The message to the end user (spammer customer) is still the same - spammer sends them hefty bill and customer gets an annoying 1-800 number that has to be manned. Customer realizes spam does not work. Spam karma.
I may not be directly involved but not trying to sound crass or anything but... this is a war. People are getting killed. Pictures are taken of prisoners that are hurt and wounded. Let me repeat - this is a war, ugly things happen. this is exactly what happens during a war - Geneva convention or not this is reality. I don't like it and nobody does but... people are being killed everyday as happens in a war.
This is such a neat concept. Put up an image filled page that contains something that nobody wants to look at. Put the page on/. and see how fast people leave the site thus negating the/. effect. Taco is just playin'.
The other side of the story is the guy that gets called to repair that spyware ridden machine - ME. I make a living (albeit rather meagre) from fixing mostly spyware and virus machines. I sit on the fence on the issue because I sure hate it but it brings in the bucks. I am confident that if spyware were to disapear, something else just as insidious would come along to need fixing.
I will aggree that localised (?) one-to-one has been around a while, but the size of this project is the where it gets interesting. How many Indigo presses get used for this type of project as opposed to the 5-10 split runs out of a 50,000 run that are more of the norm. This is a leap in that each issue is a separate image and has to be treated as such instead of "the run for X region and the run for Y region". Publishers should and will take notice and start to demand the same treatment for their own magazines. It just seems to me that a real world application like this is what will make the marketing people take note of the ability of the printing equipment and how they can use it to their benefit. In the printing world, this is the hot thing but outside of the printing world it is not very exiciting until this type of stunt wakes people up to the possibilities.
This may be "easy" technically, but in practice it is a very large job. Digital printing has been able to do this for a while but the logistics has been difficult. Putting a sticker with the address on it after the run and during the shipping process has been the norm since the subscription idea started. A major magazine doing it with a 40,000 person database is a big deal. This may be the start of all the pipe dreams of personalized one-to-one advertising that have been around the printing industry for years.
When the original fines were levied, I figured that monetary demands were not capable of slowing MS down. Cringely puts it very well that the power can not change hands with the court system, MS has it figured out. The only 2 ways I see this being resolved is with actual demands by the courts (do not sell another product in our country until you meet these criteria) or with another competitor to usurp them. >>Now I can see where the zealout part of Linux comes in.
Not sure what you are talking about. I am Canadian. Music download ruling yesterday. Any of this ringing a bell? BTW, yes I do have a Canadian flag on my pack.
Sucked-in again. This is the reason that I set my filter at AC-6.
Not sure if I aggree with you but very well put. Bummed out that I can't retort but that is good because I will have to think about it, which is why I'm here.
MODDERS - Mod comments like the poster up. We shouldn't be here for speed, but instead for good discussion.
Don't get too excited just yet. Wouldn't want all the UFO nuts to get all jumpy from the discovery of methane. We still know very little about how or why it is there. This is fascinating stuff but the whole reason is not to just find life on another planet. There are tons of things to explore on mars and I think that if we get into this loop of only looking for life we may miss some other things that will be discovered.
Is it possible that this is a contamination issue from the original setup on earth? Could this have travelled with the spaceship to mars? I have heard rumours of NASA employees that have resorted to eating only brown beans due to budget restrictions. Is this a science issue or a budgetary issue?
Although I do agree with you, it is the speaker that is the one in question. Just being anti-MS because of their size is not right, but when this statement is used, you can be sure that they can make it happen. Linux ad on every visit to the net - stop dreaming. MS ad every visit - hold on I can see that being possible. The fear is that it can come true and probably will come true because they can make it come true.
If anybody sees the usage policy involved, they would certainly think twice. Media Player 9 only, need connection for first time played, must be played within 120 days to activate, can only burn CD's with Media player 9, cannot burn in any other format. Is this the norm? I can't believe people would not be put off by this.
This may be off topic but I am writing this before it is out to everybody else without a subscription. Not trying to get a FP or anything, just wanted to show that the subscription is not unhackable. Not much of a hack - just came accross it. Letting out this info could harm/. so I am willing to keep it to myself, well maybe for a nominal fee, I could be persuaded.
Check your knees - they seem to be jerking a lot. Adobe didn't stop you from using this. You can use the product for as long as you want, there will just not be any updates. You could put this on an OS9 machine and use it for years. Just saying that there will be no upgrades, does not mean they stop you from using it. Save your closed source arguments till they are justified.
I have to agree with you. Some publishers may not like it going but it hasn't been used in the printing industry for years. I didn't even know it was still around, what with Quark battling it with Indesign and Pagemaker. I am not sure what Framemaker did well enough to have people still using it anyway? Does anybody know what niche this product filled?
This seems like an oxymoron, but how come this torrent is so slow with this many people supposedly on it? Is there a limit to how many a torrent can hold? Can somebody that is not as clueless as me explain this please.
Spamming may not be a crime by itself but the methods used by spammers (e.g. a virus that captures X number of boxes for relays) certainly is. It is time that these criminals get their day in court. I may not be the first to say that spamming is not illegal but their practices of preying on the Mom and Pop cable modem user is breaking many laws. These people are acting as criminals and should be treated as such. If they want to send all their spam without spoofed addresses and from identifiable domains, there is no reason they should not be allowed to (legally). With that method, I can whitelist their domain and those that don't whitelist can get their spam.
My point was that it was not a definite "do it now!". This has to go throught the appeals with the fine and after ? years they may be ordered to deliver a new version without media player. By the time this is settled in the courts, the problem will have become moot as they will then have "Happy Deluxe media player" installed.
I did not see a mention of the removal of media player. Is a fine the only recourse the EU has? Can they not see that cash is not something that will hurt MS but stripping windows down is? *sigh* Another slap on the wrist for a company that buys their way out of any legal troubles yet never addresses the real problems.
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The message to the end user (spammer customer) is still the same - spammer sends them hefty bill and customer gets an annoying 1-800 number that has to be manned. Customer realizes spam does not work. Spam karma.
I may not be directly involved but not trying to sound crass or anything but ... this is a war. People are getting killed. Pictures are taken of prisoners that are hurt and wounded. Let me repeat - this is a war, ugly things happen. this is exactly what happens during a war - Geneva convention or not this is reality. I don't like it and nobody does but... people are being killed everyday as happens in a war.
I'm with you. I don't want to have to put real crap on a machine unless absolutely necessary, e.g. bomb threat, man with gun, summons from SCO...
Worst...video...ever 2 guys ordering pizza nuf said
This is such a neat concept. Put up an image filled page that contains something that nobody wants to look at. Put the page on /. and see how fast people leave the site thus negating the /. effect. Taco is just playin'.
The other side of the story is the guy that gets called to repair that spyware ridden machine - ME. I make a living (albeit rather meagre) from fixing mostly spyware and virus machines. I sit on the fence on the issue because I sure hate it but it brings in the bucks. I am confident that if spyware were to disapear, something else just as insidious would come along to need fixing.
http://www.2600.com/ Hacker/phreaker magazine/website
I will aggree that localised (?) one-to-one has been around a while, but the size of this project is the where it gets interesting. How many Indigo presses get used for this type of project as opposed to the 5-10 split runs out of a 50,000 run that are more of the norm. This is a leap in that each issue is a separate image and has to be treated as such instead of "the run for X region and the run for Y region". Publishers should and will take notice and start to demand the same treatment for their own magazines. It just seems to me that a real world application like this is what will make the marketing people take note of the ability of the printing equipment and how they can use it to their benefit. In the printing world, this is the hot thing but outside of the printing world it is not very exiciting until this type of stunt wakes people up to the possibilities.
This may be "easy" technically, but in practice it is a very large job. Digital printing has been able to do this for a while but the logistics has been difficult. Putting a sticker with the address on it after the run and during the shipping process has been the norm since the subscription idea started. A major magazine doing it with a 40,000 person database is a big deal. This may be the start of all the pipe dreams of personalized one-to-one advertising that have been around the printing industry for years.
When the original fines were levied, I figured that monetary demands were not capable of slowing MS down. Cringely puts it very well that the power can not change hands with the court system, MS has it figured out. The only 2 ways I see this being resolved is with actual demands by the courts (do not sell another product in our country until you meet these criteria) or with another competitor to usurp them. >>Now I can see where the zealout part of Linux comes in.
Not sure what you are talking about. I am Canadian. Music download ruling yesterday. Any of this ringing a bell? BTW, yes I do have a Canadian flag on my pack. Sucked-in again. This is the reason that I set my filter at AC-6.
I can see no reason to buy a player that restricts my ability to play music. Sorry, I'm still all a flutter with the news yesterday about downloads.
Not sure if I aggree with you but very well put. Bummed out that I can't retort but that is good because I will have to think about it, which is why I'm here.
MODDERS - Mod comments like the poster up. We shouldn't be here for speed, but instead for good discussion.
Don't get too excited just yet. Wouldn't want all the UFO nuts to get all jumpy from the discovery of methane. We still know very little about how or why it is there. This is fascinating stuff but the whole reason is not to just find life on another planet. There are tons of things to explore on mars and I think that if we get into this loop of only looking for life we may miss some other things that will be discovered.
Is it possible that this is a contamination issue from the original setup on earth? Could this have travelled with the spaceship to mars? I have heard rumours of NASA employees that have resorted to eating only brown beans due to budget restrictions. Is this a science issue or a budgetary issue?
Although I do agree with you, it is the speaker that is the one in question. Just being anti-MS because of their size is not right, but when this statement is used, you can be sure that they can make it happen. Linux ad on every visit to the net - stop dreaming. MS ad every visit - hold on I can see that being possible. The fear is that it can come true and probably will come true because they can make it come true.
If anybody sees the usage policy involved, they would certainly think twice. Media Player 9 only, need connection for first time played, must be played within 120 days to activate, can only burn CD's with Media player 9, cannot burn in any other format. Is this the norm? I can't believe people would not be put off by this.
This may be off topic but I am writing this before it is out to everybody else without a subscription. Not trying to get a FP or anything, just wanted to show that the subscription is not unhackable. Not much of a hack - just came accross it. Letting out this info could harm /. so I am willing to keep it to myself, well maybe for a nominal fee, I could be persuaded.
Check your knees - they seem to be jerking a lot. Adobe didn't stop you from using this. You can use the product for as long as you want, there will just not be any updates. You could put this on an OS9 machine and use it for years. Just saying that there will be no upgrades, does not mean they stop you from using it. Save your closed source arguments till they are justified.
I have to agree with you. Some publishers may not like it going but it hasn't been used in the printing industry for years. I didn't even know it was still around, what with Quark battling it with Indesign and Pagemaker. I am not sure what Framemaker did well enough to have people still using it anyway? Does anybody know what niche this product filled?
The real line in the story is: Microsoft plans to appeal the decision 90 days - my ass! This will be in the courts forever.
This seems like an oxymoron, but how come this torrent is so slow with this many people supposedly on it? Is there a limit to how many a torrent can hold? Can somebody that is not as clueless as me explain this please.
Spamming may not be a crime by itself but the methods used by spammers (e.g. a virus that captures X number of boxes for relays) certainly is. It is time that these criminals get their day in court. I may not be the first to say that spamming is not illegal but their practices of preying on the Mom and Pop cable modem user is breaking many laws. These people are acting as criminals and should be treated as such. If they want to send all their spam without spoofed addresses and from identifiable domains, there is no reason they should not be allowed to (legally). With that method, I can whitelist their domain and those that don't whitelist can get their spam.
My point was that it was not a definite "do it now!". This has to go throught the appeals with the fine and after ? years they may be ordered to deliver a new version without media player. By the time this is settled in the courts, the problem will have become moot as they will then have "Happy Deluxe media player" installed.
I did not see a mention of the removal of media player. Is a fine the only recourse the EU has? Can they not see that cash is not something that will hurt MS but stripping windows down is? *sigh* Another slap on the wrist for a company that buys their way out of any legal troubles yet never addresses the real problems.