patented. I can not believe the EU also gave them a patent on this. I thought they were smarter then that.
Just because a patent was issues does not mean someone ownes it. The patent office obviously makes a lot of mistakes and it is up to us to take the offending patent up in court.
There is already scam artists calling numbers out of the phone books. Using names within sounding official and asking for credit card numbers to settle file copyright infringment.
Do not settle with anyone over the phone be very careful you will want to see documents.
Ok... Your delusional that is clear. Look IP law is fine for commercial. But all Patents, Copyrights and so forth should not apply to personal non-profit. Simple as that. Soon as money or taking credit for something not yours comes into play then IP should mean something but all the laws should be lifted for when money is not involved. Period. Making it illegal to share ideas is the thing that stifles innovation. This is why the current lawmakers and judges consider these factors closely when looking at cases in this regard. If no one profits or no one suffers a loss of profit, then it should not be a problem.
A patent on Internet shopping was clearly patented because no one else bothered to do it. It does not follow regulations on patents. Can't believe that a patent board thought this idea was new. The idea itself is not new at all. I know of several online shopping systems which have were created prior to the web.
People seem to forget the BBS order doors from the early 90's predate this patent. The US patent office is clearly brain dead.
hahaha.. no the beetle..the typo probably threw you off..;) the first post was calling the beetle a gay car..
they are good cars.. chicks do dig them.. really dig them
This is why the US legal system sucks. This would never fly in any other country in the world.
What he was subjected to is punitive damages, the same legal diatribe that allows American consumers to cash in when a company screws up. So Americans are all happy when the system allows them to cash in but upset when a company is the victor. If you don't like it then legislate out punitive damages on absurd scales. Otherwise you just need to put up with the money grubbing legal system you created over the last hundred years.
Sheesh Americans have no idea the police state they created. It is so funny. You let big business take all your rights away legally. Live with it, or do something about it, but stop whining.
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Capitalism in the new communism.
Capitalist companies are using intellectual property rights issues in this society to take your rights to privacy and free speech away.
Funny how this is not an issue in the socialist countries of the world. How easily the largest country and most free country in the world with the advent of internet is now the least free.
When the all mighty buck is threatened a country really begins to show its stars and stripes. Freedom in the most capitalist society in the world was always a lie.
if (capitalism != freedom)
realitycheck();
(patent pending, so this code is may not be copied. Don't let me find it in the linux kernel)
Good point before the whole p2p came around the US justice department hard the whole recording industry under investigation for allegations of monopoly and price fixing.
Then comes Bush and it all gets swept away. Along with my dreams that MS would go down in flames.
Pure and simple. They are trying to steal Linux. Linus with just a few comments lays it right on the line. He doesn't see any IP issues in the kernel at all.
The GPL applies to SCO we need to remember that everything they are doing makes them nothing more then common thieves. Stealing time (aka money) right out of our hands.
SCO can hide behind litigation for now but it is soon time for them to be known as the thieves they are.
It is safe to say that Apple systems are not proprietary at all. First of all you can use just about any pc hardware in a Mac as long as the bios is updated in them. I have done it many times. Plus they use standards like USB, Firewire, PCI and PCI-X that PC's use too. Most cards and USB devices fit in just fine.
As for proprietary software that is not the case either. All modern Macs run Yellow Dog Linux or even popular Linux distributions such as RedHat and Mandrake.
OS X also works on other hardware that is not Mac with the use of Mac-on-Linux. So as long has you have a PowerPC your good to go.
OS X with X11 uses many and soon all the UNIX software you have come to know and love. All recompiled and ready to go.
Sorry proprietary I don't see it. In fact other then running windows games (mainly because all non game software can be run with Virtual PC) there is nothing the Mac cannot do. In fact it is more compatible then most windows PCâ(TM)s.
I can not believe that SCO has the gaul to call us all thieves when in actuality they have not contributed even 1% to the Linux effort. They are using a highly dubious IP right to STEAL linux from the people who put the real effort and work into creating it.
This is absolutely unbelievable, I am beside myself with furry over this company.
SCO are the thieves right now. They have no right to Linux at all but they are hoping a judge with less technical ability to understand the codes origins hands over rights to it. There constant illegal mouth flapping is also stealing business away from the Linux community as well.
The first release Caldara made of OpenLinux validated the code which is there. If there is indeed any present of any merit. Under the GPL terms they have no claim to it.
Even if SCO looses the battle with IBM does not mean they are not going to stop this ridiculous claim to ownership over Linux.
SCO are Thieves in the act of stealing as we speak. Business and IP rights.
From the first moment I have had to speak with their technical support team I have always had a distaste for these people. The lie like a rug.
This bill baxter is an absolute genius.
We need to forward all this information to the IBM legal team. It is amazing how hypocritical the SCO people really are.
This is interesting. In this they admit to having had prior knowledge of infractions of what they believe was their intellectual property rights. But they were holding back until they could sue a big player.
That would mean they released their full version of Linux with knowledge of their code being present. Which means their code now falls under the GPL.
Bill is a bad person. His army of thugs, which we will call lets say lawyers for lack of a better word, should be pushed out of the way.
Open source is the only way to do that. This is why they are running scared right now. Every action taken by Microsoft in the last year is a systematic assault on the very fabric of the open source movement. He believes open source should be kept marginalized. Ever since the day in 1975 when he stood up in a convention and called scientists and programmers pirates for sharing source. It was natural for us to believe these things should be shared but Bill never believed in that, for him it was all about the money. Right now that belief is naturally crumbling because open source is the only thing that ever made sense. Bill is trying to convince the business world that innovation comes from his closed source and licensing.
There is a reason why Windows seems to be standing still right now when open source is doing the real innovation. Windows owes its existence to open source.
DOS = Derived from CBM OS clone source, which was made available to Microsoft due to the sharing of source, they then later purchased that source.
Windows = derived from the work being done by Xerox (the pivotal stance of Microsoft in the Apple vs. Microsoft case) and universities all over the world. Which was all done with Unix systems I might add and the word Window was coined.
If all new innovation goes straight to open source it will mean in very short time Microsoft will appear to be standing still. Not to just the academic world but also to the businesses world as well. This is already starting to happen. This is way open source is believed to be the biggest threat to Microsoft to date.
Bill get out of the way.
Sorry for the history lesson most of you already know this but I just couldn't hold back the comment.
Well the German company has the right idea. They can take legal action in there own country if they wish. Due to the US's international standing SCO would be forced to comply by a court order from Germany or any other UN treaty country.
Now if your like me your just a little upset at SCO for making such broad claims. Now I have a legal solution that would bring SCO to its knees. A movement in the free software community should be started. Everyone with means should go to their local courthouse and file a personal suit against SCO for $4000 in personal damages due to liable. In some areas of the world it is a minor cost of $50 to file a small claims court case in others maybe as high as $200. But if you have the means and everyone was to do it at the same time there is no way that SCO could respond to them. If we could get 10,000 people to do it, you could be assured of getting the 4000 dollars, as SCO would not be able to show up for all the cases. If we could coordinate that the cases be filed for the parties involved to be present at a specific date then SCO would not be able to show it would be impossible. Most likely if we all get together on the details of the case and all present the same information then we are all going to be assured of a summary judgment due to absence of the defendant (SCO). The free software community would bring SCO to its knees, legally.
I really believe a movement like this could be accomplished and would work. It would be the first instance in modern history where the Internet was used peacefully to take on a large Corporation. It puts the power back in our hands, the users. We often have to sit on the sidelines and watch the corps battle things out while we watch helpless, powerless. Why dont we use the combined legal power of an organized force of individuals using their personal legal rights. Even if only a few thousand people actually filed small claims court cases it would freeze SCO in their tracks. Now this would all be different from a class action suit because what we are trying to organize is a worldwide force of small claims suits against SCO. Small claims court is a court were you must represent yourself (lawyers are not allowed) the claims must be small like around $4000. There would be little to fear about legal backlash because the judges in a small claims court look only at damages and there is no jury, just you a judge and the defendant in a small room talking over the issues. In this case though SCO would not be able to represent themselves because there would be thousands of other claims worldwide happening at the same time. Meaning you would have the judges ear. Think about it. SCO would be forced to pay thousands of claims worldwide. Thats a lot of money if you do the math. Anyone using Linux would have a case based on the information SCO has already released. Also there is the bonus that SCO would owe you cash at the end of it. Now we could get a lawyer and people to draw up the case material everyone would use. Just download it from a site and print it. Easy as pie, take a day off work, submit the papers to the judge, state your case and you join thousands of others in the world doing the same thing.
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They can only investigate infringement of Australian content. So I find this all very amusing. This Judge is either an idiot or he was bought.
Itunes purchased music will work with other players.
MS is lying
nuf said..
You bunch of American ignorant pricks.
MY TAXES ARE WAY BETTER THEN YOURS
My parents are American and live in the states and their taxes at 10% higher on average then mine. Sales taxes are the same and fuel is cheaper in Canada. We pay for all our "socialist" programs and manage not to tax the hell out of our people and go into masive debt like your country. You Don't have a figging clue what the hell your talking about.
Well we do have that in place. Problem is the smtp servers don't check the dns record. Mail servers for a domain are recorded we just have to start rejecting the ones not in the DNS record. Then that will force ISPs to porperly record their nodes in the DNS record. Looks like this would be simple, but it requires people to cooperate. That is easy to do if the big ISP's get on the bandwagon.
Come on. That is the most idiotic proposal I have ever seen. It can never work for one simple reason. PUSH is better then PULL.
It still blows me away they allow pantents like that. I better go out and patent the 1-word-order. You know the system were instead of calling 1800 numbers and ordering product through a lengthy process all u have to do is phone the number say one word and your order is on its way.
But u can't do that in the normal world. Because the order system can not be patented. I can not believe the EU also gave them a patent on this. I thought they were smarter then that.
Ahh.. didn't Adam Sandler make a song about that.
My piece of shit 12" Powerbook.
Should the designer also lick your sweaty nutt sack?
Just because a patent was issues does not mean someone ownes it. The patent office obviously makes a lot of mistakes and it is up to us to take the offending patent up in court.
There is already scam artists calling numbers out of the phone books. Using names within sounding official and asking for credit card numbers to settle file copyright infringment.
Do not settle with anyone over the phone be very careful you will want to see documents.
Ya..
Ok... Your delusional that is clear. Look IP law is fine for commercial. But all Patents, Copyrights and so forth should not apply to personal non-profit. Simple as that. Soon as money or taking credit for something not yours comes into play then IP should mean something but all the laws should be lifted for when money is not involved. Period. Making it illegal to share ideas is the thing that stifles innovation. This is why the current lawmakers and judges consider these factors closely when looking at cases in this regard. If no one profits or no one suffers a loss of profit, then it should not be a problem.
A patent on Internet shopping was clearly patented because no one else bothered to do it. It does not follow regulations on patents. Can't believe that a patent board thought this idea was new. The idea itself is not new at all. I know of several online shopping systems which have were created prior to the web.
People seem to forget the BBS order doors from the early 90's predate this patent. The US patent office is clearly brain dead.
A link to some of the old BBS order doors.
http://archives.thebbs.org/ra77c.htm
hahaha.. no the beetle..the typo probably threw you off.. ;) the first post was calling the beetle a gay car..
they are good cars.. chicks do dig them.. really dig them
Hey I have a bettle and an iPod.. Grrr.... mine is black with flames painted on the side. It doesn't look gay anymore.
Well that is not a good example.. Who is stupid enough to eat a Big Mac ;)
This is why the US legal system sucks. This would never fly in any other country in the world.
What he was subjected to is punitive damages, the same legal diatribe that allows American consumers to cash in when a company screws up. So Americans are all happy when the system allows them to cash in but upset when a company is the victor. If you don't like it then legislate out punitive damages on absurd scales. Otherwise you just need to put up with the money grubbing legal system you created over the last hundred years.
Sheesh Americans have no idea the police state they created. It is so funny. You let big business take all your rights away legally. Live with it, or do something about it, but stop whining.
Capitalism in the new communism.
Capitalist companies are using intellectual property rights issues in this society to take your rights to privacy and free speech away.
Funny how this is not an issue in the socialist countries of the world. How easily the largest country and most free country in the world with the advent of internet is now the least free.
When the all mighty buck is threatened a country really begins to show its stars and stripes. Freedom in the most capitalist society in the world was always a lie.
if (capitalism != freedom)
realitycheck();
(patent pending, so this code is may not be copied. Don't let me find it in the linux kernel)
Good point before the whole p2p came around the US justice department hard the whole recording industry under investigation for allegations of monopoly and price fixing.
Then comes Bush and it all gets swept away. Along with my dreams that MS would go down in flames.
Pure and simple. They are trying to steal Linux. Linus with just a few comments lays it right on the line. He doesn't see any IP issues in the kernel at all.
The GPL applies to SCO we need to remember that everything they are doing makes them nothing more then common thieves. Stealing time (aka money) right out of our hands.
SCO can hide behind litigation for now but it is soon time for them to be known as the thieves they are.
You don't understand, we are Mac customers if Apple releases something new we must have it.
:p
Don't you get it. There is no, nah forget it attitude so we have the right to bitch about price.
PC users just don't get it.
It is safe to say that Apple systems are not proprietary at all. First of all you can use just about any pc hardware in a Mac as long as the bios is updated in them. I have done it many times. Plus they use standards like USB, Firewire, PCI and PCI-X that PC's use too. Most cards and USB devices fit in just fine.
As for proprietary software that is not the case either. All modern Macs run Yellow Dog Linux or even popular Linux distributions such as RedHat and Mandrake.
OS X also works on other hardware that is not Mac with the use of Mac-on-Linux. So as long has you have a PowerPC your good to go.
OS X with X11 uses many and soon all the UNIX software you have come to know and love. All recompiled and ready to go.
Sorry proprietary I don't see it. In fact other then running windows games (mainly because all non game software can be run with Virtual PC) there is nothing the Mac cannot do. In fact it is more compatible then most windows PCâ(TM)s.
I can not believe that SCO has the gaul to call us all thieves when in actuality they have not contributed even 1% to the Linux effort. They are using a highly dubious IP right to STEAL linux from the people who put the real effort and work into creating it. This is absolutely unbelievable, I am beside myself with furry over this company. SCO are the thieves right now. They have no right to Linux at all but they are hoping a judge with less technical ability to understand the codes origins hands over rights to it. There constant illegal mouth flapping is also stealing business away from the Linux community as well. The first release Caldara made of OpenLinux validated the code which is there. If there is indeed any present of any merit. Under the GPL terms they have no claim to it. Even if SCO looses the battle with IBM does not mean they are not going to stop this ridiculous claim to ownership over Linux. SCO are Thieves in the act of stealing as we speak. Business and IP rights. From the first moment I have had to speak with their technical support team I have always had a distaste for these people. The lie like a rug.
This bill baxter is an absolute genius. We need to forward all this information to the IBM legal team. It is amazing how hypocritical the SCO people really are.
That says it all.
This is interesting. In this they admit to having had prior knowledge of infractions of what they believe was their intellectual property rights. But they were holding back until they could sue a big player.
That would mean they released their full version of Linux with knowledge of their code being present. Which means their code now falls under the GPL.
Ok you don't want to say it. So I will.
Bill is a bad person. His army of thugs, which we will call lets say lawyers for lack of a better word, should be pushed out of the way.
Open source is the only way to do that. This is why they are running scared right now. Every action taken by Microsoft in the last year is a systematic assault on the very fabric of the open source movement. He believes open source should be kept marginalized. Ever since the day in 1975 when he stood up in a convention and called scientists and programmers pirates for sharing source. It was natural for us to believe these things should be shared but Bill never believed in that, for him it was all about the money. Right now that belief is naturally crumbling because open source is the only thing that ever made sense. Bill is trying to convince the business world that innovation comes from his closed source and licensing.
There is a reason why Windows seems to be standing still right now when open source is doing the real innovation. Windows owes its existence to open source.
DOS = Derived from CBM OS clone source, which was made available to Microsoft due to the sharing of source, they then later purchased that source.
Windows = derived from the work being done by Xerox (the pivotal stance of Microsoft in the Apple vs. Microsoft case) and universities all over the world. Which was all done with Unix systems I might add and the word Window was coined.
If all new innovation goes straight to open source it will mean in very short time Microsoft will appear to be standing still. Not to just the academic world but also to the businesses world as well. This is already starting to happen. This is way open source is believed to be the biggest threat to Microsoft to date.
Bill get out of the way.
Sorry for the history lesson most of you already know this but I just couldn't hold back the comment.
Oh ya I can see that.
People ending up in emergancy because someone hacked the their brain nanobots. Great...
Well the German company has the right idea. They can take legal action in there own country if they wish. Due to the US's international standing SCO would be forced to comply by a court order from Germany or any other UN treaty country.
Now if your like me your just a little upset at SCO for making such broad claims. Now I have a legal solution that would bring SCO to its knees. A movement in the free software community should be started. Everyone with means should go to their local courthouse and file a personal suit against SCO for $4000 in personal damages due to liable. In some areas of the world it is a minor cost of $50 to file a small claims court case in others maybe as high as $200. But if you have the means and everyone was to do it at the same time there is no way that SCO could respond to them. If we could get 10,000 people to do it, you could be assured of getting the 4000 dollars, as SCO would not be able to show up for all the cases. If we could coordinate that the cases be filed for the parties involved to be present at a specific date then SCO would not be able to show it would be impossible. Most likely if we all get together on the details of the case and all present the same information then we are all going to be assured of a summary judgment due to absence of the defendant (SCO). The free software community would bring SCO to its knees, legally.
I really believe a movement like this could be accomplished and would work. It would be the first instance in modern history where the Internet was used peacefully to take on a large Corporation. It puts the power back in our hands, the users. We often have to sit on the sidelines and watch the corps battle things out while we watch helpless, powerless. Why dont we use the combined legal power of an organized force of individuals using their personal legal rights. Even if only a few thousand people actually filed small claims court cases it would freeze SCO in their tracks. Now this would all be different from a class action suit because what we are trying to organize is a worldwide force of small claims suits against SCO. Small claims court is a court were you must represent yourself (lawyers are not allowed) the claims must be small like around $4000. There would be little to fear about legal backlash because the judges in a small claims court look only at damages and there is no jury, just you a judge and the defendant in a small room talking over the issues. In this case though SCO would not be able to represent themselves because there would be thousands of other claims worldwide happening at the same time. Meaning you would have the judges ear. Think about it. SCO would be forced to pay thousands of claims worldwide. Thats a lot of money if you do the math. Anyone using Linux would have a case based on the information SCO has already released. Also there is the bonus that SCO would owe you cash at the end of it. Now we could get a lawyer and people to draw up the case material everyone would use. Just download it from a site and print it. Easy as pie, take a day off work, submit the papers to the judge, state your case and you join thousands of others in the world doing the same thing.
So what does everyone think of this?