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Build Your Own Jet Engine

jgarland79 writes "Have you ever wanted your very own jet engine? Build one at home in your own garage. The guys over at www.garagejet.com have done just that. Their jet engine is made from an automotive turbo, spark plugs, and some scrap metal. I have made a mirror site here." We've had a couple of previous stories about a guy building pulsejet engines - the type of engine described above is a turbojet.

148 comments

  1. Darwin Award in the making by cheinz · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Nuff said! ;)

    1. Re:Darwin Award in the making by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 1

      This comment would have worked better as a reply to yours, except that yours didn't show up until after I got mine posted. At least I'm not the only one thinking along these lines.

      The Dalai LLama
      ...damn, I hate that...

    2. Re:Darwin Award in the making by Pidder · · Score: 1
      Yes I completely agree.

      People of Slashdot: I strongly advice against watching The Rocketeer in the near future.

    3. Re:Darwin Award in the making by linzeal · · Score: 1
      Finnaly popcorn the way mother used to make it.

    4. Re:Darwin Award in the making by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      You know the funny thing, they sell Instruction Kits on their website! If you need instructions, then you have no business trying to build something like this :P

    5. Re:Darwin Award in the making by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Short memories. In 1946, pulse jets for one's bicycle were on the market. I'd have bought one if I'd had the money. I was only slightly concerned with the possible need to stop.

    6. Re:Darwin Award in the making by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So all the people in the world who make jet engines are born with the innate knowledge.

  2. Yeah... not tough. by enderanjin · · Score: 0

    I build one of those once. It was a blast until the FBI got to me.

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    1. Re:Yeah... not tough. by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 5, Funny

      The FBI were right to go after you.

      I had a friend who knew this guy one time and his sister's cousin built a jet engine just like the one in the article and bolted it to the top of this old Nova that he had. He took it for a test run in the desert in, like, Arizona. He forgot that his normal brakes wouldn't be enough to stop it, and the accident investigators found the remains of the jet engine 80 feet up the side of a mesa.

      Dude, his teeth were still embedded in the melted steering wheel. That's how they identified him. Don't mess with home-brewed jet propulsion, it's a recipe for trouble. You could put someone's eye out.

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      ...true story, I swear...

    2. Re:Yeah... not tough. by idesofmarch · · Score: 1

      Let me get this straight - you had a friend, who had a sister, who had a cousin. . .

    3. Re:Yeah... not tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he had a friend who knew a guy. And the guy had a sister, whose cousin built an engine. Which would at first seem strange since the sister's cousin would normally be the brother's (that's the guy) cousin as well, but it's possible they were adoptive siblings. The sister must have contacted her biological relatives somehow, and learned of the unfortunate death of her long lost cousin through jet propulsion.

    4. Re:Yeah... not tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was an episode of Mythbusters.. guess what.. they proved it was a myth

    5. Re:Yeah... not tough. by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      well thats nothing i've got a sister that has a brother! how odd is that?

    6. Re:Yeah... not tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? How do you prove that something didn't happen?

    7. Re:Yeah... not tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They replicated the myth.. the engine used in the myth is not powerful enough to lift a 1967 cadillac (or whatever it was) and fly it into the face of a mountain

    8. Re:Yeah... not tough. by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Funny
      I had a friend who knew this guy one time

      In the Bibical sense?

      and his sister's cousin

      Wouldn't it just be easier to say, "his cousin"?

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    9. Re:Yeah... not tough. by kpwoodr · · Score: 2, Informative

      No I can't speak for everyone, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of us saw what you're refering to on Myth Busters. And though it was cool...no one ended up 80 feet high on the side of a Mesa. And on top of that it was a JATO, which probably produces a lot more thrust than the home brew garage jet.

      And yes, I knew you were joking, I just wanted to get my shot in!

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    10. Re:Yeah... not tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1995-04.h tml

    11. Re:Yeah... not tough. by kpwoodr · · Score: 1

      >well thats nothing i've got a sister that has a brother! how odd is that?

      It's YOU isn't it!!!! That's the first riddle I've gotten all week.

      Here's another tough one. "What does a little ocean say when it grows up?" This showed up on My friend's sister's cousin's 5th grade homework...I'm clueless.

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    12. Re:Yeah... not tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.08/rocketcar. html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=

      Ring a bell???

    13. Re:Yeah... not tough. by Resident+Netizen · · Score: 1

      Presumably... Nothing. It just waves.

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  3. Oh great, by demonbug · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I'm going to have to start worrying about real rice rockets on the way home from work.

    1. Re:Oh great, by icekillis · · Score: 0, Troll

      On other unrelated news. Al Qaida recruiters, who are in need for Skilled Engineers who dislike the American government and big American corporations have turned to Slashdot as a primary source for recruits.

  4. now i can... by hellmarch · · Score: 2, Funny

    attempt to win the x prize. w00t

    1. Re:now i can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      now i can... attempt to win the x prize
      Yes, you can attempt, but unfortunately you're going to fail....

      Both jet and rocket engines combine fuel with an oxidizer to make thrust. Jet engines, however, use oxygen from the air while rocket engines use another source of oxygen (liquid, compressed, or solid in some compound that'd burned to produce O2).

      The upshot is that you can't use a jet engine to get into outer space, only a rocket engine, because there's not oxygen up there for a jet engine to burn enough fuel to make enough thrust. Your jet engine will come crashing down.

      (A simplified explanation of the difference between jet and rocket engines can be found here.)

    2. Re:now i can... by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The upshot is that you can't use a jet engine to get into outer space, only a rocket engine, because there's not oxygen up there for a jet engine to burn enough fuel to make enough thrust.

      Wrong! You *can* use a jet engine to go into space. You just need to accelerate to 11,000 km/h, the escape velocity (lower if you are at higher altitude, or just want to go into orbit). You can even go into space with a (really big) cannon.

      Your jet engine will come crashing down.

      And if you do reach space, you will be wishing that you did come crashing down.

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    3. Re:now i can... by RayBender · · Score: 2, Informative
      You can even go into space with a (really big) cannon.

      But you can't go into orbit. Also, of you were to start from the surface of the Earth with several times excape velocity you will a) be vaporized by the atmosphere, b) likely be slowed down such that you don't ever reached space, c) killed by the deceleration forces.

      A while back this topic came up over a lunch discussion and I did some looking into it. Check this link for some interesting background. As best I can estimate the lid made it up to about 10 km altitude before it came back down.

      So, what does all this mean? Simply that a jet engine will NEVER get you into space.

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    4. Re:now i can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      A scramjet will. Go NASA!

    5. Re:now i can... by RayBender · · Score: 1
      A scramjet will. Go NASA!

      Actually, no. A scramjet - if it is ever made to work properly for more than 5 seconds - will accelereate you to something like Mach 12 and 100,000 feet. That is not space, nor orbital velocity. From there you have to use a rocket.

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    6. Re:now i can... by mpe · · Score: 1

      Wrong! You *can* use a jet engine to go into space. You just need to accelerate to 11,000 km/h, the escape velocity (lower if you are at higher altitude, or just want to go into orbit).

      The major difficulty is that turbojets don't work well with supersonic air going into them. You'd probably want some kind of engine which could change from reheated turbojet to pure ramjet (and back again). Having engines gives you rather more options comming back down again (including being able to taxi off the runway, so other planes can use it), even if you need a tanker to top up the fuel tanks.

      You can even go into space with a (really big) cannon.

      Provided the vehicle and payload can handle the acceleration. Which is more likely to be the case with cargo than people.

    7. Re:now i can... by nyseal · · Score: 1

      I had a professor in college who claimed that there's no such thing as 'deceleration'; it's acceleration in a negative direction. GOD I hated that and never did quite grasp the concept. I mean seriously, how do you accelerate negatively? Jeez that guy pissed me off.

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    8. Re:now i can... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Simple. Acceleration is a change in velocity (which is speed AND direction), not an increase in speed. Basically, if you're moving, you're pulling Gs. When that number of Gs changes, you're accelerating. Negative acceleration (reduction in Gs) is what is commonly known as deceleration.

    9. Re:now i can... by belroth · · Score: 1
      Close, but:
      Basically, if you're moving, you're pulling Gs.

      No, you only experience g forces (NB small g, big G is the Gravitational constant) when you either

      A) undergo acceleration,or

      B) experience gravitational attraction.

      Of course without an external reference you can't tell which of those it is either.

      Ignoring gravity if you're pulling g you're being accelerated, and yes the scalar component of the acceleration may be negative.

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    10. Re:now i can... by Bob+Davis,+Retired · · Score: 1

      Sure, a jet engine could get you into space! Even a cannon could. If you have facilities within the craft to absorb much of the force of acceleration, the human occupants could even survive! Of course the resulting craft would be quite large.

    11. Re:now i can... by (C)0N0(R) · · Score: 1

      Same goes for elevators and escalators. What about when they are going down?

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    12. Re:now i can... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you some kind of idiot? What were you doing in a physics class anyway?

  5. Excellent! by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Combined with the Slashdot articles on Build Your Own Cruise Missle, I'm good to go!

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    1. Re:Excellent! by slickwillie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Let's see. Aurora-type cruise missile, homemade rail gun, webcam, and 802.11g with high power antenna. I think we've got something here.

      DId I leave anything out?

    2. Re:Excellent! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Funny

      5. Cowboyneal
      6. ???
      7. Profit, etc.

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    3. Re:Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The will to use it against those that deserve it?

    4. Re:Excellent! by fjordboy · · Score: 1

      I'm reminded of the fellow that came up with star wars asciimation....who also built a jet powered beer cooling device. The intro speaks for itself: "What follows is my story about a shed, a warm beer and a home made jet engine."

    5. Re:Excellent! by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      #4. Profit!

    6. Re:Excellent! by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Combine it with the Wireless Beer Pitcher Monitoring System and Pizza ordering, and you've got a system that would make the Deliverator (Snow Crash) look pretty tame.

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    7. Re:Excellent! by Tzarius · · Score: 1

      DId I leave anything out?

      Yeah ... High performance armour & a large scale mech frame...

      METAL GEAR!

    8. Re:Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Target?

      Possiblities (in no particular order):

      Microsoft HQ
      SCO HQ
      Comcast HQ
      Theater where they tape American Karaoke, er, Idol

    9. Re:Excellent! by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Slashdot leaves stuff out,not you. Survival Research labs has been all over this for some time now http://www.srl.org/machines/flamehurricane/ I wish slashdot would feature SRL.I've sent in stories over time but still no feature.oh well all who click above can discover SRL.

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  6. Mirror Site?!?!?! by graveyardduckx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Two slashdottings for the price of one!

  7. Mayday! Mayday! by weeboo0104 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Both websites appear to have "flamed out".

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  8. Another one... by simcop2387 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another site that shows you some of the steps in building a gas turbine engine (also known as a jet engine) this one uses a turbo charge, probably not quite as good though

    http://asciimation.co.nz/turbine/

    he also uses it to cool beer.

    http://asciimation.co.nz/beer/

  9. an excerpt by DrLZRDMN · · Score: 1

    Please help with bandwidth! Please right click on the links, and choose save target as. These videos are in real audio format. If you do not have real player you can get it for free HERE

    I don't see how that would help but I bet it goes down faster thatn a crashing jet airplain.

    1. Re:an excerpt by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Please help with bandwidth! Please right click on the links, and choose save target as. These videos are in real audio format. If you do not have real player you can get it for free HERE [real.com]

      I don't see how that would help but I bet it goes down faster thatn a crashing jet airplain.


      I don't see how that would help but I bet your Karma goes down even faster.

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    2. Re:an excerpt by DrLZRDMN · · Score: 1

      I dont see how that helps because with a new topic coming this one is going down faster than my karma

  10. Other homebuilt gas turbines by airbatica · · Score: 5, Informative

    These guys are amateurs compared to Mark Nye of Nye Thermodynamics. I realize the page is a little old, but homebuilt gas turbines aren't exactly high tech till you get up to the FADEC systems of commercial jetliners

    http://www.nyethermodynamics.com/

    Off topic: Ooo... lets slashdot the server to oblivion. It's got MOVIES!

    1. Re:Other homebuilt gas turbines by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Haha. Yeah, and the one he built to melt snow off of driveways is way too heavy and dangerous to use without bolting it to something heavy.
      "Honey, seen any snow yet?"
      "No, not yet." ...
      "OK, dear, it's snowing."
      "Yay!"

      *click.... click*
      *WHOO000SH!*
      "AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee...........!"

  11. turbojet and turboprop homebuilt engines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you like small engines, take a look at 5bears.com -- he's made a turbojet (centrifugal compressor and turbine) and a turboprop, complete with microcontroller-based starter/fuel system, in addition to a couple of radial engines, a CNC mill, and a homebuilt spotwelder.

    1. Re:turbojet and turboprop homebuilt engines by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      All that in one project? What's he building, an SCV?

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    2. Re:turbojet and turboprop homebuilt engines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has a severe case of build-it-yourself-itis (and no, they're multiple projects. He designed and built the spotwelder to help in the construction of the turbojet, which justified him learning how to program microcontrollers for the FADEC, and so forth.)

      I admire him immensely.

    3. Re:turbojet and turboprop homebuilt engines by Temple+23 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you want to see some really tiny engines, check out this site: http://cpl.usc.edu/eschuste/ Speciffically, http://cpl.usc.edu/eschuste/turbine.htm I worked with this guy while doing research at USC in combustion physics. Taking models out into the engineering quad and taxing them around was entertaining (despite the small size, these things are quite loud).

  12. wow by demonbug · · Score: 1

    I bet you could move a shopping cart at greater than 3 ft/min with that thing.

  13. Well.. by mrsev · · Score: 0, Troll

    They are going to die! The only good point is that it will be quick!

  14. Erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This server looks like it's begging for a slashdotting. Unfortunately, about 2 or 3 of us will be downloading the 5 or 6 .RM files hosted.

  15. No proprietary crap here by GlassUser · · Score: 1

    Anyone have the videos in a standard format?

    1. Re:No proprietary crap here by IamGarageGuy+2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm with you. I don't want to have to put real crap on a machine unless absolutely necessary, e.g. bomb threat, man with gun, summons from SCO...

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    2. Re:No proprietary crap here by Resident+Netizen · · Score: 2, Informative

      No problem- get Real Alternative.

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    3. Re:No proprietary crap here by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      If your particular system happens to be blessed with it. There's a reason for standards.

  16. Erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great article, except for the fact that I can turbo my car for a little bit more than what they ask for on their site. I think it's a bit funny that they proclaim DONT DO THIS but proceed to sell kits for them, too.

  17. Have you ever wanted your very own jet engine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Have you ever wanted your very own jet engine?

    No.

    Next question...

  18. Inexpensive by acceber · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A real jet engine, say the one used on a F-16, runs around the figure of $350,000 USD...Finding used parts at the junk yard will yield much less cost. A complete engine can typically be built for less than $300 USD.
    It's interesting how price isn't an obstacle when it comes to building your own jet engine. The average person may think that it's impossible but these guys have proven that you don't need high tech equipment, just a couple of basic tools to be able to build something so out of the ordinary.
    This would definitely be a source of inspiration for those budding innovators and inventors.
    1. Re:Inexpensive by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's interesting how price isn't an obstacle when it comes to building your own jet engine. The average person may think that it's impossible but these guys have proven that you don't need high tech equipment, just a couple of basic tools to be able to build something so out of the ordinary.
      These guys haven't proven that you can build your own jet engine, they've proven you can modify a turbosupercharger into a gas turbine. The Really Hard Part is the turbines, which they *bought*, as opposed to being made.

      It's cool, it's semi impressive, but it's not what it's hyped to be.

    2. Re:Inexpensive by Resident+Netizen · · Score: 1

      Good God! *They* didn't prove it, Frank Whittle did in the 40's!

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    3. Re:Inexpensive by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      This looks like a lot of fun but here are the problems I see with it.

      1. I'm pretty sure a turbo charger isn't designed to tolerate the heat we're talking about.

      2. With #1 in mind, Do you really want something spinning at 100k RPM's that's not designed to handle that heatload...

      I'm just having visions of this thing getting up to speed, a fin blade heating up and deforming, thus causing the whole turbo shaft to come apart in rapid succession. Then watching the person standing next to the thing getting turned into a 160lb of hamburger...

      Needless to say, if I were going to build one of these things.
      1. I'd test it out in a field away from friends / family, property, etc.
      2. Then I'd situate myself close enough to see what's going on, but not close enough to be killed when the turbine comes apart.
      3. I'd then setup some watermellons in strategic locations and some quasi disposible web cams to catch all the action.
      4. Then I'd open the thing to full throttle and do some destructive testing ;-)

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    4. Re:Inexpensive by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

      I'm just having visions of this thing getting up to speed, a fin blade heating up and deforming, thus causing the whole turbo shaft to come apart in rapid succession. Then watching the person standing next to the thing getting turned into a 160lb of hamburger...

      It's the same turbo that's on my truck - a Dodge pickup with a Cummins Turbo Diesel engine. My turbine sees well over 100,000 rpm, and over 1,300 degrees F (yes, I have a gauge on it).

      On occasion, they fail; usually when guys are pushing 100+ psi of boost (one hundred psi, not a typo). When they go, it it's that big of a deal - all the parts stay inside the housing and come out the exhaust. The exhause is thin wall steel tubing, so it obviously doesn't take much to contain an exploding turbine.

      Tackett
      -trying to make sure mine stays together

  19. Frozen Chickens by secondsun · · Score: 1

    Do they use the frozen chicken launcher test method or do they use more historical (but less modern) live chicken?

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    1. Re:Frozen Chickens by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Will little frozen chicken McNuggets work? That turbo is rather small to swallow a big bird.

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    2. Re:Frozen Chickens by Resident+Netizen · · Score: 1

      Actually, the chicken launcher launches *thawed* chickens at something like 200mph. IIRC it was developed first to test canopies and windscreens- jets came later. Rolls Royce borrowed it from the US, but didn't know about the thawing step... resulting in a 'famous' anecdote in the annals of jet turbine development history. Can anyone substantiate this story? I asked a RR blade engineer if it was true- he said yes, but even so, the story is hard to believe.

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    3. Re:Frozen Chickens by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 1

      Dunno about RR and frozen chickens, But back in the 70's my Grandfather was part of a crew at GE Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati who would go up into the cooling towers in the old 800 building and collect pigeons for "bird tests".

      They used CO2 extinguishers to get em down fast, (confused the birds more than freezing them) and would collect dozens a week for engine FOD testing. Had to make sure none of them were actually frozen for some strange reason. (laughs)

      Obviously GEAE can't do it like that anymore, but I have no reason to doubt that they did.

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    4. Re:Frozen Chickens by mpe · · Score: 1

      Do they use the frozen chicken launcher test method or do they use more historical (but less modern) live chicken?

      Dead, but not frozen, chickens are fired at aircraft to ensure that they will survive birdstrikes.

  20. mis-engineering? by grepistan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like the drill being used as an oil pump, but what happens if some bright spark hits the reverse direction button?

    I hope those chaps have good home & contents insurance!

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    1. Re:mis-engineering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You use a drill that doesn't have a reverse.

  21. Mental note to self..... by j3ll0 · · Score: 4, Funny


    When building an engine that will potentially operate at over 1000 degrees Celsius, be sure to build frame out of wood.

    1. Re:Mental note to self..... by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Interesting


      When building an engine that will potentially operate at over 1000 degrees Celsius, be sure to build frame out of wood.

      The hottest stuff comes out the business end, not the support points.

      Not the best setup, I admit, but I presume this is not long-term durability testing. All they need is a good insulator between contact points. Or maybe a liquid helium cooling system with lots of piping design engineering hours.

  22. NZ government killed his Cruise Missile project... by Recoil_42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just a side note, the New Zealand government recently shot down bruce's $5,000 cruise missle project. read about it here.

    Very sad, i was looking forward to its completion.

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  23. let's be safe out there by jamie · · Score: 5, Informative
    Kids, if you build your own jet engine, then unlike the nice fellow in the videos, please wear ear and eye protection.

    Especially if you plan on titling one of your videos "Ooops! Forgot to make sure the fittings were tight!"

    Jeez...

    1. Re:let's be safe out there by Megahurts · · Score: 1

      seriously, any event involving a turbocharger spinning at tens of thousands of rpm that would warrant safety glasses would probably also render them ineffecutal.

    2. Re:let's be safe out there by jred · · Score: 1

      I just had a very convincing visual of some poor fool standing there looking shocked with plastic splinters and chunks of turbine fins embedded in his eyes.

      Strangely enough, it was amusing. Then again, I *do* like to read Darwin Awards :)

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    3. Re:let's be safe out there by (C)0N0(R) · · Score: 1

      They should also brush up on the welding skills. Notice the Prematex patch?

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  24. just what i needed! by ejaw5 · · Score: 1

    More Power! for my riding lawn mower. grr grunt grr grunt grr grunt.

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  25. 555 timer? by kd5ujz · · Score: 4, Informative

    These guys are charging $20 for the 555 chip. These things go for around $0.90 at radio shack. At first I thought it was the entire assembly, but then I saw the assembly for $50.

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  26. Garuntee win on the strip! by CherniyVolk · · Score: 3, Funny



    Let's see, super chargers are ungodly expensive....
    Adding turbo or even replacing turbo, out of this world....

    But! Two 300 dollar jet engines welded to the side of your Ford Escort!?!?!?!? Francine Dee! Here I come!

  27. Turbojets, pulsejets, and... by Dread_ed · · Score: 2, Funny

    "We've had a couple of previous stories about a guy building pulsejet engines - the type of engine described above is a turbojet

    We just invented a new one...serverjet! That is where fire shoots out of the drive bays of a server so fast that the whole thing flies across the room!!

    Sometimes I just think yall pick random servers to destroy. Kinda like that guy from the Jerk who flips through the newspaper and then just pops his finger down on a person and then he kills them. Likewise, you probably put in a topic to Google and hit "I'm feeling lucky!" Whoever the unlucky site is gets the slashdotting!

    I can feel you laughing from here.

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  28. junkyard wars did this.... by dvd_tude · · Score: 3, Informative

    They used an automotive turbo, etc. It was the "jet car" episode.

    As I recall it didn't generate very much thrust.

    (didn't RTFA)

    1. Re:junkyard wars did this.... by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was the pulsejet "expert" on the Jetcar episode of Scrapheap Challenge (aka Junkyard wars) and the turbocharger turbojet *did* produce a very healthy amount of thrust (probably about 65lbs).

      They didn't win because they had reliability problems and their vehicle was much heavier than our lightweight pulsjet-powered creation.

    2. Re:junkyard wars did this.... by cryptochrome · · Score: 1

      Whatever happened with the X-Jet anyway?

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  29. Pod race! by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Funny

    Once you'd built one of these, build another. Then tie a lawn chair in between, and start 'em up! Should be a real blast.

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  30. Be safe, like this young fellow by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    This young man has the right idea for jet engine safety.

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  31. Not so much a jet engine by EvilMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

    since it doesn't provide thrust or torque. Propane-powered whistle would be more like it.

  32. goggles aren't enough by blitz487 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need more than "ear and eye protection". You need a cement blast wall. I toured P&W's jet engine design plant once, and the engine test facility included a heavilly fortified blockhouse for the engineers. A turbine burst would be like a grenade going off with even a small engine.

  33. Video... by azav · · Score: 0

    Anyone have Non Real versions of the videos? Some MPEG 4 files maybe?

    Thanks

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  34. Welding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The welds on those pipes were some of the worst I've ever seen. I'm surprised it didn't blow up!

    1. Re:Welding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. I thought you were displaying the usual snobbery of people in the know around here, but then I checked the pictures. Damn.

    2. Re:Welding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I think a "friend" did them.

      Man, it hurts my eyes to look at those welds.

  35. For pete's sake by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    It probably started out as an attempt to improve a blow-dryer for a chronically late person.

  36. A co-worker built one by Boyceterous · · Score: 4, Interesting

    back in the mid 1980's. He was a mech engineer and used the company machine shop to fab the parts. He said it got up to about 200 lbs of thrust - until the turbine blades flew out the back end ( he used aluminum instead of titanium) - luckily he only got slightly injured.

  37. Get us a better site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nothing could be cooler than building your own jet engine. But this site is pretty poor, with a strange commercial edge to it.


    Could we have a proper explanation of how it all fits together? Perhaps even a diagram. Does it produce any thrust?


    Next

    1. Re:Get us a better site by saroth2 · · Score: 1

      It would have to produce thrust, however, it probably does not produce very much, or it would blow itself away.

  38. Laserjet by Rhodnius · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pulsejets, turbojets... what's the big deal? They invented Laserjets years ago. Can get one of those for $400 or less, and the laser just runs on electricity, doesn't need fuel...

    1. Re:Laserjet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I still have a Deskjet 550 (mid-90's), functions perfectly.

      Doesn't make my desk fly any faster, though.

  39. This is great! by tennistoad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Next these guys will duct tape 10,000 model rocket engines to a tin can and send it into orbit as a homemade sputnick! oh wait John carmack has got this one covered!!! http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/Armadillo/Ho me

  40. We'll see this guy on the news soon by Hardwyred · · Score: 1

    Let me sum up. Old turbo, propane tank, metal tube, power steering pump used as an oil pump driven by a hand drill, 6 inchs of flame shooting out the end of the tube and the whole thing is mounted on a couple of painted 2x4s. Tell me, which piece will fail first?

    I love these homemade projects, but good lord, this one is 2 steps away from a stay in the burn ward.

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  41. Radio controlled Jets by barjam · · Score: 2, Informative

    RCs have used jet engines for years. They can be had (the engine, not the RC) for about 3k. They feature computer control/startup etc.

    Pretty cool stuff.

  42. Not impressed... by eelke_klein · · Score: 0

    It does seem very bulky, it would be really interesting if they could provide some spec's.

    I have read an article one (in a dutch magazine about radio controlled models so I can't provide a link) about someone who build his own turbojet. All parts were home made and it actually was installed in a model that could fly! That was in the early 80's so these guys seem to be a bit behind times...

  43. e=mc^2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From the FAQ on the page:
    After the fuel is burnt, the air becomes super hot, and expands up to 15 times its original mass.
    Wow, it converts energy to mass! Amazing, where can I get one? (This should be 15 times the VOLUME not mass)
  44. !(/. ed) ?? by vinit79 · · Score: 1

    why is the original site and the mirror still up ??? /. defeated by a meanie weenie server !!! Probably they have jet propelled apache.

    1. Re:!(/. ed) ?? by jgarland79 · · Score: 1

      I think my mirror site did pretty well for half a million hits in the last 5 hours! It didn't even hiccup. :) The load average didn't exceed 1 and it didn't even touch my potential bandwidth. :) http://www.my-kungfu.com/~jgarland/webalizer/usage _200405.html

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  45. Cute DIY, But Been Done: See Links by cmholm · · Score: 4, Informative
    First, full points to the builder for moving beyond the web research stage and getting his hands dirty. For those wanting to play with turbines, but want a design that's ready to slap onto a r/c model, some gents in the Netherlands implemented a cheap design using a smaller turbocharger and an empty Gaz propane camping stove cartridge back in '99. The original links to this design are harder to Google nowadays, now that the designers have gone commercial.

    You've seen the movie, now buy the book: Gas Turbine Engines for Model Aircraft by Kurt Schreckling

    What Kurt's design looks like when built per plans.

    Gas Turbine Builders Association

    Photos from the GTBA of various completed motors, note the small sizes.

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    1. Re:Cute DIY, But Been Done: See Links by my02wrxsti · · Score: 1
      Actually, Thomas Kamps did it first. His book is available in the same series as Kurt's book.


      The Kamps turbine is probable one of the lightest designs ever. He did not use a turbocharger compressor instead choosing to build a radial compressor from wood bound with carbon fibres to keep it together. Of course you have to be pretty confident to spin a chunk of wood at > 80000rpm!


      Richard.

  46. The pulsejet guy does turbo-turbines too by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 3, Informative

    The guy who built the cruise missile and those pulsejets (me) also built a turbo-turbine back in 2001 and documented it here

    Then I added the afterburner

    And if you want to see a really cool turbine-powered gokart check out Nick's website.

    More pulsejet/turbojet links and things here.

    Now we're all really keen to enter the chinese version of full metal challenge!

  47. Actual Use for this....sorta by black_umbrella · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually we used a turbojet made from a car turbo in my undergraduate mechanical engineering energy conversion lab.. Needless to say these thing get efficiency values around 10% to 12% or much less( I thin I remember a value 3% in my lab report). If I can recall my gas turbine design class, normal aircraft turbojets are closer to 60% or even 80%...

  48. These people obviously... by A+Boy+and+His+Blob · · Score: 0

    didn't see Donnie Darko.

  49. This is not "news" by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    I've been following the progress of home buyilders of similar turbines for at least the last 5 years. Many modellers are using these designs in actual flying model aircraft, and have been for some time. How is it news?

    1. Re:This is not "news" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guy probably posted the story himself, since his website is selling kits - i note that he has yet to build one that really works instead of an overheating, dangerous, noisy lump of metal. Go figure out how to make a working turbine before selling the things!. Free info on building these engines can be found at the yahoo group "DIYGasturbines"

  50. Re:NZ government killed his Cruise Missile project by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

    Very sad, i was looking forward to its completion

    Don't worry, the first is completed and ready to test, the second is about 50% completed.

    It will be tested, it's just a case of when and where so as to make sure it's done in a safe environment and without alerting those authorities who might want to confiscate it.

  51. Nice Feeling by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    Is a good feeling to hear of people building their own engines it's about time to all of us attempt to go farther in faster then will build a day ambition to go into space

    By the way I love commenting on slashed by with my Dragon NaturallySpeaking dispelling is an average and I'm sure you can understand what I'm saying he was not what I said that was not what I said but that was what I said to buy bye-bye goodbye bye-bye goodbye so long sea later sea later I'll see you later there that's better

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  52. Re:NZ government killed his Cruise Missile project by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    At first I thought it was shot down after it was launched

    Brought to you by Dragon NaturallySpeaking

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  53. Popular Science back in 1964 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    had plans for a jet engine that worked... BIG FUCKING DEAL! You Slashdot Fucks are about 41 years to frigging late...losers!

  54. These guys are insane. by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1
    Real jet engines have a Turbine Inlet Temperature sensor. These guys seem to be aware that they don't want to get the turbine too hot, because hot metal is weak metal and overheated turbines can shatter at high speed.

    And I would NOT walk around perpendicular to the axis of the tubine while it's running! Jesus Christ, at least put the thing in a 55 gallon drum or something!

    1. Re:These guys are insane. by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

      Most people building turbo-turbojets *do* have at least a turbine outlet temperature sensor.

      And, if you think a 55-gallon drum is going to do *anything* to reduce the damage or danger produced by a grenading turbine wheel then you've obviously never seen one let-go or calculated the energy levels involved!

    2. Re:These guys are insane. by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1
      When I was in the Marines, we used 1/4" steel blast shields for running up APUs and generators. A regular 55-gallon drum may not be much, but it's damn sure better than nothing. These small turbos probably turn at extremely high RPMs, but they don't have much mass and they are enclosed in a heavy casting already.

      Watch the videos. These guys are walking around the device in t-shirts and blue jeans, without even the most basic hearing or eye protection!

  55. Ghetto engine! by MikeHunt69 · · Score: 1

    Thats the most "ghetto" engine I've ever seen - look at those welds for gods sake!. This Guy has made a jet engine from kit parts, and a 9 cylinder radial engine from nothing but plans and blocks of aluminium. I've also seen a website somewhere (can't find it now) where a guy built a Wren MW54 jet engine from just the plans, machining all the parts himself.

  56. Jet engines - how they work by andyr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out the Wikipedia featured article on Jet engines

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  57. Re: The Rocket Car by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    It was a rocket car, not a jet car, and this story claims to be a true account of the actual events.

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  58. Why do we hear about pulse jets and not these... by NoMercy · · Score: 1

    Because pulse jets are on the edge of technology, they were essentially abondoned by most people who are only starting to look at them again for short single-flight machines like cruse missiles, so there is real development work a guy in his shed can do.

    Car turbo based jets are built by every man and his dog, though I think there was a junkyard wars where one team built a pulse-jet (readless type) and the other team built one with a car turbo.

  59. A good automobile upgrade by Pedrito · · Score: 1

    My car is getting old. It's current value is down to about $450, so it's getting to the point that the only upgrades that are worthwhile are the ones I build myself.

    This would also let me build entirely new skills like jet-assisted parallel parking.

  60. I think I.... by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...actually remember that ad, back classified pages of popular mechanics.

    As an aside, those ads were the coolest place to browse far out inventions/gadgets evah. They ruled the garage inventor space. I'd like to see a website were all of them are reproduced, going back to day one of that magazine. Like build your own pedal kayak, send off here for plans for your electric bulldozer, etc. Carbide cannons give big boom (heh), and etc. Neat stuff.

  61. 100 PSI boost from a radial compressor? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    I call BS. 100 PSI is nearly 7 atmospheres, and there is no way you are getting a pressure ratio of 7 out of a single-stage radial compressor. I could see a pressure ratio of 3, maybe, (45 PSI), but 100 PSI is blowing that much pressure out your butt.

    1. Re:100 PSI boost from a radial compressor? by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

      I call BS. 100 PSI is nearly 7 atmospheres, and there is no way you are getting a pressure ratio of 7 out of a single-stage radial compressor. I could see a pressure ratio of 3, maybe, (45 PSI), but 100 PSI is blowing that much pressure out your butt.

      Wow - you disagree by insulting? How nice.
      I'm guessing that you haven't heard of running twin turbos, oh wait, you say "single stage", so obviously you have.

      Bet you didn't think that somebody might be running a "two stage radial compressor" - one of them being the turbo being discussed.

    2. Re:100 PSI boost from a radial compressor? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
      Twin turbos are typically single-stage devices feeding separate cylinder banks (for shorter lengths of pipe and lower turbo lag). Two-stage radial compressors? 100 PSI boost pressure on a Diesel truck engine?

      I apologize for the insult, but those specs seem strange.

    3. Re:100 PSI boost from a radial compressor? by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

      Twin turbos are typically single-stage devices feeding separate cylinder banks (for shorter lengths of pipe and lower turbo lag). Two-stage radial compressors? 100 PSI boost pressure on a Diesel truck engine?

      I'm going to suggest that you have a lot of research to do.

      First off, many, many twin turbo setups are in serial, not parallel. Every Cummins I'm aware of (under the hood of a Dodge truck, which is what I was talking about in my first post) with twins has serial turbos.

      100 psi? Yes. Not stock, and not in too many trucks, but they are out there. The guys ruinning that much boost tend to
      a) lower the compression ration from 17.5:1 to 17:1 with a different head gasket thickness
      b) use really trick (strong) head studs
      c) use copper head gaskets or an O-ring
      d) blow head gaskets at regular intervals

      Try it with a (International) PowerStroke or (Izuzu) GM DuraMax and you'll blow it up long before you hit 100psi.

      The Cummins comes from the factory with a 20psi wastegate - far, far higher than any other pickup Diesel engine. It's built for real world applications (tugboats, big trucks, generators, etc), not just to slide (er, wedge) under the hood of a small truck.

      My truck puts 375hp and 800 ft/lbs of torque to the ground (not at the crank, at the rear wheels) at a "mere" 35 psi of boost.

      Continue your education here:
      http://www.turbodieselregiste.com
      http://w ww.dieseltruckresource.com
      http://www.dieseltrans .com
      http://www.piersdiesel.com
      http://www.piers diesel.com/images/smokeshow_lg.jpg
      That's tire smoke, from a 7,200 pound truck - and it'll blow the doors off just about any sport/muscle car (untill you get to a corner, but you can't haul plywood and concrete in a Porche)

      http://www.scheiddiesel.com/trkpull.htm
      Look part way down the page for the "head stud kit". They sell two kits - one for "up to 80psi" and one for "over 80psi". The guys doing drags and tractor pulls are *crazy*.

      I apologize for the insult, but those specs seem strange.

      Thanks for the apology. However, I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass.

  62. Re: The Rocket Car by (C)0N0(R) · · Score: 1

    I read that entirely a few years ago, and found at least three serious flaws in the story. I did however, find it quite entertaining.

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  63. Re: The Rocket Car by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    Yes, I laughed and smiled once or twice myself.
    The writing seems too "literary" to have been written by the average high-school teacher.
    It looks more like it was done by a professional author.
    (That is why I wrote that it claims to be a true account, not that it acutally is a true account.)

    I am curious, what were the flaws that you found in the story?

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  64. Typical American hack job.... by mulp · · Score: 1

    Based on the website and this statement "These engine are for entertainment purposes only. They are not certified to be airworthy or for use on aircraft." I'm guessing that this is an American venture.

    Doesn't look like they've done any research at all. Not only are Europeans making real jet engines, they also have figured out how to certify them so that a hobbist can build and fly them with insurance coverage by joining GTBA.

    I'm coming to the conclusion that with "technology" being defined as anything having to do with software and with the most advanced software projects being hacking viruses and worm, combined with mechanical engineering, machine tool technology, and manufacturing processes as being menial work best left to third world countries, that America is doomed to becoming a third world country.

    1. Re:Typical American hack job.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your enlightening opinion. Please do share any further eruptions from your amazing intellect.

  65. An automotive turbocharger... by Enigma_Man · · Score: 1

    ...does not a good thrust turbine make.

    The reason is an automotive turbocharger is designed to provide a lot of pressure at a modest flow rate. It does this with particular sizes of intake and exhaust turbines (amongst other things). A car engine (compared to a jet engine) ingests air slowly, so higher pressure at this slower rate is what is needed to turbocharge a car engine. In a jet engine, you need a much higher flow rate, which is much better suited to a different design of turbine.

    What you end up with if you use an automotive turbo is a wonky contraption that once you finally get it working under its own power doesn't run for very long, is terrifyingly loud, and produces next to no thrust.

    -Jesse

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