We're not talking about thousands of different binaries. We're talking about a plain simple "emerge MySQL".
But from my post's grandparent:
The result is that the user's CFLAGS, Gentoo's patches/defaults, and so on, end up with a binary that is quite a bit different from the stock MySQL install, and it's not terribly surprising to me that the only 'unstable' MySQL situations I've seen are on Gentoo (which is not to say others don't occur).
So with CFLAGS, USE settings, etc, we could well be getting into thousands of different possibilities. I would put FreeBSD's ports approach at the same level as any other distro's binary release for the stability purposes of this discussion.
Why bother? Its much easier to use something like a Vocollect unit with a small barcode scanner. What's with all the tapping? Besides, your average Distribution Center is remarkably automated (in the computing, rather than the robotic (for the most part) sense) these days. If it wasn't, my company wouldn't even exist.
How is this any different from SuSE, Fedoria, Debian, etc? Hardly anyone has a "stock" MySQL with zero patches and just exactly the same libraries linked in as the developers do. One distro has a bug fix included and another doesn't while a third installs to a non-standard location. Even worse a fourth distro has the temerity not to use this week's libssl! What is a tyrannical developer to do?
Well, first of all, with the distros, you're talking about 15-20 different binaries, not thousands. Second, the distros will have - or at least should have - tested their versions pretty well, at least as far as the major stuff like MySQL goes. Third, they can provide frontline support - if it turns out that one of their "custom" settings caused a problem, they fix it once and it gets pushed out to all of their users. None of this applies to Joe Average who compiles it (strangely, thanks to their settings) from source and then doesn't know what to do when it doesn't work.
Building from source only really gives you advantages if you know how - and are willing - to dip into that same source when there's an issue.
Only they use electric shower heaters that mount on the showerhead, and if you touch it and anything else outside the tub, you get shocked. Not a life threatening shock, but a most unpleasant one when you're groggy in the morning needing a hot shower to wake up.
They have these in the UK as well - probably more places, but those are the ones I've used - and they heat the water up to "too hot" without any issues. Or shocks, for that matter. But I was thinking of the hidden in-wall kind rather than the surface-mount electric pumps/heaters.
YUM is exactly the point of course. Download any Windows applications from the net in a zipfile (that's how most software from sf.net is distributed), extract it into a directory, run it.. and when you don't need it anymore remove the directory. Works for me.
Oh? Well, in that model, let's say that you make some configuration changes. Where are they stored? Is it in the program installation directory (whoops, now they should be backed up as well - oh, and what about multiple users)? Or is it in the user's appconfig directory so that things like roaming will work (woops, now your uninstall-by-deleting doesn't work too well)?
Oh, and how do you run it, with what command line options? Does it create an easily-accessible menu option that you can move and rename if you want to, or group with other similar programs? How does that get deleted?
Now let's get really crazy and say that there's a part of this program that you want to run all the time. Is there some kind of autodiscovery? If so, and you disable it, does it remember that fact even after you've uninstalled(deleted) and reinstalled the program? That would be frustrating, an uninstall/reinstall should clean up everything. But if not, how is that setting being cleaned up by your deletion?
Should any user who wants to run the program be able to overwrite its files anyway?
I've always wanted to see how fesible it would be to plumb an entire house with cold water only, and do point-source heaters at various places instead of a central system. That way there's no need for insulated pipes, fewer holes in the framing, et cetera. I doubt that you'd save much money in the simplicty, but you would save some (more than offset by the cost of all of the water heaters, of course).
The big key here is to make each room acoustically separate. If there are components accessed in the LR, there need to be vents for that space back into the LR, above or below the rack. You can then put a decent amount of insulation - or even better, insulation with an air gap - between the two contained spaces. The other thing that helps a lot is to make sure that your in-wall speakers have baffles, rather than just being open to the space.
I'm building a house right now, and this is one thing that I've decided on. I'm installing a completely hidden audio system - well, the speakers are, I didn't like the options I was seeing for remote device access. Even the sub, which sounds surprisingly good for a box that's only 4" deep (in-wall mounting). The sound quality will be a step down for me, but I admitted that I would much rather have the space than my current level of quality.
In other news, does anyone want to buy a great set of already-broken-in speakers? I'm selling a full-on Infinity Compositions setup:
1) Center channel - 1 tweeter, 2 4" mids, 2 6.5" woofers (linear array) 2) Main speakers - 1 tweeter, 2 4" mids, 4 6.5" woofers (linear array), 1 12" powered sub (250w each) 2) Surround speakers - 5 2.5" (?) drivers, one direct the others about 30 degrees off center 1) Powered sub - 15" driver, 2 15" passive radiators, 1000w internal amp
It's a pretty sweet setup. A few scratches on the speaker grills, but otherwise great, and its sonically pristine. Currently located in Austin, TX. You know, just in case.
Er, what's with your WFT? You can get some really great picture quality with $2 RCA cables going between the component outputs of your DVD player and the inputs of your TV. I'm not averse to spending on AV gear, and I tried some "fancy" cables at one point, then swapped them out for some el cheapo ones - no visual difference on my 65" HDTV from 480p/720p/1080i signals. So if you're spending $55 on some cables automatically, you're probably throwing money away.
The ones that really make me laugh are the high-end digital audio coax ones. Its not like even high-rate digital audio is a lot of data, and it has that whole it-either-works-or-it-doesn't thing going for it. In fact, if you've used generic stereo RCAs to run your video signal, you've got half of one free. Use it for your audio signal, and there you go.
Out of curiosity, which player did you get? I'd like to get an upconverting one to replace my fantastic, yet outdated, Toshiba SD-9200 (state of the art back in the day), but my 65" HDTV only has component inputs as well and, since it still works, I'm really not wanting to completely replace the damn thing.
Yup. Without that non-profit charter, there's nothing to stop them from taking your $1 million donation and going to Vegas with it. Or just disappearing for that matter - wouldn't be illegal in the slightest. Running a non-incorporated charity is just dumb if you want people to donate to it. And if you don't, well, then who cares?
Now why that link didn't get a [piratebay.org] tag, but the parent ones got a [comedycentral.com] tag, I'm sure I don't know. And its not like I'd ever dive into slashcode to find out either. Just - heh.
If, for example, you could download songs you liked at $0.10US each, why bother pirating them?
Funny, in the pre-iTunes days that's exactly what people were saying, except they said $1 instead of $0.1. My guess is that if songs were ten cents each, we'd get the same comments about not pirating them if they were only a penny.
Then again, as iTunes has proven, many people feel that $0.99 is a reasonable price for a song.
I was really hoping that, along with everything else, iTunes would gain the ability to "easily" rip DVDs. Or iDVD would integate better with iTunes - either way. But basically I'd like the ability to just stick a DVD in the drive, wait a while, and have it spit back out at me (just as iTunes does with CDs), and have that DVD forever accessible through FrontRow. All of the pieces are there, but they're just not integrated quite yet - although integration is arguably what Apple does best. What gives?
Actually, the majority of HDTVs already sold in the US do not support DVI. Most of them only have component inputs. Granted, newer models have the pure digital inputs... But there are people (myself included) with very nice TVs that have really sweet pictures that only accept analog video in. Personally, I'd like not to have to pay $hundreds to get a converter.
If I'm already zoomed in so that everything on the screen is in a single city, which is - oh - almost 100% of the time, then typing in "123 Anyplace" should automatically presume that, yes, I want the one that's in the city I'm currently looking at. Not the one in Des Moines, IA (unless that's where I'm looking which, for me at any rate, is rare). This would be especially nice when searching for directions.
And I agree with the parent about clicking - there have been many times when I want to say, "Get me the fastest route to <here>, without having to guess at how to describe it, especially when its not understanding my intersection syntax.
Oh, and speaking of guessing, if I ask for an address and it doesn't have a good match, but it only comes up with one possible alternative, 99% of the time I'll click it anyway to find out. A simple "Go Back" (and, hey, the back button works for me) would obliviate this extra step. Now this should only happen by default when there's only one choice, but that would save me a metric ****load of frustration.
Finally, what happened to mousewheel zooming? I know that at one point it was working on at least one of my computers. Then it stopped, never to return. Or was it all just a dream?
GoogleMaps is so close to great its painful. If they could just be Google, do what they do best, and fix those last annoying times when you realize that you're "Using GoogleMaps" instead of "Getting Directions"... then, my friends, it will truly rule.
Weeeel, yes. Technically, in that the coffee is not on the floor and won't need to be given 5 seconds of attention with a wet rag. The pointy shards of shattered ceramic, now, they're every-fucking-where. And a lot harder to deal with.
I also don't want a sub cause frankly I don't like excessively loud bass but I do like quality midrange.
I see what you're saying - and I agree with it as far as priorities go - but one of the classic mistakes people make when they first get a subwoofer is setting the crossover point up way too high.
I have three in my system - two 12" powered subs incorporated into my mains, and a standalone 15" sub for the true.1 channel (not used for stereo sound). The 12s get down pretty low, but I have my 15" sub crossed over at around 48hz to extend the floor down. It really makes a difference playing those nice ultra-low notes, rumbling explosions, et cetera, without sounding like you can actually hear the soundwaves popping.
Admittedly, this kind of setup isn't for everyone. And I'm even getting rid of it soon (new house, doing an in-ceiling 5 speaker setup with an in-wall subwoofer that only drops down to ~35hz at the lowest, because a fully hidden setup is worth more to me, now, than an acoustically fantastic one was when I got my current set). But a good sub, used well, shouldn't boom. It should just extend.
Ah. I misparsed your comment. I thought that you were saying that "screwed (early adopters == dead technology)" instead of "(screwed early adopters) == dead technology"
Watching HD content on this screen shows quite a bit of improvement over a DVD still, but the difference is by far not as dramatic as going from a regular TV set to something that can properly display a DVD in its native resolution.
Not to me. On my 65" set, watching SDTV signals, even upsampled, is painful. Watching DVDs at 420p is acceptable, but still not great. Watching a nice 1080i signal is a huge, dramatic, noticable improvement. Not every early adopter is blind, you know.
Perhaps, but screwed early adopters = dead technology anyway. Look at the history of the consumer technology market, and I defy anyone to find me a major exception.
Fine. You want an example? HDTV. My 3 year old set (not all that early-adopter, I got it on sale at Sears) can quite properly display 1080i and 720p just fine. The technology is fine. If HD-DVD was putting out a 2160p signal, that would be my problem. If it was doing some new 1200p signal, that would also be a problem. My TV inputs can accept the signal being displayed.
This is not a technical issue, its an artifically created issue.
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Ya know, its funny what turns some people on.
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I mean, really. This is a family forum, for chrissakes.
That's a big mistake. Once you sign it, it becomes a bearer document. Just put "FOR DEPOSIT ONLY: " and then your bank information.
You said:
We're not talking about thousands of different binaries. We're talking about a plain simple "emerge MySQL".
But from my post's grandparent:
The result is that the user's CFLAGS, Gentoo's patches/defaults, and so on, end up with a binary that is quite a bit different from the stock MySQL install, and it's not terribly surprising to me that the only 'unstable' MySQL situations I've seen are on Gentoo (which is not to say others don't occur).
So with CFLAGS, USE settings, etc, we could well be getting into thousands of different possibilities. I would put FreeBSD's ports approach at the same level as any other distro's binary release for the stability purposes of this discussion.
Why bother? Its much easier to use something like a Vocollect unit with a small barcode scanner. What's with all the tapping? Besides, your average Distribution Center is remarkably automated (in the computing, rather than the robotic (for the most part) sense) these days. If it wasn't, my company wouldn't even exist.
How is this any different from SuSE, Fedoria, Debian, etc? Hardly anyone has a "stock" MySQL with zero patches and just exactly the same libraries linked in as the developers do. One distro has a bug fix included and another doesn't while a third installs to a non-standard location. Even worse a fourth distro has the temerity not to use this week's libssl! What is a tyrannical developer to do?
Well, first of all, with the distros, you're talking about 15-20 different binaries, not thousands. Second, the distros will have - or at least should have - tested their versions pretty well, at least as far as the major stuff like MySQL goes. Third, they can provide frontline support - if it turns out that one of their "custom" settings caused a problem, they fix it once and it gets pushed out to all of their users. None of this applies to Joe Average who compiles it (strangely, thanks to their settings) from source and then doesn't know what to do when it doesn't work.
Building from source only really gives you advantages if you know how - and are willing - to dip into that same source when there's an issue.
Looks like a search engine portal to me, man...
Only they use electric shower heaters that mount on the showerhead, and if you touch it and anything else outside the tub, you get shocked. Not a life threatening shock, but a most unpleasant one when you're groggy in the morning needing a hot shower to wake up.
They have these in the UK as well - probably more places, but those are the ones I've used - and they heat the water up to "too hot" without any issues. Or shocks, for that matter. But I was thinking of the hidden in-wall kind rather than the surface-mount electric pumps/heaters.
YUM is exactly the point of course. Download any Windows applications from the net in a zipfile (that's how most software from sf.net is distributed), extract it into a directory, run it.. and when you don't need it anymore remove the directory. Works for me.
Oh? Well, in that model, let's say that you make some configuration changes. Where are they stored? Is it in the program installation directory (whoops, now they should be backed up as well - oh, and what about multiple users)? Or is it in the user's appconfig directory so that things like roaming will work (woops, now your uninstall-by-deleting doesn't work too well)?
Oh, and how do you run it, with what command line options? Does it create an easily-accessible menu option that you can move and rename if you want to, or group with other similar programs? How does that get deleted?
Now let's get really crazy and say that there's a part of this program that you want to run all the time. Is there some kind of autodiscovery? If so, and you disable it, does it remember that fact even after you've uninstalled(deleted) and reinstalled the program? That would be frustrating, an uninstall/reinstall should clean up everything. But if not, how is that setting being cleaned up by your deletion?
Should any user who wants to run the program be able to overwrite its files anyway?
I've always wanted to see how fesible it would be to plumb an entire house with cold water only, and do point-source heaters at various places instead of a central system. That way there's no need for insulated pipes, fewer holes in the framing, et cetera. I doubt that you'd save much money in the simplicty, but you would save some (more than offset by the cost of all of the water heaters, of course).
The big key here is to make each room acoustically separate. If there are components accessed in the LR, there need to be vents for that space back into the LR, above or below the rack. You can then put a decent amount of insulation - or even better, insulation with an air gap - between the two contained spaces. The other thing that helps a lot is to make sure that your in-wall speakers have baffles, rather than just being open to the space.
I'm building a house right now, and this is one thing that I've decided on. I'm installing a completely hidden audio system - well, the speakers are, I didn't like the options I was seeing for remote device access. Even the sub, which sounds surprisingly good for a box that's only 4" deep (in-wall mounting). The sound quality will be a step down for me, but I admitted that I would much rather have the space than my current level of quality.
In other news, does anyone want to buy a great set of already-broken-in speakers? I'm selling a full-on Infinity Compositions setup:
1) Center channel - 1 tweeter, 2 4" mids, 2 6.5" woofers (linear array)
2) Main speakers - 1 tweeter, 2 4" mids, 4 6.5" woofers (linear array), 1 12" powered sub (250w each)
2) Surround speakers - 5 2.5" (?) drivers, one direct the others about 30 degrees off center
1) Powered sub - 15" driver, 2 15" passive radiators, 1000w internal amp
It's a pretty sweet setup. A few scratches on the speaker grills, but otherwise great, and its sonically pristine. Currently located in Austin, TX. You know, just in case.
But Blu-Ray already has proposed support for 50gb relatively shortly after their initial release. HD-DVD... doesn't.
Er, what's with your WFT? You can get some really great picture quality with $2 RCA cables going between the component outputs of your DVD player and the inputs of your TV. I'm not averse to spending on AV gear, and I tried some "fancy" cables at one point, then swapped them out for some el cheapo ones - no visual difference on my 65" HDTV from 480p/720p/1080i signals. So if you're spending $55 on some cables automatically, you're probably throwing money away.
The ones that really make me laugh are the high-end digital audio coax ones. Its not like even high-rate digital audio is a lot of data, and it has that whole it-either-works-or-it-doesn't thing going for it. In fact, if you've used generic stereo RCAs to run your video signal, you've got half of one free. Use it for your audio signal, and there you go.
Out of curiosity, which player did you get? I'd like to get an upconverting one to replace my fantastic, yet outdated, Toshiba SD-9200 (state of the art back in the day), but my 65" HDTV only has component inputs as well and, since it still works, I'm really not wanting to completely replace the damn thing.
Yup. Without that non-profit charter, there's nothing to stop them from taking your $1 million donation and going to Vegas with it. Or just disappearing for that matter - wouldn't be illegal in the slightest. Running a non-incorporated charity is just dumb if you want people to donate to it. And if you don't, well, then who cares?
Now why that link didn't get a [piratebay.org] tag, but the parent ones got a [comedycentral.com] tag, I'm sure I don't know. And its not like I'd ever dive into slashcode to find out either. Just - heh.
If, for example, you could download songs you liked at $0.10US each, why bother pirating them?
Funny, in the pre-iTunes days that's exactly what people were saying, except they said $1 instead of $0.1. My guess is that if songs were ten cents each, we'd get the same comments about not pirating them if they were only a penny.
Then again, as iTunes has proven, many people feel that $0.99 is a reasonable price for a song.
I was really hoping that, along with everything else, iTunes would gain the ability to "easily" rip DVDs. Or iDVD would integate better with iTunes - either way. But basically I'd like the ability to just stick a DVD in the drive, wait a while, and have it spit back out at me (just as iTunes does with CDs), and have that DVD forever accessible through FrontRow. All of the pieces are there, but they're just not integrated quite yet - although integration is arguably what Apple does best. What gives?
Actually, the majority of HDTVs already sold in the US do not support DVI. Most of them only have component inputs. Granted, newer models have the pure digital inputs... But there are people (myself included) with very nice TVs that have really sweet pictures that only accept analog video in. Personally, I'd like not to have to pay $hundreds to get a converter.
If I'm already zoomed in so that everything on the screen is in a single city, which is - oh - almost 100% of the time, then typing in "123 Anyplace" should automatically presume that, yes, I want the one that's in the city I'm currently looking at. Not the one in Des Moines, IA (unless that's where I'm looking which, for me at any rate, is rare). This would be especially nice when searching for directions.
And I agree with the parent about clicking - there have been many times when I want to say, "Get me the fastest route to <here>, without having to guess at how to describe it, especially when its not understanding my intersection syntax.
Oh, and speaking of guessing, if I ask for an address and it doesn't have a good match, but it only comes up with one possible alternative, 99% of the time I'll click it anyway to find out. A simple "Go Back" (and, hey, the back button works for me) would obliviate this extra step. Now this should only happen by default when there's only one choice, but that would save me a metric ****load of frustration.
Finally, what happened to mousewheel zooming? I know that at one point it was working on at least one of my computers. Then it stopped, never to return. Or was it all just a dream?
GoogleMaps is so close to great its painful. If they could just be Google, do what they do best, and fix those last annoying times when you realize that you're "Using GoogleMaps" instead of "Getting Directions"... then, my friends, it will truly rule.
What's saved is the cleaning up part
Weeeel, yes. Technically, in that the coffee is not on the floor and won't need to be given 5 seconds of attention with a wet rag. The pointy shards of shattered ceramic, now, they're every-fucking-where. And a lot harder to deal with.
I also don't want a sub cause frankly I don't like excessively loud bass but I do like quality midrange.
.1 channel (not used for stereo sound). The 12s get down pretty low, but I have my 15" sub crossed over at around 48hz to extend the floor down. It really makes a difference playing those nice ultra-low notes, rumbling explosions, et cetera, without sounding like you can actually hear the soundwaves popping.
I see what you're saying - and I agree with it as far as priorities go - but one of the classic mistakes people make when they first get a subwoofer is setting the crossover point up way too high.
I have three in my system - two 12" powered subs incorporated into my mains, and a standalone 15" sub for the true
Admittedly, this kind of setup isn't for everyone. And I'm even getting rid of it soon (new house, doing an in-ceiling 5 speaker setup with an in-wall subwoofer that only drops down to ~35hz at the lowest, because a fully hidden setup is worth more to me, now, than an acoustically fantastic one was when I got my current set). But a good sub, used well, shouldn't boom. It should just extend.
Ah. I misparsed your comment. I thought that you were saying that "screwed (early adopters == dead technology)" instead of "(screwed early adopters) == dead technology"
Watching HD content on this screen shows quite a bit of improvement over a DVD still, but the difference is by far not as dramatic as going from a regular TV set to something that can properly display a DVD in its native resolution.
Not to me. On my 65" set, watching SDTV signals, even upsampled, is painful. Watching DVDs at 420p is acceptable, but still not great. Watching a nice 1080i signal is a huge, dramatic, noticable improvement. Not every early adopter is blind, you know.
Perhaps, but screwed early adopters = dead technology anyway. Look at the history of the consumer technology market, and I defy anyone to find me a major exception.
Fine. You want an example? HDTV. My 3 year old set (not all that early-adopter, I got it on sale at Sears) can quite properly display 1080i and 720p just fine. The technology is fine. If HD-DVD was putting out a 2160p signal, that would be my problem. If it was doing some new 1200p signal, that would also be a problem. My TV inputs can accept the signal being displayed.
This is not a technical issue, its an artifically created issue.