It uses a different architecture altogether. WebObjects was born in 1996, before J2EE containers even existed. And it was written in Objective-C. In 2000 they rewrote WO in Java, and that's when the trouble started; they basically just rewrote the whole thing, and it looks like the work was done by the ObjC people, because they even migrated the ObjC collection classes (there was no need for this, really, they could have used the Java collection classes) and this caused a bunch of compatibility problems. A patch was released later that added conversion methods from the java collection classes to the WO foundation collection classes.
And supposedly you can deploy a WO app into a J2EE container, but EOF has issues with multithreading, you have to lock a lot of stuff manually, and generally it's easier to just use the same old WO way of deploying stuff, which is via the WOMonitor, launching many instances of your application and letting the apache WO adaptor handle the load balancing.
In short, you can deploy WO apps using only J2SE without a container.
That sentence is not accurate at all. It did cost 50K at first (there were three licenses: free WO which was only scriptable with no DB connectivity; a 4K developer license which allowed you to compile your own components, and the 50K enterprise deployment version - this was when WO was ObjC-based), but then in 1998 (or 1999) it went down to $699 with free developer licenses, and stayed at that price until now.
And the old license was better, I think. It allowed you to deploy on Linux or Windows. OSX Server has included a free WO deployment license for quite some time now. But now, with this new license, you can only deploy on Tiger Server. Being Java (and not J2EE, but J2SE) I guess you can deploy it on Linux but it's going to be unsupported now.
It uses JDBC. However, last time I used it, you needed a database plugin to make it work better. The provided adaptors were for Oracle and SQLServer.
And I saw somewhere a PostgreSQL adaptor for WebObjects, I guess it's the plugin (the adaptors were used back when WO was an ObjC tool; a database adaptor was the implementation of a common API that connected to a particular database).
probably microsoft gave it to them for free (the development of the website, I mean).
A friend of mine was the main developer for Mexico's Yellow Pages back in 1996, and we built it with WebObjects (back when it was an ObjC-based NeXT product). It worked great.
Now it's built with ASP, I don't even know if it's.NET or if this switch happened previously. Why did they dump a working website in favor of a new one that has many problems? because MS developed the site for them, for free. It only has the MS logo all over the place, so everybody knows that MS can build a website as important as that (Mexico's yellow pages cover the whole country, not just Mexico City). So for MS it's an advertising expense.
you forgot to write "WHICH SUCKS ASS BIG WAY, BTW", right after "another email program for the mac".
M$ makes another email program for the Mac WHICH SUCKS ASS BIG WAY, BTW.
see? much better. Now this can be modded Informative.
Seriously, I used Entourage for a long time because of the Exchange support (MS's email server which really reallly sucks ass big time). After I stopped using the stupid exchange features (because I left the company where I had that account), I finally dumped Entourage forever, and now only use Mail
Ah well the thing is, usually at the sites where I'm installing, the servers I'm configuring have no access to the internet, and getting even temporary access for them involves going down on my hands and knees to the site admins and waiting for three days till they figure out how to give me outbound internet access without compromising their site's security, etc etc. So, no apt-get for me.
I have installed FC3 on 10 servers this year, and I always choose "custom" for package selection, and I always uncheck sendmail because I never use it, and it is always installed and active.
It's become a habit for me to uncheck it, and then just chkconfig sendmail off on every install I do. So I guess this didn't get fixed then. Oh well, it's just a minor annoyance to me since I always turn it off as part of my install procedure.
Thinking about it, it's probably not a bug but a feature... probably some admin package depends on sendmail so it gets installed.
just yesterday I installled FC3 on 3 HP servers with hardware RAID and Xeon processors. Everything went smooth. But I guess it's the last FC3 install I make.
From now on it's going to be FC4, as soon as I test it on a dev machine I have here. If FC3 always handled all the RAID and HT stuff correctly, I don't see why FC4 would have any problems. I'm hoping for SATA RAID support, I guess we'll see.
Point is, hardware issues affect any operating system. Fedora isn't a magical OS that just works on everything.
yes it is. I just installed FC4 on my watch, my cellphone, my iPod and an old beercan, and it runs just fine on all of them. I haven't been able to set them up in a cluster though. But first I want to install it in my car's spare tire, just in case. And as soon as my dog calms down...
jesus h. christ, is that shit for real, or is he actually mocking windows? I with I had never seen the video, I feel a little like I felt after seeing the goatse guy...
a large user and developer base, which means better support. Your framework is only used by your company, so only you can support it.
Struts is a popular framework, so you can hire developers who already know it instead of having to train them on the use of your own propietary one. This one is even a selling point to the PHB's, since they know that no training time means the newbies can start being productive sooner.
It's open source, so if you ever leave your current job and go work somewhere else, you can take that knowledge with you, and use it anywhere else. The knowledge you have about this propietary framework will be useless since it's the company's property (yes, even if you wrote it, since it was on the company's time, unless you had a written agreement saying otherwise)
I'm not even a Struts advocate, I prefer Tapestry myself. But I once worked at a company where we (mostly I) developed a framework for web applications and guess what... I can't use it now that I don't work there. Oh and I had to keep training people on the use of the framework. And I was the only one giving support to the other developers. And these guys licensed said framework to every customer they had where it was used for their projects, and I got nothing for it besides my paycheck.
If I had worked on improving Tapestry or Struts or something like that, instead of concocting a propietary framework, I would still have access to that work today, it wouldn't have gone to waste. That's yet another reason why Open Source is good and one of the reasons I like most (being a developer, I take advantage of a lot of open source frameworks that mainly benefit the developer and contribute back whenever I can, either by promoting said frameworks or sending patches, etc).
Oh and that propietary framework I wrote? I don't think anyone even uses it anymore. Few people really understood how it worked and most of them have also left that company, so now they're left with a useless product, they can't support or upgrade the projects written with that framework. I know that they have even contracted ex-employees for maintenance on projects they worked on while being there... so in the end it wasn't even a good thing for the company either. The use of an open framework would have meant they could hire anyone who knows it for upgrades, maintenance, bug fixes, etc.
You keep forgetting there is a thing called the rest of the world, where we probably won't have that kind of shit forced on us, maybe for lack of interest from the companies or maybe simply because the piracy is so big a business that this kind of schemes will never take.
So you'll be coming down to Mexico to buy maybe pirated DVD's, or maybe legal region 4 DVD's without the stupid finger DRM, and you can also buy a region-free player for $100 USD without the stupid finger DRM and go watch the stuff at home.
Unless they make it illegal in your government to import that kind of stuff into the US.
Could this have anything to do with the new Red Screen of Death? Are they planning to install this feature in RedHat, so that when you see a BSOD/RSOD you know what crashed (windows or linux)? What are they going to do to the distro to make it crash as often as windows? Are they going to rename the company DeadHat?
It is one thing that KDE programs all start with K. But this guy putting a K in front of his real name just to show everyone he's a KDE programmer? come on!!!
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It uses a different architecture altogether. WebObjects was born in 1996, before J2EE containers even existed. And it was written in Objective-C. In 2000 they rewrote WO in Java, and that's when the trouble started; they basically just rewrote the whole thing, and it looks like the work was done by the ObjC people, because they even migrated the ObjC collection classes (there was no need for this, really, they could have used the Java collection classes) and this caused a bunch of compatibility problems. A patch was released later that added conversion methods from the java collection classes to the WO foundation collection classes. And supposedly you can deploy a WO app into a J2EE container, but EOF has issues with multithreading, you have to lock a lot of stuff manually, and generally it's easier to just use the same old WO way of deploying stuff, which is via the WOMonitor, launching many instances of your application and letting the apache WO adaptor handle the load balancing. In short, you can deploy WO apps using only J2SE without a container.
That sentence is not accurate at all. It did cost 50K at first (there were three licenses: free WO which was only scriptable with no DB connectivity; a 4K developer license which allowed you to compile your own components, and the 50K enterprise deployment version - this was when WO was ObjC-based), but then in 1998 (or 1999) it went down to $699 with free developer licenses, and stayed at that price until now.
And the old license was better, I think. It allowed you to deploy on Linux or Windows. OSX Server has included a free WO deployment license for quite some time now. But now, with this new license, you can only deploy on Tiger Server. Being Java (and not J2EE, but J2SE) I guess you can deploy it on Linux but it's going to be unsupported now.
It uses JDBC. However, last time I used it, you needed a database plugin to make it work better. The provided adaptors were for Oracle and SQLServer. And I saw somewhere a PostgreSQL adaptor for WebObjects, I guess it's the plugin (the adaptors were used back when WO was an ObjC tool; a database adaptor was the implementation of a common API that connected to a particular database).
probably microsoft gave it to them for free (the development of the website, I mean).
.NET or if this switch happened previously. Why did they dump a working website in favor of a new one that has many problems? because MS developed the site for them, for free. It only has the MS logo all over the place, so everybody knows that MS can build a website as important as that (Mexico's yellow pages cover the whole country, not just Mexico City). So for MS it's an advertising expense.
A friend of mine was the main developer for Mexico's Yellow Pages back in 1996, and we built it with WebObjects (back when it was an ObjC-based NeXT product). It worked great.
Now it's built with ASP, I don't even know if it's
Seriously, I used Entourage for a long time because of the Exchange support (MS's email server which really reallly sucks ass big time). After I stopped using the stupid exchange features (because I left the company where I had that account), I finally dumped Entourage forever, and now only use Mail
Ah well the thing is, usually at the sites where I'm installing, the servers I'm configuring have no access to the internet, and getting even temporary access for them involves going down on my hands and knees to the site admins and waiting for three days till they figure out how to give me outbound internet access without compromising their site's security, etc etc.
So, no apt-get for me.
I have installed FC3 on 10 servers this year, and I always choose "custom" for package selection, and I always uncheck sendmail because I never use it, and it is always installed and active.
It's become a habit for me to uncheck it, and then just chkconfig sendmail off on every install I do. So I guess this didn't get fixed then. Oh well, it's just a minor annoyance to me since I always turn it off as part of my install procedure.
Thinking about it, it's probably not a bug but a feature... probably some admin package depends on sendmail so it gets installed.
just yesterday I installled FC3 on 3 HP servers with hardware RAID and Xeon processors. Everything went smooth. But I guess it's the last FC3 install I make.
From now on it's going to be FC4, as soon as I test it on a dev machine I have here. If FC3 always handled all the RAID and HT stuff correctly, I don't see why FC4 would have any problems. I'm hoping for SATA RAID support, I guess we'll see.
or, better yet, read the book. It's a lot sicker but all the critique about the 80's yuppies is more detailed too.
jesus h. christ, is that shit for real, or is he actually mocking windows? I with I had never seen the video, I feel a little like I felt after seeing the goatse guy...
wow, if an aircraft carrier is needed to make Java Server Faces work, they should just ditch the damn thing.
pee wee herman can beat tyson in a barehanded fight.
All he has to do is tell tyson he was just at a dirty movie theater... the "ew" reaction from tyson will give pee pwee the victory.
yeah, that's it.
- a large user and developer base, which means better support. Your framework is only used by your company, so only you can support it.
- Struts is a popular framework, so you can hire developers who already know it instead of having to train them on the use of your own propietary one. This one is even a selling point to the PHB's, since they know that no training time means the newbies can start being productive sooner.
- It's open source, so if you ever leave your current job and go work somewhere else, you can take that knowledge with you, and use it anywhere else. The knowledge you have about this propietary framework will be useless since it's the company's property (yes, even if you wrote it, since it was on the company's time, unless you had a written agreement saying otherwise)
I'm not even a Struts advocate, I prefer Tapestry myself. But I once worked at a company where we (mostly I) developed a framework for web applications and guess what... I can't use it now that I don't work there. Oh and I had to keep training people on the use of the framework. And I was the only one giving support to the other developers. And these guys licensed said framework to every customer they had where it was used for their projects, and I got nothing for it besides my paycheck.If I had worked on improving Tapestry or Struts or something like that, instead of concocting a propietary framework, I would still have access to that work today, it wouldn't have gone to waste. That's yet another reason why Open Source is good and one of the reasons I like most (being a developer, I take advantage of a lot of open source frameworks that mainly benefit the developer and contribute back whenever I can, either by promoting said frameworks or sending patches, etc).
Oh and that propietary framework I wrote? I don't think anyone even uses it anymore. Few people really understood how it worked and most of them have also left that company, so now they're left with a useless product, they can't support or upgrade the projects written with that framework. I know that they have even contracted ex-employees for maintenance on projects they worked on while being there... so in the end it wasn't even a good thing for the company either. The use of an open framework would have meant they could hire anyone who knows it for upgrades, maintenance, bug fixes, etc.
More like: if you are only copying-and-pasting code, the only tool IS you...
You keep forgetting there is a thing called the rest of the world, where we probably won't have that kind of shit forced on us, maybe for lack of interest from the companies or maybe simply because the piracy is so big a business that this kind of schemes will never take.
So you'll be coming down to Mexico to buy maybe pirated DVD's, or maybe legal region 4 DVD's without the stupid finger DRM, and you can also buy a region-free player for $100 USD without the stupid finger DRM and go watch the stuff at home.
Unless they make it illegal in your government to import that kind of stuff into the US.
I thought this was standard practice already, no need to tell everyone to treat us like shit.
Could this have anything to do with the new Red Screen of Death? Are they planning to install this feature in RedHat, so that when you see a BSOD/RSOD you know what crashed (windows or linux)? What are they going to do to the distro to make it crash as often as windows? Are they going to rename the company DeadHat?
It's an obvious take on Jobs' style.
But anyone can reply, "at least they don't look like the morons that used to sing that 500 miles song".
ah but there is a new version in the works, Power over Wifi, or POW! for short (as in the sound of lightning hitting your box).
And in the Spotlight find them.
It is one thing that KDE programs all start with K. But this guy putting a K in front of his real name just to show everyone he's a KDE programmer? come on!!!