Why would dpkg and apt (or whatever else) give him a new, edifying perspective over rpm and up2date? Particularly since the big commercial distros (Suse and Red Hat) both use RPM as their packaging format?
Yes, you wind up with holes in your knowledge, but they are usually small.
As someone who learnt Linux at home, then took some classes, then became an instructor, I think most people who learn from home's knowledge holes are gaping.
Basic stuff like quotas. How the kernel knows where the root partition is. What the difference between the exire time in an SOA record and the TTL in the zone file is.
Most self-taught Linux users are no worse than the self-taught NT admin who has no idea what a port is.
They set out to do something practical. Whether its hard or not has no bearing on their desire to achieve a task.
Learning how to install a distro that isn't likely to be used in a business environment (due to significantly less commercial support) just because its hard won't make this guy knowledgable.
Makes a great tool, but screws it up in his desire for control. Schilly cdrecord is no longer Open Source in its most recent versions due to a license change. GIYF.
Use the cdrecord that comes in your distro. Red Hat, Suse, and most others now come with patched versions of older cdrecord that handle DVDs fine.
I was somewhat hopeful that the impending death of X-Windows would lead to the development of a windowing system designed specifically to take advantage of the more advanced features of NetBSD....for cheering me up on this otherwise glum evening.
Compaq: - . Then got brought by HP. Now +. Sony: - . Now moved to dual burners. Apple: - . Now moved to dual burners (though IIRC some things still require - disks).
John Dvorak made a living for a good portion of the late eighties and nineties predicting the demise of Apple.
And? They weren't selling units, they were losing the education and graphics market, clones ate their business.
Apple were fucked unless there was a major turnaround. It was quite reasonable to predict that they'd die.
I doubt few people would have predicted Steve Jobs returning to the helm, killing the clones, creating fashionable computers, a new OS that looked like nothing before it, and Apple entering the music biz.
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There's Solaris guys working on Xorg, and HP folk too (dunno if they're HPUX engineers tho).
Furthermore, xorg manages the X standard. The current release is X11R6.7, which occured two months ago. Anyone else is free to implement this standard. They're also more likely to do so as xorg now produces reference implementations. Its likely Sun will implement the current X standard in their X server.
Its likely damage and composite will be included in a post X11R6.7 standard.
So I'm sure both guys running Enlightenment on Solaris will indeed by happy.
I'd like to see it use the latest X stuff
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I'd reckon it'd be really nifty nifty if Enlightenment started using Damage and Compositing in the next Xorg releases to handle its transparency. This would also make E hardware accelerated for most folk.
And you didn't really finish your comment. What specific qualms do you have?
I did - I thought the problems that not using packaging implies would have been obvious.
To spell it out: installing apps outside the packaging systems breaks all other apps that rely on that apps functionality, and often the app itself. Eg, an app can't specifiy it needs a particular version of Moz installed if Moz itself installed installed properly (ie, in such a way to tell other apps about what it provides, ie, packaged). Or Firefox requiring some particular library - rather than including an extra copy of that library within itself and wasting space, proper distro packages should simply specify their dependencies.
Do you think this has a chance of being addressed if I did file a bug?
Its not done till I can install it in a way that won't screw up my system later on down the track.
Mozilla makes great software, but never finishes it - that's for the distro packagers to do. If Dag and the Debian guy (and whoever else for whatever other distro) could hook up with the Moz people, you'd have a much better experience.
Sunbird X.X is released! * Windows users can download an installer from here. * Fedora users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'up2date sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases. * Debian users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'apt-get sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases.
Which apps would those be, exactly? Just about everything significant that's available for Linux is available as source, and most of those build with autoconf and GNU tools for portability, so installation on Solaris is just a 'configure; make; make install' away.
A lot of Linux apps aren't portable to proprietary or non GNU Unix - they depend on glibc, for example. You could change that, but this takes away the need for that effort.
my only complaint so far is that it's so dark that even the flashlight doesn't even really let you see much (i'm trying not to turn my brightness up but it seems i may have to so i don't keep running into guard rails and such)...
People used to say the same thing about Quake 1. However, if you got rid of all ambient light and played, you could see everything you were supposed to and without the washed out-ness that comes from upping your gamma too far.
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My experiences simply differ from yours then. I've also meet more certified folk that you have at more organizations. That said, I'm as biased as you are (from your responses it seems like you're not reading much or what I'm writing here, which gives me the impression you've already made up your mind based on emotion rather than fact).
I also think reverse hosting lookups for non class A B and C subnets is a basic skills one would expect of a competant DNS administrator.
A good certification - as you admit, there are some out there - is a good test of the skilsl required in particular circumstances. Anything involving rote learning is not a good certification. Certs with practical exam and high failure rates warrant a further look rather than the base dismissal you've given them here. I suggest you consider your experiences may not be universal.
Your judgement tests more than a practical exam - it tests whether someone conforms to your own notions of best practice, whether they fit into your culture, somebodies ability to learn, and overall whether they'd be suitable for the specific role. That's the best test of whether someone is right for the job. Certification doesn't replace that, not do te good certs seek to. Merely they (should) provide an impartial, standard test of practical skill at a given task. If you have five hundred, rather than five applications for your role, you might find using a certification you value to be an excellent means of getting down to that final five.
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Why would dpkg and apt (or whatever else) give him a new, edifying perspective over rpm and up2date? Particularly since the big commercial distros (Suse and Red Hat) both use RPM as their packaging format?
Yes, you wind up with holes in your knowledge, but they are usually small.
As someone who learnt Linux at home, then took some classes, then became an instructor, I think most people who learn from home's knowledge holes are gaping.
Basic stuff like quotas. How the kernel knows where the root partition is. What the difference between the exire time in an SOA record and the TTL in the zone file is.
Most self-taught Linux users are no worse than the self-taught NT admin who has no idea what a port is.
They set out to do something practical. Whether its hard or not has no bearing on their desire to achieve a task.
Learning how to install a distro that isn't likely to be used in a business environment (due to significantly less commercial support) just because its hard won't make this guy knowledgable.
Without vi, no source code would ever have been written!
Why do you think that? Surely another editor would have come about.
Your BIOS should lready support this.
Since Linux kernel 2.6 doesn't fit on a floppy, there's no way you can boot Linux off a floppy either.
Kernel 2.6 distros (such as FC2 or RHEL4 for example) include boot disk images for USB and firewire drives.
He's running Websphere, Tivoli, etc.
Proprietary apps that have support contracts that specify they need to run on a supported environment.
Which in practice means Red Hat or Suse Enterprise.
Funny, I thought Apache supported these things called modules that allowed you to extend Apache.
Apache HTTPd, you mean. AFAIK SpamAssassin doesn't have modules. I don't know much about James tho.
Makes a great tool, but screws it up in his desire for control. Schilly cdrecord is no longer Open Source in its most recent versions due to a license change. GIYF.
Use the cdrecord that comes in your distro. Red Hat, Suse, and most others now come with patched versions of older cdrecord that handle DVDs fine.
I was somewhat hopeful that the impending death of X-Windows would lead to the development of a windowing system designed specifically to take advantage of the more advanced features of NetBSD. ...for cheering me up on this otherwise glum evening.
HP: +
Microsoft: +
Dell: +
Compaq: - . Then got brought by HP. Now +.
Sony: - . Now moved to dual burners.
Apple: - . Now moved to dual burners (though IIRC some things still require - disks).
John Dvorak made a living for a good portion of the late eighties and nineties predicting the demise of Apple.
And? They weren't selling units, they were losing the education and graphics market, clones ate their business.
Apple were fucked unless there was a major turnaround. It was quite reasonable to predict that they'd die.
I doubt few people would have predicted Steve Jobs returning to the helm, killing the clones, creating fashionable computers, a new OS that looked like nothing before it, and Apple entering the music biz.
There's Solaris guys working on Xorg, and HP folk too (dunno if they're HPUX engineers tho).
Furthermore, xorg manages the X standard. The current release is X11R6.7, which occured two months ago. Anyone else is free to implement this standard. They're also more likely to do so as xorg now produces reference implementations. Its likely Sun will implement the current X standard in their X server.
Its likely damage and composite will be included in a post X11R6.7 standard.
So I'm sure both guys running Enlightenment on Solaris will indeed by happy.
I'd reckon it'd be really nifty nifty if Enlightenment started using Damage and Compositing in the next Xorg releases to handle its transparency. This would also make E hardware accelerated for most folk.
And you didn't really finish your comment. What specific qualms do you have?
I did - I thought the problems that not using packaging implies would have been obvious.
To spell it out: installing apps outside the packaging systems breaks all other apps that rely on that apps functionality, and often the app itself. Eg, an app can't specifiy it needs a particular version of Moz installed if Moz itself installed installed properly (ie, in such a way to tell other apps about what it provides, ie, packaged). Or Firefox requiring some particular library - rather than including an extra copy of that library within itself and wasting space, proper distro packages should simply specify their dependencies.
Do you think this has a chance of being addressed if I did file a bug?
Its not done till I can install it in a way that won't screw up my system later on down the track.
Mozilla makes great software, but never finishes it - that's for the distro packagers to do. If Dag and the Debian guy (and whoever else for whatever other distro) could hook up with the Moz people, you'd have a much better experience.
Sunbird X.X is released!
* Windows users can download an installer from here.
* Fedora users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'up2date sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases.
* Debian users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'apt-get sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases.
Sony got a tech support call about a discman someone was trying to play an EMI disc on.
How unreasonable that they should have to support this.
Drivers. The LSB specifies the kernel too, IIRC. Linux has a metric shitload more drivers than Solaris ever will.
(PS. I'm not arguing with you. I liked your post.)
Which apps would those be, exactly? Just about everything significant that's available for Linux is available as source, and most of those build with autoconf and GNU tools for portability, so installation on Solaris is just a 'configure; make; make install' away.
A lot of Linux apps aren't portable to proprietary or non GNU Unix - they depend on glibc, for example. You could change that, but this takes away the need for that effort.
In this case, learning to type isn't the problem - adjusting your hands to the sandard typing position ('A' 'S' 'D' 'F') and back again will be.
That's why there's a bump on your F key.
by the way, how well does doom 3 run under wine?
*Does 5 minutes of research*
Fine. You'll need this patch for Winex though.
Solaris can be considered a real Linux ;^)
by the way, how well does doom 3 run under wine?
Dunno, but I hear Far Cry works fine.
And Wine does more than games. BTW - Office XP, Flash / Dreamwaver MX, iTunes, etc.
When you turn off ambient light, it becomes slightly harder to do certain tasks, such as typing (critical when chatting in multiplayer.)
Learn to type.
It also restricts you to playing the game at night-time, which is also needed for sleeping. This cuts out your weekend play.
Close the blinds.
my only complaint so far is that it's so dark that even the flashlight doesn't even really let you see much (i'm trying not to turn my brightness up but it seems i may have to so i don't keep running into guard rails and such)...
People used to say the same thing about Quake 1. However, if you got rid of all ambient light and played, you could see everything you were supposed to and without the washed out-ness that comes from upping your gamma too far.
My experiences simply differ from yours then. I've also meet more certified folk that you have at more organizations. That said, I'm as biased as you are (from your responses it seems like you're not reading much or what I'm writing here, which gives me the impression you've already made up your mind based on emotion rather than fact).
I also think reverse hosting lookups for non class A B and C subnets is a basic skills one would expect of a competant DNS administrator.
A good certification - as you admit, there are some out there - is a good test of the skilsl required in particular circumstances. Anything involving rote learning is not a good certification. Certs with practical exam and high failure rates warrant a further look rather than the base dismissal you've given them here. I suggest you consider your experiences may not be universal.
Your judgement tests more than a practical exam - it tests whether someone conforms to your own notions of best practice, whether they fit into your culture, somebodies ability to learn, and overall whether they'd be suitable for the specific role. That's the best test of whether someone is right for the job. Certification doesn't replace that, not do te good certs seek to. Merely they (should) provide an impartial, standard test of practical skill at a given task. If you have five hundred, rather than five applications for your role, you might find using a certification you value to be an excellent means of getting down to that final five.