Gosh, with all these delicious BSD releases about to happen, (nbsd 2.0, fbsd 5.3, dbsd 1.0) it makes it hard for a guy to decide which one to play with.
I need some more harddrives so i'll have a place to install them!
I believe that was declared with the PMSNBC.com article that trumpeted "BROWSER WARS OVAR!!" and thus went on to claim IE the victor....
By what standard, i don't know...
Currently, i view MS as a hibernating giant- with Longhorn getting pushed back again and again, and IE just barely adding some bolted-on features of late (but yet not really fixing any of the severe issues with it)... and so forth...
If we, Apple, or anyone is going to put a sizeable dent into the Windows Entrenchment, *NOW* is the time...
Actually, I'm surprised that so many are not aware that most applications used on Linux works just fine on any *BSD.
Exactly. I was just naive or perhaps not motivated enough to get something like that to work. I didn't even try. But in this case i'm seeing how very simple it is, and in some cases more simple (or at least more logical) than what it was on linux.
(silly me, i know)
I'm really starting to think that this will be the turning point for me though. My main workstation is Debian (sid) and my secondary machine is FreeBSD 4.9... but i think after the official release of 5.3 my main will be Fbsd and my secondary will be linux.
So far in my experience, i do not see any ensuckulation for 5.x.... Granted, i'm not an overly experienced FreeBSD user, though.
But for doing the usual things on the most usual hardware (like probably 90% of the BSD and Linux users would) it seems to be quite a pleasant and well-done computing experience, IMHO...
If there are issues with 5.x, either i'm not doing the things that cause them, or i'm oblivious to them, because i'm seriously considering wiping my Debian installation from my main workstation when 5.3 is officially released.
The only issues i've ever had with FreeBSD in the past is that i'm wined and dined with some of the more `current' or special features that are easily available in Linux- Things in the past like AA fonts for X11, games like quakeforge (kinda buggy on fbsd), mozilla-firebird, vmware, libSDL, etc... No effort to make it go, just apt-get install it and it works.
Some of these things are now available in FreeBSD, and some of the applications in Ports have caught up in version numbers, and as for the rest, i probably just need to put a little more effort into making it work;)
Linux has always been good to me, i have no complaints or regrets about my years of running Slackware and Debian, but FreeBSD just seems so much more *elegant* in a lot of ways. The installation, the administration, the documentation, the overall smoothness...
Well, that and the Linux Zealotry is getting out of hand. Every camp has their zealots, but some of the latest Linux ones (we all know who) are really making it hard for me to keep the faith. I know i shouldn't pay any attention to them, and it's just a vocal minority, but it's hard to remember these things when everywhere you look on the web (or slashdot, heaven forbid!) there is all this half-cocked stupidity in your face. The lack of zealotry and evangelism is refreshing when talking to the folks and working with apps and documentation in the BSD camps. It's good to set the politics aside and just focus on the geek factor and neatness of tinkering on a UNIX-like system.
I look forward to going home and making world up to beta7 from beta6...
I aspire to be an exhalted Gentoo Rice Boi, but due to my lack of l33tn3zz, i must remain a downtrodden and bitter fan of FreeBSD.
boo hoo.
(disclaimer: i'm mostly joking, i run Debian and FreeBSD and love them both, and i don't think i'll need my Anti-Gentoo Flamesuit here in the BSD section.)
Is this a new technology developed and perfected overseas, that is just now landing in North America? What is this thing you call "Pen"? What is this thing called "Paper"?
However, no amount of hinting got me this as a birthday present.
However, my gf *did* get me a mess of other cool stuff- a new GeForce video card, a pile of video games for PC and PS2 (she's always telling me that i need to play more games....), some Lego...
No worries though.. I'm sure to pick this up myself anyways.
I'm trying out the BETA on my k6-II... I always want to have a FreeBSD box lying around. I like FreeBSD and its philosophy, but i'm not completely ready to make the jump from linux yet- there are certain things i'm accustomed to in the linux OS that are different or less-implemented in Fbsd.
but anyways....
Granted *this* is a beta and is full of debugging code and watchdogs and such, but even on official releases i've noticed that FreeBSD tends to have a much larger memory footprint than linux.
Of course, this is most visible when running X (which isn't officially part of the OS). But say, for instance on the k6-II, i can have both Debian Unstable and FreeBSD on the hdd. In both cases i will have just the base system, and then only what is necessary to run windowmaker, gkrellm, firebird, gaim and bitchx- a moderately lean desktop installation.
On disk, linux is about ~250MB, FreeBSD is about ~700.
Boot up, startx, load windowmaker and gkrellm ONLY (aside from standard daemons and services)...
gkrellm reports the linux installation as having 90 of 128mb free, but on FreeBSD (in the same state) it shows 10 of 128mb free. Obviously performance is gravely different between the two- anything else i open or use in FreeBSD lives in swap.
Now i'm not illustrating this as a criticism of FreeBSD- I'm just curious if anyone has an explanation. I'm sure there is a valid reason for this, or it's a matter of ignorance on my part of setting up/configuring between the two.
I do hold FreeBSD in high regard, but it is discouraging to run it on my k6-II. 300mhz and 128mb of ram aren't really limited resources, in my book- one should be able to expect a reasonable and useable desktop experience. No KDE or Enlightenment or Gnome or things like that, but i'm not a fan of heavy DEs (XFCE, Wmaker, bbox are just fine for me:-))
Hell, even WindowsXP (ugh) outperforms FreeBSD (which surprised the hell out of me)
A few reports I had read many years ago indicated that the Fellowship was critically not well received. Critics also despised TTT, but by ROTK they had warmed up to the trilogy, possibly due to readers and fanbase.
It's nice to see a different side of the coin now.
It's not even really case-sensitive; "touch a ; touch A" will only create one file.
Actually, i recall fiddling around with a mac once.. I seem to remember that typing "LS" would result in the same thing as "ls", but if you typed the direct path to it (/bin/LS (i think) instead of/bin/ls) it would say it wasn't found. Also if you were in the same directory as all the executable commands, sometimes it would recognize them in uppercase, sometimes it wouldn't.
It's really strange, and followed no reason. I don't have a mac in front of me right now to double check all that, but thenagain it may have changed since then...
If everyone had equal access to the same knowledge, how could you be better than someone else?
First off, different people interpret things differently. So even if you and i could both put the same piece of raw data in our heads, our brains might attach a different amount of importance on it, or connect it to other abstract or different abstract bits of data in differring ways.
Also, there are things like motivation, interest and memory. If the piece of data we both stuck in our heads was say, chemical makeup of the P/N junction of a 2N3904 NPN Transistor, this will cause us to react in differing ways. One of us might be interested to pursue more data related to this. But the other one of us might not give a tittie's twist about it, pitch the thought process, and then switch to something else more interesting.
Simply having gobs of cheap and available public data about all sorts of things is something we already have. What makes us individuals, or "better than anyone else" at something is related to our personalities.
Bring on the Apple Fan-Boy partylines about their Innovative(tm) G5 with the BEST GUI on top of their FULLY OPENSOURCED UNIX UNDERPINNINGS(tm).....
It's not Offtopic! you *know* that there's going go be a bunch of Apple strokes talking about how superior the Big Mac is/was to this, based on any real or imagined aspect.
i like the old UI to groups- it is very intuitive and easy to use.
While the new system seems to add new features, they kinda get in the way of what i use groups for. I hope that they keep the old-style UI around somewhere after this one goes into main usage.
I can say this because i grew up in the PacNW, dammit!!
There are FAR better places to get coffees than Starbucks, without the pretentious attitude and self-illuministic trumpeting (Go Dutch Bros.!!), but unfortunately it is Starbucks that seems to spread all over, along with the attitude. What is in the syrup that makes people suddenly an Espresso Afficianado after their 3rd visit to Starbucks?
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Gosh, with all these delicious BSD releases about to happen, (nbsd 2.0, fbsd 5.3, dbsd 1.0) it makes it hard for a guy to decide which one to play with.
I need some more harddrives so i'll have a place to install them!
Especially its crippled javascript implementation is enough to drive a geek to burn villages and blow up trains
:-D
Naw, we've got tons of video games for that.
When were they gone?
I believe that was declared with the PMSNBC.com article that trumpeted "BROWSER WARS OVAR!!" and thus went on to claim IE the victor....
By what standard, i don't know...
Currently, i view MS as a hibernating giant- with Longhorn getting pushed back again and again, and IE just barely adding some bolted-on features of late (but yet not really fixing any of the severe issues with it)... and so forth...
If we, Apple, or anyone is going to put a sizeable dent into the Windows Entrenchment, *NOW* is the time...
Actually, I'm surprised that so many are not aware that most applications used on Linux works just fine on any *BSD.
Exactly. I was just naive or perhaps not motivated enough to get something like that to work. I didn't even try. But in this case i'm seeing how very simple it is, and in some cases more simple (or at least more logical) than what it was on linux.
(silly me, i know)
I'm really starting to think that this will be the turning point for me though. My main workstation is Debian (sid) and my secondary machine is FreeBSD 4.9... but i think after the official release of 5.3 my main will be Fbsd and my secondary will be linux.
Instead, we get arrogant assholes like you?
Those are slated for inclusion into the Ports distribution in 5.4.
PS: why does it take so long for the FreeBSD people so long to update their schedule [freebsd.org]?
:oP
Maybe because they are so busy working on the release itself?
So far in my experience, i do not see any ensuckulation for 5.x.... Granted, i'm not an overly experienced FreeBSD user, though.
;)
But for doing the usual things on the most usual hardware (like probably 90% of the BSD and Linux users would) it seems to be quite a pleasant and well-done computing experience, IMHO...
If there are issues with 5.x, either i'm not doing the things that cause them, or i'm oblivious to them, because i'm seriously considering wiping my Debian installation from my main workstation when 5.3 is officially released.
The only issues i've ever had with FreeBSD in the past is that i'm wined and dined with some of the more `current' or special features that are easily available in Linux- Things in the past like AA fonts for X11, games like quakeforge (kinda buggy on fbsd), mozilla-firebird, vmware, libSDL, etc... No effort to make it go, just apt-get install it and it works.
Some of these things are now available in FreeBSD, and some of the applications in Ports have caught up in version numbers, and as for the rest, i probably just need to put a little more effort into making it work
Linux has always been good to me, i have no complaints or regrets about my years of running Slackware and Debian, but FreeBSD just seems so much more *elegant* in a lot of ways. The installation, the administration, the documentation, the overall smoothness...
Well, that and the Linux Zealotry is getting out of hand. Every camp has their zealots, but some of the latest Linux ones (we all know who) are really making it hard for me to keep the faith. I know i shouldn't pay any attention to them, and it's just a vocal minority, but it's hard to remember these things when everywhere you look on the web (or slashdot, heaven forbid!) there is all this half-cocked stupidity in your face. The lack of zealotry and evangelism is refreshing when talking to the folks and working with apps and documentation in the BSD camps. It's good to set the politics aside and just focus on the geek factor and neatness of tinkering on a UNIX-like system.
My $0.02 + Sales Tax.
I look forward to going home and making world up to beta7 from beta6...
I aspire to be an exhalted Gentoo Rice Boi, but due to my lack of l33tn3zz, i must remain a downtrodden and bitter fan of FreeBSD.
boo hoo.
(disclaimer: i'm mostly joking, i run Debian and FreeBSD and love them both, and i don't think i'll need my Anti-Gentoo Flamesuit here in the BSD section.)
So if i keep doing a make world up to each new Beta as it comes out, does that mean i'm in danger of becoming a Gentoo RiceBoi?? :-D
(p.s.: me 3 FreeBSD and Debian)
What are these technologies?
/me boggles mind
hrmm... nothing there...
Is this a new technology developed and perfected overseas, that is just now landing in North America? What is this thing you call "Pen"? What is this thing called "Paper"?
However, no amount of hinting got me this as a birthday present.
However, my gf *did* get me a mess of other cool stuff- a new GeForce video card, a pile of video games for PC and PS2 (she's always telling me that i need to play more games....), some Lego...
No worries though.. I'm sure to pick this up myself anyways.
Hi! :o)
:-))
I'm trying out the BETA on my k6-II... I always want to have a FreeBSD box lying around. I like FreeBSD and its philosophy, but i'm not completely ready to make the jump from linux yet- there are certain things i'm accustomed to in the linux OS that are different or less-implemented in Fbsd.
but anyways....
Granted *this* is a beta and is full of debugging code and watchdogs and such, but even on official releases i've noticed that FreeBSD tends to have a much larger memory footprint than linux.
Of course, this is most visible when running X (which isn't officially part of the OS). But say, for instance on the k6-II, i can have both Debian Unstable and FreeBSD on the hdd. In both cases i will have just the base system, and then only what is necessary to run windowmaker, gkrellm, firebird, gaim and bitchx- a moderately lean desktop installation.
On disk, linux is about ~250MB, FreeBSD is about ~700.
Boot up, startx, load windowmaker and gkrellm ONLY (aside from standard daemons and services)...
gkrellm reports the linux installation as having 90 of 128mb free, but on FreeBSD (in the same state) it shows 10 of 128mb free. Obviously performance is gravely different between the two- anything else i open or use in FreeBSD lives in swap.
Now i'm not illustrating this as a criticism of FreeBSD- I'm just curious if anyone has an explanation. I'm sure there is a valid reason for this, or it's a matter of ignorance on my part of setting up/configuring between the two.
I do hold FreeBSD in high regard, but it is discouraging to run it on my k6-II. 300mhz and 128mb of ram aren't really limited resources, in my book- one should be able to expect a reasonable and useable desktop experience. No KDE or Enlightenment or Gnome or things like that, but i'm not a fan of heavy DEs (XFCE, Wmaker, bbox are just fine for me
Hell, even WindowsXP (ugh) outperforms FreeBSD (which surprised the hell out of me)
A few reports I had read many years ago indicated that the Fellowship was critically not well received. Critics also despised TTT, but by ROTK they had warmed up to the trilogy, possibly due to readers and fanbase.
It's nice to see a different side of the coin now.
It's not even really case-sensitive; "touch a ; touch A" will only create one file.
/bin/ls) it would say it wasn't found. Also if you were in the same directory as all the executable commands, sometimes it would recognize them in uppercase, sometimes it wouldn't.
Actually, i recall fiddling around with a mac once.. I seem to remember that typing "LS" would result in the same thing as "ls", but if you typed the direct path to it (/bin/LS (i think) instead of
It's really strange, and followed no reason. I don't have a mac in front of me right now to double check all that, but thenagain it may have changed since then...
..anyone got a good RTFA or source that explains how journalled filesystems work without.. um... doubling the data and filesystem?
thanks.
The basic premise is that Linux must find a next-generation filesystem to keep pace with Microsoft and Apple
Is Apple's new (or current) Filesystem really Apple's?
I thought it was a neutered Berkely FFS from the Darwin/Freebsd/Netbsd code they've taken.
I think it's a mal-formed Amiga-stroking Tirade.
We get those every now and again, but they are getting squeezed out by the Apple and Gentoo Tirades.
keke!
Disclaimer: Aug 17th is my birthday
If everyone had equal access to the same knowledge, how could you be better than someone else?
First off, different people interpret things differently. So even if you and i could both put the same piece of raw data in our heads, our brains might attach a different amount of importance on it, or connect it to other abstract or different abstract bits of data in differring ways.
Also, there are things like motivation, interest and memory. If the piece of data we both stuck in our heads was say, chemical makeup of the P/N junction of a 2N3904 NPN Transistor, this will cause us to react in differing ways. One of us might be interested to pursue more data related to this. But the other one of us might not give a tittie's twist about it, pitch the thought process, and then switch to something else more interesting.
Simply having gobs of cheap and available public data about all sorts of things is something we already have. What makes us individuals, or "better than anyone else" at something is related to our personalities.
This one goes to 11
I actually used to have a guitar amp that went to 11.
For real.
It was a POS Quantum Terminator 25R, and "11" didn't mean anything other than "The low end of the Potentiometer", but you know...
Also, Marshall made some amplifiers (Dual Super Lead, iirc) that went to 25...
They are a decendent of the Non-Master non-plexi that the d00d in Spinal Tap was saying "it goes to 11!"
Bring on the Apple Fan-Boy partylines about their Innovative(tm) G5 with the BEST GUI on top of their FULLY OPENSOURCED UNIX UNDERPINNINGS(tm).....
:D
It's not Offtopic! you *know* that there's going go be a bunch of Apple strokes talking about how superior the Big Mac is/was to this, based on any real or imagined aspect.
(yeah, i quoting myself, get over it)
Bring on the Apple Fan-Boy partylines about their Innovative(tm) G5 with the BEST GUI on top of their FULLY OPENSOURCED UNIX UNDERPINNINGS(tm).....
and stuff..
blah.. it's sunday, ferchrissakes!
i like the old UI to groups- it is very intuitive and easy to use.
While the new system seems to add new features, they kinda get in the way of what i use groups for. I hope that they keep the old-style UI around somewhere after this one goes into main usage.
just MHO.
Hell no.
Tapes still have the most bang-for-the-buck value.
Did anyone read what his hit counter said when the article was first posted?
/. effect in RealTime!
I saw it at 64105 at 11:21 CST.
I hit reload and it's up over 65K now.
Watching the
....the freaking McDonald's of the Coffee world.
I can say this because i grew up in the PacNW, dammit!!
There are FAR better places to get coffees than Starbucks, without the pretentious attitude and self-illuministic trumpeting (Go Dutch Bros.!!), but unfortunately it is Starbucks that seems to spread all over, along with the attitude. What is in the syrup that makes people suddenly an Espresso Afficianado after their 3rd visit to Starbucks?