Everyone has different tastes. That's expected. However, being "stuck up" refers to looking down upon others for not liking the same qualities as yourself - generally when that person thinks their own opinions are the pinacle of achievement.
I think a large part of this is perception, though. The core maintainers list for linux is a pretty closely knit team too, I imagine. How hard is it to get to that status level? Maybe it's as hard as getting to be an OpenBSD team member. I don't know, but that seems like a good guess.
AFAIK, OpenBSD doesn't contain obscure libraries in it's base system - at least, not by my understanding of obscure.
Do you mean that you installed a package or a port, and need to compile dependencies when you patch that software? Well that shouldn't be too surprising.
It sounds like your main gripe is that OpenBSD doesn't aggressively maintain its package database with security fixes like Debian. This part is somewhat true. They do maintain the tagged versions of ports in cvs, and I believe they release upgraded packages too. But I don't think they monitor it as well as a large group like Debian.
OpenBSD's strength is in its core, and that's why people choose to use it.
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I was reading this book (Stiff by Mary Roach) and it mentioned how airline companies determined if they should deploy certain saftey devices on airplanes. The formula was like the one rattled off in Fight Club, based on the cost of the settlement payouts for those who died or were injured.
I think it was something like 2 or 4 million USD a human life was worth in a settlement. And the number shown on the FBI warning screen says something like $250k for violating the copyright. So basically, in monetary value, a human life lost due to neglegence or whatever is worth about 8 to 16 video pirating charges. Kind of sad.
This is all based on my memory of the book quote of the settlement price, so I may... will... be off a bit, but the concept holds I think. I googled a bit to try and find the numbers, but didn't net anything. If someone wants to correct the numbers, feel free.;)
"OpenBSD finds bugs in auditted code on a fairly regular basis, so auditting isn't the end all be all that the post I was responding too seemed to believe it might be."
Software will have bugs - unless you're Donald Knuth, maybe. You can either actively look for them, or just wait for the user reports. Which is better?
Your point about services is very true. Open can't audit all of the software in the world. However, they take pride in making the core OS as secure as they can. Sure they won't catch everything. Sure other OS distributions care about security as well. But Open makes it their top priority... you gotta agree that counts for something.
I thought WoW was going to be the big one for me... but it turns out that I just can't deal with endless hours of repetative simplistic gameplay to get to the end-game any more.
GW sounds like a much needed change in design of these games to take the focus off of the time-sink aspect.
While I haven't played it yet (I will this weekend), I remember hearing people say somewhere that it's skill in a strategy/tactical sense, and not twitch skill. Maybe twitch is what the guy above meant.
As for me, I prefer strategy & tactics over twitch skills, so this game has me interested.
Perhaps you should consider whether or not you're too biased on this issue because of the massive amounts of time you've invested in the system. Not all colleges are the Ivory Tower of Knowledge. Actually, I'll say a large majority of them are not.
In regards to your first post, people say CS Ph.D's don't know anything because they often (but not always) have not focused as much of their time actually practicing their craft in a business environment. It's often quite a different game out there in the real world.
For example, most people on/. will talk about CS degrees. Getting a CS degree means little when it comes to successfully running a consulting project from start to end. Sure you can say that the sheer willpower involved in enduring the college experience says something positive. But, IMHO, not following the herd in believing you need a degree says something positive as well.
Negative. This is not the same as guided education.
Which do you value more, someone that shows initiative and can learn complex subject matters on their own, or someone that has to have their hand held and the subject matter read to them?
You're right, it's not the same. Don't let intellectual elitism beguile you.
Appointments to the Supreme Court are nothing to write off... They're a big part of the system, and have the final say on many things. These guys are appointed for life and will be around (generally) longer than any President.
Besides... even though the President may not do much directly, the political influence cannot be underestimated.
I agree Naikrovek. I just got into beta a few days ago, and I hold the same opinion. No major bugs. Personally, I really enjoy the game design. I think the archetype/class/subclass system is nice. The content seems ample (I can't speak for mid-high level content yet, though), as I've done nothing but quests up to level 10 already.
Then you have tons of posts on the EQ2 related item yesterday saying how this game is like 6 months away from release. Of course, no one ever says WHY. I wish they would, because I'm honestly curious.
I've really enjoyed the game at the moment, and bet that it should be able to survive Release Day without too much pain (barring networking issues from too many players of course...).
Odd... I've been beta testing the last 4 days or so, and it certainly hasn't been a bad experience.
It could be the market is forcing them to release early, but probably not in the way you expect. The Market does not allow for a company to develop extremely complex software long enough to fix every problem and include every feature before release. If this was required, only simplistic software would ever make it to market. You *must* have a certain tollerance for problems.
That said, I've had a pleasant experience beta testing so far. I haven't found any major issues personally, but then again theres a lot of content I haven't explored.
So... while you're trolling, why don't you do something constructive like list some things that need 6 months (!!) to work out?
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Everyone has different tastes. That's expected. However, being "stuck up" refers to looking down upon others for not liking the same qualities as yourself - generally when that person thinks their own opinions are the pinacle of achievement.
I guess we can try to find the lowest UID for a user that didn't know...
I've been here for a while and never knew about the username link thing.
So rejecting a patch means you don't care about your users? Linus must really hate us all then!
Ah, I see what you meant now.
I think a large part of this is perception, though. The core maintainers list for linux is a pretty closely knit team too, I imagine. How hard is it to get to that status level? Maybe it's as hard as getting to be an OpenBSD team member. I don't know, but that seems like a good guess.
Here's your documentation on applying patches:
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#Patches
AFAIK, OpenBSD doesn't contain obscure libraries in it's base system - at least, not by my understanding of obscure.
Do you mean that you installed a package or a port, and need to compile dependencies when you patch that software? Well that shouldn't be too surprising.
It sounds like your main gripe is that OpenBSD doesn't aggressively maintain its package database with security fixes like Debian. This part is somewhat true. They do maintain the tagged versions of ports in cvs, and I believe they release upgraded packages too. But I don't think they monitor it as well as a large group like Debian.
OpenBSD's strength is in its core, and that's why people choose to use it.
You're argument is based on OpenBSD not attracting any new developers ... which I think is pretty unlikely.
Also disable system restore.
I was reading this book (Stiff by Mary Roach) and it mentioned how airline companies determined if they should deploy certain saftey devices on airplanes. The formula was like the one rattled off in Fight Club, based on the cost of the settlement payouts for those who died or were injured.
... will ... be off a bit, but the concept holds I think. I googled a bit to try and find the numbers, but didn't net anything. If someone wants to correct the numbers, feel free. ;)
I think it was something like 2 or 4 million USD a human life was worth in a settlement. And the number shown on the FBI warning screen says something like $250k for violating the copyright. So basically, in monetary value, a human life lost due to neglegence or whatever is worth about 8 to 16 video pirating charges. Kind of sad.
This is all based on my memory of the book quote of the settlement price, so I may
But hey, that's just my opinion ... Sorry for the OT.
George,
Have Donald locate one of his trained apes to find the WMDs for you. He told the press a while back that even they knew Iraq had 'em.
Hope that helps.
The best quote is one from Rumsfeld on how even trained apes know Iraq has WMDs.
51% of the voters backed this guys team. *sigh*
"OpenBSD finds bugs in auditted code on a fairly regular basis, so auditting isn't the end all be all that the post I was responding too seemed to believe it might be."
... you gotta agree that counts for something.
Software will have bugs - unless you're Donald Knuth, maybe. You can either actively look for them, or just wait for the user reports. Which is better?
Your point about services is very true. Open can't audit all of the software in the world. However, they take pride in making the core OS as secure as they can. Sure they won't catch everything. Sure other OS distributions care about security as well. But Open makes it their top priority
Nader can't fill every seat in every state congress, or the federal congress, can he?
He probably meant Half Life 2 ... another PC title. It's a better comparison since they're on the same platform.
(Unless HL2 had a console rollout simultaneously)
I hope you're right.
... but it turns out that I just can't deal with endless hours of repetative simplistic gameplay to get to the end-game any more.
I thought WoW was going to be the big one for me
GW sounds like a much needed change in design of these games to take the focus off of the time-sink aspect.
While I haven't played it yet (I will this weekend), I remember hearing people say somewhere that it's skill in a strategy/tactical sense, and not twitch skill. Maybe twitch is what the guy above meant.
As for me, I prefer strategy & tactics over twitch skills, so this game has me interested.
In regards to your first post, people say CS Ph.D's don't know anything because they often (but not always) have not focused as much of their time actually practicing their craft in a business environment. It's often quite a different game out there in the real world.
For example, most people on /. will talk about CS degrees. Getting a CS degree means little when it comes to successfully running a consulting project from start to end. Sure you can say that the sheer willpower involved in enduring the college experience says something positive. But, IMHO, not following the herd in believing you need a degree says something positive as well.
Negative. This is not the same as guided education.
Which do you value more, someone that shows initiative and can learn complex subject matters on their own, or someone that has to have their hand held and the subject matter read to them?
You're right, it's not the same. Don't let intellectual elitism beguile you.
I believe you can also just donate cash if you don't want to send some toys to the hospital - though amazon.com makes it so easy to do so.
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The kids down in Houston got a gamecube (w/ mkdd) and 3 extra controllers from me. Hope they enjoy.
This is very true. I had the same experience and had to upgrade from 512 to 1 gig for it to be playable in Qeynos.
Appointments to the Supreme Court are nothing to write off ... They're a big part of the system, and have the final say on many things. These guys are appointed for life and will be around (generally) longer than any President.
... even though the President may not do much directly, the political influence cannot be underestimated.
Besides
That's exactly why my vote is going for Kerry instead of 3rd parties.
Another important thing at stake is the Supreme Court nominations.
I admit that I'm new to the beta and only experienced low-end content.
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So what's this 'glass ceiling' you talk about.
Really, I am curious. I'd rather not waste time on a MMORPG that has a lame end-game.
Examples people
Then you have tons of posts on the EQ2 related item yesterday saying how this game is like 6 months away from release. Of course, no one ever says WHY. I wish they would, because I'm honestly curious.
I've really enjoyed the game at the moment, and bet that it should be able to survive Release Day without too much pain (barring networking issues from too many players of course ...).
Odd ... I've been beta testing the last 4 days or so, and it certainly hasn't been a bad experience.
... while you're trolling, why don't you do something constructive like list some things that need 6 months (!!) to work out?
It could be the market is forcing them to release early, but probably not in the way you expect. The Market does not allow for a company to develop extremely complex software long enough to fix every problem and include every feature before release. If this was required, only simplistic software would ever make it to market. You *must* have a certain tollerance for problems.
That said, I've had a pleasant experience beta testing so far. I haven't found any major issues personally, but then again theres a lot of content I haven't explored.
So
Bush The First was sent packing before 1996.