How about giant laser canons on Mars? Oh, never mind, that's not useful for spacecraft, I was confusing the use of lasers with creating (or saving) green jobs.
There's a lot... of people beleiving in AGW as a religious faith, and not with any understanding of the science.
Nicely put. It's a dangerous thing when a mob replaces rational, critical thinking with bumper sticker slogans and euphemisms, whether labeling things "green" this or "Jesus saves" that. 550nm is just a wavelength (in fact the best absorbed in the spectrum of visible light here on earth) and without finishing the sentence, it's not clear what Jesus saves. I'm sure Jesus doesn't litter or waste gas, but I'm not sure he'd agree with most of what Gore, Manning, Bush, Obama, or Perry have to say, I'd like to think He's above all that, worried about both bigger things (peace on earth) and smaller things (be good to each other), but not wasting his time on electric cars or color preferences.
"AGW proponents mostly just assert that disbelievers are ignorant rubes"
The science is pretty well established, that there is indeed not just "climate CHANGE", but that in fact, the earth's system is warming. This hardly requires any physical experimentation at all, though confirmation through empirical data is crucial for any rigorous proof. Simply, the energy of the sun bathes the earth 24/7/365 and the earth's system either reflects or absorbs the energy. Without 100% reflective efficiency, it's absorbs a net positive amount. Since there is no medium whereby the heat can be disbursed into space, we must conclude that it's energy increases over time. Some of that might be absorbed in endothermic reactions, giving us potential energy (e.g. trees, fossil fuels, life of just about any sort), but inevitably some hangs around as a net increase in kinetic energy.
Anything that reflects would decrease the absorption into our system, or more succinctly, anything that reflects the energy back out into space reduces the absorption. So if your intent is to reduce warming, mirrors=good, dark things=bad. Solar panels, for example, are dark for the purpose of absorbing as much energy from the sun as possible, ergo, solar panels=bad. It's unlikely that anything else we do can help or hurt more than that. I guess we could set up high powered lasers and "beam" excess heat into space, but that's probably as stupid as it sounds, only second in idiocy to orbiting solar panels that "beam" a net increase of energy back to earth, but tied with clearing away our CO2 producing, highly absorptive plant life and chrome plating the exposed earth to increase reflectivity.
I think the best option is to stop worrying, be happy, use our energy sources where they are best suited, and stop lining the pockets of political sycophants and their corporate cronies with this wacky "green" crap. (am I allowed to say that!?)
"The vague language of the report there indicates to me this isn't a big deal, or else they would've been specific. The big point is that the data were not faked."
I don't know, but "vague language" usually indicates something is being hidden. Anything short of "specific (language)" would be reason enough to short the validity and effect of the report. The big point isn't that the data was fake, but that the data was selectively chosen, and that this is the case is evident from complaints from the Russians, Chinese, and Australians that all of their climate data collection points were not used. It doesn't conclude that the earth is warming, cooling, or just gelling, but it doesn't speak well of Mann's methodology, either. Let's just put him over there with Ponns and Fleischmann and get on with real science.
Not right, but it's starting to make sense. After a few years of high dose radiation, Americans will be clamoring to get free rectal examines from the friendly TSA folks looking for cancer of the colon and prostrate.
"The experiment continues in the search for even greater precision."
If they've discovered so far that it's about as round as can be, why are they wasting their time looking for more precision!? Let's just say it's perfectly round and call it a day.
Or maybe they're like the yahoos posting above that can kill hours talking about the shape and size of things of no consequence!?
"I wonder how long it will be until small bullets could be made to be guided by laser."
I don't know, but it won't be long after that when the US Government makes up some big made-up technology to scare the Russians (or the enemy-de-jour) that we can take out said guided bullets mid flight.
I once got an opposing party in litigation to reveal the address of a family member simply by chatting about a "shared" interest in horticulture (whatever that is)!
"Scientists at the Wake Forest Institute for Regenerative Medicine, inspired by standard inkjet printers found in many home offices, are developing a specialized skin 'printing' system"
So, I pulled up an old Newspaper article from 15250 BC (amazing what Google has scanned in to date!), and it had this:
"Grog and Togoth at the second cave after the boulder, inspired by standard sprayed blood found in caves, are developing a specialized skin 'printing' system."
They also had a solution for Male Erectile Deficiency, but it involved chisels and sheep skin and I don't think it actually worked.
This is absolutely brilliant! We don't have to monetize the crap out of the dollar through profligate printing at the Fed. Instead, we lawyer up and sue the crap out of the Chinese in our courts and in their arrogance, they do diddly squat like the consolute did in this case. They lose judgment after judgment by default, and then when they come to claim California, Oregon, and Washington states, we serve the execution writs on the many judgments and then they only get California instead of the whole damn West Coast.
The article says "that the magma can act as a potent new source of geothermal energy powerful enough to heat 25,000 to 30,000 homes"
it neglected to mention that it's also powerful enough to vaporize 25,000 to 30,000 homes and their inhabitants. Hopefully science fiction won't come true!
("Volcano" with Tommy Lee Jones was a horrible film)
I'd like to see these alternative fuels tomorrow rather than next week or next century, so rather than pass more bills, I'd like the government, whether it's the US Congress or the British House of Lords, get their noses out of the private sector and worry about what food to serve up in their respective cafeterias. The only time "governments" make technology move faster is when there's a war to fight, and suffice it to say, we don't need any more of those going on right now.
"The arguments on climate involve fundamental disagreements about what's actually happening, not just whether certain things should happen or not."
Probably a good assessment, but I add that without the ever-present agenda of politicizing AGW, an elementary school child with nominal physics could figure this one out. The sun pounds the earth 24-7 with radiation and only a portion is reflected. Heat can't transfer through a vacuum except by radiation, so whatever isn't reflected remains in the Earth's environ. It's obviously going to heat up over time.
All that crap about greenhouse gases is just that, crap. Nothing to do with it, won't speed up the demise of the Earth nor slow it down. Carry on folks.
People (Americans) ARE doing something, they are moving the seeds of discord and chaos from their midst back to the Congress, effectively restoring a balance of power. Of course those that like big authoritarian governments that like to tell people how they can use the Internet and for whom every burr under the saddle becomes a platform for long speeches, these sycophants and their small but vocal band of lemmings would term it as "Gridlock", but isn't that the ultimate achievement of a democratic form of government - to hamstring authoritarian tendencies in government and force deliberation and hinder fiat compulsion of the masses?
I like the Leahy quote:
"If they existed in the physical world, the store would be shuttered immediately and the proprietors would be arrested."
The response:
"yeah, but they don't exist in the physical world, so shut up with your false analogies!"
Free for the asking, just find a controversial web site, insert a comment, and in a few weeks you'll find a free GPS tracking device magically attached to the underside of your car. Just imagine the ensuing fun, attaching these to taxis and buses, or boats! I do not recommend trying to attach one of these to the outside of an airplane, however, especially when they are in motion.
I tried it out and got a very cranky middle age woman who's first question was an abrupt "where did you get this number!?" She calmed down and explained how long it took her to get her number changed from 867-5309. She's saddened that she would have to go get a new number now. I told her to stop writing it on bathroom walls and she hung up on me. Was I being insensitive?
Ooops, never mind, my wife just advised me there are no penguins North of the Equator. I guess it was a chicken, then. Still, I'm furious at the original land developers that left a huge stone in the middle of my yard, cost a fortune to excavate it.
Not sure what all of the excitement is about, my kids found a 7" penguin fossil in our backyard while we were digging holes to secure a trampoline. It cost me $85 to rent a Bobcat and over $100 to have some day workers haul it away to the dump.
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but it keeps right on defying gravity.
That would be due to the effect of the reality distortion field.
How about giant laser canons on Mars? Oh, never mind, that's not useful for spacecraft, I was confusing the use of lasers with creating (or saving) green jobs.
There's a lot ... of people beleiving in AGW as a religious faith, and not with any understanding of the science.
Nicely put. It's a dangerous thing when a mob replaces rational, critical thinking with bumper sticker slogans and euphemisms, whether labeling things "green" this or "Jesus saves" that. 550nm is just a wavelength (in fact the best absorbed in the spectrum of visible light here on earth) and without finishing the sentence, it's not clear what Jesus saves. I'm sure Jesus doesn't litter or waste gas, but I'm not sure he'd agree with most of what Gore, Manning, Bush, Obama, or Perry have to say, I'd like to think He's above all that, worried about both bigger things (peace on earth) and smaller things (be good to each other), but not wasting his time on electric cars or color preferences.
"AGW proponents mostly just assert that disbelievers are ignorant rubes"
The science is pretty well established, that there is indeed not just "climate CHANGE", but that in fact, the earth's system is warming. This hardly requires any physical experimentation at all, though confirmation through empirical data is crucial for any rigorous proof. Simply, the energy of the sun bathes the earth 24/7/365 and the earth's system either reflects or absorbs the energy. Without 100% reflective efficiency, it's absorbs a net positive amount. Since there is no medium whereby the heat can be disbursed into space, we must conclude that it's energy increases over time. Some of that might be absorbed in endothermic reactions, giving us potential energy (e.g. trees, fossil fuels, life of just about any sort), but inevitably some hangs around as a net increase in kinetic energy.
Anything that reflects would decrease the absorption into our system, or more succinctly, anything that reflects the energy back out into space reduces the absorption. So if your intent is to reduce warming, mirrors=good, dark things=bad. Solar panels, for example, are dark for the purpose of absorbing as much energy from the sun as possible, ergo, solar panels=bad. It's unlikely that anything else we do can help or hurt more than that. I guess we could set up high powered lasers and "beam" excess heat into space, but that's probably as stupid as it sounds, only second in idiocy to orbiting solar panels that "beam" a net increase of energy back to earth, but tied with clearing away our CO2 producing, highly absorptive plant life and chrome plating the exposed earth to increase reflectivity.
I think the best option is to stop worrying, be happy, use our energy sources where they are best suited, and stop lining the pockets of political sycophants and their corporate cronies with this wacky "green" crap. (am I allowed to say that!?)
"The vague language of the report there indicates to me this isn't a big deal, or else they would've been specific. The big point is that the data were not faked."
I don't know, but "vague language" usually indicates something is being hidden. Anything short of "specific (language)" would be reason enough to short the validity and effect of the report. The big point isn't that the data was fake, but that the data was selectively chosen, and that this is the case is evident from complaints from the Russians, Chinese, and Australians that all of their climate data collection points were not used. It doesn't conclude that the earth is warming, cooling, or just gelling, but it doesn't speak well of Mann's methodology, either. Let's just put him over there with Ponns and Fleischmann and get on with real science.
"New Technology Turns Windows Into Solar Panels"
I knew someone would figure a good use for Windows. Hopefully there won't be driver and registry problems with the Solar Panels.
Not right, but it's starting to make sense. After a few years of high dose radiation, Americans will be clamoring to get free rectal examines from the friendly TSA folks looking for cancer of the colon and prostrate.
"The experiment continues in the search for even greater precision."
If they've discovered so far that it's about as round as can be, why are they wasting their time looking for more precision!? Let's just say it's perfectly round and call it a day.
Or maybe they're like the yahoos posting above that can kill hours talking about the shape and size of things of no consequence!?
"I wonder how long it will be until small bullets could be made to be guided by laser."
I don't know, but it won't be long after that when the US Government makes up some big made-up technology to scare the Russians (or the enemy-de-jour) that we can take out said guided bullets mid flight.
I once got an opposing party in litigation to reveal the address of a family member simply by chatting about a "shared" interest in horticulture (whatever that is)!
"But how can we obtain the needed unobtainium?"
Don't need it anymore since they discovered a large seam of notsorarium.
The article said,
"Scientists at the Wake Forest Institute for Regenerative Medicine, inspired by standard inkjet printers found in many home offices, are developing a specialized skin 'printing' system"
So, I pulled up an old Newspaper article from 15250 BC (amazing what Google has scanned in to date!), and it had this:
"Grog and Togoth at the second cave after the boulder, inspired by standard sprayed blood found in caves, are developing a specialized skin 'printing' system."
They also had a solution for Male Erectile Deficiency, but it involved chisels and sheep skin and I don't think it actually worked.
"China doesn't get paid"
This is absolutely brilliant! We don't have to monetize the crap out of the dollar through profligate printing at the Fed. Instead, we lawyer up and sue the crap out of the Chinese in our courts and in their arrogance, they do diddly squat like the consolute did in this case. They lose judgment after judgment by default, and then when they come to claim California, Oregon, and Washington states, we serve the execution writs on the many judgments and then they only get California instead of the whole damn West Coast.
"You must be the most pessimistic person I ever encountered"
Let me introduce myself then.
But just to put a positive spin on this, it was cheaper than the fake lunar landing and Raygun's Star Wars program!
The article says "that the magma can act as a potent new source of geothermal energy powerful enough to heat 25,000 to 30,000 homes"
it neglected to mention that it's also powerful enough to vaporize 25,000 to 30,000 homes and their inhabitants. Hopefully science fiction won't come true!
("Volcano" with Tommy Lee Jones was a horrible film)
I'd like to see these alternative fuels tomorrow rather than next week or next century, so rather than pass more bills, I'd like the government, whether it's the US Congress or the British House of Lords, get their noses out of the private sector and worry about what food to serve up in their respective cafeterias. The only time "governments" make technology move faster is when there's a war to fight, and suffice it to say, we don't need any more of those going on right now.
"The arguments on climate involve fundamental disagreements about what's actually happening, not just whether certain things should happen or not."
Probably a good assessment, but I add that without the ever-present agenda of politicizing AGW, an elementary school child with nominal physics could figure this one out. The sun pounds the earth 24-7 with radiation and only a portion is reflected. Heat can't transfer through a vacuum except by radiation, so whatever isn't reflected remains in the Earth's environ. It's obviously going to heat up over time.
All that crap about greenhouse gases is just that, crap. Nothing to do with it, won't speed up the demise of the Earth nor slow it down. Carry on folks.
People (Americans) ARE doing something, they are moving the seeds of discord and chaos from their midst back to the Congress, effectively restoring a balance of power. Of course those that like big authoritarian governments that like to tell people how they can use the Internet and for whom every burr under the saddle becomes a platform for long speeches, these sycophants and their small but vocal band of lemmings would term it as "Gridlock", but isn't that the ultimate achievement of a democratic form of government - to hamstring authoritarian tendencies in government and force deliberation and hinder fiat compulsion of the masses?
I like the Leahy quote:
"If they existed in the physical world, the store would be shuttered immediately and the proprietors would be arrested."
The response:
"yeah, but they don't exist in the physical world, so shut up with your false analogies!"
What a shocking development
Makes you want to keep up with CURRENT events!
Free for the asking, just find a controversial web site, insert a comment, and in a few weeks you'll find a free GPS tracking device magically attached to the underside of your car. Just imagine the ensuing fun, attaching these to taxis and buses, or boats! I do not recommend trying to attach one of these to the outside of an airplane, however, especially when they are in motion.
This is worthy of a front page news item why?
And you followed the link to read it and THEN commented because?
I tried it out and got a very cranky middle age woman who's first question was an abrupt "where did you get this number!?" She calmed down and explained how long it took her to get her number changed from 867-5309. She's saddened that she would have to go get a new number now. I told her to stop writing it on bathroom walls and she hung up on me. Was I being insensitive?
Ooops, never mind, my wife just advised me there are no penguins North of the Equator. I guess it was a chicken, then. Still, I'm furious at the original land developers that left a huge stone in the middle of my yard, cost a fortune to excavate it.
Not sure what all of the excitement is about, my kids found a 7" penguin fossil in our backyard while we were digging holes to secure a trampoline. It cost me $85 to rent a Bobcat and over $100 to have some day workers haul it away to the dump.
Do the Vegans harass you for eating Christians?