Its very interesting to me that someone from a New Zealand domain is so concerned about American politics. Its doubly interesting when that person claims that without US IP law (blah blah I just don't feel like typing it all out everytime), American entities cannot compete in the "free market".
My question is, how does what American entities do affect you, and why do you care? Can entities from your country (not just NZ but any other) not compete against the American entities in your local markets?
If they cannot I would say that is a testimony in favor of the American IP system. If the American IP system leads to such innovation that the only way to compete with it is to tear it down and sell it to the lowest bidder, that actually says alot.
Is this a comment on this SCO issue? Not really, just my thoughts on your currently +4 comment. In summary, if other entities cannot compete with American entities, maybe those peoples should be looking within instead of without for reasons and solutions rather than attacking a system that actually gets results.
Did everything right, except that whole business side. If all the "big name companies" followed this lead, and went out of business, no games would be made. Its an interesting statement about the community that you perceive a complete lack of games as "heaven".
I once cause a yellowfin. The boat captain smacked it in the head and put it in this giant cooler. A little while later I heard the sound of something thrash about inside the cooler. I looked inside but the fish was dead.
After reading about this device, I heard that sound in my head.
I didn't say anything about the legality of it. I am just recommending against you recommending someone mess with a government group with Secret for a first name if YANAL. There are plenty of ways the government can mess with you that 1. are outside the court system and 2. are completely constitutional. There are some fights that can't be won and there isn't much gained by taking their picture.
Looking up the powers of the Secret Service I found this:
What are the rules for the printing, publishing and illustrations of U.S. currency?
The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:
1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated; 2. the illustration is one-sided; and 3. all negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof are destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use.
Title 18, United States Code, Section 504 permits black and white reproductions of currency and other obligations, provided such reproductions meet the size requirement. See Know Your Money for more information.
So basically, even if you did it once, you'd have to destroy your printer and delete any storage medium used to make it. Secret Service wins, good game!
Another quality troll torpor, but cmon, at least get the basic facts right. Say it with me everyone: THE DMCA WAS SIGNED IN 1998 BY YOUR BOY BILL CLINTON. The one called W had nothing to do with it.
Silly me, I always forget that for the left the world started on Sept. 12th 2001 so how could you possibly know that?
E3 is not for consumers. If you don't want to hear the buzz, don't listen. E3 is for publishers and other vendors to present their products to retailers. E3 is an industry trade show that is not open to the public. If you are disappointed by something that occurs based on E3, you have noone to blame but yourself.
Now, something announced in a press release is another matter entirely.
I wouldn't be so certain about being able to photograph secret service agents and I wouldn't be so quick to advise someone to do it. Especially if YANAL.
Well, then for the sake of this arguement #1 in war and movies. And if one is #1 in war, one is pretty much #1. Now that that is out of the way, care to dispute the main point that no help is offered or implied so it is illogical to count on it?
That aside, as an American, I can tell you first hand that things are pretty good. I have an apartment 2 blocks from the beach, a great job, a giant SUV, cable TV, I gain weight everyday from the abundance of food available and affordable, the sky is clearer day after day here in LA. All that and I barely earn above the "poverty line". Its brutal being an American. But hate on, you just prove my point recursively about the pre-hate and no help being offered or available in the first place.
100% agreed, but none of that was covered or even implied by the grandparent. The grandparent only said absolutely that because everyone is downloading it, it must be crap. This I do not agree with, nor find insightful. The moderation is the real tragedy.
Its not beyond the help at all. Notcie though that my post was not the grandparent. The grandparent post was already against America. And thats ok. I am just of the opinion that when you are #1 in anything, everyone else is out to get you. This is easily proven with a short look throughout history. And #1 doesn't get any help. So without a specific threat, I remain indifferent to minor threats, such as the grandparent post. So I will galdly restate my position, if you don't want to come to America, as an American I welcome and embrace your position. Are we beyond the help? No. Would it even available in the first place? Not to read the grandparent. So why should I pretend to care about help that you only pretend would be offered?
People "swapping" all of that music is a response to it being crap? That is the most illogical thing I have ever heard. Demand is through the roof so it must be crap? High demand would seem to hint otherwise, unless you are in the camp that being popular makes it crap, I guess. Now, I agree being popular doesn't make it quality, but likewise it doesn't make it crap either. I gotta say, if this is the new math, that high demand means something is crap, I'll take my good old math please.
Part of your problem is your first sentence. You should not be looking for the Slashthink definition of words, but instead try sites like Dictionary.com or maybe your country's code to find their definition of "Trademark". This is much more relevent to the discussion that the "Slashdot definition."
P.S. Unless you are at least an appeals court judge what you "consider" to be doesn't mean jack, you self-important twit.
If you go to a restaurant and ask for a Coke and they give you a Pepsi without telling you, that is a problem. My guess is this case is somewhere in the middle. The searcher is looking for Playboy by name, the engine profits by distracting from Playboy by using their name. So its a type of switch, specifically profiting from someone else's rightfully held trademark. Interesting and not nearly as clear-cut as slashthink wants it to be.
OR maybe we should take your "expert" analysis with a grain of salt. Anyone that matters knows that it is always Xbox, never "XBox". Now, I could excuse a typo here and there, but your pathological error indicates, that just maybe, you don't know anything about anything. XBOX is acceptable if the font in use does not contain lowercase characters.
Before your next "venture", you would be wise to take steps to make it more difficult to expose you as just another internet loudmouth.
As an American I can safely say that is fine with me. There are plenty of people here already so you can consider your position accepted and reciprocated in full. Have a nice day!
It makes me sad that you don't have any faith at all in the older generation. Some cultures revere the elderly for their vast life experience and knowledge. You seek to discredit this man prejudiciously. I want to believe that, physical limitations aside, age does not prevent anyone from doing anything. This is clearly a cerebral activity rather than a physical one and I do not put it automatically past anyone's skill to be able to do this.
Just to play devil's advocate, and hopefully get an expert opinion on the issue...
Is it possible that this commonly held belief is actually untrue? Written another way, if I have waived some of my copyrights (in this case permission to copy and redistribute) under a license that is later found to be unlawful, do I still retain copyright? That is to say, has a similar case been tried in another medium.
To use a rediculous example: I give you permission to copy and redistribute a photograph I took under the condition that you shoot my neighbor.* Now knowing that this would soon prove illegal, you plead your case in court. Could it be possible that a judge would rule both 1. you retain rights given to you by me 2. you don't have to shoot my neighboor?
I'm sure even asking is sacriledge, but I'm interested in actual cases, not what Groklaw says, not what the new kid in IT says, actual tried cases. Does anyone have links to where I could look at this stuff? People like the above poster repeat what they say as fact, but I have not yet seen actual proof. Call me the suspicious type I guess.
*This is not to imply that the GPL is deadly or that sharing source is murder or even that murder is bad. This is just an example of an obviously illegal contract for someone to take as reference. This should also not be construed as myself agreeing with KISS or mplayer.
Someone responded to your other post below about this. It robbed bandwidth for everyone in attendance shutting down the entire event. I don't know how familiar you are with computers, but in layman's terms...the stuff on the screen wouldn't look right and the dudes couldn't hit stuff. Now, I guess they could have just shut down the CS part of the tournament, which is what eventually happened, but that still leaves the question...why are you so quick to apologize for Valve's decisions? If CS were not part of the equation, we would not be having this discussion.
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Its very interesting to me that someone from a New Zealand domain is so concerned about American politics. Its doubly interesting when that person claims that without US IP law (blah blah I just don't feel like typing it all out everytime), American entities cannot compete in the "free market".
My question is, how does what American entities do affect you, and why do you care? Can entities from your country (not just NZ but any other) not compete against the American entities in your local markets?
If they cannot I would say that is a testimony in favor of the American IP system. If the American IP system leads to such innovation that the only way to compete with it is to tear it down and sell it to the lowest bidder, that actually says alot.
Is this a comment on this SCO issue? Not really, just my thoughts on your currently +4 comment. In summary, if other entities cannot compete with American entities, maybe those peoples should be looking within instead of without for reasons and solutions rather than attacking a system that actually gets results.
AND remember that this would be a civil case, not a criminal case as per your example. The standard of proof is much lower.
Did everything right, except that whole business side. If all the "big name companies" followed this lead, and went out of business, no games would be made. Its an interesting statement about the community that you perceive a complete lack of games as "heaven".
I once cause a yellowfin. The boat captain smacked it in the head and put it in this giant cooler. A little while later I heard the sound of something thrash about inside the cooler. I looked inside but the fish was dead.
After reading about this device, I heard that sound in my head.
I didn't say anything about the legality of it. I am just recommending against you recommending someone mess with a government group with Secret for a first name if YANAL. There are plenty of ways the government can mess with you that 1. are outside the court system and 2. are completely constitutional. There are some fights that can't be won and there isn't much gained by taking their picture.
Yeah, it was supposed to be a joke, notice the HOLY CRAP headline. Informative indeed.
Looking up the powers of the Secret Service I found this:
What are the rules for the printing, publishing and illustrations of U.S. currency?
The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:
1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;
2. the illustration is one-sided; and
3. all negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof are destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use.
Title 18, United States Code, Section 504 permits black and white reproductions of currency and other obligations, provided such reproductions meet the size requirement. See Know Your Money for more information.
So basically, even if you did it once, you'd have to destroy your printer and delete any storage medium used to make it.
Secret Service wins, good game!
Another quality troll torpor, but cmon, at least get the basic facts right. Say it with me everyone: THE DMCA WAS SIGNED IN 1998 BY YOUR BOY BILL CLINTON. The one called W had nothing to do with it.
Silly me, I always forget that for the left the world started on Sept. 12th 2001 so how could you possibly know that?
E3 is not for consumers. If you don't want to hear the buzz, don't listen. E3 is for publishers and other vendors to present their products to retailers. E3 is an industry trade show that is not open to the public. If you are disappointed by something that occurs based on E3, you have noone to blame but yourself.
Now, something announced in a press release is another matter entirely.
Actually, under the 4th amendment no judge is required. Re-read that thing one more time...
I wouldn't be so certain about being able to photograph secret service agents and I wouldn't be so quick to advise someone to do it. Especially if YANAL.
Well, then for the sake of this arguement #1 in war and movies. And if one is #1 in war, one is pretty much #1. Now that that is out of the way, care to dispute the main point that no help is offered or implied so it is illogical to count on it?
That aside, as an American, I can tell you first hand that things are pretty good. I have an apartment 2 blocks from the beach, a great job, a giant SUV, cable TV, I gain weight everyday from the abundance of food available and affordable, the sky is clearer day after day here in LA. All that and I barely earn above the "poverty line". Its brutal being an American. But hate on, you just prove my point recursively about the pre-hate and no help being offered or available in the first place.
100% agreed, but none of that was covered or even implied by the grandparent. The grandparent only said absolutely that because everyone is downloading it, it must be crap. This I do not agree with, nor find insightful. The moderation is the real tragedy.
Its not beyond the help at all. Notcie though that my post was not the grandparent. The grandparent post was already against America. And thats ok. I am just of the opinion that when you are #1 in anything, everyone else is out to get you. This is easily proven with a short look throughout history. And #1 doesn't get any help. So without a specific threat, I remain indifferent to minor threats, such as the grandparent post. So I will galdly restate my position, if you don't want to come to America, as an American I welcome and embrace your position. Are we beyond the help? No. Would it even available in the first place? Not to read the grandparent. So why should I pretend to care about help that you only pretend would be offered?
People "swapping" all of that music is a response to it being crap? That is the most illogical thing I have ever heard. Demand is through the roof so it must be crap? High demand would seem to hint otherwise, unless you are in the camp that being popular makes it crap, I guess. Now, I agree being popular doesn't make it quality, but likewise it doesn't make it crap either. I gotta say, if this is the new math, that high demand means something is crap, I'll take my good old math please.
I don't understand, is that a threat?
Part of your problem is your first sentence. You should not be looking for the Slashthink definition of words, but instead try sites like Dictionary.com or maybe your country's code to find their definition of "Trademark". This is much more relevent to the discussion that the "Slashdot definition."
P.S. Unless you are at least an appeals court judge what you "consider" to be doesn't mean jack, you self-important twit.
Not but...
If you go to a restaurant and ask for a Coke and they give you a Pepsi without telling you, that is a problem. My guess is this case is somewhere in the middle. The searcher is looking for Playboy by name, the engine profits by distracting from Playboy by using their name. So its a type of switch, specifically profiting from someone else's rightfully held trademark. Interesting and not nearly as clear-cut as slashthink wants it to be.
And certain other OS's haven't been hacked? This is something where "more secure" is not secure enough.
OR maybe we should take your "expert" analysis with a grain of salt. Anyone that matters knows that it is always Xbox, never "XBox". Now, I could excuse a typo here and there, but your pathological error indicates, that just maybe, you don't know anything about anything. XBOX is acceptable if the font in use does not contain lowercase characters.
Before your next "venture", you would be wise to take steps to make it more difficult to expose you as just another internet loudmouth.
Ha ha. Pwned.
As an American I can safely say that is fine with me. There are plenty of people here already so you can consider your position accepted and reciprocated in full. Have a nice day!
It makes me sad that you don't have any faith at all in the older generation. Some cultures revere the elderly for their vast life experience and knowledge. You seek to discredit this man prejudiciously. I want to believe that, physical limitations aside, age does not prevent anyone from doing anything. This is clearly a cerebral activity rather than a physical one and I do not put it automatically past anyone's skill to be able to do this.
And if you are and American Citizen I suggest you read this.
Shame on you.
Just to play devil's advocate, and hopefully get an expert opinion on the issue...
Is it possible that this commonly held belief is actually untrue? Written another way, if I have waived some of my copyrights (in this case permission to copy and redistribute) under a license that is later found to be unlawful, do I still retain copyright? That is to say, has a similar case been tried in another medium.
To use a rediculous example:
I give you permission to copy and redistribute a photograph I took under the condition that you shoot my neighbor.* Now knowing that this would soon prove illegal, you plead your case in court. Could it be possible that a judge would rule both 1. you retain rights given to you by me 2. you don't have to shoot my neighboor?
I'm sure even asking is sacriledge, but I'm interested in actual cases, not what Groklaw says, not what the new kid in IT says, actual tried cases. Does anyone have links to where I could look at this stuff? People like the above poster repeat what they say as fact, but I have not yet seen actual proof. Call me the suspicious type I guess.
*This is not to imply that the GPL is deadly or that sharing source is murder or even that murder is bad. This is just an example of an obviously illegal contract for someone to take as reference. This should also not be construed as myself agreeing with KISS or mplayer.
Someone responded to your other post below about this. It robbed bandwidth for everyone in attendance shutting down the entire event. I don't know how familiar you are with computers, but in layman's terms...the stuff on the screen wouldn't look right and the dudes couldn't hit stuff. Now, I guess they could have just shut down the CS part of the tournament, which is what eventually happened, but that still leaves the question...why are you so quick to apologize for Valve's decisions? If CS were not part of the equation, we would not be having this discussion.
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