the distinct lack of oxygen would have taken care of that
Perchlorates. RTFS
the atmosphere of Mars is so thin that it's almost a vacuum compared to that of Earth, so maybe some special measures had to be built into Urey to accommodate liquid water
It's brilliant. It shocks you when you first read it, but then you realize it's correct (if you accept selective breeding as a form of "intelligent design", although it's more correct to call it human selection). Of course it has nothing to do with evolution and natural selection on a global scale.
Also, people usually dislike using low-level calls like goto when we have prettier abstractions. The thing is, for specific uses of goto (like aborting a function if there's an error in the middle) there isn't really a better way to do it.
By the way, I meant do {... } while(0); so the block runs only once.
Your attitude reminds me of people who use flag variables in order to avoid GOTOs. Technically it works fine, but.........why not just jump?
You can use a do {... } while(1); block. That way, you can put break statements inside and it's like a goto. However, I suspect both goto-haters and goto-users are gonna flame me for this.
As long as the plant is growing, it's releasing more O2 than it consumes. In order to release more O2, it'd need a carbon source other than CO2 (because when it uses CO2 it releases oxygen).
Or something like that.
I'm sure there's a market for decent, non-trivial news. However, I'd expect them to be more expensive, and (for places as decentralized as the US) you'll have trouble finding local news.
Who knows, maybe this will lead to people actually getting off their asses to find information, and having a bigger part in what's going on than voting every couple of years.
And depending on which biblical apocrypha you believe in, he went to a bar that Saturday and got shitfaced with the apostles, before returning to the tomb Sunday morning (of course he never mentioned this to his fokes).
Plenty of people argued this, that GWB was just playing dumb. That's the thing with slashdot, you aren't arguing against a person but rather against a thousand different points of view.
You win. I was arguing against a specific statement of yours about generating CO2. However, if we're only talking about anaerobic metabolism then you're right.
And I don't think discussions have to be "won" when just stating scientific facts.
Just annoyed when people make statements like the discussion is already over.
However, neither of those reactions produce more CO2. To produce CO2 you'd have to split the carbon bonds, which is combustion. Combustion is not particularly biochemically useful to a cell (duh) - and surprise - it requires oxygen
Nope. For example, in the Krebs cycle, many steps produce CO2, don't require O2, and yield reducing equivalents (a kind of power source). The oxygen is for oxidative fosforilation, which uses those reducing equivalents to make ATP (a better power source). However, in anaerobic conditions, those reducing equivalents pile up so they are spent in making alcohol or other compounds so the reaction can keep going.
Basically, you're right yet none of your arguments are
thanks for your reply, it's yet another bullshit post that pretends to sound authoritative!
I'm taking my information from books, not some random website
Would you be nice enough to win the discussion before doing that?
Damn, you beat me to it! Don't you love how any bullshit sounding remotely authoritative just gets modded up...
I will just add one simple statement as supporting evidence to your correction:
C6H12O6 => 2(CH3CH2OH) + 2(CO2)
Then you must know alcohol can also be metabolized, thus producing more CO2. Unless they manage to avoid its metabolism (say, through genetic modification) so more alcohol and less CO2 is produced.
If you had instead written "Yeah, but it discharges if you leave it next to your speakers:P" you wouldn't be having this argument, and someone would possibly be explaining how this thing actually works.
s/it's/its
In case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about "The US is better than <country>. Sure, they have decent healthcare and political parties, but we've got guns"
Ya, but at least we are allowed access to guns. We can at least do some pew-pewing before we finally croak
The second ammendment is the most cunning deceit ever made (probably not it's original intention). It keeps people thinking "hey, if things get too bad we can still revolt". Thus, the illusion of having a right takes precedence over actual rights that citizens in other countries have (healthcare or whatever).
If you use unpurified sea water you'll put a LOT of chlorine ions from sea salt into the ozone layer - near the equator where it's a big deal - and chlorine is the catalyst for the ozone->oxygen transition that got freon banned.
Salt has chloride ions, which are way more stable than molecular chlorine. Therefore, oxidizing chloride to chlorine would require energy input.
I actually spotted a possible fault in my argument (oxygen might be able to oxidize the chloride) but I'm not gonna tell you what it is.
Ok, doing some chem gives you this:
4Cl- + 4H+ + O2(g) <--> 2Cl2(g) + 2 H2O potential: -1.49V
Meaning that reaction isn't spontaneous, so it won't happen. Not sure what role sunlight will play, but I suspect it only interacts with Cl2 molecules and not Cl- ions.
Send up seawater. Don't think there's gonna be a shortage of that in many million years. Hell, everyone keeps complaining about Venice slowly sinking into the rising ocean.
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the distinct lack of oxygen would have taken care of that
Perchlorates. RTFS
the atmosphere of Mars is so thin that it's almost a vacuum compared to that of Earth, so maybe some special measures had to be built into Urey to accommodate liquid water
Closed containers?
You mean "It doesn't take a lot of time to disperse like chemical signals do" :-) {/pedantic}
Some people were just compiled with -Wall -pedantic
Right, so as long as I avoid code 3 or 7 I won't die
That'd be true if he had said
Iff the resin identification code is a 3 or a 7, you are going to die!!!
Logic for the humor-impaired :)
It's brilliant. It shocks you when you first read it, but then you realize it's correct (if you accept selective breeding as a form of "intelligent design", although it's more correct to call it human selection). Of course it has nothing to do with evolution and natural selection on a global scale.
Also, people usually dislike using low-level calls like goto when we have prettier abstractions. The thing is, for specific uses of goto (like aborting a function if there's an error in the middle) there isn't really a better way to do it. ... } while(0); so the block runs only once.
By the way, I meant do {
Your attitude reminds me of people who use flag variables in order to avoid GOTOs. Technically it works fine, but.........why not just jump?
You can use a do { ... } while(1); block. That way, you can put break statements inside and it's like a goto. However, I suspect both goto-haters and goto-users are gonna flame me for this.
As long as the plant is growing, it's releasing more O2 than it consumes. In order to release more O2, it'd need a carbon source other than CO2 (because when it uses CO2 it releases oxygen).
Or something like that.
I'm sure there's a market for decent, non-trivial news. However, I'd expect them to be more expensive, and (for places as decentralized as the US) you'll have trouble finding local news.
Who knows, maybe this will lead to people actually getting off their asses to find information, and having a bigger part in what's going on than voting every couple of years.
~100k Iraqis vs ~4k US ... That's 25:1! And that's a very conservative estimate for Iraqi death
Still, nowhere near Spartan proportions...
And depending on which biblical apocrypha you believe in, he went to a bar that Saturday and got shitfaced with the apostles, before returning to the tomb Sunday morning (of course he never mentioned this to his fokes).
If your site gained any popularity, they would make bots specifically to register in your website.
Plenty of people argued this, that GWB was just playing dumb. That's the thing with slashdot, you aren't arguing against a person but rather against a thousand different points of view.
And I don't think discussions have to be "won" when just stating scientific facts.
Just annoyed when people make statements like the discussion is already over.
However, neither of those reactions produce more CO2. To produce CO2 you'd have to split the carbon bonds, which is combustion. Combustion is not particularly biochemically useful to a cell (duh) - and surprise - it requires oxygen
Nope. For example, in the Krebs cycle, many steps produce CO2, don't require O2, and yield reducing equivalents (a kind of power source). The oxygen is for oxidative fosforilation, which uses those reducing equivalents to make ATP (a better power source). However, in anaerobic conditions, those reducing equivalents pile up so they are spent in making alcohol or other compounds so the reaction can keep going.
Basically, you're right yet none of your arguments are
thanks for your reply, it's yet another bullshit post that pretends to sound authoritative!
kthxbai
Damn, you beat me to it! Don't you love how any bullshit sounding remotely authoritative just gets modded up... I will just add one simple statement as supporting evidence to your correction: C6H12O6 => 2(CH3CH2OH) + 2(CO2)
Then you must know alcohol can also be metabolized, thus producing more CO2. Unless they manage to avoid its metabolism (say, through genetic modification) so more alcohol and less CO2 is produced.
A possible protection is to strap everything into racks that are suspended by cables attached to an overhead crane
I don't know if that'd be a financial success, but you'd certainly win many art contests.
It's GOOd... *ducks*
If you had instead written "Yeah, but it discharges if you leave it next to your speakers :P" you wouldn't be having this argument, and someone would possibly be explaining how this thing actually works.
This is magic (a.k.a. science you shouldn't be hand-waving about)
s/it's/its
In case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about "The US is better than <country>. Sure, they have decent healthcare and political parties, but we've got guns"
Ya, but at least we are allowed access to guns. We can at least do some pew-pewing before we finally croak
The second ammendment is the most cunning deceit ever made (probably not it's original intention). It keeps people thinking "hey, if things get too bad we can still revolt". Thus, the illusion of having a right takes precedence over actual rights that citizens in other countries have (healthcare or whatever).
This reminds me of a certain video by The Onion
Here's the equation in pretty latex
Someone could check for mistakes though
If you use unpurified sea water you'll put a LOT of chlorine ions from sea salt into the ozone layer - near the equator where it's a big deal - and chlorine is the catalyst for the ozone->oxygen transition that got freon banned.
Salt has chloride ions, which are way more stable than molecular chlorine. Therefore, oxidizing chloride to chlorine would require energy input.
I actually spotted a possible fault in my argument (oxygen might be able to oxidize the chloride) but I'm not gonna tell you what it is.
Ok, doing some chem gives you this:
4Cl- + 4H+ + O2(g) <--> 2Cl2(g) + 2 H2O potential: -1.49V
Meaning that reaction isn't spontaneous, so it won't happen. Not sure what role sunlight will play, but I suspect it only interacts with Cl2 molecules and not Cl- ions.
Send up seawater. Don't think there's gonna be a shortage of that in many million years. Hell, everyone keeps complaining about Venice slowly sinking into the rising ocean.