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I think the parent makes a valid point, we won't really know anything until we can personally hold the controller in our own hands and try it. All most of us have now is some annecdotal evidence from some people from a gaming show who said it was neat. I'm with the parent, I need to try this thing out for myself to see if I want to be waving a stick around to play games.
I know! And this one time, there were these people who were totally protesting abortion clinics, they were all on the lawn yelling at people telling the women coming in they were muderers and throwing things at them and the doctors! This is why all Anti Abortion activists are ridiculous!
The point I was getting at is that there are clearly lunatics in any movement, but those are the only ones you hear from. Rarely do you hear about animal rights activists who understand the need for many medical experiments on animal, but hope to see those animals treated with some level of dignity (I dunno, maybe breeding too many lab mice and just throwing extras away). I would wager you could call me an "animal rights activist", I think abusing pets should be punished, I've never really been in favor of cosmetic testing on animals, and I think Humans do have a degree of responsibility in taking care of whatever we can... but I don't set lab mice free, or tell how we shouldn't test medical advances on animals. I just feel there is a level of decency we can exhibit in these cases... set a few ground rules for respectfully dealing with animals and their use in medicine, and follow them. I hope that that request isn't too "Ridiculous".
We might accidentally reduce smog around urban populations and reduce mercury levels in water if we're wrong! Won't somebody please think of the... oh wait...
Well, frankly, I don't know anything about Christianity. What little I do know from others is something like god gave his only son... I just assumed it was God's son or something... so please enlighten me (so I don't have to read) where did Jesus come from and why would an all powerful God care?
Even if you could prove "those guys" made their money "more honestly", that devalues what the Gates Foundation does how? I suppose all the Carnegy Public Libraries are just monuments to the terrible and dihonest ways Andrew Carnegy gained his vast fortune.
Your last line reminds me of something I've often wondered, what does it really matter to an omnipotent, all knowing all seeing diety that his son died? The very moment he created the universe, he knew he was going to create Jesus and kill him, also knowing he'd just bring him back to life a bit later. And if Christianity is true, then he already knows he's coming back later. One Jesus, twenty, why any at all? If a being can be everywhere at all times, see everything, do anything... what does "killing" his "son" matter to him... and what was the point?
Bollocks. You talk as though practicing mathematics and learning mathematic concepts are mutually exclusive, why can't students learn the concept of division AND practice their skill? How exactly do you propose that we "educate children on WHAT division is rather then simply being able to do it"? Should we give some overheads and say "OK, division is determining how many times an entity is contained within another. Now you know division." Repetition and practice is a fine method for helping students understand material (not to say it has to be some rote, mundane process though).
I will wager any dollar ammount that brian worked extensively in "fine" mediums honing his skills in life drawing classes, obsevational drawing... years of work to produce work that fine. The point EVERYONE in this thread seems to be missing is that the article is not saying computers are BAD but that students don't take the time to learn the concepts and theories. Booting Photoshop and slapping some gradients and the plastic wrap on an image is considered art to many students today. I consider myself a decent artist, and my work always looks much sharper and crisp when using the computer as a tool, but I use it as such. I spent the better part of my life studying figures, drawing in pencil/pen/marker/oil/watercolour to get to the point I am today.
One need only take a glance at deviant art or any other free web art sites, or the countless webcomics, to notice that a copy of Photoshop and a marginal ability to draw lines gives people the impression they are decent artists. Not to marginalize the work of aspiring artists, but it is fundamental they return to traditional mediums and studies to futher their abilities. Yes, absolutely as you pointd out, the computer is an AMAZING tool for artists, probably the most important breakthrough in art medum in the last 100 years or so, but it is only that a tool.
I know you are being sarcastic, but this is not some kind of joke. Calculators are so cheap and expendable every elementary school student has one. Doing some long division or multiplication, what does each student reach for on a hard problem? Their calculator. The calculator is a fantastic tool, it simplifies the ammount of work required and removes the possibility of human error in simple steps... but that's fine for you and I, we already know how to do these problems with pen and paper if we absolutely had to. Children that don't bother learning the fundamentals of division and multiplication FIRST will have a very difficult time grasping more complicated math later.
The same applies for art, booting photoshop and filling some gradients and using the blur tool are pointless unless you know what the tools are for.
And yet, if I had the kind of money Britannica asks for printed volumes ($1000), I would puchace a complete set in a heartbeat. Online Encyclopedias like Britannica and Wikipedia are much more convenient than published works, and have the advantage of continuous updates. Yet there is something to be said about printed material, I can bring a set of works into my classroom and have children looking up useful information whether or not the school has computer and internet access.
All of those were invented and implemented before Nintendo implemented them in "latest Console"(tm). The Vextrex had an analogue Control Stick in 82, "rumble" was available in PC joysticks for years as Force Feedback, and wireless controllers were available for over a decade and not invented by Nintendo. Heck even the Nintendo had the Satellite back in the 80s.
I guess I'm getting old (I'm 23!!!) but games sure aren't what they use to be.
When I was your age we had to walk buck naked through 40 miles of snow... had to sell my internal organs to pay the rent.. blah blah and you never heard us complain. I hear this so often I'm frankly tired of it. Of COURSE games aren't what they used to be, and quite frankly, I would have stopped playing games a decade ago if they were. Arguably, I think most games are better today than they were years ago. Sure we get some real trash released, and more of it than decades ago, but there are far more great games released today than years ago as well. When I had to tollerate garbage like Hydlide on the NES, I can pallette crappy games today. Stories, art direction, sound design, beta testing, translations... this type of stuff was hardly implemented in games years ago "Help Blocky Man grab stuff on a level, fight boss and go to next level and repeat. Get a High Score!"
Sure they are plenty of negative trends today in the game industry, but I'll argue that that game design is of a higher caliber today than it was many years ago.
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I think the parent makes a valid point, we won't really know anything until we can personally hold the controller in our own hands and try it. All most of us have now is some annecdotal evidence from some people from a gaming show who said it was neat. I'm with the parent, I need to try this thing out for myself to see if I want to be waving a stick around to play games.
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I know! And this one time, there were these people who were totally protesting abortion clinics, they were all on the lawn yelling at people telling the women coming in they were muderers and throwing things at them and the doctors! This is why all Anti Abortion activists are ridiculous!
The point I was getting at is that there are clearly lunatics in any movement, but those are the only ones you hear from. Rarely do you hear about animal rights activists who understand the need for many medical experiments on animal, but hope to see those animals treated with some level of dignity (I dunno, maybe breeding too many lab mice and just throwing extras away). I would wager you could call me an "animal rights activist", I think abusing pets should be punished, I've never really been in favor of cosmetic testing on animals, and I think Humans do have a degree of responsibility in taking care of whatever we can... but I don't set lab mice free, or tell how we shouldn't test medical advances on animals. I just feel there is a level of decency we can exhibit in these cases... set a few ground rules for respectfully dealing with animals and their use in medicine, and follow them. I hope that that request isn't too "Ridiculous".
We might accidentally reduce smog around urban populations and reduce mercury levels in water if we're wrong! Won't somebody please think of the... oh wait...
Well, frankly, I don't know anything about Christianity. What little I do know from others is something like god gave his only son... I just assumed it was God's son or something... so please enlighten me (so I don't have to read) where did Jesus come from and why would an all powerful God care?
Even if you could prove "those guys" made their money "more honestly", that devalues what the Gates Foundation does how? I suppose all the Carnegy Public Libraries are just monuments to the terrible and dihonest ways Andrew Carnegy gained his vast fortune.
Your last line reminds me of something I've often wondered, what does it really matter to an omnipotent, all knowing all seeing diety that his son died? The very moment he created the universe, he knew he was going to create Jesus and kill him, also knowing he'd just bring him back to life a bit later. And if Christianity is true, then he already knows he's coming back later. One Jesus, twenty, why any at all? If a being can be everywhere at all times, see everything, do anything... what does "killing" his "son" matter to him... and what was the point?
Quake?
Don't forget his complete disdain for the homosexual community!!
We used to have Cirrus but they died several years ago.
I think you mean Cyrix.
Or maybe they're targeting children since the average gamer is an adult. http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php
Or is that Tennessee?
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What?
Start up the Bore,
Drill into the Core.
Everybody find that DINOSAUR!
Might be tough... we have to find people who like Country Music first.
Bollocks. You talk as though practicing mathematics and learning mathematic concepts are mutually exclusive, why can't students learn the concept of division AND practice their skill? How exactly do you propose that we "educate children on WHAT division is rather then simply being able to do it"? Should we give some overheads and say "OK, division is determining how many times an entity is contained within another. Now you know division." Repetition and practice is a fine method for helping students understand material (not to say it has to be some rote, mundane process though).
I will wager any dollar ammount that brian worked extensively in "fine" mediums honing his skills in life drawing classes, obsevational drawing... years of work to produce work that fine. The point EVERYONE in this thread seems to be missing is that the article is not saying computers are BAD but that students don't take the time to learn the concepts and theories. Booting Photoshop and slapping some gradients and the plastic wrap on an image is considered art to many students today. I consider myself a decent artist, and my work always looks much sharper and crisp when using the computer as a tool, but I use it as such. I spent the better part of my life studying figures, drawing in pencil/pen/marker/oil/watercolour to get to the point I am today.
One need only take a glance at deviant art or any other free web art sites, or the countless webcomics, to notice that a copy of Photoshop and a marginal ability to draw lines gives people the impression they are decent artists. Not to marginalize the work of aspiring artists, but it is fundamental they return to traditional mediums and studies to futher their abilities. Yes, absolutely as you pointd out, the computer is an AMAZING tool for artists, probably the most important breakthrough in art medum in the last 100 years or so, but it is only that a tool.
I know you are being sarcastic, but this is not some kind of joke. Calculators are so cheap and expendable every elementary school student has one. Doing some long division or multiplication, what does each student reach for on a hard problem? Their calculator. The calculator is a fantastic tool, it simplifies the ammount of work required and removes the possibility of human error in simple steps... but that's fine for you and I, we already know how to do these problems with pen and paper if we absolutely had to. Children that don't bother learning the fundamentals of division and multiplication FIRST will have a very difficult time grasping more complicated math later.
The same applies for art, booting photoshop and filling some gradients and using the blur tool are pointless unless you know what the tools are for.
And yet, if I had the kind of money Britannica asks for printed volumes ($1000), I would puchace a complete set in a heartbeat. Online Encyclopedias like Britannica and Wikipedia are much more convenient than published works, and have the advantage of continuous updates. Yet there is something to be said about printed material, I can bring a set of works into my classroom and have children looking up useful information whether or not the school has computer and internet access.
From the sound of things, the Simpsons has been renewed till at least 2008. http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/8403.html
Quit jewing this place up you nigger.
I think Annalee would have a response similar to this
At least Linux will finally have a user interface that is intuitive to the average computer user.
All of those were invented and implemented before Nintendo implemented them in "latest Console"(tm). The Vextrex had an analogue Control Stick in 82, "rumble" was available in PC joysticks for years as Force Feedback, and wireless controllers were available for over a decade and not invented by Nintendo. Heck even the Nintendo had the Satellite back in the 80s.
I guess I'm getting old (I'm 23!!!) but games sure aren't what they use to be.
When I was your age we had to walk buck naked through 40 miles of snow... had to sell my internal organs to pay the rent.. blah blah and you never heard us complain. I hear this so often I'm frankly tired of it. Of COURSE games aren't what they used to be, and quite frankly, I would have stopped playing games a decade ago if they were. Arguably, I think most games are better today than they were years ago. Sure we get some real trash released, and more of it than decades ago, but there are far more great games released today than years ago as well. When I had to tollerate garbage like Hydlide on the NES, I can pallette crappy games today. Stories, art direction, sound design, beta testing, translations... this type of stuff was hardly implemented in games years ago "Help Blocky Man grab stuff on a level, fight boss and go to next level and repeat. Get a High Score!"
Sure they are plenty of negative trends today in the game industry, but I'll argue that that game design is of a higher caliber today than it was many years ago.