I'm not sure I could have expressed it better myself.
This is why Eve is a PvP game. Not because shooting at other players is all there is to do, but you're almost always competing on some level with other players, whether it be undercutting them on the market, mining ore before they can, or taking over their territory. The other players, whether allies or opponents, are the worthwhile content, not the NPCs and missions.
If you get your jollies exploiting the AI of mindless database entries, I'd say you probably wouldn't like Eve, but there are plenty of players who do just that, so, I dunno.
Eve players seem elitist because we know we're playing a better game, it's just that not everyone appreciates a good game.
Eve is a virtual world. WoW and games like it are virtual theme parks. If you like designed, guided experiences, you'll like WoW better. If you like a virtual world, where you can do whatever you want, and most of the worthwhile content is created by players, then you'll like Eve.
And BTW, talking about "the single player experience" in a game with tens or hundreds of thousands of players in one world/server is completely missing the point. If the only thing you like do do in games is repeatedly kill unthinking database entries and taking their stuff, then I can see why Eve would be lacking. Doing this is missing the point of Eve, however.
You criticize Eve PvP and defend a game that has no real PvP? Everyone I've talked to has invariably said that WoW PvP is a joke. WoW may have some PvP, but Eve is PvP.
Eve combat is far deeper than WoW combat and I've talked to and heard from many people who used to and still do play WoW who confirm this. In WoW, you target an enemy, click random skills and pick up loot.
Expansions in Eve add new systems, new types of gameplay, not just a few new dungeons, bosses, items, whatever that don't actually change the game. It allows players to create new content The economy is player-driven, politics are player-driven, the history is player-driven.
If you are happy with WoW, that's fine, but defending it as superior, when it's many orders of magnitude shallower is silly. Just say you like shallow, grindy games. Tons of people do, and that's ok. Maybe you just like repeatedly killing things whose "intelligence" you can exploit to feel better about yourself. Who knows.
What do you mean "No"? That's pretty much what I said. It's a Diablo 2 clone and doesn't attempt to hide the fact, but it improves on the core mechanics, thus making it a great game. My saying it's a clone doesn't mean it's a bad game, because it improves upon what Diablo 2 did enough to make it worthwhile. The dual-class system, for instance is a great addition.
I agree about the lack of secure servers, but they've gone out of business also, so I guess it wouldn't matter anyway, since they'd probably be down now. I mainly play with people I know who I know don't cheat.
My other problem with the game is the lack of randomization of the maps. This was a major part of Diablo (which it inherited from the roguelikes that inspired it). I find it much more interesting when the world is different every time. The world was very nice-looking, though, and this doesn't detract from the game too much.
I think they were trying not to copy their formula too closely, since they weren't making a Diablo game (since they didn't own the IP, even though they created it).
The gameplay works fine, IMO. It's a first/third person game with Diablo-like RPG mechanics. I see no reason why an isometric view is necessarily better--it's just what you're used to.
The problems with the game, IMO, are that the subscription model didn't really offer much worthwhile and that the theme was somewhat bland. The mechanics seem forced into a setting in which they didn't really fit.
It is the OS on my only gaming machine and it works just fine. I can play every game except Crysis maxed out (and no one can run Crysis maxed out yet, which is by design).
Yes, I think you're right about games not really being designed for DX10 from the ground up, and thus not running as well as DX9. Over time, more and more games will use DX10 and eventually, they will probably require it. But until then, Vista still plays games in DX9 just fine and the recent benchmarks I've read have shown that Vista performance is basically the same as XP performance now (because better drivers, OS updates, etc).
I'm far from a Microsoft fanboy, but as far as Windows OSes go, Vista does not deserve the bad rep it gets.
Performance of Vista vs XP is not the point. Performance in Hellgate was worse in DX10 than in DX9. In order to compare the two, you have to be running Vista in the first place. Comparing DX10 on one OS and DX9 on another is not a valid comparison.
I liked it also and I'm kind of sad to see Flagship go. I'm not buying Diablo 3, as it looks to be way too much like WoW, which I loathe. None of the people who actually created Diablo (a separate company bought by Blizzard) work for Blizzard anymore. Diablo 1 and 2 were the only Blizzard games I liked at all. The *craft series is a joke, IMO.
There pretty much is a Diablo 2 in 3D. It's called Titan Quest. It's a blatant Diablo clone, but it improves the core gameplay in just enough ways to make it interesting.
Ok, here's a better analogy: Windows vs. Linux. Windows has the vast majority of the desktop market, despite being more expensive than an alternative and lower in quality. People use it because it's what other people they know use, it's what's in stores, and they don't really know any better, which sounds very similar to why many people play WoW.
As far as expansions, Eve Online has never charged for an expansion and it's been around longer that WoW. There have already been two major ones out this year.
I don't respect WoW at all. It is the McDonald's of MMOs, or the AOL, if you prefer that analogy. It is a watered-down, dumbed down product designed to appeal to as many people as possible, while not offering any new game-play or innovations. It is just a mixture of things that worked in previous MMOs with a layer of polish. It is not innovative, and in fact, has set back innovation in MMOs, since most new MMOs seem to copy what WoW has done in a misguided effort to get some if WoW's success instead of trying new things. This always fails, as it's hard to out-WoW a company with the resources of Blizzard.
I firmly believe that MMOs as a genre would be better off had WoW never existed.
My main point, however, is that number of customers does not necessarily indicate quality. The number of users of Windows vs those of superior, free OSes illustrates this.
Well, that's a ripoff. $40 for a copy of an eight year old game? We're not talking about a rare out-of-producation copy off of E-bay. I got D2 and its expansion for $19.99 at Wal-mart a while back because I lent my original copy out and never got it back.
I wonder if they raised the price due to the hype now that 3 has been announced? I noticed that D2 is in the top 10 of requested guides on GameFAQs now.
In any case, I won't be getting Diablo 3 or any other Blizzard products ever again. The only franchise of theirs I liked was Diablo, but they didn't even create Diablo--they bought the company that was making it about six months before Diablo 1 was released. Now that the people that created and developed Diablo have left, I have no interest in Diablo 3, and its "WoW-y" look in the videos certainly doesn't help.
I have no problem whatsoever with Goons suicide-ganking miners. It's allowed in the game mechanics and Eve is not meant to be safe, even in high-sec.
I traditionally have liked Goons over BoB. I'd actually considered joining at one point.
I don't, however approve at all of acting like real-life jihadists that kill real people every day. If instead of JihadSwarm you were NaziSwarm or FinalSolutionSwarm, there would be a hell of a lot of outrage, and I think that modern-day jihadists are just as bad as the Nazis were, to be completely honest.
Yeah, Godwin's law, blah blah, I think it's a valid comparison, so whatever.
This is not borne of political correctness, as I'm pretty politically incorrect, this is borne of not liking seeing those psychos glorified in any way.
If you want to suicide-gank miners, fine. If you want to do so for some sort of in-game reason or role-play being in some in-game terrorist group like Minmatar rebels or whatever, fine. But glorifying a real-life ideology that kills real people every day is offensive to me.
I dunno, declaring a "jihad" and going around suicide ganking miners in the name of "Allah" like real-life suicide bombers seems rather immature to me.
That is true, and I wasn't implying that all Eve players are mature (look at GoonSwarm), just that they're not the typical 13-year old MMO player that the parent poster was mentioning.
That's completely true and I 100% agree, but you have to consider how utterly computer illiterate so many people are to understand why Microsoft products are so dominant. Many people are stupid when it comes to computers.
You're confusing compression with downsampling. CDs are not compressed. They are most likely lower quality than the studio master recording, but that does not mean they are compressed.
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My first thought was about this and the fact that both their last names are "Weber". Coincidence? I think not.
So that's why even though Eve has been getting more and more complex, its player base has been steadily growing? Uhm, ok.
I'm not sure I could have expressed it better myself.
This is why Eve is a PvP game. Not because shooting at other players is all there is to do, but you're almost always competing on some level with other players, whether it be undercutting them on the market, mining ore before they can, or taking over their territory. The other players, whether allies or opponents, are the worthwhile content, not the NPCs and missions.
If you get your jollies exploiting the AI of mindless database entries, I'd say you probably wouldn't like Eve, but there are plenty of players who do just that, so, I dunno.
Eve players seem elitist because we know we're playing a better game, it's just that not everyone appreciates a good game.
Eve is a virtual world. WoW and games like it are virtual theme parks. If you like designed, guided experiences, you'll like WoW better. If you like a virtual world, where you can do whatever you want, and most of the worthwhile content is created by players, then you'll like Eve.
And BTW, talking about "the single player experience" in a game with tens or hundreds of thousands of players in one world/server is completely missing the point. If the only thing you like do do in games is repeatedly kill unthinking database entries and taking their stuff, then I can see why Eve would be lacking. Doing this is missing the point of Eve, however.
You criticize Eve PvP and defend a game that has no real PvP? Everyone I've talked to has invariably said that WoW PvP is a joke. WoW may have some PvP, but Eve is PvP.
Eve combat is far deeper than WoW combat and I've talked to and heard from many people who used to and still do play WoW who confirm this. In WoW, you target an enemy, click random skills and pick up loot.
Expansions in Eve add new systems, new types of gameplay, not just a few new dungeons, bosses, items, whatever that don't actually change the game. It allows players to create new content The economy is player-driven, politics are player-driven, the history is player-driven.
If you are happy with WoW, that's fine, but defending it as superior, when it's many orders of magnitude shallower is silly. Just say you like shallow, grindy games. Tons of people do, and that's ok. Maybe you just like repeatedly killing things whose "intelligence" you can exploit to feel better about yourself. Who knows.
What do you mean "No"? That's pretty much what I said. It's a Diablo 2 clone and doesn't attempt to hide the fact, but it improves on the core mechanics, thus making it a great game. My saying it's a clone doesn't mean it's a bad game, because it improves upon what Diablo 2 did enough to make it worthwhile. The dual-class system, for instance is a great addition.
I agree about the lack of secure servers, but they've gone out of business also, so I guess it wouldn't matter anyway, since they'd probably be down now. I mainly play with people I know who I know don't cheat.
My other problem with the game is the lack of randomization of the maps. This was a major part of Diablo (which it inherited from the roguelikes that inspired it). I find it much more interesting when the world is different every time. The world was very nice-looking, though, and this doesn't detract from the game too much.
I think they were trying not to copy their formula too closely, since they weren't making a Diablo game (since they didn't own the IP, even though they created it).
The gameplay works fine, IMO. It's a first/third person game with Diablo-like RPG mechanics. I see no reason why an isometric view is necessarily better--it's just what you're used to.
The problems with the game, IMO, are that the subscription model didn't really offer much worthwhile and that the theme was somewhat bland. The mechanics seem forced into a setting in which they didn't really fit.
It is the OS on my only gaming machine and it works just fine. I can play every game except Crysis maxed out (and no one can run Crysis maxed out yet, which is by design).
Yes, I think you're right about games not really being designed for DX10 from the ground up, and thus not running as well as DX9. Over time, more and more games will use DX10 and eventually, they will probably require it. But until then, Vista still plays games in DX9 just fine and the recent benchmarks I've read have shown that Vista performance is basically the same as XP performance now (because better drivers, OS updates, etc).
I'm far from a Microsoft fanboy, but as far as Windows OSes go, Vista does not deserve the bad rep it gets.
Performance of Vista vs XP is not the point. Performance in Hellgate was worse in DX10 than in DX9. In order to compare the two, you have to be running Vista in the first place. Comparing DX10 on one OS and DX9 on another is not a valid comparison.
You're saying the people who created Diablo don't have enough talent to make a 3D Diablo?
You realize most of the people that made Diablo made Hellgate?
I liked it also and I'm kind of sad to see Flagship go. I'm not buying Diablo 3, as it looks to be way too much like WoW, which I loathe. None of the people who actually created Diablo (a separate company bought by Blizzard) work for Blizzard anymore. Diablo 1 and 2 were the only Blizzard games I liked at all. The *craft series is a joke, IMO.
There pretty much is a Diablo 2 in 3D. It's called Titan Quest. It's a blatant Diablo clone, but it improves the core gameplay in just enough ways to make it interesting.
Ok, here's a better analogy: Windows vs. Linux. Windows has the vast majority of the desktop market, despite being more expensive than an alternative and lower in quality. People use it because it's what other people they know use, it's what's in stores, and they don't really know any better, which sounds very similar to why many people play WoW.
As far as expansions, Eve Online has never charged for an expansion and it's been around longer that WoW. There have already been two major ones out this year.
I don't respect WoW at all. It is the McDonald's of MMOs, or the AOL, if you prefer that analogy. It is a watered-down, dumbed down product designed to appeal to as many people as possible, while not offering any new game-play or innovations. It is just a mixture of things that worked in previous MMOs with a layer of polish. It is not innovative, and in fact, has set back innovation in MMOs, since most new MMOs seem to copy what WoW has done in a misguided effort to get some if WoW's success instead of trying new things. This always fails, as it's hard to out-WoW a company with the resources of Blizzard.
I firmly believe that MMOs as a genre would be better off had WoW never existed.
My main point, however, is that number of customers does not necessarily indicate quality. The number of users of Windows vs those of superior, free OSes illustrates this.
Well, that's a ripoff. $40 for a copy of an eight year old game? We're not talking about a rare out-of-producation copy off of E-bay. I got D2 and its expansion for $19.99 at Wal-mart a while back because I lent my original copy out and never got it back.
I wonder if they raised the price due to the hype now that 3 has been announced? I noticed that D2 is in the top 10 of requested guides on GameFAQs now.
In any case, I won't be getting Diablo 3 or any other Blizzard products ever again. The only franchise of theirs I liked was Diablo, but they didn't even create Diablo--they bought the company that was making it about six months before Diablo 1 was released. Now that the people that created and developed Diablo have left, I have no interest in Diablo 3, and its "WoW-y" look in the videos certainly doesn't help.
I don't know where you shop, but I got Diablo2 and the expansion for $19.99. No one in their right mind is going to change $40 for a game that old.
McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers worldwide. That means they make the best hamburgers in the world, right?
I have no problem whatsoever with Goons suicide-ganking miners. It's allowed in the game mechanics and Eve is not meant to be safe, even in high-sec.
I traditionally have liked Goons over BoB. I'd actually considered joining at one point.
I don't, however approve at all of acting like real-life jihadists that kill real people every day. If instead of JihadSwarm you were NaziSwarm or FinalSolutionSwarm, there would be a hell of a lot of outrage, and I think that modern-day jihadists are just as bad as the Nazis were, to be completely honest.
Yeah, Godwin's law, blah blah, I think it's a valid comparison, so whatever.
This is not borne of political correctness, as I'm pretty politically incorrect, this is borne of not liking seeing those psychos glorified in any way.
If you want to suicide-gank miners, fine. If you want to do so for some sort of in-game reason or role-play being in some in-game terrorist group like Minmatar rebels or whatever, fine. But glorifying a real-life ideology that kills real people every day is offensive to me.
I dunno, declaring a "jihad" and going around suicide ganking miners in the name of "Allah" like real-life suicide bombers seems rather immature to me.
That is true, and I wasn't implying that all Eve players are mature (look at GoonSwarm), just that they're not the typical 13-year old MMO player that the parent poster was mentioning.
Except that the majority of Eve players are over the age of 20, many in their 30s.
I rarely meet anyone in Eve that's younger than 18 (that I know of).
That's completely true and I 100% agree, but you have to consider how utterly computer illiterate so many people are to understand why Microsoft products are so dominant. Many people are stupid when it comes to computers.
Oh, and you can turn Clippy off.
Vista doesn't even have the dumb thing.
When it said "soccer and pom" (WTF is "pom"), I read it as "porn" at first.
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Because they're not compression. Period. You can misuse the word all you want, but downsampling is not compression.
They both lead to lower quality and smaller size, but that doesn't make them both compression.
Do you think converting a digital picture to a lower resolution is "compression" too?
You're confusing compression with downsampling. CDs are not compressed. They are most likely lower quality than the studio master recording, but that does not mean they are compressed.
I have 4 gigs, so I think I'm ok. Thanks for your concern, though.