That's not the point. The point is that important documents are written in.doc format. Historians will hate us for using that.
If it was up to historians we'd all be writing on stone tablets.
Magnetic and optical supports aren't very long lasting...
Of course I'm all for open standards (go Staroffice/OpenOffice.org!). I was just telling the guy that his precious diary could be future-proof without having to destroy microsoft first.
I can see why you'd pick those two movies... they're so similar. I love the scene in Finding Nemo where Nemo severs the heads of an entire school of fish.
1) What's wrong with me not liking wal-mart? Why should I "learn to pick [my] fights better"? I don't understand why you are so upset by me not liking wal-mart's policy (and that's just one among others)
2)I don't have a car. But that's beside the point, since most people have no (realistic) choice but to buy from these "evil oil companies". Hell, even public transportation is encouraging them!
You seem to just be pissed at the values used by WalMart to censor things. Most other CD stores simply "censor" anything does does not appeal to the broadest possible market - if anyone were really worried about kids growing up in a limited understanding of what music was then that is far more scary. Sure everyone else carries Korn... but do they carry much else that's LIKE Korn? Not if it does not sell by the millions.
In fact that very effect has been the vicious circle that combined with radio has led us to where we are today. I don't know if online sales will free us from the cycle but I think so (though why hasn't P2P had an effect? Not sure).
Well, that's the age old problem that commercial music has to deal with.
I haven't given much thought to it lately because I haven't bought music on major labels in a few years, but I suppose that P2P could help produce some kind of musical darwinism.
I know it does for me, anyway. I listen to everything before buying and just buy albums I like (small labels like willowtip.com usually sell for 10$ including shipping, which is pretty reasonable so I don't mind buying), so I only encourage the bands that I think are good.
If everybody could listen to a wide range of material and buy only what they think is good, it'd discourage the industry to produce big "puppet" bands that sell only on the basis of one single and lots of marketing.
The music would have to be good all the way through, no just a single and cool sunglasses.
Well, okay. Maybe my beef is more idealistic in nature, but I still believe that censorship -- for books, music, the internet, whatever -- is a Bad Thing(tm).
haha. Yeah. Please tell me what I am. You obviously know better than I do...
I am not in favor of GOVERNMENT burning anything. Reality is not a person telling you to beat up women, rape them, kill them, burn their bodies, and sell them into prostitution. Reality is not extolling the virtues of killing cops. Reality is NOT what is being sold often. You can tell your children about all the bad things AND still enforce a policy of them not induldging in massively damaging messages of violence, rap, obscenity, sex, and immorality. Telling a child one thing - no matter how often - and then throwing them to the pop culture wolves - is a stupid, mis-guided, and ultimately failure-bound policy.
Why do you automatically assume that because something is censored that it is gangsta rap about these very subject matters?
Lots of other things get censored for almost no reason (say "fuck" once, have a sinister looking artwork).
Music is like films, to a certain extent. If you watch The Godfather or Scarface, does it mean that you want to kill people with chainsaws? If you watch a horror movie, does it mean you want to act like a monster?
Gangsta rap (a genre I dislike, btw) is the same thing. It tells story and poses... But it's fiction. Metal can also be like that, with lyrics about killing and satan and stuff. It's just part of the genre, like how horror movies have certain conventions.
No, that's the GOVERNMENT again. I am however, supportive of my right to purchase media that conforms to my own political, moral, and social views.
I have no problem with you purchasing what you want, but I have problem with big corporation censoring the work of artists. To me it's the equivalent of having the biggest and cheapest ISP around censoring the content of the net (content that they didn't produce). Sure you can go find other ISPs, but does it make what they do right? We are not living in a free market. It exists only in theory.
[snip comment about me being a racist -- haha, hurray for ad hominem] by implying that support of Wal-Mart censorsing indicates a support for "book burning" and "jailing people for thought crimes".
I was just pushing it further, because the difference is quantitative, not qualitative. When someone starts to choose for someone else what that person should and shouldn't think instead of having it in the open to dicsuss and understand it, it starts to get ugly. And no, it doesn't have to be the government -- the gov doesn't have a monopoly on having power over people. Others have a lot of it too...
Just use mail order. There's always an alternative to Walmart.. It's Walmart! Join Columbia House or something.
Oh, it's not a problem for me. I own over 600 CDs and about 90% of them aren't on major labels so I couldn't have gotten them at wal-mart anyway.
But I'm talking in general, about how this dilutes culture. And how kids who are just starting out with music could be fooled into thinking that it's all there is to it, some ultra-limited, purged and censored selection from wal-mart.
I know, I know... They are a private store and can choose what they carry. Fine. But that's like saying that it's okay for Microsoft to do what they want because they are a private company and "people just have to not buy from them."
That's good in theory, but it ain't gonna happen in real life. Not for a while anyway.
Anyway, back to the original point: promoting censorship = bad
In any case, I retract "joe mullet" but only because people like you will use it to muddy up the point. I'm canadian and have nothing against mullets. It just sounded cool as a generic name.
But I do have something against censorship and the "I know better than you what you need" folks like you who accept it as something normal and good.
If you don't want your kids to be badly influenced by something, be a parent and tell them about it, dammit. It's not by shielding them from reality that you'll achieve anything. Next you'll be in favor of burning "dangerous" books and putting people in jail for thought crimes.
I just hope you are not the kind of person who is offended by sex on the TV and finds it okay for his kids to watch terminator.
Ultimately, it's Walmart's decision NOT to sell music that they find offensive. The consumer will decide if that decision is a worthy one, and so far, Wal-mart hasn't changed their mind for an obvious reason: it hasn't hurt them in the least to sell radio edits.
That'd play well in a free market. This isn't one.
Besides, if you want kid-friendly music, buy from kid-friendly artists. You should be the one educating your kids and deciding for them if you so choose, not have a store decide for everybody.
As I said, there are many places where there are no alternatives to walmart (or almost none -- or they are as bad).
Not that I listen to music that is popular enough to be sold at wal-mart, but there's also the belief that art isn't just a commodity/product that you can modify to fit a "market". Well, maybe it works for the more commercial artists, but others actually have something to say.
For the record, it's not censorship for a retailer to choose what they're willing to sell.
It bites, and the fact that they don't clearly label the "WalMart Edit" as such is bordering on deception, but it's not censorship.
censor ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snsr)
n.
1. A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.
I don't care how they do it, they are still forcing artists to modify their vision and keep lots of people from accessing the original piece of work.
Sure they can select what they sell, but it doesn't mean that it's not censorship. When they throw their economic weight around to get people to re-record songs, or when they alter artwork and lyrics. That's censorship.
When the biggest store in the USA decides that it won't carry any album what has X or Y on it, it's pressure put on the artists to conform or suffer huge losses of money and exposure.
For joe mullet that lives in a small town that doesn't have indie music stores and such, wall-mart is often the place when he first discovers music (at age 11 or whatever). If all they carry is a "weeded out" selection, it could affect his tastes for years and reduce his horizons quite a bit.
I'd never buy anything from wal-mart just because they have been a major promoter of censorship in music (and films). I suspect their online music store is the same.
You think that Intel chips will be running 5 to 7ghz 9 months to a year from now? Look at their roadmaps...
Personally, I'd go with AMD over Intel any day.
Performance/price ratio is almost 2:1 in favor of AMD EXCEPT at the very top of the line where it gets closer (with AMD still winning by a nice margin).
Intel is only better if you have a really fat wallet.
Yeah, I know; websites tend to compared a Athlon 3200+ with a Pentium 4 3.2ghz and conclude that the P4 is better.
But they get the CPUs for free! If you actually compared, say, an Athlon 2800+ from AMD with something SIMILARLY priced from Intel you'll see that AMD is clearly the winner.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on how the internet shouldn't turn into some kind of big virtual mall, but I can't say that I totally agree on the server thing; technically, you can have a website without hosting the server yourself (ie. your ISP hosts your webpage for you or you pay a third party to do it).
So having the possibility to run a sever is not absolutely necessary and I'll bet that most of the small content-driven websites are not hosted by individuals (esp. with the rise of blogspot & co.), although I personally wish ISPs were friendlier to the idea of people running severs.
Well, he got them for free because they were "dead" and didn't appear to have much problem getting them running again (as in not a lot of parts), so I think you're mistaken.
I said elsewhere that I didn't know that he got the material for free since (the article was slashdotted not long after I loaded up the page, but I saw pictures of pretty expensive looking equipment).
I still think my point stands for most people who will sink lots of money into overclocking.
But you seem to be missing the point that you can't buy a P4 that goes faster than 3.2GHz, yet this rig was reaching speeds of 4.4GHz. Admittedly he was starting with a 3GHz CPU, but the price jump for the extra 200MHz would have been a lot more than this cooling rig cost him -- and it could be used with a faster CPU anyway.
It makes sense in some case if things can only be done with a single CPU (ie. gaming), but if he's doing TiVO stuff (as I think he's doing) or database or whatever, it'd be more efficient (if he hadn't had the material for free, I mean) to buy more hardware (RAM, dual procs, dedicated DSPs, faster hds, etc) instead of more cooling.
Extreme overclocking often takes the fastest available processor and then overclocks it as much as possible. The goal is not the most bang for your buck, but purely the most bang.
Yes, but as I said in my original post, wouldn't the "most bang" come from buying other CPUs, instead of making the one(s) you have run X% faster, with that money?
I'll bet that cooling rig is worth a bunch of Opterons...
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That's not the point. The point is that important documents are written in .doc format. Historians will hate us for using that.
If it was up to historians we'd all be writing on stone tablets.
Magnetic and optical supports aren't very long lasting...
Of course I'm all for open standards (go Staroffice/OpenOffice.org!). I was just telling the guy that his precious diary could be future-proof without having to destroy microsoft first.
Or more importantly, I want my diary to be readable in 20 years, thank you very much.
Do what I do; write it in plain text.
MacOS != OSX
Well, without a version number I assumed that "the mac OS [port bounty]" was OS X, as, well, it is right now, and we are right now.
Just as if someone asked a build for windows I wouldn't assume that they were talking about windows 3.11.
Sorry.
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/rel eases/mozilla1.6b/mozilla-mac-MachO-1.6b.dmg.gz
e ases/Camino-0.7.dmg.gz
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/camino/rel
Both are linked from the frontpage.
I'd like to invest in getting a recent version of Mozilla ported to Mac-OS.
Is this a troll?
I suggest you go to Mozilla.org.
I can see why you'd pick those two movies... they're so similar. I love the scene in Finding Nemo where Nemo severs the heads of an entire school of fish.
Well, the dentist scene was pretty horrific...
Hey, relax. I know MikeCapone. Some of his best friends have mullets. He even marched on Washington in the 60's for mullet rights. He's no racist.
That made my day. Thanks, AC!
1) What's wrong with me not liking wal-mart? Why should I "learn to pick [my] fights better"? I don't understand why you are so upset by me not liking wal-mart's policy (and that's just one among others)
2)I don't have a car. But that's beside the point, since most people have no (realistic) choice but to buy from these "evil oil companies". Hell, even public transportation is encouraging them!
Where's my hydrogen car?
You seem to just be pissed at the values used by WalMart to censor things. Most other CD stores simply "censor" anything does does not appeal to the broadest possible market - if anyone were really worried about kids growing up in a limited understanding of what music was then that is far more scary. Sure everyone else carries Korn... but do they carry much else that's LIKE Korn? Not if it does not sell by the millions.
In fact that very effect has been the vicious circle that combined with radio has led us to where we are today. I don't know if online sales will free us from the cycle but I think so (though why hasn't P2P had an effect? Not sure).
Well, that's the age old problem that commercial music has to deal with.
I haven't given much thought to it lately because I haven't bought music on major labels in a few years, but I suppose that P2P could help produce some kind of musical darwinism.
I know it does for me, anyway. I listen to everything before buying and just buy albums I like (small labels like willowtip.com usually sell for 10$ including shipping, which is pretty reasonable so I don't mind buying), so I only encourage the bands that I think are good.
If everybody could listen to a wide range of material and buy only what they think is good, it'd discourage the industry to produce big "puppet" bands that sell only on the basis of one single and lots of marketing.
The music would have to be good all the way through, no just a single and cool sunglasses.
*shrug*
Well, okay. Maybe my beef is more idealistic in nature, but I still believe that censorship -- for books, music, the internet, whatever -- is a Bad Thing(tm).
It's racist. It shows your true colors.
haha. Yeah. Please tell me what I am. You obviously know better than I do...
I am not in favor of GOVERNMENT burning anything. Reality is not a person telling you to beat up women, rape them, kill them, burn their bodies, and sell them into prostitution. Reality is not extolling the virtues of killing cops. Reality is NOT what is being sold often. You can tell your children about all the bad things AND still enforce a policy of them not induldging in massively damaging messages of violence, rap, obscenity, sex, and immorality. Telling a child one thing - no matter how often - and then throwing them to the pop culture wolves - is a stupid, mis-guided, and ultimately failure-bound policy.
Why do you automatically assume that because something is censored that it is gangsta rap about these very subject matters?
Lots of other things get censored for almost no reason (say "fuck" once, have a sinister looking artwork).
Music is like films, to a certain extent. If you watch The Godfather or Scarface, does it mean that you want to kill people with chainsaws? If you watch a horror movie, does it mean you want to act like a monster?
Gangsta rap (a genre I dislike, btw) is the same thing. It tells story and poses... But it's fiction. Metal can also be like that, with lyrics about killing and satan and stuff. It's just part of the genre, like how horror movies have certain conventions.
No, that's the GOVERNMENT again. I am however, supportive of my right to purchase media that conforms to my own political, moral, and social views.
I have no problem with you purchasing what you want, but I have problem with big corporation censoring the work of artists. To me it's the equivalent of having the biggest and cheapest ISP around censoring the content of the net (content that they didn't produce). Sure you can go find other ISPs, but does it make what they do right? We are not living in a free market. It exists only in theory.
[snip comment about me being a racist -- haha, hurray for ad hominem] by implying that support of Wal-Mart censorsing indicates a support for "book burning" and "jailing people for thought crimes".
I was just pushing it further, because the difference is quantitative, not qualitative. When someone starts to choose for someone else what that person should and shouldn't think instead of having it in the open to dicsuss and understand it, it starts to get ugly. And no, it doesn't have to be the government -- the gov doesn't have a monopoly on having power over people. Others have a lot of it too...
Just use mail order. There's always an alternative to Walmart.. It's Walmart! Join Columbia House or something.
Oh, it's not a problem for me. I own over 600 CDs and about 90% of them aren't on major labels so I couldn't have gotten them at wal-mart anyway.
But I'm talking in general, about how this dilutes culture. And how kids who are just starting out with music could be fooled into thinking that it's all there is to it, some ultra-limited, purged and censored selection from wal-mart.
I know, I know... They are a private store and can choose what they carry. Fine. But that's like saying that it's okay for Microsoft to do what they want because they are a private company and "people just have to not buy from them."
That's good in theory, but it ain't gonna happen in real life. Not for a while anyway.
Anyway, back to the original point: promoting censorship = bad
Nice troll.
In any case, I retract "joe mullet" but only because people like you will use it to muddy up the point. I'm canadian and have nothing against mullets. It just sounded cool as a generic name.
But I do have something against censorship and the "I know better than you what you need" folks like you who accept it as something normal and good.
If you don't want your kids to be badly influenced by something, be a parent and tell them about it, dammit. It's not by shielding them from reality that you'll achieve anything. Next you'll be in favor of burning "dangerous" books and putting people in jail for thought crimes.
I just hope you are not the kind of person who is offended by sex on the TV and finds it okay for his kids to watch terminator.
Ultimately, it's Walmart's decision NOT to sell music that they find offensive. The consumer will decide if that decision is a worthy one, and so far, Wal-mart hasn't changed their mind for an obvious reason: it hasn't hurt them in the least to sell radio edits.
That'd play well in a free market. This isn't one.
Besides, if you want kid-friendly music, buy from kid-friendly artists. You should be the one educating your kids and deciding for them if you so choose, not have a store decide for everybody.
As I said, there are many places where there are no alternatives to walmart (or almost none -- or they are as bad).
Not that I listen to music that is popular enough to be sold at wal-mart, but there's also the belief that art isn't just a commodity/product that you can modify to fit a "market". Well, maybe it works for the more commercial artists, but others actually have something to say.
For the record, it's not censorship for a retailer to choose what they're willing to sell. It bites, and the fact that they don't clearly label the "WalMart Edit" as such is bordering on deception, but it's not censorship.
censor ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snsr) n.
1. A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.
I don't care how they do it, they are still forcing artists to modify their vision and keep lots of people from accessing the original piece of work.
Sure they can select what they sell, but it doesn't mean that it's not censorship. When they throw their economic weight around to get people to re-record songs, or when they alter artwork and lyrics. That's censorship.
When the biggest store in the USA decides that it won't carry any album what has X or Y on it, it's pressure put on the artists to conform or suffer huge losses of money and exposure.
For joe mullet that lives in a small town that doesn't have indie music stores and such, wall-mart is often the place when he first discovers music (at age 11 or whatever). If all they carry is a "weeded out" selection, it could affect his tastes for years and reduce his horizons quite a bit.
I'd never buy anything from wal-mart just because they have been a major promoter of censorship in music (and films). I suspect their online music store is the same.
Finding Nemo was really fun and Kill Bill Vol.1 was very entertaining. I can't wait for volume 2.
Mystic River was pretty good.
Les Invasions Barbares (transl. to The Barbarian Invasions) was excellent.
I still haven't seen Lost in Translation. I hear it's great. 21 Grams seems really good too.
Pirates of the Carribean was surprisingly fun. A mix between The Princess Bride (but not as good story) and old computer game Monkey Island.
I can't think of anything else right now. Haven't seen RotK yet. Hopefully it'll be better than The Two Towers.
Seems very nice on my old K6-2 450mhz
Hopefully it'll turn out to be stable.
You think that Intel chips will be running 5 to 7ghz 9 months to a year from now? Look at their roadmaps...
Personally, I'd go with AMD over Intel any day.
Performance/price ratio is almost 2:1 in favor of AMD EXCEPT at the very top of the line where it gets closer (with AMD still winning by a nice margin).
Intel is only better if you have a really fat wallet.
Yeah, I know; websites tend to compared a Athlon 3200+ with a Pentium 4 3.2ghz and conclude that the P4 is better.
But they get the CPUs for free! If you actually compared, say, an Athlon 2800+ from AMD with something SIMILARLY priced from Intel you'll see that AMD is clearly the winner.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on how the internet shouldn't turn into some kind of big virtual mall, but I can't say that I totally agree on the server thing; technically, you can have a website without hosting the server yourself (ie. your ISP hosts your webpage for you or you pay a third party to do it).
So having the possibility to run a sever is not absolutely necessary and I'll bet that most of the small content-driven websites are not hosted by individuals (esp. with the rise of blogspot & co.), although I personally wish ISPs were friendlier to the idea of people running severs.
-I fear you'll never come back!
-Hear this now: I will always come back for you...
-But how can you be so sure?
-This is true love. You think this happens everyday?
Well, he got them for free because they were "dead" and didn't appear to have much problem getting them running again (as in not a lot of parts), so I think you're mistaken.
I said elsewhere that I didn't know that he got the material for free since (the article was slashdotted not long after I loaded up the page, but I saw pictures of pretty expensive looking equipment).
I still think my point stands for most people who will sink lots of money into overclocking.
But you seem to be missing the point that you can't buy a P4 that goes faster than 3.2GHz, yet this rig was reaching speeds of 4.4GHz. Admittedly he was starting with a 3GHz CPU, but the price jump for the extra 200MHz would have been a lot more than this cooling rig cost him -- and it could be used with a faster CPU anyway.
It makes sense in some case if things can only be done with a single CPU (ie. gaming), but if he's doing TiVO stuff (as I think he's doing) or database or whatever, it'd be more efficient (if he hadn't had the material for free, I mean) to buy more hardware (RAM, dual procs, dedicated DSPs, faster hds, etc) instead of more cooling.
What money? He said he got both cryofreezers for free, because they weren't workign originally. So the only cost is his time.
Well, my point still stands for the other m4d 0v3k1ll cooling projects out there.
As for the present case, I couldn't read the article because it was slashdotted, so I didn't know he acquired the material for free.
Yeah, I know, RTFA...
Extreme overclocking often takes the fastest available processor and then overclocks it as much as possible. The goal is not the most bang for your buck, but purely the most bang.
Yes, but as I said in my original post, wouldn't the "most bang" come from buying other CPUs, instead of making the one(s) you have run X% faster, with that money?
I'll bet that cooling rig is worth a bunch of Opterons...