My company creates web pages (read: web systems). We only save time not using Drupal as our framework, when we are creating some kind of static advertising page. Other than that, no time saved. This is especially true for sites which are going to "stay around for a while".
So I agree with you. Simple web pages, no Drupal. To sum up what kind of web pages I would consider Drupal an overkill:
A singel page with some text and/or images.
If the page was to look like this, I would immediately reach out to Drupal:
Anything else than the former.
"Drupal is a bear to work with, fickle, frustrating, and overly complex"... People say the same thing about politics, the economy, and most other things they don't have a clue about how works. Maybe you should take the time to actually learn how Drupal works. Yes, it's hard to work with, if you do not understand the concept of hooks. Almost impossible actually.
On the paper, yes. But what about the billions/trillions(?) of dollars paid out to the holder of mortgage backed securities (CDSs), where the holder received 100 cents to the dollar of the face value, even though the underlying value was probably be closer to a few cents?
"the Steam Effect" gives us cheaper games? Never heard of that before. My opinion about Steam, is that on the release day I can get the game cheaper at a local store, than buying it from Steam. 3 months after a game is released, I can always find the same game at my local game store for 1/3 to 1/10 of the price at Steam. Electronic distribution is the worst thing that happened to gamers if you consider price an important factor. Suddenly vendors don't have any huge physical stock piles left in store, which they really want to get rid of. Only competition is between similar products, not similar retailers, so no incentive there either for electronic distributors to lower prices. How do you get to the point that "the Steam Effect" gives us cheaper products?
For the last 12 years I've been working with creating web "pages" and ecommerce "pages". I write "pages" because some of these "pages" are some of the largest sites in my country, for some very well know companies. I've tested a lot of commercial and open source solutions, we even had to write an in house solution at first, because no good alternatives existed at that time. For the last 4-5 years I and my company have been using Drupal and porting over all our customers old solutions to Drupal-based systems. Drupal is hands down the best framework we have ever had the fortune to work with. If you have to "mess with the core" in D6 or soon to be D7, you are really doing something wrong. Most probably with Drupal 5 too. Sorry! And yes, you do have to write a module if you want to change a form or create a form. That's the beauty of it! Because, if it's a common change, someone else would probably already have written such a module and you don't have to do it, just download it. Besides, if you need to change one of the ordinary forms you most likely have other custom needs for that webpage and would most likely (I hope?) have a custom module to implement all these changes, so you just put your hook_form_alter function in that module.
So which framework / system do YOU develop in? Would be nice to hear some advice from someone with such a wealth of knowledge as you must be packing... =/
Would you say the same about cars, books, reading lights, washing machines, and what-not?
When you need a larger car, you send in $10000 to the car company and receive some new keys which unlocks the passenger doors? You save $20000 over buying a brand new car. Now THAT is almost a steal! =O When you are almost done reading the book, you fork off some extra money to be able to finish the book completely. Saves you money from buying another book... When the book you upgraded comes with smaller font, you shell out some cash to increase the power of your reading light? Saves you money from buying a brand new light. Or when times come to get a bigger TV, you just pay $500 and get to unlock the last 10 inches on your television. This is SO CLEVER!
Maybe you should unlock the rest of your brain... Maybe you wouldn't try to make this sound like something smart, clever, and beneficial for the human society.
That is so true. Interesting thing with signed certificates, was that BBS (Norwegian: Bankenes Betalings Sentral) which is more or less the central point of all money transfers by credit/debit cards in Norway, is the one signing SSL certs for a lot of banks web pages in Norway. I would trust BBS far more than some signed cert from some unknown web certification authority, but... BBS signed certs would still show up in most browsers with "WARNING WARNING!!!"
What added security for any one person, does Tawte/Verizon provide?
For companies in Norway, I think a huge step would be to have Brønnøysund Register Centre issue certificates to every company or for EU, European Business Register.
30.000 USD ? That seems rather low. For Norway I've seen figures ranging from 160 USD to 300 USD a day per prisoner or 58,400 to 109,500 USD per year... =/
I really really hope you are just messing about right now... Have you tried creating good maps for the Source engine? It's almost impossible compared to a lot of the other enginges out there. Have you seen veichle physics or the physics in general in that engine? It's simply not there.
IMO the source engine is the perfect example of something which was great (many years ago), being taken too far and extended too much with the result that it comes out just looking and acting wrong... Please let it die.
Re:Hooray fileinfo is standard!
on
PHP 5.3 Released
·
· Score: 1
Pfffft!
Everything changed with the release of Drupal (written in PHP). We are creating several large projects each year based on Drupal/PHP and our solutions easily bests any proprietary solutions I've encountered so far.
"Microsoft group president Jeff Raikes told an audience in San Francisco last week that the company hopes people, if they're going to pirate software, choose to pirate Microsoft software. What's Raikes thinking?"
I can't agree more. "Bigger/Better/Faster"... Yay!
What about native DirectX support for other platforms, so I can start playing games again. I don't have any Windows-based computers at all (both at office and home).
What about an open game platform where you can play games, with mods, in an Xbox Live'ish environment. I like some parts of Xbox Live, but the lack of dedicated community based servers/mods make it inferior to PC.
What about internet/browser based gaming. ID Software is coming with Quake Live now. I want more of this. I don't have 2-3 hours to do "dedicated gaming". I just want to play against people for 15-30 minutes (say, during lunch).
Blu-Ray... Yes! We all know that games became SO MUCH BETTER when CDs where introduced. And lets not forget DVDs. Oh yeah! Games released on DVDs are The Best!
You mention Lord of the Rings... Why would anyone not try to make something like that? The trilogy was a huge financial success! Oh, and not to forget, it was probably the most pirated movie trilogy too.
So what conclusion to make from this?
The problem is not with good movies, books, games... The problem is with companies making really bad baaaad baaaaaaad products, then see poor sales and blame it on piracy. Things which come to mind: - Moby. First album did great. Second was crap and didn't sell well. What was the result? Moby blaming piracy. - Game companies Epic, Crytek, Capcom - Microsoft with Vista - Star Wars (the latest films)
My conclusion: Piracy hurts bad products (word of mouth) Piracy -HELPS- good products (same as above)
But that was a rather slow and cheap disk. The cheapest disks we use here are 146GB 15000RPM disks in raid or mirror. You don't "spend" 32GB of a raid for swap for a server with 16GB of memory. We set the swap to 2GB. I just checked top on one of the computers and it listed "81956k used" of the swap.
What are you talking about? Drupals current stable releases are 6.3 and 5.8.
I, and probably many others, would appreciate you mention at least some of all those missing features in Drupal 5.8.
I have been involved in several e-commerce sites developed with Drupal 5.8 and UberCart ( http://www.ubercart.org/ ) and we really don't find much functionality missing. Actually, the Drupal API ( http://api.drupal.org/ ) and available modules is far beyond anything else I've worked with. Drupal + UberCart is really really good. There is nothing else to say about that. Developing multi-language e-commerce sites, which conforms to XHTML and CSS standards, with user friendly AJAX enhanced functionality, supporting large number of products (2+ millions) for a large number of visitors, with different payment options is pure joy with Drupal and UberCart.
UberCart is an alternative e-commerce solution for Drupal which is beginning to really stand out from the crowd.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it wouldn't hurt to back up your opinion with some facts/observations.
So what happens if you first click on the WoW executable and -then- click on the Glider executable? Your whole argument falls to pieces and Glider is suddenly working on a licensed copy of WoW:)
This is just stupid. If you want a program to play your licensed copy of WoW, then fine! You still bought the game and paying the monthly fee like everyone else. Seems to me that how you enjoy your game, should be up to you, and not up to whomever created it.
Because we all know that Diablo and Diablo 2 were just graphics and lots of zombies =/
The item generation (Slot machine principle), character templates and development, and fast paced gameplay was Diablo 1 & 2. Blizzard manage to include everything which makes a game fun in Diablo 1 & 2, not only for you, but for those playing with a group of friends too.
With patches changing the game dynamics of Diablo 2, the game provided us with several years of experimenting with different character templates.
Seems to me that you either haven't played Diablo games or "just don't get it":)
But who cares?! Diablo 3 is coming!!! Hell YEAH!
PS. This coming from someone who just last month, played Diablo 2 on his MacBook at the airport. Not a single game has kept me coming back for more like the way Diablo 2 has =)
I don't see this as a good thing at all. We need to have every generation to die. People are formed in their childhood and will continue to believe in and act accordingly. I see a difference in my parents generation compared to my grandparents and my own generation. How my children will be I don't know, but time will tell. Also, what about people in charge, be it in politics or extremely rich and powerful people? Right now we can always be sure about even the worst leader alive will eventually die. With increased life spans or worse, immortality, we can be sure that the first to be able to use this will be the same people living to control us forever. How can this be a good thing? A lot of change has happened when people in charge die. Now we would actually need to murder those, because dying of old age won't happen.
People who would be the first to get hold of something like this and possible be able to control it: - sheikhs/kings/princes in the middle east - people in power, especially those in 3rd world countries - rich criminals - politicians - military leaders - The Pope and other religious freaks like those high up in Scientology
"... start looking for a new challenge and a less happy candy colored world"
What about the real world?
(said with a bit of sarcasm and a tad seriousness)
If the only reason to leave WoW is to play another MMO game, then, maybe... Have you have played WoW for several years and still want more "challenges" why not "Get a life"? *sigh* Seriously!
Well, Drupal -IS- a framework, and to this date by far the best framework I have worked with. I'm guessing here that you have never looked at Drupal and the way it is built? Your last sentence give you away. "Hacking" Drupal is something which is very very very rarely needed. After 50 Drupal sites we still have not had the need to to "hack Drupal" - sites which some you really could not tell were running Drupal, others are large e-commerce sites and some just plain CMSs.
The GP here sounds clueless. If you want to meet deadlines, use something like Drupal. I've coded frameworks and CMS/E-commerce systems from scratch. I've used Mambo, WordPress and some frameworks. Been into OsCommerce, which was my worst experience with any system - hands down. The company I'm a part of run ~20 onlines stores (from some very large to rather small) and about 70 other CMS/company sites (some large). And right now we are porting everything to Drupal / UberCart - www.ubercart.org (best commerce extension for Drupal). Just hearing someone mention "coding my own system" makes me shudder. Either they are totally clueless or fresh out of school. There is no other excuse. Really!
There is absolutely no way one person or a small company can compete with a system like Drupal. You simply don't have enough time and resources to code something with as many bells and whistles, supporting new standards, and with such an API ad Drupal has. The API is to die for. The modules, and here we ARE talking about real stand alone - easy to install - no messing up other code/core - modules, are just "kick ass". Just look at the available modules for Drupal.
Axed this from BuisnessWeek: "(Drupal) which is used by Sony BMG Music, Warner Music Group (WMG), Forbes, The Onion, Harvard University, Time Warner's (TWX) AOL, Amnesty International, and more than 250,000 other companies to manage their Web sites."
A lot of government and educational sites in my country are being "upgraded" to Drupal.
For anyone wanting to have a look at the technical aspects of Drupal: http://api.drupal.org/
If I were to mention a number, I would either want at least ~72 frames per second (where the eye/brain would have a hard time discerning between individual frames) or at least match the sync of an ordinary LCD screen at 60 fps.
Well... Those options could be added after they make the iPhone useful =/ -Yes! I do have one 16GB iPhone right here... But it's still not as useful as an old SonyEricsson 810 I also have (right here).
Options I would like to see added: -being able to be -EASILY- used as a modem for a portable computer via USB/BlueTooth (especially with the added 3G support) -register as USB portable unit in Finder / Explorer -drag & drop files to the unit from USB / BlueTooth -same functionality as my iPod. Play music from iTunes on any computer you connect the iPhone too. -drag music from any iTunes to the iPhone -send / receive MMS -use address book on my computers to send SMS / MMS from the iPhone using BlueTooth (I CAN do this with my SE 810) -save e-mail attachments to iPhone's disk -just be user friendly... For the last 5 years all my phones could easily use any mp3-file as ring tone. iPhone?!
iPhone -could- have been SO great, instead it's just "ok".
Slashdot Mirror
My company creates web pages (read: web systems). We only save time not using Drupal as our framework, when we are creating some kind of static advertising page. Other than that, no time saved. This is especially true for sites which are going to "stay around for a while".
So I agree with you. Simple web pages, no Drupal.
To sum up what kind of web pages I would consider Drupal an overkill:
A singel page with some text and/or images.
If the page was to look like this, I would immediately reach out to Drupal:
Anything else than the former.
"Drupal is a bear to work with, fickle, frustrating, and overly complex"... People say the same thing about politics, the economy, and most other things they don't have a clue about how works. Maybe you should take the time to actually learn how Drupal works. Yes, it's hard to work with, if you do not understand the concept of hooks. Almost impossible actually.
On the paper, yes.
But what about the billions/trillions(?) of dollars paid out to the holder of mortgage backed securities (CDSs), where the holder received 100 cents to the dollar of the face value, even though the underlying value was probably be closer to a few cents?
"the Steam Effect" gives us cheaper games?
Never heard of that before. My opinion about Steam, is that on the release day I can get the game cheaper at a local store, than buying it from Steam. 3 months after a game is released, I can always find the same game at my local game store for 1/3 to 1/10 of the price at Steam.
Electronic distribution is the worst thing that happened to gamers if you consider price an important factor. Suddenly vendors don't have any huge physical stock piles left in store, which they really want to get rid of. Only competition is between similar products, not similar retailers, so no incentive there either for electronic distributors to lower prices.
How do you get to the point that "the Steam Effect" gives us cheaper products?
For the last 12 years I've been working with creating web "pages" and ecommerce "pages". I write "pages" because some of these "pages" are some of the largest sites in my country, for some very well know companies. I've tested a lot of commercial and open source solutions, we even had to write an in house solution at first, because no good alternatives existed at that time. For the last 4-5 years I and my company have been using Drupal and porting over all our customers old solutions to Drupal-based systems.
Drupal is hands down the best framework we have ever had the fortune to work with. If you have to "mess with the core" in D6 or soon to be D7, you are really doing something wrong. Most probably with Drupal 5 too. Sorry!
And yes, you do have to write a module if you want to change a form or create a form. That's the beauty of it! Because, if it's a common change, someone else would probably already have written such a module and you don't have to do it, just download it. Besides, if you need to change one of the ordinary forms you most likely have other custom needs for that webpage and would most likely (I hope?) have a custom module to implement all these changes, so you just put your hook_form_alter function in that module.
So which framework / system do YOU develop in?
Would be nice to hear some advice from someone with such a wealth of knowledge as you must be packing... =/
Wow! That was stupid. Actually a bit retarded!
Would you say the same about cars, books, reading lights, washing machines, and what-not?
When you need a larger car, you send in $10000 to the car company and receive some new keys which unlocks the passenger doors? You save $20000 over buying a brand new car. Now THAT is almost a steal! =O
When you are almost done reading the book, you fork off some extra money to be able to finish the book completely. Saves you money from buying another book...
When the book you upgraded comes with smaller font, you shell out some cash to increase the power of your reading light? Saves you money from buying a brand new light. Or when times come to get a bigger TV, you just pay $500 and get to unlock the last 10 inches on your television. This is SO CLEVER!
Maybe you should unlock the rest of your brain... Maybe you wouldn't try to make this sound like something smart, clever, and beneficial for the human society.
That is so true.
Interesting thing with signed certificates, was that BBS (Norwegian: Bankenes Betalings Sentral) which is more or less the central point of all money transfers by credit/debit cards in Norway, is the one signing SSL certs for a lot of banks web pages in Norway. I would trust BBS far more than some signed cert from some unknown web certification authority, but... BBS signed certs would still show up in most browsers with "WARNING WARNING!!!"
What added security for any one person, does Tawte/Verizon provide?
For companies in Norway, I think a huge step would be to have Brønnøysund Register Centre issue certificates to every company or for EU, European Business Register.
30.000 USD ?
That seems rather low.
For Norway I've seen figures ranging from 160 USD to 300 USD a day per prisoner or 58,400 to 109,500 USD per year... =/
I really really hope you are just messing about right now...
Have you tried creating good maps for the Source engine? It's almost impossible compared to a lot of the other enginges out there.
Have you seen veichle physics or the physics in general in that engine? It's simply not there.
IMO the source engine is the perfect example of something which was great (many years ago), being taken too far and extended too much with the result that it comes out just looking and acting wrong... Please let it die.
Pfffft!
Everything changed with the release of Drupal (written in PHP).
We are creating several large projects each year based on Drupal/PHP and our solutions easily bests any proprietary solutions I've encountered so far.
To those complaining. Do NOT buy DRM media.
Every time you pay for an item you support DRM.
And when things go awry, you come here complaining?!
Who cares about Adobe. Let us go for the big one:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2007/03/microsoft-executive-pirating-software-choose-microsoft.ars
"Microsoft group president Jeff Raikes told an audience in San Francisco last week that the company hopes people, if they're going to pirate software, choose to pirate Microsoft software. What's Raikes thinking?"
I can't agree more. "Bigger/Better/Faster"... Yay!
What about native DirectX support for other platforms, so I can start playing games again. I don't have any Windows-based computers at all (both at office and home).
What about an open game platform where you can play games, with mods, in an Xbox Live'ish environment. I like some parts of Xbox Live, but the lack of dedicated community based servers/mods make it inferior to PC.
What about internet/browser based gaming. ID Software is coming with Quake Live now. I want more of this. I don't have 2-3 hours to do "dedicated gaming". I just want to play against people for 15-30 minutes (say, during lunch).
Blu-Ray... Yes! We all know that games became SO MUCH BETTER when CDs where introduced. And lets not forget DVDs. Oh yeah! Games released on DVDs are The Best!
You mention Lord of the Rings...
Why would anyone not try to make something like that? The trilogy was a huge financial success!
Oh, and not to forget, it was probably the most pirated movie trilogy too.
So what conclusion to make from this?
The problem is not with good movies, books, games... The problem is with companies making really bad baaaad baaaaaaad products, then see poor sales and blame it on piracy.
Things which come to mind:
- Moby. First album did great. Second was crap and didn't sell well. What was the result? Moby blaming piracy.
- Game companies Epic, Crytek, Capcom
- Microsoft with Vista
- Star Wars (the latest films)
My conclusion:
Piracy hurts bad products (word of mouth)
Piracy -HELPS- good products (same as above)
Seriously...
That link compares PHP to Perl.
I spit on Perl and so does everybody else I know. Had it at least been Python, Java or something, but Perl?!
My biggest gripe with PHP now, is the lack of support for good IDE with -GOOD- debugging capabilities. God damn !"#%@-Zend...
Couldn't you just turn the Fermi Paradox around and go like:
Since we haven't contacted any extraterrestrial civilizations we don't exist?
But that was a rather slow and cheap disk. The cheapest disks we use here are 146GB 15000RPM disks in raid or mirror.
You don't "spend" 32GB of a raid for swap for a server with 16GB of memory. We set the swap to 2GB. I just checked top on one of the computers and it listed "81956k used" of the swap.
What are you talking about?
Drupals current stable releases are 6.3 and 5.8.
I, and probably many others, would appreciate you mention at least some of all those missing features in Drupal 5.8.
I have been involved in several e-commerce sites developed with Drupal 5.8 and UberCart ( http://www.ubercart.org/ ) and we really don't find much functionality missing. Actually, the Drupal API ( http://api.drupal.org/ ) and available modules is far beyond anything else I've worked with.
Drupal + UberCart is really really good. There is nothing else to say about that.
Developing multi-language e-commerce sites, which conforms to XHTML and CSS standards, with user friendly AJAX enhanced functionality, supporting large number of products (2+ millions) for a large number of visitors, with different payment options is pure joy with Drupal and UberCart.
UberCart is an alternative e-commerce solution for Drupal which is beginning to really stand out from the crowd.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it wouldn't hurt to back up your opinion with some facts/observations.
So what happens if you first click on the WoW executable and -then- click on the Glider executable? :)
Your whole argument falls to pieces and Glider is suddenly working on a licensed copy of WoW
This is just stupid. If you want a program to play your licensed copy of WoW, then fine! You still bought the game and paying the monthly fee like everyone else.
Seems to me that how you enjoy your game, should be up to you, and not up to whomever created it.
Because we all know that Diablo and Diablo 2 were just graphics and lots of zombies =/
The item generation (Slot machine principle), character templates and development, and fast paced gameplay was Diablo 1 & 2. Blizzard manage to include everything which makes a game fun in Diablo 1 & 2, not only for you, but for those playing with a group of friends too.
With patches changing the game dynamics of Diablo 2, the game provided us with several years of experimenting with different character templates.
Seems to me that you either haven't played Diablo games or "just don't get it" :)
But who cares?!
Diablo 3 is coming!!! Hell YEAH!
PS.
This coming from someone who just last month, played Diablo 2 on his MacBook at the airport. Not a single game has kept me coming back for more like the way Diablo 2 has =)
I agree!
I don't see this as a good thing at all. We need to have every generation to die. People are formed in their childhood and will continue to believe in and act accordingly. I see a difference in my parents generation compared to my grandparents and my own generation. How my children will be I don't know, but time will tell.
Also, what about people in charge, be it in politics or extremely rich and powerful people?
Right now we can always be sure about even the worst leader alive will eventually die. With increased life spans or worse, immortality, we can be sure that the first to be able to use this will be the same people living to control us forever. How can this be a good thing?
A lot of change has happened when people in charge die. Now we would actually need to murder those, because dying of old age won't happen.
People who would be the first to get hold of something like this and possible be able to control it:
- sheikhs/kings/princes in the middle east
- people in power, especially those in 3rd world countries
- rich criminals
- politicians
- military leaders
- The Pope and other religious freaks like those high up in Scientology
You forgot to mention that your screen is a 14" LCD at 800x600...
"... start looking for a new challenge and a less happy candy colored world"
What about the real world?
(said with a bit of sarcasm and a tad seriousness)
If the only reason to leave WoW is to play another MMO game, then, maybe... Have you have played WoW for several years and still want more "challenges" why not "Get a life"? *sigh*
Seriously!
Well, Drupal -IS- a framework, and to this date by far the best framework I have worked with.
I'm guessing here that you have never looked at Drupal and the way it is built? Your last sentence give you away. "Hacking" Drupal is something which is very very very rarely needed. After 50 Drupal sites we still have not had the need to to "hack Drupal" - sites which some you really could not tell were running Drupal, others are large e-commerce sites and some just plain CMSs.
The GP here sounds clueless. If you want to meet deadlines, use something like Drupal.
I've coded frameworks and CMS/E-commerce systems from scratch. I've used Mambo, WordPress and some frameworks. Been into OsCommerce, which was my worst experience with any system - hands down.
The company I'm a part of run ~20 onlines stores (from some very large to rather small) and about 70 other CMS/company sites (some large). And right now we are porting everything to Drupal / UberCart - www.ubercart.org (best commerce extension for Drupal).
Just hearing someone mention "coding my own system" makes me shudder. Either they are totally clueless or fresh out of school. There is no other excuse. Really!
There is absolutely no way one person or a small company can compete with a system like Drupal. You simply don't have enough time and resources to code something with as many bells and whistles, supporting new standards, and with such an API ad Drupal has. The API is to die for. The modules, and here we ARE talking about real stand alone - easy to install - no messing up other code/core - modules, are just "kick ass". Just look at the available modules for Drupal.
Axed this from BuisnessWeek:
"(Drupal) which is used by Sony BMG Music, Warner Music Group (WMG), Forbes, The Onion, Harvard University, Time Warner's (TWX) AOL, Amnesty International, and more than 250,000 other companies to manage their Web sites."
A lot of government and educational sites in my country are being "upgraded" to Drupal.
For anyone wanting to have a look at the technical aspects of Drupal: http://api.drupal.org/
Why would one want 30 framed per second?
If I were to mention a number, I would either want at least ~72 frames per second (where the eye/brain would have a hard time discerning between individual frames) or at least match the sync of an ordinary LCD screen at 60 fps.
Well... Those options could be added after they make the iPhone useful =/
-Yes! I do have one 16GB iPhone right here... But it's still not as useful as an old SonyEricsson 810 I also have (right here).
Options I would like to see added:
-being able to be -EASILY- used as a modem for a portable computer via USB/BlueTooth (especially with the added 3G support)
-register as USB portable unit in Finder / Explorer
-drag & drop files to the unit from USB / BlueTooth
-same functionality as my iPod. Play music from iTunes on any computer you connect the iPhone too.
-drag music from any iTunes to the iPhone
-send / receive MMS
-use address book on my computers to send SMS / MMS from the iPhone using BlueTooth (I CAN do this with my SE 810)
-save e-mail attachments to iPhone's disk
-just be user friendly... For the last 5 years all my phones could easily use any mp3-file as ring tone. iPhone?!
iPhone -could- have been SO great, instead it's just "ok".