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The Real Purpose of DRM

Roberto writes "Gorgeous nerd Annalee Newitz hacked a political interpretation to recent vacuum cleaner cockfights at O'Reilly's ETech: 'Hollywood corporations have finally admitted that the real reason they built digital restriction management (DRM) software into PVRs and DVD players was to stop geeks from turning their recording devices into back-alley combat machines. You haven't seen ugly until you've watched what a DVD player without DRM can do to a TiVo.' Don't try to even think of this at home."

235 comments

  1. Dude... by SigILL · · Score: 5, Funny

    April fools day is *so* yesterday.

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    1. Re:Dude... by Transeau · · Score: 1

      uh - yeah - what he said

    2. Re:Dude... by DetrimentalFiend · · Score: 1

      I think this is more a case of 'slow news day'.

    3. Re:Dude... by stunt_penguin · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yea but this is /. so the stories are expected to be a day or two late. There'll be a dupe along in a minute.

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    4. Re:Dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and because this is /. that comment was modded +3, informative...
      wtf

    5. Re:Dude... by Brandybuck · · Score: 3, Funny

      April Fools was yesterday. Today CowboyNeal goes off on a search for real news, only to find yesterday's fake stories. He then posts it on Slashdot.

      Never believe any Slashdot story on April 1st... or April 2nd.

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    6. Re:Dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or April 3rd.. or...

  2. A little late for April Fools quality articles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, wait, this is slashdot...

  3. The REAL Purpose of DRM by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    A late attempt to keep the secret of printed word hidden from the peasants and the surfs.

    Those uprisings do cause ever so much trouble.

    -Lord Rove II

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    1. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by randomiam · · Score: 3, Funny

      Peasants don't surf.

    2. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by macsox · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...because once the surfs get ahold of the printed word, the ink starts to run, and the pages get all soggy.

    3. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 2, Funny

      A serf on the other hand...

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    4. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the lack of comments about it, I take it nobody has read "The Atrocity Archives" by Charlie Stross?
      The real reason for DRM is mentioned in there.

      Maybe that's why no one else has commented....
        RJG.

    5. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Funny

      And serfs are unpeasant...

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    6. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's worse than that, they're revolting.

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    7. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

      That's why I still stick to my audio books on parrot.

      har har har

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    8. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 1

      A serf on the other hand...

      No, he meant smurf.

    9. Re:The REAL Purpose of DRM by runderwo · · Score: 1

      Well, it's obvious the real purpose of DRM isn't to prevent copying, since it has never succeeded in that, and it seems provable that it cannot succeed as long as the user controls his computer. I believe the purpose of DRM's existence is simply to criminalize users who do copy, since you have to break DRM and thus the DMCA to do so. So you have your presumably fair use copy, but in exchange you could be prosecuted simply for making it. The DRM in combination with the DMCA gives the recording industry an automatic upper hand, should they ever choose to pursue users' nonprofit copying.

  4. What's the point? by Phantombrain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would someone even want to turn a DVD player into a battlebot? And even besides that, Why would makers care? If more DVD players get destroyed, that means more are bought. Why spend more money to make less?

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    1. Re:What's the point? by kinnell · · Score: 1
      Why would someone even want to turn a DVD player into a battlebot? And even besides that, Why would makers care?

      Maybe they're worried that sales would suffer if their product got its ass kicked by a Tivo.

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    2. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would someone even want to turn a DVD player into a battlebot?

      sense of humor... get one...

  5. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Don't try to even think of this at home."

    What the hell does that mean?

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the sadder part is how many people here took it seriously. It must be the 'OMG a GIRL NERD! WTF! IVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO USE MY BRAIN!' crowd :)

    2. Re:What? by Cheapy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He's trying to restrict your ability to freely think.

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  6. Re:Gorgeous? by capt.Hij · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude! This chick just made a joke about Ubuntu *and* Gentoo users in the same sentence and then went on to disparage Red Hat users. I don't know what bug is up your nether regions, but I for one am in love. (She also discusses "USB devices." *drool*)

  7. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
  8. Re:Gorgeous? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    Yeah, thats fine and all, and she's probably a real cool chick and has a great personality, but gorgeous describes physical attractiveness, and honestly, it would take MANY free (as in beer) beers for me to consider her gorgeous.

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  9. Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by OmegaBlac · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Gorgeous nerd Annalee Newitz...
    WTF? Is this is your definition of gorgeous? Is this some type of late April Fool's joke or have you been drinking? Or are you refering about her "gorgeous" mind? I guess just about anything with a vagina will look gorgeous to slashdot geeks.
  10. Err... by remembertomorrow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only one who feels more confused after reading TFA?

    Is this supposed to be a joke, or some form of satire? A "jest" at "nerds"?

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    1. Re:Err... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's just the way Newitz writes. I get the treat of reading her on dead trees, namely SF Weekly. She's the print version of slashdot, with just about as much intellectual vigor. Occasionally she'll break the mold with a column of +5 insightful, but it's quite rare. Every column is rah-rah-linux, booh-booh-microsoft, isn't apple so awesome, and isn't sco quite the dastard, my yes. Nothing I couldn't get from reading OSNews or slashdot, and while I'll give her credit for having basic spelling and composition skills, the caliber of her writing barely rises above that.

      You obviously caught her dipping below her meager average -- every column is like one giant insider gossip.

    2. Re:Err... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I asked myself the same question. I get a feeling she knew what she was going to write when she started the article, but forgot when she was half way.

    3. Re:Err... by xtieburn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of people seem to be getting confused or thinking this is an April fools but to me it seemed pretty straight forward.

      It was an exagerated story of geeks going mad with modifications in hardware in order to give sarcastic support towards DRM. Basically shes slagging off the companys for claiming to put DRM in to stop people doing dangerous terrifying things when in actual fact its just to make more money at the expense of normal consumers.

      At least thats what I thought it ment. It seemed clear when I read it. After reading half of the comments here im beginning to think that maybe im completely wrong and in fact it was totally nonsensical waffle...

    4. Re:Err... by dmorelli · · Score: 1

      I will state up front that I did not (and am not interested in) RTFA. However, I did have a great deal of trouble parsing this:

      Gorgeous nerd Annalee Newitz hacked a political interpretation to recent vacuum cleaner cockfights at O'Reilly's ETech

      On a positive note, at least nobody butchered 'lose', 'loose' and the poor apostrophe.

    5. Re:Err... by paganizer · · Score: 1

      sooo...
      a funny justification of evil?
      I guess I get it.

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  11. this is stoopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    i want more ponies and barbie
    i dont like the othe r stupid stories. :( :( :(:(((

  12. Re:Gorgeous? by Chowderbags · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're forgetting, it's "Gorgeous nerd". It's relative at that point.

  13. Re:Gorgeous? by LouisZepher · · Score: 5, Funny

    In your case then, "beer holder", not "beholder".

  14. Posted March 14, 2006. by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    from TFA: Posted March 14, 2006.

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    1. Re:Posted March 14, 2006. by SigILL · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but the Slashdot editors turned the funny final paragraph of TFA into the whole subject of the story, and that just ain't funny on April 2nd.

      TFA's cool though; I'll give you that.

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    2. Re:Posted March 14, 2006. by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slow news day :)
      We used all the _real_ news yesterday.

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  15. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by munehiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, imho she is not that bad, and you should consider that:

    1) you don't see the body
    2) the photo is BW
    3) the photo is small
    4) the photo is crappy
    5) there are people that appear not so good in photo but they are pretty in real life.
    6) and most important, a girl can be gorgeous in her ideas and behavior, and you evaluate more and more this point of view as you get older.

    therefore, you have to figure out in real life.

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  16. Looks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be nice if women could be judged on the merit of their ideas instead of their looks. Just a thought, you know :-P.

    1. Re:Looks... by Lispy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please don't complain that /. is not women friendly. Not after yesterday. I am still suffering. :)

    2. Re:Looks... by behindthecamera · · Score: 1

      Yes, and then we would all go to the gumdrop waterfall in the land of happy ponies and drink from the chocolate stream, where the fuzzy bunnies roam, free from the wolves of society! A Candyland Utopia!

    3. Re:Looks... by jrmcferren · · Score: 0

      Pink is not too bad on a black background. But don't take women for their looks. I would love to go out with women that a dying virgin slashdotter would not want to even think about being on the same planet as them.

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    4. Re:Looks... by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bet you're just saying that because you're ugly.

    5. Re:Looks... by MonkWB · · Score: 1

      you TOTALLY posted as AC then responded didn't you?

    6. Re:Looks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the tomatoe has a point, broads are judged by their looks sometimes. Now if we could only keep our eyes off their cans, we might realize dames are more than a nice rack ;)

    7. Re:Looks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gorgeous nerd Annalee Newitz

      It would be nice if women could be judged on the merit of their ideas instead of their looks

      Either this is already the case, or the submitter has terrible taste.

    8. Re:Looks... by NewIntellectual · · Score: 0

      It's not either-or. Different judgements for different contexts and purposes. In any case, I wouldn't call Annalee Newitz "gorgeous".

    9. Re:Looks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, look at her picture, by "gorgeous" she IS clearly being judged by her ideas!

    10. Re:Looks... by barefootgenius · · Score: 1

      For all the people complaining about the use of gorgeous in the article, think back to the comments that were made on "Sandals and Ponytails Behind Slow Linux Adoption" and mod yourselves sexist.

      Male culture is just as valid as female culture. You are, in my opinion, suffering from the inevitable backlash of the fight for equal rights between the sexes.

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    11. Re:Looks... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      If you're suffering, then start fixing up your ponies thing in the sig. ;-)

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    12. Re:Looks... by pla · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if women could be judged on the merit of their ideas instead of their looks. Just a thought, you know :-P.

      Yes, it would. But I think you'll find damn few of them, even the only "plain" ones, willing to give up the ENORMOUS (Western/Civilized) societal edge they currently enjoy in mixed-gender situations.

      Just a thought. Odd how those light enough to walk above the glass ceiling seem to complain the loudest about it.

  17. Re:Gorgeous? by Weird+O'Puns · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So, you're actually some kind of lord?

  18. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  19. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have to agree I did a search on google images for her, and well
    she doesn't seem to be that how shall i put it - attractive.

  20. Re:Gorgeous? by PrvtBurrito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and one wonders why there aren't more geek women...

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  21. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    6) and most important, a girl can be gorgeous in her ideas and behavior

    So, how was your trip down the rivers of Egypt?
    Gorgeous is about looks. This "but she has a great personality" stuff doesn't apply.

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  22. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Which one?

  23. Re:Gorgeous? by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Funny

    "That's a man, baby!" - Austin Powers

  24. Re:Gorgeous? by Joe+Enduser · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Obligatory references to the caricature of the desperate slashdot audience aside, the blatant sexism of refering to this intelligent, witty and inspiring woman as "gorgeous" almost counters that of tagging every article on the front page as "gay" in the sense of a general derogatory term.

    Btw. Slashdot, thanks for fixing that.

  25. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by darkonc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    All you can really tell from the picture is that she's not ugly. As a sometimes photographer, I'd say that they're not particularly flattering pictures.

    I've seen people go from drab to sexy with just a change of clothes. These webcam images say that there's a good bit of room for potential. I definitely not expect a date with her to be drab.

    .... and a freaking school photo! How many hot babes do you know that have ID pictures that make them look like complete blobs? Besides. Intelligence counts for alot, and she seems to be missing nothing there. we can work on the rest later.

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  26. ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess this is funny ???? ?????

  27. You forgot 7 by TCQuad · · Score: 1

    7) Pictures on-line may be hours, days, months or years old and people's appearance will change. Her techsploitation info page has her looking either slightly butch or anime (you gotta have blue hair...).

    So, basically, unless looking at her turns you to stone, let the original poster have his humble opinion and, if you want to disagree, that's fine, but let's not turn this into a discussion over whether this woman is hot or not. There's a website for explicitly for made for that discussion if you're into that sort of thing.

  28. Re:Gorgeous? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    The photos of her almost make me want to stop being a geek *man*.

  29. Oh, of course by Rodness · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It had nothing to do with preventing unauthorized copying. The Hollywood corporations didn't care about that, no sir.

    They were just worried about geeks cockfighting their dvr's and tivos in a parking lot outside Fry's at 2 in the morning. How humanitarian of them.

    This (!gorgeous) woman needs her journalism degree revoked, because this article is ridiculously stupid tabloid trash. Whatever she's smoking, I'd like some please.

    1. Re:Oh, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called fun. You should try it some time.

    2. Re:Oh, of course by Winlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me make formal introductions...Rodness, humor. Humor, Rodness.
      Or, in the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn "It's a joke son, get it?"

  30. Nerd != Fugly; by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it's "Gorgeous nerd". It's relative at that point.

    30 seconds on google image search, NSFW!

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  31. digital rights management by henster29 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Its rights.. not restriction

    1. Re:digital rights management by Shai-kun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's what they want you to think.

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    2. Re:digital rights management by n6kuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's restriction, not rights.
      Rights are inherent; they don't need to be "managed".

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    3. Re:digital rights management by fbjon · · Score: 1
      Rights are inherent; they don't need to be "managed".

      But they need to be enforced sometimes, no?

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    4. Re:digital rights management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, the problem is, that isn't what it stands for.

      Like, for example, just because you -are- a numb-nuts doesn't mean the n in your user name stands for it. See how that works?

    5. Re:digital rights management by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But [rights] need to be enforced sometimes, no?

      No, they don't. In the absence of outside influence, one's rights are maintained. Even criminal law doesn't enforce *rights* - it imposes restrictions upon behavior for which there is no right.

      Anyway, DRM doesn't preserve or enforce any rights. All it does is enforce restrictions that content producers have deemed desirable. Hence the phrase "digital restrictions management", untouched by the marketing wonks at the ??AA.

    6. Re:digital rights management by Alsee · · Score: 1

      But they need to be enforced sometimes, no?

      What does that have to do with DRM?

      Stupid DRM schemes and legal enforcement for DRM itself has nothing to do with copyright enforcement.

      Unless you'd like to explain to me why an innocent noninfringing blind person should be put in PRISON for using text-to-speech software on a DRM'd e-book? And why I, an innocent noninfringing programmer, should be put in PRISON for programming that text-to-speech software and distributing it to blind people? No, that has absolutely nothing to do with enforcing copy rights.

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    7. Re:digital rights management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it you didn't get the memo...

  32. Re:Gorgeous? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some more images here; though sadly the one in bikini is not her. I'm afraid on the "hot or not" scale, it's "not".

  33. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    I'd hit it.

    ...What?

  34. "Looks first" -- even on slashdot by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1

    While I have to agree with everyone who has posted that she doesn't strike me as particularly ravishing, I'm more annoyed with the fact that the submitter has to make any comment at all about her looks. I don't recall any submitted stories that began "Handsome hunk hacker Joe Blow has an article about...". While I'm used to people in the outside world thinking about looks first and substance second, I'm dismayed to find that seems to hold true for slashdot as well.

    It's one thing for comments about people's looks to occur in the comments section. Lord knows there's always tons of comments about that one Mythbusters woman everytime a story about that show gets posted. It's more annoying when some comment about a female geek's looks appears on the front page of slashdot. It's almost as though slashdot is officially condoning that kind of crap.

    I'm curious to know what the lady nerds here thought when they read the summary. You gals think I'm making too big of a deal of this or are you equally disappointed to find that female geeks are judged first on looks and second on substance?

    GMD

    1. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      disappointed to find that female geeks are judged first on looks and second on substance

      I think this speaks more about the lack of substance in this article than about general attitudes toward a person's appearance in regards to the validity of their opinions.

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    2. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's really disgusting when guys immediately jump all over a woman's looks like that, especially on a site like this. I'd argue that the post itself was in the wrong by calling attention to her looks in the first place, because we should just be paying attention to the work she's done rather than the fact that she's an "OMG GIRL!" and immediately deciding if she's hot or not.

      Anyways, speaking as a girl, it's always amazed me when dorky guys rant and rave about how they'd love nothing more than a dorky girlfriend, and then if they actually manage to find a dorky girl who doesn't fit their idea of "gorgeous" they ignore her for somebody who looks better but has a bad personality. Then they always wonder why their relationships never last, and they end up being used...

    3. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 1
      "doesn't fit their idea of 'gorgeous'"
      I think you misspelled "mental".
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    4. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by caffeination · · Score: 1
      There's a nearly identical post elsewhere in this thread claiming the opposite, that the comment proves that Slashdotters are inferior to the rest of the world, as opposed to sinking to their level.

      How about accepting that Slashdot is owned, operated and participated by human beings. All human beings can individually and momentarily be lewd, cruel, rude, selfish, and many other things. Not every one of these moments is 'telling' or 'a sign' or 'typical'.

    5. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I'm a woman and the first thought that went through my mind was "funny how they criticize her looks but don't mention their own". In my experience, guys are quick to shoot down a woman's looks regardless of how good-looking they're not themselves. Frankly, if some pudgy, out-of-shape geek criticizes my looks I can easily fix that problem... with a fork.

      But yeah, the fact that there were comments about her looks made me roll her eyes. I've read articles that had pics of the guy in question and never once made a comment on his looks. Perhaps I will in the future - why shouldn't I?

      Disclaimer: I've just been to a site where 90% of the files to download weren't available because "this entry is not approved". So I'm a bit irritated anyway.

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    6. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey GuyMannDude, I'm a thirtysomething female with a MS in CS. I am disappointed sure but I'm used to it and being such a small minority there's nothing I can do. I only comment as AC on this kind of crap. Also, when you're married/older than them/"not gorgeous" it's not so bad, they don't see you as an object so much. There's still one manager I work with who has a problem with my being there spoiling his nice, all-male, locker room atmosphere though :( When you face real workplace discrimination, it is hard to continue w/ a sense of humor about it sometimes. Being a geek myself, I don't think too highly of most 'normal' women I know. (that new Pink song comes to mind.) Yet, when I meet guys who should recognize a likeminded person, all they see is a $looks_adjective broad. So, I too am a lonely geek. Even though I had dates, and have a husband, I don't have the kind of work friendships the guys enjoy. I would like to not be the only woman at work for a change, so for selfish reasons I wish the emotional-13-yr-olds would shut up, its true they do chase young women off from IT but so does the rest of our post-feminist society.

    7. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by Peaceful_Patriot · · Score: 1

      As a fortysomething female geek, I feel your pain and I appreciate you saying it so well. Thank you.

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    8. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Frankly, if some pudgy, out-of-shape geek criticizes my looks I can easily fix that problem... with a fork

      I know it's sexist, but it's generally a good idea not to fork on the first date. I know it's a great way to keep in shape and everyone wants that fresh forked look, but it's wise to spoon for a while before you move on with the forking, to knifing depending on how things go.

    9. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by hab136 · · Score: 1
      Well, I'm a woman and the first thought that went through my mind was "funny how they criticize her looks but don't mention their own". In my experience, guys are quick to shoot down a woman's looks regardless of how good-looking they're not themselves. Frankly, if some pudgy, out-of-shape geek criticizes my looks I can easily fix that problem... with a fork.

      Two thoughts.. one, I need to find that "sharp knees" picture that they post on fark.com all the time. Basically shows what you're describing, an ugly fat dork commenting that some girl is way below his standards.

      Two, I've observed women do the exact same thing - shoot down average-looking guys when they are ugly fat biatches themselves. It's not a male thing, it's a human thing.

    10. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by stor · · Score: 1

      It's not a male thing, it's a human thing.

      Close! I think you'll find upon closer examination that it's a Wanker thing.

      Cheers
      Stor

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    11. Re:"Looks first" -- even on slashdot by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      If the readership of the site was primarily women yes those descriptions would be used about men. The demographics make up what descriptions will be used. In this case women in tech is a more of a rarity (and dont bullshit about the attitudes of men preventing it, that is just plain silly) so an attrictive woman will be pointed out as such and you are honestly suprised that a group of people that dont generally have the best luck with the ladies would make an offcolor comment about looks. well basically you are fighting a losing battle. The majority on this site are men, simply a fact. Most either dont care about that comment, or thought it was funny. Feel free to pursue a society that doesnt care about looks, but slashdot probably isnt a good starting point.

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  35. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    How many hot babes do you know that have ID pictures that make them look like complete blobs?

    That's a trick question! ;- )

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  36. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's still no Jeri Ellsworth (inventor of C64-in-a-joystick). But maybe someone who can actually make cool hardware is more appealing to me than someone who just knows Linux in-jokes... I guess we can each have our own geek-girl appearance modifiers.

  37. Humor (or lack of sense of) by muchtooold · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Some of these comments suggest that urgent humor transplants are needed.

  38. Digital Rights by Jerf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your digital rights to swing your digital arm ends where my digital nose begins!

    (Digital, digital, didgeridoo...)

  39. Evasive tactic by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hollywood doesn't want the words "fair use" to be uttered to their congresscritters, and they want to draw attention away from the Sony fiasco. This is just an evasive tactic to lend legitimacy to DRM.

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    1. Re:Evasive tactic by smallfries · · Score: 1

      AnalogDiehard doesn't want to read the article, and she wants to draw attention away from the fact. This is just a pre-canned comment with no relevence to the article as a tactic to lend legitimacy to her karma-whoring.

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  40. Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by svkal · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Do the Slashdot editors really feel that introducing a woman by a description of her (in this context irrelevant) physical looks is appropriate? (I say "woman" because I have a hard time imagining that Slashdot would introduce a male with a similar adjective: a case in point is that it was obviously a joke when they commended Linus Torvalds on his physical looks yesterday. If they were to do it in a non-joking manner, that would obviously be just as inappropriate as this.)

    As was pointed out yesterday by several posters, this year's April Fool's was more than a little misogynistic in that it seemed to imply(obviously through exaggerations as Slashdot normally does on April Fool's) that women would like pink and ponies rather than technology news. I'm quite willing to let that slide, knowing that subtle humour is not really Slashdot's forte - but really, they shouldn't push their luck by describing female writers as being "gorgeous" the day afterwards.

    (I do know that "political correctness" is largely frowned upon at Slashdot, but really, this isn't about submitting to some ever-changing and arbitrary standard, it's about basic politeness and showing respect for the people you are describing. You don't bring things like physical looks into the picture unless they are somehow relevant, and you certainly don't set different standards for what is relevant depending on the gender of the person being described.)

    (Oh, and if anyone feels the need to argue that though "gorgeous" in this context obviously wouldn't be said about a male subject - given the gender of the Slashdot editors - it is a harmless one-word compliment which doesn't lastingly change the focus of the discussion: do note that there's already a thread contesting that Ms. Newitz is "gorgeous" based on a 120x130 grayscale picture in her profile. (Which in and of itself confirms some stereotypes about geeks.) Would there be such a thread debating this unless the submitter/editor had seen it fit to mention this in the introduction?)

    1. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Professr3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Excuse me. Allow me to refer to this particular female, then, as Ugly Ms. Newitz. We wouldn't want to compliment a person just because they look attractive, now would we? Especially if the compliment couldn't, in good faith, be given to a guy. I'm sure nobody ever called Brad Pitt gorgeous, no sir! I shall make certain that all the Slashdot editors are sacked, and then sacked again.

    2. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had originally planned on writing an extremely well-thought-out reply, but then an idea struck me that was so powerful I just had to write it here instead:

      OMG! Ponies!!!!

      P.S. On a more serious note, if you want to see slashdot articles with men described as "gorgeous" therein, why don't you just submit one yourself? Just a thought. :P

    3. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by eluusive · · Score: 1

      Incase you didn't notice, the "editors" don't write the stuff in quotes. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a quote, by definition. Some dude named Roberto used that adjective.

    4. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Copy,+Paste,+Repeat · · Score: 0, Troll

      You're fighting a losing battle. Slashdot is a forum for slovenly males who don't know/don't care how to get along in wider society, much less wider society that cares about such irrelevancies as being polite and having a little class. Apparently that's the way they like it, so don't come here expecting anything else. It's a little like going into a men's locker room and complaining about all the dicks.

    5. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus is a fatty and one of those Finns who talks funny with long words with too many vowels and umlauts over everything.

    6. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by svkal · · Score: 1
      If Slashdot was a celebrity magazine, physical looks would be - in a sense - relevant. As it is, I'd be surprised if they referred to Brad Pitt as "gorgeous" if they've ever mentioned him, and I would think them unprofessional if they did. However, Brad Pitt is, at least partly, paid to look pretty - so commenting on whether or not he does in the context of his films is not really horribly impolite, though I would certainly feel it awkward and out-of-place in many different contexts. This woman is a writer; her physical appearance is as irrelevant to the issue as that of a programmer, or for that matter, a Slashdot comment writer.

      (As an aside, I'd say that Slashdot is sort of a "celebrity magazine" or a tabloid for geeks in that they are sensationalistic and oversimplify things for entertainment purposes - but still, focus on physical looks haven't been one of their vices until now. I'll be perfectly content to just find something else to read if this does become permanent policy. I note, however, that several other readers reacted to this superfluous description much as I did, so I'm not entirely alone in thinking that this would be a change for the worse.)

      (Oh, and you'll note that my issue was not in particular with giving a compliment, but with bringing up the issue of physical looks when it is irrelevant. Thus, calling someone ugly is just as bad as calling them gorgeous when it is inappropriate - though, obviously, societal norms make the former a far worse faux pas.)

    7. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like someone needs a good deep-dicking.

    8. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by svkal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fair point. But if the editors do occasionally edit(though I do know that's in question), they did make a choice by leaving it in there. Furthermore, they accepted the story, so it's not unreasonable to say that they have a bit of editorial responsibility.

    9. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by caffeination · · Score: 1
      Being unable to laugh at others is just as bad as being unable to laugh at oneself.

      While your personal standards are largely none of my business, I can tell you that for Slashdot they are too high.

      DELETE Stick FROM Ass WHERE Who = 'you';
    10. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      It's a goddamn compliment, for cryin' out loud! Have you become so sensitive to the feelings of women that you can't compliment them anymore? Give it a rest.

    11. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by caffeination · · Score: 1
      In whose "wider society" are compliments or even crudeness looked down on? If anything, the submitter demonstrated that he's more 'normal' than the average Slashdotter, in being able to casually refer to a woman's physical beauty.

      Fuck you, you elitist snob. (I imagine we're freaks for getting pissed off at those who insult us too, right?)

    12. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by cgenman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To be fair, it wasn't the slashdot editor but the story submitter that referred to the author in that way.

      Likewise that introduction would be obviously inappropriate if the author's story was about an OpenSSH vulnerability or a commentary on the sad state of Windows Vista. In that case writing about physical appearances would be an irrelevant distraction which would imply judgement of factual nature of the article in question based upon the physical appearance of the person. Whether or not that judgement is positive isn't important.

      But on a farcical story about cockfighting roombas that line isn't very clear. Can a comedian be demeaned by references to her appearance? Are they making less relevant a story that is already, at core, irrelevant? It again implies a degree of judgement, and a reminder of the prevalant nature of physical judgements in this culture. (I might add, the most insidiously judgemental people about women's appearances are largely other women)

      I personally would have edited out the reference to her "gorgeousness." But the question remains... In a non-serious, non-professional context, is it OK to slip in an irrelevant compliment about someone looks?

    13. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Before the parade of guys comes in ripping on the parent poster, I wanted to make a small comment.

      I have a friend who is a former figure-skater and an otherwise knockout bombshell blonde. She's smart, witty, catty, and has legs that could stop an artillery shell. She also loves computers, and was working on finishing up a degree in Computer Science while working in IT.

      That is, until all the geeks chased her out.

      Asking her to crawl under a desk to fix a cable whenever she'd wear a skirt (never on the jeans days), making lewd comments 'just out of earshot', and all kinds of other crap nominally pulled by thirteen-year-old boys.

      She got tired and left for the other side of the business world. Makes more money, and doesn't have to put up with the juvenile bullshit.

      So, guys, listen up -- you want more geeky women, you've got to treat them like human beings, and not like sex objects.

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    14. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Copy,+Paste,+Repeat · · Score: 0

      Uh, backhanded compliments--like implying her looks are really all that matter--are routinely looked down on in the "real world," at least among people who shower on a regular basis. But go on defending the crudeness here if you still don't have a clue.

    15. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by pomo+monster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A backhanded compliment, implying that a woman's beauty is in any way relevant to the content of her writing. If you can't see why this is a putdown, then there's really no hope for the Slashdot demographic.

    16. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      news for nerds, what do you expect ?

    17. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your friend is so witty and smart then maybe she'll learn not to wear skirts to work. I know several women in IT and none of them ever wear skirts.

    18. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Crudeness is many times defined by being something that is socially unacceptable. So, when I read your above statement ( "In whose "wider society" are compliments or even crudeness looked down on?"), I get really confused.

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    19. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Cheviot · · Score: 0, Troll
      Do the Slashdot editors really feel that introducing a woman by a description of her (in this context irrelevant) physical looks is appropriate?


      But dude, she is hot!
    20. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by pHatidic · · Score: 1

      It would normally be inappropriate, except for the fact that she writes about sex for a living makes her kind of an exception.

    21. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "As was pointed out yesterday by several posters, this year's April Fool's was more than a little misogynistic in that it seemed to imply(obviously through exaggerations as Slashdot normally does on April Fool's) that women would like pink and ponies rather than technology news. I'm quite willing to let that slide..."

      How very noble of you, and we're all so grateful for that, but you overlook that the April 1 page, being recognized by everyone including yourself as a parody of sites for young women, that they do indeed really prefer pink more often than men. I took it as more of a light-hearted jibe at the stereotypically anti-tech culture of most pre-adolescent females, but then my skin has been self-flagellated to paper thinness with the PC whip.

    22. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      ...and next you would like to ask that geeks would drop their fanboy attitude to various tech subjects :))

      To be fair, it is simple because geeks sees real life [tm] girls very rarerly. To learn how to talk with the girl, even is she is your work colegue, is very time consuming task. Too much time consuming. Don't expect standard geek spend time on this.

      I learned several heavy lessons with all this. First, hardcore geeks won't get laid, period. It simply won't happen. So if you dig both - tech and girls - simply don't spend *all* the time at the front of computer. Make something out of yourself. Write hikes, lyrics, whatever. Learn to speak. Just live, not only compute.

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    23. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by StanSmith · · Score: 1

      Ah, the safe haven of the non-sexist business world welcomes another refugee to it's protective bosom.

    24. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not a thing you wrote rings true. "Other side of the business world"? I work both and there is no other side, just the same distribution of assholes. She wore short skirts working IT, knowing the physical work entailed? She worked IT just for Comp Sci geeks who chased her from the field? None of the narrative, what little there is, makes any sense. It's a bullshit moral fable on a topic which doesn't need artificial stories to justify itself.

    25. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Stalyn · · Score: 1

      Sorry sir but there is no place for meta-commentary on Slashdot. I suggest you take your pseudo-intellectualism and go here

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    26. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      I thought my (just-turned) 13 yo neice would get a kick out of Slashdot because of the OMG PONIES, she did. She now has it bookmarked because she liked reading the REAL articles. So, it's JUST as mysoginistic to think that women OR men, would NOT like Slashdot because of the colours and the OMG PONIES.

      Case in point, she asked where the pink went.

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    27. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly she wore skirts because of the aforementioned legs, as is her birthright. Society works on the princple that women with good bodies get ahead of the ones who don't. If you can't deal, join the Taliban.

      I'm sure the guys in business school didn't treat her with anymore respect for her "bombshell" mind. It's just that they are operating on the level of 18-year-old cocky jockos rather than 13-year-old virgin D&D players.

    28. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what makes that funny? The fact that your nick looks the same as Porno_Monster.

    29. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by svkal · · Score: 1
      I didn't write at length about the April Fool's joke because it wasn't the primary subject of my post. I found it clumsy and somewhat sexist because it identified "the female demographic" as, just as you described, "pre-adolescent females". (This implication is taken from the original post with which the pink design was introduced. Specifically, the complement to the set "males", which Slashdot is said to be disproportionaly skewered towards, is "females", not merely the pre-adolescent ones, so unless one is willing to equate the two groups to some degree(beyond "same biological gender"), the switch to unicorns and cuteness is nonsensical.)

      The sexism in that joke, however, is subtle and probably entirely unintentional, which is why I was "willing to let [it] slide." (I'm unsure about what your problem with this phrase is.) Though I didn't personally find it very offensive, however, I did read several comments from people who did find it bad enough to warrant a comment.

    30. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by svkal · · Score: 1
      I'll readily admit both that a mature 13-year old of any gender who is interested in technology might find Slashdot an interesting read, and that - on average - 13-year old girls tend to be more interested in pink and ponies than the rest of the population at the moment. You're missing, however, the rather important point that not all women are 13, and that your niece might not appreciate ponies and unicorns quite as much in ten years.

      I'm glad that your niece found a website she liked, but I really don't think it's misogynistic to postulate that the average woman's interests do not necessarily coincide with the average 13-year old girl's interests. (In fact, many would label an assumption of the opposite as exactly that.)

      (I realize now that "misogynistic" was a poor choice of words for describing the April Fool's joke, anyway. It was probably not intentionally sexist, which is what the word tends to imply.)

    31. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by pomo+monster · · Score: 1

      Why do you think I've kept it all this time? :-)

    32. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful
      As was pointed out yesterday by several posters, this year's April Fool's was more than a little misogynistic [...]

      You use that word a lot. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      Mysogyny is an aversion or hatred of women. I have a six year old daughter, and believe me, the "PONIES" stuff was a pretty good (if way, way too obvious to be a prank) parody. But it doesn't signify mysogyny in any way.

      Similarly, describing Ms. Newitz as "gorgeous" may be clumsy, insensitive and more than a little bit objectifying, but it's hardly mysogynistic. The overwhelming majority of single straight male slashdotters don't hate women, they just don't get them (in more ways than one).

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    33. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, heh. You said "bosom".

      -- J. Random Business-Arsehole

    34. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by LMariachi · · Score: 1

      You're probably thinking of Andrea Nemerson, who writes the "alt.sex" column that often appears opposite Newitz' "Techsploitation" column in the SF Bay Guardian.

    35. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by svkal · · Score: 1

      As I said in another part of the thread, I agree that this was a very poor choice of words. Sexism and misogyny are related, but certainly not equivalent. (I only used the word once in that post and I know what it means, but I suppose one should never waste an opportunity for a Princess Bride reference.)

      As a minor point, though the definition of misogyny might indeed be stated as a "hatred of women", the distinction is not as clear-cut or as obvious as you make it out to be. If one were to seriously underestimate the entire female gender to the point of believing that women are all enthralled by ponies and pink, I would deem that misogyny even if there was no conscious hatred involved. (As another example, I would call August Strindberg a misogynist, even though he obviously could rationalize his beliefs to himself beyond mere hatred, which - by itself - is irrational.)

      However, I agree that it is very improbable that there was any misogyny involved in the Slashdot joke - the clumsy execution of the joke merely left it slightly sexist, which I suppose was the word I was looking for.

    36. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Where in the text of the story does it imply that?

    37. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by mattOzan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      In mentioning the attractiveness of Ms. Newitz, Slashdot isn't really breaking any ground here. She was named one of the top ten sexiest geeks of 2005 by multimediatrix and sex educator Violet Blue.

      I'm sure she is lurking here and taking it all in stride. An accomplished journalist, she writes about techno-sexuality herself all the time--just take a look at some of her published pieces:

    38. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jealous?

    39. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by stor · · Score: 1

      Would there be such a thread debating this unless the submitter/editor had seen it fit to mention this in the introduction?

      I was with you 100% until I got to this part.

      The answer is "Unfortunately, yes".

      Cheers
      Stor

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      "Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
    40. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a joke when they commended Linus Torvalds on his physical looks yesterday. If they were to do it in a non-joking manner, that would obviously be just as inappropriate as this.

      So you're saying this woman is as ugly as Linus Torvalds? I don't think that's a very nice thing to say...

    41. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think its about time you take the blood soaked rag from out your nether-region, take an extra strength advil (or 2, or 12) and call it a day!

      either that or just tie the noose and I'll kick that soapbox out from under your feet.

    42. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by David+Rolfe · · Score: 1
      I generally agree with what you've said. Even though it's an editor's job to edit, the words weren't the editor's. Just because they are lazy and don't want to do "their jobs" doesn't mean they (necessarily) endorse the language of the submitter.

      But that aside. Commentary on one's appearances goes against the very grain of our culture. I say our to mean the fundemental meritocracy of nerds, "geeks", hackers, etc.


      This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals.
      We explore... and you call us criminals.
      We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals.
      We exist without skin color, without nationality, without
      religious bias... and you call us criminals.

      You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.

      Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.

      I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto.

      +++The Mentor+++, excerpted from "The Conscience of a Hacker" (1986)
      (emphasis my own)

      That's why the article submission was offensive to me (maybe offensive is too strong a word). I believe that's why it's sparked this discussion.
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    43. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by eluusive · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, I have no problem with it. I'd rather see the april fools article. What I rather dislike is every whooping idiot on her calling the girl ugly. She might not be the smoothest thing about, but she's not ugly, and how would any of them like to have their image dissected on girldot.org? I'd be a fair bet that most of these guys whoopin' about don't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger did when he was 20.

    44. Re:Meta-commentary: "Gorgeous" really relevant? by mattOzan · · Score: 1
  41. O.M.G. by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this really such a slow news day that this is news?

  42. Re:Gorgeous? by GerbilSocks · · Score: 1

    All women are beautiful.

  43. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by munehiro · · Score: 1

    ok ok... I saw much better, but also much worse.
    Her eyes are really beautiful, though.

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  44. Did someone have too much to drink yesterday? by Ka+D'Argo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Cause this sure as hell is not "news" of any kind. Mod me down if you want but this was a waste of fucking time to read. Decently hot chick or not, the article was bogus as hell. Who gives a rats ass about this? Sure fighting robots is cool, but some half assed non-true tagline that is full of shit is not cool in the least.

    Is it a slow Sunday or what? Is this the best that's come into the old Inbox today?

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  45. Re:Gorgeous? by munehiro · · Score: 1

    Just guessing, but probably this is what she is going to reply to the slashdot crowd relatively to this thread :DDD

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  46. Ummm by Parham · · Score: 1

    I have absolutely no idea what that article was about. Whenever I thought something insightful was about to be said I was disappointed. Can someone actually tell me what that article was about (if anything)? Was it meant to be a joke article? What was the point of it?

  47. Not anymore! by BumpyCarrot · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    That's the last time I do anything in a backalley with a vacuum cleaner and a cock, hur hur hur...

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  48. Re:Gorgeous? by dapyx · · Score: 1
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  49. ...boring, stupid, etc. by Refrozen · · Score: 1

    With the tagging system, we can tag this garbage as stupid! Maybe they'll realize we don't care.

  50. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you read Slashdot, you've already read Annalee Newitz's columns about 3 months before they come out. If that doesn't give you a limp penis, you're probably a homo.

  51. The loud ones by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

    Like in many things, I suspect it's the negative stuff that gets noticed. That, and the fact that there are a HUGE number of immature geeks on slashdot. I'm not slamming the whole crowd here ... but with this many people and anonymity you'll get a lot of gits turning up.

    I cringe at comments quite frequently, but there's just nothing to be done beyond grimace and stagger onward. In an anonymous online situation the chances are that if they said something dodgy in the first place they're not going to care if you pull them up on it.

  52. Huh? by FullCircle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone have a clue WTF this article is about?

    If the summary is that bad, I'm not about to click the link.

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    1. Re:Huh? by slappyjack · · Score: 1

      If the summary is that bad, I'm not about to click the link.

      wow. afraid to click a /. link. I mean, i know the bits are expensive, but geez.

      it's tongue in cheek humor. get some.

  53. Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was thinking more along the lines of "fat-assed, hook-nosed kike", but YMMV.

  54. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't fuck her eyes. Only her eye sockets.

  55. Re:Gorgeous? by bitt3n · · Score: 1

    OK, time to log off WoW for a few moments and catch your breath.

  56. Gorgeous?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  57. Re:Gorgeous? by BaldingByMicrosoft · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up please, since I was beaten to the punch.

    Oh five-digit member number, I salute thee.

  58. LAME! NO PONIES!!! by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TFA is useless! No kittens! No ponies! No fluffies!

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    help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am

    1. Re:LAME! NO PONIES!!! by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      April 1st is over. The joke is old. Like hot grits, Soviet Russia, and beowulf cluster, let it go man.

  59. Knew it had to be a joke... by TheRealBurKaZoiD · · Score: 1

    ...as soon as I read the first four words: "Gorgeous nerd Annalee Newitz"

  60. wasted time by lophophore · · Score: 1

    what a crock of shit. I am so pissed I followed the link.

    Damn you Cowboy Neal.

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  61. Forget about that - why call her a "nerd"? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    Annalee Newitz a "nerd"? This is a woman who, after a visit to New York City, actually wrote a column fretting about how difficult it was to figure out the New York subway system. I mean, come on. Maybe it would be more appropriate to introduce her as "pony-loving Annalee Newitz..."

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  62. It's official: Slashdot has jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's sad when an entire discussion on the dangers of DRM descends into a debate on the relative "hotness" of a woman shown in a 120x130 grayscale picture.

    1. Re:It's official: Slashdot has jumped the shark by revscat · · Score: 2, Informative

      The debate is not and never has been about whether or not she is hot. It's about how that is even relevant.

    2. Re:It's official: Slashdot has jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The debate is not and never has been about whether or not she is hot.

      Really? Try browsing the comments on this story at +1.

      Many of the first comments that were posted here were specifically discussing the merits of her appearance and were initially modded up to +2-+4.

    3. Re:It's official: Slashdot has jumped the shark by Cthefuture · · Score: 1

      Hey, the article summary started it on the freaking front page. That provided the bait.

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    4. Re:It's official: Slashdot has jumped the shark by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 1

      "entire discussion on the dangers of DRM"

      You mean a story about fighting vacuum cleaners and the possible leap to nonmobile DVD players.

      I don't really know if that's much of a descent...

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  63. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... and a freaking school photo! How many hot babes do you know..

    You must be new here.

  64. Hmmm, reminds me of German... by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

    This article reminds me of German. You have a sentence and about 3/4 of the sentence is a build up to the end of the sentence. Sort of like saying "The answer is 2*34-28+2, 42", instead of saying, "The answer is 42". This is why I labor trying to read any German book!!

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    1. Re:Hmmm, reminds me of German... by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 1

      This article reminds me of German

      please don't equate something you don't understand, "a German book", with confusing,"a poorly written article"

      Just because you "labor" while reading a book in German does not mean there is anything wrong with that book, nor does it mean that there is anything wrong with the German language! (as you seem to imply).

      A poorly written article is a poorly written article (independent of the language)

      On a side note I would really like to understand the logic behind why something is a der, die, or a das: das auto + die bahn = die Autobahn? == subject for another thread

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    2. Re:Hmmm, reminds me of German... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      I see the Grandparent's point. There is a particular style of writng Germans tend to use. What's more, many of them carry the style over when they write English - it's very easy when you've seen it a few times to recognise.

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    3. Re:Hmmm, reminds me of German... by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      On a side note I would really like to understand the logic behind why something is a der, die, or a das: das auto + die bahn = die Autobahn? == subject for another thread

      Words have genders. In German, there's 3 of them...and you have to learn it for each word separately, although there are some ground rules.

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    4. Re:Hmmm, reminds me of German... by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      Being a German who speaks three languages let me say that there is plenty wrong with the German language. Any text that I write in English is about 25% longer in German.

      It is not that German cannot be improved upon. I have seen a few books written in a popular style (eg Gabor Steingart) that is similar to English. When German is written in a popular style it is shorter and much easier to read and digest.

      About the der, die, das, well that is gender like another poster said and my wife struggles with it all the time. Is there a logic? About as much logic as there is in English or French... It makes sense to the native speakers who were born in the language, but baffles those who have to learn the language.

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  65. Yeah but. . . by kimvette · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can I buy a Roomba and reprogram it to think it's a pony? OMG!!!

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  66. That's not the only Roomba game... by Megane · · Score: 1
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  67. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit bitching like a woman.

  68. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by SpacePunk · · Score: 1

    That all depends if she puts out or not.

  69. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah women really hate it when you call them pretty. pfft.

    if a girl thinks she looks ugly, you say she's pretty. if she thinks she's stupid you say she is smart. no wonder you nerds cant get laid.

  70. Damn, you must be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...as ugly as hell to lay out this tripe commentary of your insecurity. :P

  71. Digital Slavery. by twitter · · Score: 1
    Your digital rights to swing your digital arm ends where my digital nose begins!

    I'm not sure what you think you own. Good luck having a thought that has not been published in the last 100 years. RMS won't try to stop you from using the above phrase, but others will keep you from using equally common phrases and words. Then again, your view of what such an original thought entitles you to is skewed. Slaves frequently and paradoxicly side with their masters and direct the ire of their condition at their would be benefactors with comments that resemble yours.

    Copyright has nothing to do with natural rights and everything to do with artificial restrictions. Copyright, in the US, is supposed to be a temporary exclusive franchise granted to the creator of a work. There is nothing natural about exclusive franchises and the framers of the US constitution hated them. They made a careful balance between such an odious restriction and encouraging publishers back in the very expensive days before machine produced paper and ink. Fourteen years. These restrictions should have gone down with the higher rewards, lower costs and risks of modern publishing.

    Digital Restrictions are even more odious restrictions. This is because your DRM'd DVD player never has to give up the things copyright law expects eventually and it can enforce things no lawmaker could ever pass. The only thing worse than DRM is the raft of bad laws that make DRM and whatever a device maker decides into defacto laws.

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    1. Re:Digital Slavery. by Jerf · · Score: 1

      I was having fun. Half the mods got it.

      Digital, digital, didgeridoo... all ones and zeros, but what about two?

  72. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only if you roll higher than or equal to her armor class. ..What?

  73. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmm, looks like a ball-busting lesbidike to me.

  74. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Hey makeup and lighting can work miracles... I've seen photos of Princess Ann where she looked like an absolute honey!

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  75. About Sony AIBOs by twitter · · Score: 1
    It's a joke, until you consider the raft of mod chipping cases from the DMCA and similar stupid laws. The AIBO case is most pertinent. Sony gave up because the cease and desist notices were bad for business. The law was and is on their side. I'm too fed up with the mean spirited crackers and gougers portrayed to be more than mildly amused by the joke and think the topic is too important to be made light of like that.

    If you can't make a computer do what you want, you don't really own it. As computers become part of everything, it becomes possible for you to not own anyting. There's more to be worried about than appliances and vehicles. Your books, private photographs, recordings, and public records may all one day be owned by others.

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  76. Glad I'm not the only one..... by TomHandy · · Score: 1

    Thought it might just be me, but the summary seemed almost incomprehensible to me...... I think I get the gist of it, but the phrasing seemed to be so awkward that it was almost impossible to figure out.

  77. In related news... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    the RIAA and MPAA joined forces to have one global association called MAFIAA (Music And Film Industry Association of America).

    About time someone came out with this joke :)

  78. New "real reason" of the day by heroine · · Score: 1

    Every day there's a new "real reason" for DRM. There is one reason which always seems true no matter what the daily fad is. DVD players are $40 because you can download DVD players for free. Blu-Ray players are $1800 because you can't download Blu-Ray players for free.

    1. Re:New "real reason" of the day by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

      My computer only has an old CD/RW drive in it since I have been too cheap to buy a DVD drive for it, which occasionally inconveniences me when I would like to access files stored on a DVD, so I would love to get one of these free, downloadable DVD players you mention. Please provide a link.

  79. Re:Gorgeous? by SilentChris · · Score: 1

    It's not her fault (she didn't say she was gorgeous, some random guy did), but IMO people can be held accountable for their beauty.

    For example, people say I'm articulate, have a solid sense of humor and am pretty good with computers. If anyone said I'm "handsome" I'd immediately shoot them down because I'm not. I wouldn't want people to even remotely consider that part of my attribute list, because people meeting me would inevitably be disappointed.

    Considering beauty is a measurable, sellable quality in business (Think how much models make -- and for what? Moving around and staring at a camera?), being "meat" has some value in our society. As one shouldn't say "I can fix computers" on a resume when they can't, one shouldn't be known for beauty when they're not.

  80. Who qualifies? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Well, while there are a goodly number of geek males that would qualify as acceptable. The range of ones that would qualify as gorgeous (to females, or gay males I suppose) are probably rather smallish. However, were there to be a geek of bodybuilder scale, I wouldn't mind at all if it were mentioned as many here seem to equate that brains and brawn must run opposite to each other (or in the case of females, brains and beauty).

    In my books, it's always nice to see geeks who can qualify as both intelligent and attractive. Not that it should comprise a whole topic of discussion, but at least they serve to show that you don't have to compromise in one area to develop another.

    1. Re:Who qualifies? by svkal · · Score: 1
      Perhaps. However, I tend to see the idolisation of "geek girls" considered to be attractive as rather problematic. (I see a general tendency for such idolisation, not just a one-off case with this journalist. This tendency is probably rooted in male(and straight) geeks at least partly tending to long for an opposite-sex equivalent of themselves, which is probably quite natural. Furthermore, as some media personalities seem to brand themselves very deliberately(and sometimes unconvincingly) as "geek girls", probably seeking to cater to the male geek demographic, I tend to be a bit skeptical of the idolisation of "geek girls" that are presented explicitly as such, rather than simply arising naturally as the union of the sets "geeks" and "girls".)

      Firstly, it seems to me to imply that attractive "geek girls" are exceptional cases - implicitly expressing that other intelligent girls are, as you say, compromising in one area in order to develop in another.

      The second, and most important, point is the lingering implication that these girls' physical attractiveness needs to be mentioned. Even if RMS, Linus Torvalds, or Bill Gates(just to have all the factions covered) were extremely attractive, having them described regularly as such in anything other than the most joking fashion would get old after a very short while: complimenting them in this area(from the context of a random reader of technology news - I'm not arguing that it's somehow wrong to compliment them on their beauty in the appropriate contexts in their personal lives) would be awkward because they would quite rightly be expecting a discussion of their achievements, rather than one about how they look. In other words: discussing the messenger rather than the message devalues the message(and thus the messenger in his or her capacity as that).

  81. Trusted computing by RickPartin · · Score: 1

    Since nothing interesting is going on in the comment department for this slashdot article, this is a neeto video on trusted computing I found on Youtube.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=K1H7omJW4TI

  82. So what is acceptable? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Well, at our last company Christmas gathering we had a little get-together with a gift exchange (or rather, a gift lotto). It was mentioned that several women at our main office had been wishing that they could have more painting projects as apparently one of our painters had a rather nice butt.

    They awarded him a little name plaque attesting to his nice-assedness at Chistmas. Now if the environment were totally PR, or likely if he were a woman, this would have caused problems. However, as a guy he blushed a bit and really didn't seem that bothered. Personally, if it were me being nominated for nice-assedness (or having women ask me to get on a ladder to reach that "missed spot up there") I would take it as more compliment than insult.

    As for the geeks... well it's not geeks chasing her out, it's juvenile males. Certainly I have no objections to striking female figures at work, and between my various locations there are quite a few to whom I'm always happy to trade a smile and hello. I wouldn't, however, go attempting to put somebody in an uncomfortable position, and if such a thing was happening it would be dealt with be management if mentioned.

    So really, I wouldn't pin the problems on geeks in general, but rather the fine line between what's acceptable for the various genders, and how well it's controlled. And given that I don't wear my white-collar-and-tie for the very reason that I do some under-desk-crawling amongst the dust-bunnies, perhaps a skirt really isn't the best attire for a workplace where such activities can be required. I personally prefer to save my sleeveless shirts, ass-hugging jeans, and various other clothing for outside of my workplace.

    1. Re:So what is acceptable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Certainly I have no objections to striking female figures at work"
      Whoah, Dude, they let you hit women at work?

    2. Re:So what is acceptable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That whole story is a lawsuit waiting to happen. You can pretend it's acceptable because nobody complained, but someone could easily take that event to the bank.

    3. Re:So what is acceptable? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      They awarded him a little name plaque attesting to his nice-assedness at Chistmas. Now if the environment were totally PR, or likely if he were a woman, this would have caused problems. However, as a guy he blushed a bit and really didn't seem that bothered. Personally, if it were me being nominated for nice-assedness (or having women ask me to get on a ladder to reach that "missed spot up there") I would take it as more compliment than insult.

      That's because you're confident that your position is based primarily on your ability to do the job, not your tight ass. It wasn't so long ago that women were viewed as decoration with no real value in an organization. Some places, that's still true. You'll know that the battle of the sexes is finished when you can say 'nice ass' to a woman in your job and not have to worry about her taking it in a demeaning manner.

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  83. What? by blueapples · · Score: 1

    Is this supposed to be funny? Sad what passes for comedy these days.

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  84. two things: by nowhere.elysium · · Score: 1

    1 - this article is bollocks 2 - i'm sure that all of you slashdotters out there are such paragons of beauty that you have the right to rip this lass apart, based on some mugshots? having seen the recent conduct of some people on here, i'm wondering why i even bother reading this anymore.

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  85. She wore skirts?!?!?!?! by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    "Asking her to crawl under a desk to fix a cable whenever she'd wear a skirt (never on the jeans days)"

    She wore skirts when she knew that her job would sometimes entail climbing under a desk?!?!?!?! Your friend simply dressed inappropriatly for her job. She was a hypocrate for complaining. You were kidding right? She didn't really wear skirts to a job that required climbing under a desk did she?

  86. Amazing... by Wolface · · Score: 1

    Simply amazing, all +5 comments are about this 'IT Woman' thing. Not even one +5 comment about the frikkin article!

    Seriously guys, you are screwed up.

  87. [OT] The "gay/!gay" tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It really makes /. look like the domain of a bunch of (pre)pubescent boys. Can you imagine coming here for the first time (presumably as a mature human being) and seeing a front-page story tagged "gay?"


    I don't know if anybody thinks Slashdot has journalistic/editorial integrity of any sort, but this kind of thing undermines even the illusion of being a serious news-and-discussion site. Geez...


    Oh well. I've been around here too long to expect better. :-)

  88. Official Publishers by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Insightful

    DRM, like "two tier Internet", copyright abuse, IP lockdowns, domain name tyranny, and all kinds of corporate grabs of virtual property rights, are certainly means to a primarily political end. Even severely asymmetrical broadband, stymied 3G, and proprietary software requirements. The goal is to protect an official publisher class from encroachment by hordes of merely populist entrants, like you and me. 20th Century politics depends on special deals between political incumbents and media for mutual self-perpetuation. Leveling the playing field for incumbents and new, more diversified entrants who can fill all the niches more efficiently, is bad for everyone who's already got power.

    That's why we find the same people on each side of each of those apparently different conflicts. Prosumers are the wave of the future, but the powers that be are hyperextending the "long now" as late as possible.

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  89. All women are gourgeous... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    ...until you get to know them.

    BTW: How about posting your own mug so we can all sit around and judge you?

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  90. Leggy Supermodels and Stinky Geeks by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    In a non-serious, non-professional context, is it OK to slip in an irrelevant compliment about someone looks?

    Sure. if it's relevant. When Bob Cringely interviews gorgeous supermodel Anina about mobile application development, that she's gorgeous is essential to the niche she occupies (and I back her use of "wee-fee" networking)

    Or when Peter Quinn gets disgusted by the hoardes of stinky unkempt FLOSS nerds in Cambridge, it's relevant.

    But when Slashdot starts posting stories about "Hunky Linus Torvalds" releasing the 2.6.17 kernel, that's just over the line.

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  91. Whiskey Tango FOXTROT. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Gorgeous nerd Annalee Newitz..."

    http://www.alternet.org/images/managed/Columnists_ tech.jpg

    You, sir, need to get a cock.

    What the fuck.

  92. Re:Gorgeous? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

    She can take it out on the submitter who called her "gorgeous". Probbaly one of her buddies taking the piss.

  93. Re:Gorgeous? Take beer goggles off please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too Right!
    I just wanted to provide you with an extract of my favorite song at the moment: Ugly - the Sugababes

    People are all the same
    And we only get judged by what we do
    Personality reflects name
    And if I'm ugly then so are you
    So are you

    What a bunch of blind shallow (yes, shallow) ninnies!

  94. Drink some cheap swill and shut it by linzeal · · Score: 1

    It is called a 5 dollar 12 pack of beer or 1 dollar 40's. In some countries they make a limit on how cheap alchohol can be, not in the US.

  95. Re:Gorgeous? by stor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why don't you post some pics of yourself and we'll let her comment?

    Do you dudes wonder why you don't get laid? When you put a woman down like that it shows off your ego for the nanoparticle that it is.

    This isn't "Women 101": this is the test you need to pass to get into Women 101.

    Cheers
    Stor

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  96. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that all?

  97. Re:Gorgeous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're forgetting, it's really "gorgeuous jewish nerd".

    We're entering "dry water" or "a quick tortoise" domains of relativity here.

    In most other cases, "gorgeous" rarely evokes nausea and vomiting.

  98. DVD players have DRM? by sven_eee · · Score: 1


    DVD players have DRM ? This is news to me.

    [sVen]

  99. Re:Gorgeous? by Alsee · · Score: 1

    one wonders why there aren't more geek women

    Because most women shower.

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  100. Humor... by jejones · · Score: 1

    ...is best left to professionals.

    Long ago, Rich Hall appeared on the Larry King show, and Larry suggested that people call in with suggestions for sniglets (which, you'll recall, are words that should be in the dictionary but aren't, that are supposed to have funny definitions, e.g. "elaccelleration, the belief that pushing the elevator button more times will speed it up").

    The segment failed miserably. People's suggestions were not at all funny.

    It was at that point I realized one advantage of being a programmer: everybody believes him/herself funny, but not everybody believe him/herself to be a programmer. Programmers don't get told at parties, "Hey, check out this great sort routine I wrote--you'll really like it."

  101. Re:Gorgeous? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    "and one wonders why there aren't more geek women..."

    Oh please. This has nothing to do with whether or not she is a geek. My point was, the submitter called her gorgeous when judging from other peoples responses, she clearly IS NOT (at least according to mainstream definitions of physical attractiveness). That was why I made my comment.

    And if your comment was trying to say that women as a whole are driven away from geeks because they make these comments...well, NEWSFLASH! Most guys would make that same comment, not just geeks. In fact I think I phrased it rather gently compared to what a lot of other people were probably thinking.

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  102. it's whatever we want to call it by idlake · · Score: 1

    What we call things is up to us, the users of the English language. There is no reason to call something by a name pushed upon us by corporate propaganda machines--the RIAA doesn't own the English language.

    If we want to call this technology "Digital Restrictions Management", it's bloody well our right to do so.

  103. Re:Gorgeous? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    Why don't you post some pics of yourself and we'll let her comment? Do you dudes wonder why you don't get laid?

    The comments are prompted by the description "gorgeous". I know exactly what I look like, and it isn't that, and I never claimed to be. But despite that somehow I do get laid, since you ask.

  104. Re:Gorgeous? by Tweekster · · Score: 1

    so wouldnt comments from morons prevent women from doing any job... because those comments exist in every form of work by some idiots

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  105. Looks? You've got to be kidding... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks don't play a part here. The woman in question is not pretty, let alone gorgeous. Thick glasses and Breznev-style eyebrows don't spell beautiful to me, at least.