> you still don't explain to me, why hitting ESC, j, j, j and then i again should be faster than just using the down arrow instead of leaving insert mode and getting back into it...
2. You DO realize you can hit Ctrl-C instead of ESC, right? Pressing ESC is slow.
3. A vim user wouldn't be pressing j 3 times, they would be typing: 3j. They might even type: {LineNumber}g. Which brings me to my next point:
4. You're ignoring the context.WHY are they moving the cursor 3 times? WHAT are they changing 3 lines down? You are focusing on "one-off" edits; when you focus exclusively on a single tree you are missing the ENTIRE forest.
There is a reason Vi/Vim has two modes: Command Mode and Insert mode. Because when you are command mode chances you are will be doing _more_ commands. And when you are insert mode chances are you will probably be doing _more_ inserts. Vi/Vim is optimized for the _common_ case -- not the uncommon case of switching command-mode / insert-mode / command-mode.
If you actually paid any attention to writers you would notice they go through a similar process. In phase 1 they just _write_ -- spelling mistakes included. THEN they go back and cleanup spelling, grammar, re-arranging words / sentences / paragraphs.
Other editors suck -- because you have to hold ADDITIONAL keys down to do commands, such as Ctrl-Arrows or Ctrl-Shift-Arrows to select text. How do you select up-to-and-including a character in this dumbed-down selection mode? How do you select up-to-but-not-including a character in this selection mode?
With Vim, when you are command mode, you only need to press a single key: a-z.
> If you spent so much time typing and not thinking, you most likely do it wrong anyway... work smarter, not harder!
Incorrect. Just because _your_ brain is slow doesn't imply everyone else's is. Come back when you've been programming for 40+ years and have most of the code "in your head."
If all you are doing is "one off" edits, then stick with Notepad. For any one doing anything serious in their craft, they pick up professional, specialized, tools. Vim is a text editor for professionals, not amateurs.
_Your_ myopic use-case of 90/10 doesn't apply to everyone. You could use Notepad and you would still be just as "productive."
So Vim provide zero benefit _for you._ Great. But only an fool keeps ignoring the answer when people say _why_ Vim is the better solution for _their_ needs.
We see other people coming to the same conclusion:
it was voted the most popular editor amongst Linux Journal readers; in 2015 the Stack Overflow developer survey found it to be the third most popular text editor; and in 2016 the Stack Overflow developer survey found it to be the fourth most popular development environment
I tried Vim out in the early 90's. I hated it. Back in 2010 I forced myself to use only Vim for one month. The learning curve is a fucking vertical wall, but once you get over it, you will never look at any other text editor the same way again. My only regret is that I didn't learn it 20 years early.
For the rest of us where our time is split closer to 10% thinking / 90% typing Vim significantly cuts down on the iteration time -- we think and almost instantly our changes are applied which frees us up to repeat the cycle. That's a HUGE productivity boost for us professional programmers.
It sounds like all you do is mickey-mouse "one-off" text editing and never do any advanced text editing.
The ability to repeat (almost) ANY command just by typing in a number before the pressing the operation key shows why every other editor is crap.
* Want to delete 16 chars, type 16x. * Want to insert 16 spaces, I type: 16 SPACE because my space is mapped to: i SPACE ESC l -- due to inserting spaces being is one of the most common operations. * Want to insert N columns of spaces? Press Ctrl-Q to start block select mode, type a number, press k to move down, press y to copy, type a number, press p to paste. * Want to record a macro? Press q, give it a single letter name, type your keypresses, and press q when done. Want to play it back N times? Type in the number, press @, and the macro name. Every other text fucks up this simple operation and make it more complicated then it needs to be.
Plus I can use the same editor, with the same configuration, across Windows, OSX, and Linux. I don't have to use some shitty text editor that only works on one OS, nor use some slow, bloated IDE that only works on another OS.
Vim also comes with a built-in diff tool. You can see 2-way and 3-way diffs AND edit them. It sounds like you have never had to manually merge code.
Constantly complaining about hjkl just shows you are not interested in putting the time in to learn it and would rather just make excuses. Gee, if only there was an option to remap keys... oh wait, there is!
When I first started learning Vim I started re-mapping every key to better match what I "thought" it should be. It took me about 2 weeks but then I realized that _every_ key in Vim was chosen for a _specific_ reason. The entire key mapping is synergistic -- everything fits together in a logical fashion. You will NEVER understand this until you actually USE it.
Vi / Vim was written by programmers for programmers. It sounds like you are either still an amateur or spend more time managing then programming -- Notepad or Notepad++ does everything _you_ need. But for us professionals who deal with text day-in, day-out, Vim is literally a no-brainer once you learn it.
> The US legal profession has taken the massively unethical position that their time is valuable - and thus they can charge others for it - but the time of others is not valuable
Indeed. The greed of the legal system and their desire to maintain the status quo (It is illegal to "practice" law without having _their_ permission while ignoring the fact that founding fathers WERE lawyers is conveniently ignored.)
The problem is they don't respect anyone else. That reminds of an old joke:
Q. Why don't sharks attack lawyers? A. Professional courtesy.
Notice what Tacitus said a few thousand years ago.
The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the state.
These scum over-complicate EVERYTHING. The tax code is 73,954 pages!!! WTF!?!?!
The code is now nearly 74,000 pages long. That's about 185 times longer than it was in 1913, when the code was 400 pages. Source: CCH
Instead of having ONE, EASY, sentence: "10% of all income is taxed" instead we get this bloated shit with so many loop-holes you have to pay an expert to "legally minimize" your fair share.
> All marketing should be opt-in - and opting out should be easy.
> the non arrow key moving is so counter intuitive that many people never 'acquire' it.
There definitely is some truth to that. That's why I changed my keybinds to use IJKL because HJKL doesn't work for me and I imagine it sucks for a lot of people too.
> And honestly, how much slower is moving the hand to the arrow keys anyway?
You'd be surprised. Quite a bit. It all adds up. Press v, and want to select...
*... end of word alphanumeric only? Press w. *... end of a word all chars? Press e *... beginning of word alphanumeric only? Press b *... beginning of word all chars? Press B *... up-to but not including some character? Press t *.. up-to and including some character? Press f
With the arrow keys you are constantly dicking around pressing them.
/sarcasm Because in order for Linux to succeed on the desktop you need to run some slow, bloated, shitty ribbon bar IDE right?
It is obvious you don't deal with text day-in and day-out. Vim works because it becomes an extension of your mind once you learn how to use it. It is FAST. It can edit files of almost ANY size.
* Linux won in the server space. 100% of the Top 500 supercomputers in the world run Linux. * Linux won in the mobile space. Linux runs on over 2 Billion monthly active devices.
That leaves the desktop space.
Guess what, no one gives a fuck that Windows dominates the desktop. People _already_ use Linux on the desktop. The only ones complaining about the "quantity" is you.
> VI's interface design was crafted to overcome the lack of a mouse and arrow keys
You are doing it wrong.
CONSTANTLY moving your hands off the home row to/from the arrow keys is S-L-O-W. Once you learn how to navigate the cursor it is trivial to whip around the screen using only the keyboard.
> Pentagon official who said "UFOs existence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt."
Here is the quote:
In an interview with British broadsheet The Telegraph published on Saturday, Luis Elizondo told the newspaper of the sightings, "In my opinion, if this was a court of law, we have reached the point of 'beyond reasonable doubt.' "
Riiight, because there is no such thing as a conspiracy.
And yet magically in the official 9/11 Commission Report any mention of Building 7 is completely omitted. Gee, that's not suspicious in the least bit.
Let's also conveniently ignore the fact that the BBC admits they don't know what happened to the BBC World tapes. Gee, only one of the most important events in the new millennium and they don't know if they lost or destroyed the tapes?!?!?!
Of all the bullshit conspiracies out there -- there are only three that are true:
1. We are not alone (which will become known fact ~2024), 2. The American Government was responsible for using controlled demolitions on building 7, 3.... not important enough to mention...
Only an idiot would believe that "a fire" was magically responsible for WTC 7.
* Where the fuck is the map editor??? * Where is the mod support??? * Where is the ability to run our OWN servers? * Where is the ability to set our own MAX players?
Ubisucks can't even do what Valve's L4D and Team Fortress was doing for over a decade ago.
/sarcasm What? You don't enjoy all the regurgitated re-cashgrab remakes??
I mean, one of the eleven remakes of Robin Hood has to be better then the original 1912 version, right?:-)
* Robin Hood (1912) * Robin Hood (1935) * The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) * The Bandit of Sherwood Forest (1948) * The Prince of Thieves (1948) * The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men (1952) * Sword of Sherwood Forest (1960) * Walt Disney's Robin Hood (1973) * Robin Hood: The Movie (1991) * Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991) * Robin Hood: Men in Tights (1993) * Robin Hood (2010)
> Rewatching ST DS9 ATM. Now that is proper Sci-Fi....
You are in for a treat. Last year I finished watching ST:TNG and DS9. Loved them both. Currently watching Voyager (on season 5) but it is so bloody boring that I keep falling asleep.
* Farscape is on the "To Watch" list -- heard great things about it. * I've seen an Episode of Black Mirror -- loved it. * The latest re-incarnation of Star Trek, The Orville is good. STD, Star Trek Discovery is crap.
Other "decent" Sci-Fi:
* Battlestar Galactica (2004) - Holy shit, this was freaking AWESOME! Excellent writing and acting. * Caprica (2009) - OK, had potential; worth watching if you liked BSG * Continuum (2012) - Good; Struggles to be great. Worth watching simply because it is far better then the rest of the junk out there currently. Status: Ending this year w/ Season 4. * Extant (2014) - Complete and utter shite and I even *like* Halle Berry (well, I did, before her boob job) Do we get an endurance badge for watching it? SO much potential and it is completely squandered time and time again. * Futurama (1999) - EXCELLENT, Smithers. Oh wait, wrong character;-) TONS of great science jokes. * Forever (2014) - Loved it! (technically NOT sci-fi) Status: Cancelled:-( Bloody suits. * Terra Nova (2011) - Started to like it by the end of S1; had potential. Great cliffhanger at end S1! Status: Cancelled. Forever in limbo:-( Bloody suits. * The Tomorrow People (2013) - Meh. Status: Cancelled.
I really wish abandonware was classified as being legal. A reasonable request would be if your multiplayer game is no longer being sold then after 10 years it becomes freeware, because obviously it has no financial value else why were the servers shut down?
LOTS of unanswered questions about MR (Mixed Reality) -- almost enough to go Meh:
The viewing space is about the size of a VHS tape held in front of you with your arms half extended. It's much larger than the HoloLens, but itâ(TM)s still there.
* Article mentioned a narrow FOV (Field of View) Is 10 degrees? 30 degrees? 60 Degrees?
hoping to solve was the discomfort that some experience while using virtual reality headsets
So did they solve the naseau?
"We're not moving electrons around with transistors; we are moving photons, a photonic signal with a three-dimensional ray of nanostructures.
* What exactly are the photonic chips processing?
* What are the specs?
* How much?
Time to wait till 2019 when, hopefully, they have shipped in late 2018...
Slashdot Mirror
All they have is algorithms, data, and a glorified table lookup.
There is no fucking intelligence in these machines.
If they _actually_ had intelligence they could figure out the process _themselves._
i.e.
How Smart Are Crows? | ScienceTake | The New York Times
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...
> you still don't explain to me, why hitting ESC, j, j, j and then i again should be faster than just using the down arrow instead of leaving insert mode and getting back into it ...
1. Gee, if only you could learn to read.
2. You DO realize you can hit Ctrl-C instead of ESC, right? Pressing ESC is slow.
3. A vim user wouldn't be pressing j 3 times, they would be typing: 3j. They might even type: {LineNumber}g. Which brings me to my next point:
4. You're ignoring the context. WHY are they moving the cursor 3 times? WHAT are they changing 3 lines down? You are focusing on "one-off" edits; when you focus exclusively on a single tree you are missing the ENTIRE forest.
There is a reason Vi/Vim has two modes: Command Mode and Insert mode. Because when you are command mode chances you are will be doing _more_ commands. And when you are insert mode chances are you will probably be doing _more_ inserts. Vi/Vim is optimized for the _common_ case -- not the uncommon case of switching command-mode / insert-mode / command-mode.
If you actually paid any attention to writers you would notice they go through a similar process. In phase 1 they just _write_ -- spelling mistakes included. THEN they go back and cleanup spelling, grammar, re-arranging words / sentences / paragraphs.
Other editors suck -- because you have to hold ADDITIONAL keys down to do commands, such as Ctrl-Arrows or Ctrl-Shift-Arrows to select text. How do you select up-to-and-including a character in this dumbed-down selection mode? How do you select up-to-but-not-including a character in this selection mode?
With Vim, when you are command mode, you only need to press a single key: a-z.
> If you spent so much time typing and not thinking, you most likely do it wrong anyway ... work smarter, not harder!
Incorrect. Just because _your_ brain is slow doesn't imply everyone else's is. Come back when you've been programming for 40+ years and have most of the code "in your head."
If all you are doing is "one off" edits, then stick with Notepad. For any one doing anything serious in their craft, they pick up professional, specialized, tools. Vim is a text editor for professionals, not amateurs.
_Your_ myopic use-case of 90/10 doesn't apply to everyone. You could use Notepad and you would still be just as "productive."
So Vim provide zero benefit _for you._ Great. But only an fool keeps ignoring the answer when people say _why_ Vim is the better solution for _their_ needs.
We see other people coming to the same conclusion:
I tried Vim out in the early 90's. I hated it. Back in 2010 I forced myself to use only Vim for one month. The learning curve is a fucking vertical wall, but once you get over it, you will never look at any other text editor the same way again. My only regret is that I didn't learn it 20 years early.
For the rest of us where our time is split closer to 10% thinking / 90% typing Vim significantly cuts down on the iteration time -- we think and almost instantly our changes are applied which frees us up to repeat the cycle. That's a HUGE productivity boost for us professional programmers.
It sounds like all you do is mickey-mouse "one-off" text editing and never do any advanced text editing.
The ability to repeat (almost) ANY command just by typing in a number before the pressing the operation key shows why every other editor is crap.
* Want to delete 16 chars, type 16x.
* Want to insert 16 spaces, I type: 16 SPACE because my space is mapped to: i SPACE ESC l -- due to inserting spaces being is one of the most common operations.
* Want to insert N columns of spaces? Press Ctrl-Q to start block select mode, type a number, press k to move down, press y to copy, type a number, press p to paste.
* Want to record a macro? Press q, give it a single letter name, type your keypresses, and press q when done. Want to play it back N times? Type in the number, press @, and the macro name. Every other text fucks up this simple operation and make it more complicated then it needs to be.
Plus I can use the same editor, with the same configuration, across Windows, OSX, and Linux. I don't have to use some shitty text editor that only works on one OS, nor use some slow, bloated IDE that only works on another OS.
Vim also comes with a built-in diff tool. You can see 2-way and 3-way diffs AND edit them. It sounds like you have never had to manually merge code.
Constantly complaining about hjkl just shows you are not interested in putting the time in to learn it and would rather just make excuses. Gee, if only there was an option to remap keys ... oh wait, there is!
When I first started learning Vim I started re-mapping every key to better match what I "thought" it should be. It took me about 2 weeks but then I realized that _every_ key in Vim was chosen for a _specific_ reason. The entire key mapping is synergistic -- everything fits together in a logical fashion. You will NEVER understand this until you actually USE it.
Vi / Vim was written by programmers for programmers. It sounds like you are either still an amateur or spend more time managing then programming -- Notepad or Notepad++ does everything _you_ need. But for us professionals who deal with text day-in, day-out, Vim is literally a no-brainer once you learn it.
This is retarded. "Banning" cryptocurrency is akin to trying to ban Math. Yeah, good luck with that.
Hypothetical: So if I "own" Venezuelan cryptocoin will I be hauled off to jail ???
Hypothetical: If I leave the U.S., say go visit Canada, can I then "buy" Venezuelan cryptocoins?
TGA's while being a very nice simple format, and technically could store HDR images, support doesn't seem popular enough to handle sadly.
How do you _save_
* 16-bit grayscale (16-bits)
* 16-bit/channel (64-bits)
* 32-bit/channel (128-bit)
Also, which Data Type value would you use?
Unless Photoshop supports it out-of-the-box the format is dead.
Speaking of Photoshop -- Adobe Photoshop's native .PSD handle these without any problems and have been around for ages.
BMP's are easy to read/load they also don't support HDR formats.
Moving your hand off the home row to the arrows keys is a complete waste of time.
+1 Excellent points! Mod up!
> The US legal profession has taken the massively unethical position that their time is valuable - and thus they can charge others for it - but the time of others is not valuable
Indeed. The greed of the legal system and their desire to maintain the status quo (It is illegal to "practice" law without having _their_ permission while ignoring the fact that founding fathers WERE lawyers is conveniently ignored.)
The problem is they don't respect anyone else. That reminds of an old joke:
Q. Why don't sharks attack lawyers?
A. Professional courtesy.
Notice what Tacitus said a few thousand years ago.
The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the state.
These scum over-complicate EVERYTHING. The tax code is 73,954 pages!!! WTF!?!?!
Instead of having ONE, EASY, sentence: "10% of all income is taxed" instead we get this bloated shit with so many loop-holes you have to pay an expert to "legally minimize" your fair share.
> All marketing should be opt-in - and opting out should be easy.
Agreed !
You are missing the entire point.
WHY do you even use the arrow keys in the first place?
Because cursor movement is step ONE in doing _x_.
In step TWO you are either:
* Adding Text
* Deleting Text
* Pasting Text
* Selecting Text
The arrow keys are a means to an end.
By keeping your hands on the keyboard the _entire_ time you minimize the time for BOTH steps. THAT's the Vim advantage.
Well, I can tell you how NOT to do it.
By trying to ignore the issue.
That doesn't work.
> the non arrow key moving is so counter intuitive that many people never 'acquire' it.
There definitely is some truth to that. That's why I changed my keybinds to use IJKL because HJKL doesn't work for me and I imagine it sucks for a lot of people too.
> And honestly, how much slower is moving the hand to the arrow keys anyway?
You'd be surprised. Quite a bit. It all adds up. Press v, and want to select ...
* ... end of word alphanumeric only? Press w. ... end of a word all chars? Press e ... beginning of word alphanumeric only? Press b ... beginning of word all chars? Press B ... up-to but not including some character? Press t .. up-to and including some character? Press f
*
*
*
*
*
With the arrow keys you are constantly dicking around pressing them.
I found this Vim Cheat Sheet to be quite a handy reference.
/sarcasm Because in order for Linux to succeed on the desktop you need to run some slow, bloated, shitty ribbon bar IDE right?
It is obvious you don't deal with text day-in and day-out. Vim works because it becomes an extension of your mind once you learn how to use it. It is FAST. It can edit files of almost ANY size.
* Linux won in the server space. 100% of the Top 500 supercomputers in the world run Linux.
* Linux won in the mobile space. Linux runs on over 2 Billion monthly active devices.
That leaves the desktop space.
Guess what, no one gives a fuck that Windows dominates the desktop. People _already_ use Linux on the desktop. The only ones complaining about the "quantity" is you.
> VI's interface design was crafted to overcome the lack of a mouse and arrow keys
You are doing it wrong.
CONSTANTLY moving your hands off the home row to/from the arrow keys is S-L-O-W. Once you learn how to navigate the cursor it is trivial to whip around the screen using only the keyboard.
This is the same retard who thinks:
https://plus.google.com/+Laure...
And now he thinks censorship will work?
Only cowards censor.
Why?
Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.
ONLY by having a rational discussion, where people are FORCED to confront their biases will they ever learn to see the pros/cons of BOTH sides.
.. nor your preferences.
Fuck them. Use software that does.
> Pentagon official who said "UFOs existence is proven beyond a reasonable doubt."
Here is the quote:
Source:
http://www.newsweek.com/ufo-ex...
/sarcasm I thought it was swamp gas !
Riiight, because there is no such thing as a conspiracy.
And yet magically in the official 9/11 Commission Report any mention of Building 7 is completely omitted. Gee, that's not suspicious in the least bit.
Let's also conveniently ignore the fact that the BBC admits they don't know what happened to the BBC World tapes. Gee, only one of the most important events in the new millennium and they don't know if they lost or destroyed the tapes?!?!?!
Let's ignore all the eye witness accounts..
Of all the bullshit conspiracies out there -- there are only three that are true:
1. We are not alone (which will become known fact ~2024), ... not important enough to mention ...
2. The American Government was responsible for using controlled demolitions on building 7,
3.
Only an idiot would believe that "a fire" was magically responsible for WTC 7.
Amen!
* Where the fuck is the map editor???
* Where is the mod support???
* Where is the ability to run our OWN servers?
* Where is the ability to set our own MAX players?
Ubisucks can't even do what Valve's L4D and Team Fortress was doing for over a decade ago.
Anyone who has played Ubisucks games knows they don't even fix their bugs -- I'll be surprised if this will be any different.
Google for "rb6 las vegas 2 sound bug" and you get tons of complaints.
Why would I trust them _this_ time??
> TFA was the last straw for me..
/sarcasm What? You don't enjoy all the regurgitated re-cashgrab remakes??
I mean, one of the eleven remakes of Robin Hood has to be better then the original 1912 version, right? :-)
* Robin Hood (1912)
* Robin Hood (1935)
* The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
* The Bandit of Sherwood Forest (1948)
* The Prince of Thieves (1948)
* The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men (1952)
* Sword of Sherwood Forest (1960)
* Walt Disney's Robin Hood (1973)
* Robin Hood: The Movie (1991)
* Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991)
* Robin Hood: Men in Tights (1993)
* Robin Hood (2010)
/sarcasm How could you not LOVE masterpieces such as Stupid Wars: The Latest Junk (SW:TLJ) !!
> Rewatching ST DS9 ATM. Now that is proper Sci-Fi....
You are in for a treat. Last year I finished watching ST:TNG and DS9. Loved them both. Currently watching Voyager (on season 5) but it is so bloody boring that I keep falling asleep.
* Farscape is on the "To Watch" list -- heard great things about it.
* I've seen an Episode of Black Mirror -- loved it.
* The latest re-incarnation of Star Trek, The Orville is good. STD, Star Trek Discovery is crap.
Other "decent" Sci-Fi:
* Battlestar Galactica (2004) - Holy shit, this was freaking AWESOME! Excellent writing and acting. ;-) TONS of great science jokes. :-( Bloody suits. :-( Bloody suits.
* Caprica (2009) - OK, had potential; worth watching if you liked BSG
* Continuum (2012) - Good; Struggles to be great. Worth watching simply because it is far better then the rest of the junk out there currently. Status: Ending this year w/ Season 4.
* Extant (2014) - Complete and utter shite and I even *like* Halle Berry (well, I did, before her boob job) Do we get an endurance badge for watching it? SO much potential and it is completely squandered time and time again.
* Futurama (1999) - EXCELLENT, Smithers. Oh wait, wrong character
* Forever (2014) - Loved it! (technically NOT sci-fi) Status: Cancelled
* Terra Nova (2011) - Started to like it by the end of S1; had potential. Great cliffhanger at end S1! Status: Cancelled. Forever in limbo
* The Tomorrow People (2013) - Meh. Status: Cancelled.
Call it what the are: Stupidhero Movies
* Lots of explosions
* Formulaic, predictable Plot
* Lens Flare
Yawn
i.e. How to Make a Michael Bay Film
You expect Unicode quotes to work on /. shitty's code? You must be new here.
/sarcasm ASCII or bust.
* U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
* U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
* U+201C LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
* U+201D RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
I mean its not like they had a decade or two to fix their code ... oh wait ...
-- /. editors -- fix the crappy Unicode support already ...
Hey
Artificial scarcity is just that, a blatant cash grab. Has society really "evolved" to that?
I really wish abandonware was classified as being legal. A reasonable request would be if your multiplayer game is no longer being sold then after 10 years it becomes freeware, because obviously it has no financial value else why were the servers shut down?
LOTS of unanswered questions about MR (Mixed Reality) -- almost enough to go Meh:
* Article mentioned a narrow FOV (Field of View) Is 10 degrees? 30 degrees? 60 Degrees?
So did they solve the naseau?
* What exactly are the photonic chips processing?
* What are the specs?
* How much?
Time to wait till 2019 when, hopefully, they have shipped in late 2018 ...