I'd like to point out your pro-Nintendo spin here. I don't think you even realize what you are writing.
You dismiss Ridge Racer for having a large save. You call Xbox saves "bloat saves" because a few do not fit on a memory card. The flip side of this is that because of Nintendo's decision to severely limit the size of their MC, there are titles thay cannot ever possibly be released on Gamecube. Here is where you spout the standard apologist line of "well we don't want that game anyway". Thats cute, but more games is better. Nintendo's choices created this problem. A bigger save file allows more options to be saved. Having more spaces allows games to offer more customization. Nintendo's choices took that away from you. And YOU blame Microsoft and Sony for empowering developers with enough storage. (What a suprise, I see R: Racing Evolution from Namco has been released on Xbox and PS2, but not yet Gamecube, I wonder what the holdup is.)
I didn't get into 3rd-party hardware because I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. I'm only demonstrating the choices Nintendo made and how they affected you. To rival the space on a Sony or MS memory card, you would need 17 MC 59's. But that only works if you want to save 17 different games. You should be insulted, but you are not. That makes me smile.
I'll leave you with this. Animal Crossing had to come with its own MC because the game takes one whole card. I'll round down to 50 blocks to allow for overhead, so thats 400kb. Is that bloat too? Or is that standard only applied to non-Nintendo games? Imagine what the game could have been if the MC 1019 was available at that time. Nintendo's choices...
Not all people, but Americans for sure. For the pokemon fans out there, this product, is free in Japan. Stateside its $20. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, because your last post demonstrated that you are willing to defend Nintendo through anything, but merely suggesting you look around. (Ironically, they call it a "bargain price". Its not a bargain when you compare it to free.)
Early adopters always get the shaft period
No, early adopters always pay more, but they do not always get the shaft. The technology existed to make the MC 1019 for launch. We have had the capacity to test with them for a very long time now. Nintendo just decided not to make them available forcing you to purchase multiple MC's. Of all the hardware makers, only Nintendo made this decision. THAT is getting the shaft.
Someone needs to bring up the bigger issue here. Why is this MC just barely coming out now? At launch in the US there was only the MC 59. This retails for $20. A while later they released the MC 251 for $25. Now they have the MC 1019 for $30. 17 times the storage for only $10 more? Noone else sees this as problematic? The PS2 has had an official 8MB card since launch. The Xbox has had that size as well AND included a HD in the first place.
The ones who got screwed here? Nintendo's early adopters. How do they get away with this? I don't see how anyone in good conscience can defend this behavior. This isn't 1989 when they might have to invent a bigger cart just to ship a new game. The technology has clearly been available, they just chose to screw with their biggest fans knowing they would get away with it.
Well I'm sure this will get modded down fast, even though once again its only facts. At least try to dispute this before you wield those mod points.
That's weird. Because none of what you just said here was in your original post. Also weird is that I have never once heard god used as the justification for the policy. That statement you just made is brought about merely from your bias against certain groups prohibiting you from questioning your own beliefs. Using racist stereotypes also helps your point.
Precisely, how did what happened in the aftermatch of Ms. Jackson's indiscretion affect your freedom? Please give something specific.
Yes, because its always in the best interest of our state to do what other states want us to. Is that really the main point of your arguement? That we should form policy under the threat of being laughed at?
The market is still very risky for investors in all sectors. For example, if you had invested $300,000 in the stock with ticker LNUX at its high on 9/9/99, you could have purchased 937.5 shares. If you would have sold them at the closing price yesterday, you would have cashed out with a cool $2,137.50. Thats not profit, thats all you would have left. Now I am not an investment advisor, but I don't think that beats inflation.
Those are all historical facts, not forward looking statements. When will these tech companies stop toying with the economy?
Except the damning proof is being able to view the variables. You would still have a hunch that something was wrong, but not the proof. My point stands.
Actually I read the thread and sorta thought the opposite. IF the game had never come out on PC, noone would have been able to prove there was a bug. No outrage, no nothing. Another reason for devs to stick to consoles...
I don't have the full version yet, but I just double-checked in the demo and it appears you can set the difficulty on a per level basis. Is this true? If so, just play through a whole level without loading. Don't save and load after each enemy you manage to sneak by. That doesn't strike me as very 'expert' of a tactic.
Buy the game or don't buy it. This bug sucks, but is not a showstopper at all. A game deleting your boot sector when it is uninstalled, now thats a bug. The guy claiming to find the bug didn't shy away from making wild demands or promoting himself as a savior to gamers either. What a turnoff.
All of those have models or background elements that are 3D. The gameplay is in a 2D plane, but the graphics aren't. Whoops. Metal Slug is strictly 2D, so no PS2.
So the "hardcore" get to determine development schedules now? This is quickly spiraling into the absurd.
We make fun of DNF, and fairly, because it was shown, screenshots released, etc. long ago. This is fair. The people involved did this to themselves. Doom III and HL2 are now catching some of this heat, and this is fair as well since they were both at their third E3 this year. HL2 is even worse for already being bundled with a video card that will be a generation old when the game is finally released.
But here we have a group of people trying to play it low. The game has technically been announced and thats it. Who is clamoring to see this game so bad that they are disappointed its not be shown yet? Who is being harmed so much that the press is reporting on a game that doesn't yet exist and claiming the disappointment could harm the title? That is absurd. Absurd that people feel this way, absurd that the press is reporting it.
#1 Chill out. #2 You are not that important.
Don't be a dick just because your arbitrary notion of what a publisher or developer should deliver when is not met. Don't trash the game because you downloaded the leaked "alpha" and it doesn't run well on your system. Being "hardcore" and waiting around for the next big thing should not be something that makes you proud. If you identify yourself as hardcore, you are already about as lame as anything I can imagine. Absurd.
Factually, SCEA is the death of 2D on consoles. You cannot release a new 2D game on the PS2 in America. You can release a collection of old games, but not a new one. For reference: most recently Metal Slug being Xbox exclusive.
Cue this guy to give us another rant about boycotting companies that layoff employees.
Ah choices. You can either manage your company aggressively and effectively, meaning sometimes hiring then laying off seasonal employees, or watch it all go bye-bye. When this happens, noone wins. Except EA. And to me there is nothing worse then EA winning.
Wow, you win the award for most insane post on the internet today.
Well, I hoped you liked playing games because its a thing of the past for you if you are boycotting companies that lay people off when a project is done because thats all of them. On second thought, I'm sure you'll still find a way to play the games without paying because you seem like such an upstanding citizen.
Is it unclear to anyone why this happens? Company needs to accomplish X. People are hired to accomplish X. X gets accomplished. People hired to accomplish X need to be reallocated. If there is no Y, people are reduced. Its the way the industry works. Not just video games, entertainment as a whole. You think Jerry Seinfeld is still sitting around making episodes of his show? No, the project ended. Yes it sucks, but everyone involved knows the deal before they start. I find E3 uncomfortable because I see so many people who used to work here working for other companies. It hurts, but thats how it goes.
Look at the credits for any game and I'd wager from 30-50% of the names there are contract workers or outright temps. Not to mention what can happen when an independent developer is poorly managed. *shudder* You should consider yourself a temp every day you go to work, even if you are the CEO. Its just the way the game of games is played.
Movies don't have source code. Maybe this is reference to the actors or some other part of the making of the movie? Open source Natalie Portman here we come.
Uh-oh, here comes the thought police. I'm flamebait even though I provided a link to counter-proof of the parent's claims? I didn't get flamed either, all I got in response was two anecdotes. Anyone care to explain how my previous post was flamebait?
In summation: Didn't draw flames, provided hard evidence...all the other side can do to shut me up is mod me down. Viva La Slashdot!
Got any proof of this actually happening to a photographer, or it this just more leftist FUD? I can find plenty of photos of potential "targets" such as bridges without even leaving my chair.
To be fair, you might have been listening to an oldies station, as is usually the case when someone complains in whole about new music. You might possibly just be getting old.
So EULA's are aggressive and the GPL is passive-aggressive. Its still an EULA if the End User has to Agree to a License to do something like "Modify...the Program or its derivative works."
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I'd like to point out your pro-Nintendo spin here. I don't think you even realize what you are writing.
You dismiss Ridge Racer for having a large save. You call Xbox saves "bloat saves" because a few do not fit on a memory card. The flip side of this is that because of Nintendo's decision to severely limit the size of their MC, there are titles thay cannot ever possibly be released on Gamecube. Here is where you spout the standard apologist line of "well we don't want that game anyway". Thats cute, but more games is better. Nintendo's choices created this problem. A bigger save file allows more options to be saved. Having more spaces allows games to offer more customization. Nintendo's choices took that away from you. And YOU blame Microsoft and Sony for empowering developers with enough storage. (What a suprise, I see R: Racing Evolution from Namco has been released on Xbox and PS2, but not yet Gamecube, I wonder what the holdup is.)
I didn't get into 3rd-party hardware because I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. I'm only demonstrating the choices Nintendo made and how they affected you. To rival the space on a Sony or MS memory card, you would need 17 MC 59's. But that only works if you want to save 17 different games. You should be insulted, but you are not. That makes me smile.
I'll leave you with this. Animal Crossing had to come with its own MC because the game takes one whole card. I'll round down to 50 blocks to allow for overhead, so thats 400kb. Is that bloat too? Or is that standard only applied to non-Nintendo games? Imagine what the game could have been if the MC 1019 was available at that time. Nintendo's choices...
Once again, all facts.
Not all people, but Americans for sure. For the pokemon fans out there, this product, is free in Japan. Stateside its $20. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, because your last post demonstrated that you are willing to defend Nintendo through anything, but merely suggesting you look around. (Ironically, they call it a "bargain price". Its not a bargain when you compare it to free.)
Early adopters always get the shaft period
No, early adopters always pay more, but they do not always get the shaft. The technology existed to make the MC 1019 for launch. We have had the capacity to test with them for a very long time now. Nintendo just decided not to make them available forcing you to purchase multiple MC's. Of all the hardware makers, only Nintendo made this decision. THAT is getting the shaft.
Someone needs to bring up the bigger issue here. Why is this MC just barely coming out now? At launch in the US there was only the MC 59. This retails for $20. A while later they released the MC 251 for $25. Now they have the MC 1019 for $30. 17 times the storage for only $10 more? Noone else sees this as problematic? The PS2 has had an official 8MB card since launch. The Xbox has had that size as well AND included a HD in the first place.
The ones who got screwed here? Nintendo's early adopters. How do they get away with this? I don't see how anyone in good conscience can defend this behavior. This isn't 1989 when they might have to invent a bigger cart just to ship a new game. The technology has clearly been available, they just chose to screw with their biggest fans knowing they would get away with it.
Well I'm sure this will get modded down fast, even though once again its only facts. At least try to dispute this before you wield those mod points.
Who is possibly excited about playing whatever dim shadow of Halo could be crammed into a GBA?
That's weird. Because none of what you just said here was in your original post. Also weird is that I have never once heard god used as the justification for the policy. That statement you just made is brought about merely from your bias against certain groups prohibiting you from questioning your own beliefs. Using racist stereotypes also helps your point.
Precisely, how did what happened in the aftermatch of Ms. Jackson's indiscretion affect your freedom? Please give something specific.
Yes, because its always in the best interest of our state to do what other states want us to. Is that really the main point of your arguement? That we should form policy under the threat of being laughed at?
The market is still very risky for investors in all sectors. For example, if you had invested $300,000 in the stock with ticker LNUX at its high on 9/9/99, you could have purchased 937.5 shares. If you would have sold them at the closing price yesterday, you would have cashed out with a cool $2,137.50. Thats not profit, thats all you would have left. Now I am not an investment advisor, but I don't think that beats inflation.
Those are all historical facts, not forward looking statements. When will these tech companies stop toying with the economy?
Except the damning proof is being able to view the variables. You would still have a hunch that something was wrong, but not the proof. My point stands.
Actually I read the thread and sorta thought the opposite. IF the game had never come out on PC, noone would have been able to prove there was a bug. No outrage, no nothing. Another reason for devs to stick to consoles...
I don't have the full version yet, but I just double-checked in the demo and it appears you can set the difficulty on a per level basis. Is this true? If so, just play through a whole level without loading. Don't save and load after each enemy you manage to sneak by. That doesn't strike me as very 'expert' of a tactic.
Buy the game or don't buy it. This bug sucks, but is not a showstopper at all. A game deleting your boot sector when it is uninstalled, now thats a bug. The guy claiming to find the bug didn't shy away from making wild demands or promoting himself as a savior to gamers either. What a turnoff.
Microsoft does nothing. Details at 11.
All of those have models or background elements that are 3D. The gameplay is in a 2D plane, but the graphics aren't. Whoops. Metal Slug is strictly 2D, so no PS2.
So the "hardcore" get to determine development schedules now? This is quickly spiraling into the absurd.
We make fun of DNF, and fairly, because it was shown, screenshots released, etc. long ago. This is fair. The people involved did this to themselves. Doom III and HL2 are now catching some of this heat, and this is fair as well since they were both at their third E3 this year. HL2 is even worse for already being bundled with a video card that will be a generation old when the game is finally released.
But here we have a group of people trying to play it low. The game has technically been announced and thats it. Who is clamoring to see this game so bad that they are disappointed its not be shown yet? Who is being harmed so much that the press is reporting on a game that doesn't yet exist and claiming the disappointment could harm the title? That is absurd. Absurd that people feel this way, absurd that the press is reporting it.
#1 Chill out.
#2 You are not that important.
Don't be a dick just because your arbitrary notion of what a publisher or developer should deliver when is not met. Don't trash the game because you downloaded the leaked "alpha" and it doesn't run well on your system. Being "hardcore" and waiting around for the next big thing should not be something that makes you proud. If you identify yourself as hardcore, you are already about as lame as anything I can imagine. Absurd.
Factually, SCEA is the death of 2D on consoles. You cannot release a new 2D game on the PS2 in America. You can release a collection of old games, but not a new one. For reference: most recently Metal Slug being Xbox exclusive.
Cue this guy to give us another rant about boycotting companies that layoff employees.
Ah choices. You can either manage your company aggressively and effectively, meaning sometimes hiring then laying off seasonal employees, or watch it all go bye-bye. When this happens, noone wins. Except EA. And to me there is nothing worse then EA winning.
Wow, you win the award for most insane post on the internet today.
Well, I hoped you liked playing games because its a thing of the past for you if you are boycotting companies that lay people off when a project is done because thats all of them. On second thought, I'm sure you'll still find a way to play the games without paying because you seem like such an upstanding citizen.
Is it unclear to anyone why this happens? Company needs to accomplish X. People are hired to accomplish X. X gets accomplished. People hired to accomplish X need to be reallocated. If there is no Y, people are reduced. Its the way the industry works. Not just video games, entertainment as a whole. You think Jerry Seinfeld is still sitting around making episodes of his show? No, the project ended. Yes it sucks, but everyone involved knows the deal before they start. I find E3 uncomfortable because I see so many people who used to work here working for other companies. It hurts, but thats how it goes.
Look at the credits for any game and I'd wager from 30-50% of the names there are contract workers or outright temps. Not to mention what can happen when an independent developer is poorly managed. *shudder* You should consider yourself a temp every day you go to work, even if you are the CEO. Its just the way the game of games is played.
Movies don't have source code. Maybe this is reference to the actors or some other part of the making of the movie? Open source Natalie Portman here we come.
Uh-oh, here comes the thought police. I'm flamebait even though I provided a link to counter-proof of the parent's claims? I didn't get flamed either, all I got in response was two anecdotes. Anyone care to explain how my previous post was flamebait?
In summation: Didn't draw flames, provided hard evidence...all the other side can do to shut me up is mod me down. Viva La Slashdot!
Got any proof of this actually happening to a photographer, or it this just more leftist FUD? I can find plenty of photos of potential "targets" such as bridges without even leaving my chair.
No astroturfing on /. please. And its spelled Xbox, not XBox.
To be fair, you might have been listening to an oldies station, as is usually the case when someone complains in whole about new music. You might possibly just be getting old.
What happens when the game publisher alledges the IP owner let the brand go to shit? Make a crap game, licensing fees go up in real-time, let the original go to crap, licensing fees go down in real-time. Both parties are accepting significant risk so just write it into the contract. Sounds like good business to me.
So EULA's are aggressive and the GPL is passive-aggressive. Its still an EULA if the End User has to Agree to a License to do something like "Modify...the Program or its derivative works."
Wow, talk about your arbitrary distinctions.
It doesn't matter how many eyes look at it. Who owns what is not up to the "community" to decide.