It's also being about easy to learn. Some things just shouldn't be made intuitive for the sake of it, eg. would you want a user to have to use a photocopier icon to copy files? This would obviously be very annoying. And some people mentioned the dragging files to a bin. Well, that's probably intuitive. But is it good? In the Mac, you have to drag disks to the trash to eject them. But users say they don't want to delete the disk! And in windows, how many of you actually do the drag and drop? The delete key is much more convenient.
Sometimes, it's ok as long as it is easy to learn, and once you have been shown once, it is easy and painless to do it again, even hundreds of times. Like Ctrl-Alt-Del. It's not intuitive. But once someone is shown once, they will be using it every day afterwards without giving it much thought.
You're right. I don't mind even 100KB pages, but the only problem is, most 100KB pages (other than stuff like slashdot), are a small page full of 10 level deep nested tables which shows about 2k of actual text in side.
Why do these 'professional' web designers need to add all this fancy 'tables' (oh wow) to feel useful? a
When they 'invented' Win95, they were given a lot of crap for having shortcuts that they have instead of sym or hard links in unix, macs, os/2 or whatever.
They retorted that symlinks are evil and hard and bad for newbies, easy to make mistakes on, etc. So now, they decide to do the same thing, <I>Automatically!</I>, behind the users back, and also call it an innovation?!
It's not a bad thing to add to windows, but automatically... Is this like every time I create/alter a file, it will scan thru all network storage areas to see if there are any identical bitstreams? Or will it be like incremental garbage collection for hard disks?
What if I wanted to store multiple copies of a file to protect against bad sectors, because I'm don't have a proper backup system? That won't work anymore. Unless we set up some.ignore file or something?
But if you were making this as a backup on a different disk?
You would make a backup as usual. Then your original disk crashes. But don't worry, you had a backup on your 2nd disk right? Nope, it got turned into a symbolic link???
Maybe we'll end up having to define complex rules on when to auto-sym-link and when not to... And it'll default to auto, and newbies will be caught out.
One day, you'll have mp3 stored in stuff inside you, and the RIAA will be lobbying to encrypt your brain cell functions so that you can't listen to a song on a radio then "remember" it without paying them ^_^;;
That will be a fun day. Or maybe they'll implement that Intel display encryption. They can filter what you see thru your eyes! No more looking at dirty pictures ^_^
This seems like an article that has many ifs and maybes but very little information. "Up to X times better" etc, but where's the guarantee that by the time they're released that they will even be equal to what we have by then?
That aside, I wonder how much energy it takes to switch these magnetic fields. And since magnetic fields I believe are infinitely reaching, how interference will affect the miniturisation of this stuff?
Also, will pregnant women not be allowed to use computers because of dangerous magnetic fields?!?
Anyway, it seems that this will be released in "several years", just about the same time as quantum computers and holographic storage!! What fun we'll have then! And we'll prolly have the tech to graft all this crap into our bodies, for those of us that like to be cut up.
One day, they will have so many frivolous patents that they could start a museum for them. Perhaps when they successfully patent using images of products on web pages to help them sell, some other rich corp will take notice and take action to get all those patents invalidated.
OK this is slightly offtopic, but I wondered how many Japanese users there were here.
Have you noticed on English Windows that all MS programs stuff up JIS/EUC encodings when you try to copy them to the clipboard? You end up with ?????????? when you do a paste.
NS was the only program you could read Japanese on AND copy text off. I wondered if anybody knew a fix for the IE bugs, since I have to use outlook express to collect my mail from many pop accounts. (which NS doesn't seem to want to implement)
We get paid for 37.5 hrs a week, altho the standard is to work 40hrs/wk. On the other hand, we get paid to go on training courses every now and then, which is kinda where the unpaid hours come from. Think about it. Most IT ppl like their jobs, plus we get paid when we go on a week long course on whatever development tools we need to learn. The company also pays the few K for the course. I'm sure hamburger flippers don't get any of this.
Great as VA Linux may be,/. will no longer be a tech news site, but a tech news site owned by a Linux company.
How will this affect traditional media's perception of the stuff said here? How will this affect the level of mindless MS (or other evil of the day) bashing? Will the acquisition legitimize it in the eyes of some ppl?
With threshold set to 3, I still get to read a good number of crappy posts where some newbie feels like they have to put in some MS or Big Corp bashing to be accepted or maybe 'cool'.
Everyone has to spell Good Thing with initial caps and maybe add a '(TM)' after it, everyone puts in an IANAL in their post somewhere.
Gone are the days when we'd have the threshold set to 2 and only have a couple dozen good posts with no crap or ppl speaking about things they don't know about. It's getting durned annoying, and I can see some of the others think so too.
What would be good is if the highest threshold could be increased, then I could set my threshold up a bit too, and maybe get rid of some of the noise. And no more of this auto +2 for some ppl just because they used to post good stuff.
That may make sense for things like MS that release their products less than once a year, but it doesn't make sense for most shareware/freeware writers.
Some people have releases every one or two months. If we went the year versioning, would we have 2000.1, 2000.2 then?
And as other posts have pointed out, Office 2000 gets released before 2000, while Win2000 gets released after. If you think about it, it's not year versioning at all, just big number versioning, which just happened to coincide with our years...
There is no mention of religious leaders in the article. Anyway, why do so many people think religious leaders are all morally superior to any other human being in the world?
If you think about it, there are so many different religions in the world, that you would end up with many different opinions from different religious 'leaders' on what is 'right' and 'wrong' to do. Even within the same religion, you would still get many differing opinions.
The last thing we want is for some 'leader' to use their status to advance their own goals. Or we might start another holy war.
If I understand this correctly, they are simply recording MP3,RA,etc onto MD?
Anyone can plug the output from their sound cards into the input of any portable recording device. The only 'new' thing I see with this is that they have some of the playlist editing capabilities built into a PC program.
Most MD players with recording capabilities can do the same anyway.
Another thing to note is that you are converting from the lossy MP3 audio model to the also lossy but different MD audio model. I would assume this would lead to sound quality slightly below the original MP3s.
Actually, seeing as IE security holes get published so often, the average user is probably more security conscious when using IE than NS. Also, at least IE attempts to patch their bugs (maybe?).
NS for some reason keeps taking down my kernel32 on Win98. Argh!! All I want now, is for IE to allow separators in their links, or better still, to use a bookmarks file rather than a folder full of.url shortcuts. I don't like being limited to legal filenames when naming my 'favorites'.
Maybe we could get a group of programmers together to copy NS interface and use the IE engine? Not like NeoPlanet, all it does is skins skins skins. The main brower on NP has a 'special' toolbar which is different from all other browser windows? And it has the same favorites limitations as IE.
Doesn't some Palms have programmable infrared thingies. Remember that fuss about copying keyless car entry things a while back. You could probably use that to copy all your current remotes.
There are many uses for emotion control. Emotion control can be used as a substitute for drugs. Hallucinate on electricity!
Or, we can have a world full of infinitely happy people who don't feel like questioning authority, or we can implement the society in Brave New World without using time consuming subliminal programming!!
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I don't want to sound cynical, but the way I see it, NS crashes a lot (not saying it's their fault), and also NS3 didn't have CSS support. These are very important reasons to upgrade to NS4. NS4 is pretty buggy, so everyone keeps updating to the latest bit of NS4, hoping it's a bit better (that's what I used to do).
Now, IE4 works fine, and has lots of patches from MS whenever a new bug is found. It is in my experience quite stable. IE5 adds a bit to that, but since IE4 is already fine, many people may not have a reason to upgrade to IE5. Anyway, it is relatively painless to patch/update (except for the large SP every now and then).
I still use NS, despite crashes, because I like the interface better. However, when I use IE for sites that crash NS (sometimes on purpose), I don't mind whether I am using 4 or 5, they both work fine.
NS updates are huge. The NS4.0x series went up to 4.08, the 4.5 series is at 4.7. That's 13MB for each update for the smallest version. Personally, I can hardly tell any difference in each NS update, and I don't find it any less crashy. I'm not even going to get 4.7 at 15MB+, since comments posted here earlier seem to indicate it's just about the same as before, except heavier.
I'm not going to update NS until mozilla is finished and well tested for a while. I really am sick of 13MB updates with no "what's fixed" info.
You know, the most frequently used letters/words/etc will be different for every language, of course. In addition to that, the words programmers are likely to use are vastly different to what consumers typing a letter would use. In that sense, someone should come out and design a keyboard layout for programmers using say c++/java/whatever language you like...
eg. Dvorak has thrown our frequently used {} braces to where the -= are in qwerty. For C/C++ programmers, these keys may be better off somewhere on the home row!
What we really need is or a group to start now and really design superior keyboard layout. qwerty may be old, but dvorak isn't so young either. Our needs are obviously different now with the level of computing in the world.
I have just started using the dvorak layout today and here are some observations:
1. My right hand is being used more than usual, especially my little finger. Maybe I'm just not used to it, but it's actually getting a bit tired.
2. I am typing lots of groups of letters with one hand. This doesn't feel good at all. With qwerty, you are more likely to type each letter with the alternate hand, which feels much better on your hands.
3. It is not hard at all to learn dvorak. After a few hours, I am not up to my old typing speed, but I am well on the way. I cannot see how retraining could be much of a barrier. Of course, there will always be some users who will resist any training and make it take longer than it should.
4. The s key is located where the ; is in qwerty. I am using my little finger about 50 times normal. My hand is starting to hurt whenever I type an s. Hopefully this will go away once I get used to the layout.
5. Our beloved shortcut keys are now all over the place. The Ctrl-z,x,c,v used to be conveniently located in sequence, now they're in locations/,b,i,. - does any dvorak user have a solution to this? I don't want to remap every program's shortcut keys. What about passwords? I remember my passwords by key locations, not what they actually are...
6. WinNT's keyboard remapping doesn't work in real time. What I mean is, if you open a program in qwerty mode, then switch to dvorak mode, the switch only affects the actual program in the foreground. This is especially annoying with sending mail in ms exchange. I change to dvorak, then move to the next field, and it's in qwerty! IE, I have to switch to dvorak in every text field ?!?! Maybe those fancy $300+ switchy keyboards are the way to go. (but they're $300+)
Nop NS doesn't work for me either. Crashes all the time, etc. The only reason I still use it is because IE's bookmarks are totally stuffed, they are 4kb files, their sorting stuffs up if you move them around in explorer, you can't use separators, you can't use special chars etc etc.
I'd be happy with NS3.01 if it had CSS support! Right now I use NS for most stuff, and IE for mail etc, cuz NS doesn't want to support multiple pop accounts. I still use NS mail, because that's where I keep subscriptions, so I don't have to copy urls over from outlook X.
Right now, I have NS open, and a "ns crash" box hidden in the corner, because when you press close, it just pops up another crash message. I can't even open the close prog. dialog to kill that thing...
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It's also being about easy to learn. Some things just shouldn't be made intuitive for the sake of it, eg. would you want a user to have to use a photocopier icon to copy files? This would obviously be very annoying. And some people mentioned the dragging files to a bin. Well, that's probably intuitive. But is it good? In the Mac, you have to drag disks to the trash to eject them. But users say they don't want to delete the disk! And in windows, how many of you actually do the drag and drop? The delete key is much more convenient.
Sometimes, it's ok as long as it is easy to learn, and once you have been shown once, it is easy and painless to do it again, even hundreds of times. Like Ctrl-Alt-Del. It's not intuitive. But once someone is shown once, they will be using it every day afterwards without giving it much thought.
Here's a fun UI site http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.htm
Here's the link to a file about memory cards and exporting. It's dated 3/3/00
If anyone's into reading PDF files, go ahead.
http://www.scei.co.jp/corp/pdf/000303.pdf
It's prolly in Japanese too.
Why do these 'professional' web designers need to add all this fancy 'tables' (oh wow) to feel useful? a
tag would have worked just as well.
When they 'invented' Win95, they were given a lot of crap for having shortcuts that they have instead of sym or hard links in unix, macs, os/2 or whatever.
.ignore file or something?
They retorted that symlinks are evil and hard and bad for newbies, easy to make mistakes on, etc. So now, they decide to do the same thing, <I>Automatically!</I>, behind the users back, and also call it an innovation?!
It's not a bad thing to add to windows, but automatically... Is this like every time I create/alter a file, it will scan thru all network storage areas to see if there are any identical bitstreams? Or will it be like incremental garbage collection for hard disks?
What if I wanted to store multiple copies of a file to protect against bad sectors, because I'm don't have a proper backup system? That won't work anymore. Unless we set up some
I hope they don't make a wizard for it ^_^;;
But if you were making this as a backup on a different disk?
You would make a backup as usual. Then your original disk crashes. But don't worry, you had a backup on your 2nd disk right? Nope, it got turned into a symbolic link???
Maybe we'll end up having to define complex rules on when to auto-sym-link and when not to... And it'll default to auto, and newbies will be caught out.
One day, you'll have mp3 stored in stuff inside you, and the RIAA will be lobbying to encrypt your brain cell functions so that you can't listen to a song on a radio then "remember" it without paying them ^_^;;
That will be a fun day. Or maybe they'll implement that Intel display encryption. They can filter what you see thru your eyes! No more looking at dirty pictures ^_^
This seems like an article that has many ifs and maybes but very little information. "Up to X times better" etc, but where's the guarantee that by the time they're released that they will even be equal to what we have by then?
That aside, I wonder how much energy it takes to switch these magnetic fields. And since magnetic fields I believe are infinitely reaching, how interference will affect the miniturisation of this stuff?
Also, will pregnant women not be allowed to use computers because of dangerous magnetic fields?!?
Anyway, it seems that this will be released in "several years", just about the same time as quantum computers and holographic storage!! What fun we'll have then! And we'll prolly have the tech to graft all this crap into our bodies, for those of us that like to be cut up.
One day, they will have so many frivolous patents that they could start a museum for them. Perhaps when they successfully patent using images of products on web pages to help them sell, some other rich corp will take notice and take action to get all those patents invalidated.
OK this is slightly offtopic, but I wondered how many Japanese users there were here.
Have you noticed on English Windows that all MS programs stuff up JIS/EUC encodings when you try to copy them to the clipboard? You end up with ?????????? when you do a paste.
NS was the only program you could read Japanese on AND copy text off. I wondered if anybody knew a fix for the IE bugs, since I have to use outlook express to collect my mail from many pop accounts. (which NS doesn't seem to want to implement)
Yeah, and some of their articles have been repeats from way back. It seems like whoever's in charge is still on holiday...
We get paid for 37.5 hrs a week, altho the standard is to work 40hrs /wk. On the other hand, we get paid to go on training courses every now and then, which is kinda where the unpaid hours come from. Think about it. Most IT ppl like their jobs, plus we get paid when we go on a week long course on whatever development tools we need to learn. The company also pays the few K for the course. I'm sure hamburger flippers don't get any of this.
Great as VA Linux may be, /. will no longer be a tech news site, but a tech news site owned by a Linux company.
How will this affect traditional media's perception of the stuff said here? How will this affect the level of mindless MS (or other evil of the day) bashing? Will the acquisition legitimize it in the eyes of some ppl?
With threshold set to 3, I still get to read a good number of crappy posts where some newbie feels like they have to put in some MS or Big Corp bashing to be accepted or maybe 'cool'.
Everyone has to spell Good Thing with initial caps and maybe add a '(TM)' after it, everyone puts in an IANAL in their post somewhere.
Gone are the days when we'd have the threshold set to 2 and only have a couple dozen good posts with no crap or ppl speaking about things they don't know about. It's getting durned annoying, and I can see some of the others think so too.
What would be good is if the highest threshold could be increased, then I could set my threshold up a bit too, and maybe get rid of some of the noise. And no more of this auto +2 for some ppl just because they used to post good stuff.
That may make sense for things like MS that release their products less than once a year, but it doesn't make sense for most shareware/freeware writers.
Some people have releases every one or two months. If we went the year versioning, would we have 2000.1, 2000.2 then?
And as other posts have pointed out, Office 2000 gets released before 2000, while Win2000 gets released after. If you think about it, it's not year versioning at all, just big number versioning, which just happened to coincide with our years...
There is no mention of religious leaders in the article. Anyway, why do so many people think religious leaders are all morally superior to any other human being in the world?
If you think about it, there are so many different religions in the world, that you would end up with many different opinions from different religious 'leaders' on what is 'right' and 'wrong' to do. Even within the same religion, you would still get many differing opinions.
The last thing we want is for some 'leader' to use their status to advance their own goals. Or we might start another holy war.
If I understand this correctly, they are simply recording MP3,RA,etc onto MD?
Anyone can plug the output from their sound cards into the input of any portable recording device. The only 'new' thing I see with this is that they have some of the playlist editing capabilities built into a PC program.
Most MD players with recording capabilities can do the same anyway.
Another thing to note is that you are converting from the lossy MP3 audio model to the also lossy but different MD audio model. I would assume this would lead to sound quality slightly below the original MP3s.
Actually, seeing as IE security holes get published so often, the average user is probably more security conscious when using IE than NS. Also, at least IE attempts to patch their bugs (maybe?).
.url shortcuts. I don't like being limited to legal filenames when naming my 'favorites'.
NS for some reason keeps taking down my kernel32 on Win98. Argh!! All I want now, is for IE to allow separators in their links, or better still, to use a bookmarks file rather than a folder full of
Maybe we could get a group of programmers together to copy NS interface and use the IE engine? Not like NeoPlanet, all it does is skins skins skins. The main brower on NP has a 'special' toolbar which is different from all other browser windows? And it has the same favorites limitations as IE.
So, anyone up for it?
They stumbled across 4 bytes that Xing left lying around. They put it thru a DVD and found it worked. How is that illegal?
MS has had trouble in court before. I don't believe this will have much of an impact on them.
When someone's ready to impose a punishment, then I'll believe it.
Doesn't some Palms have programmable infrared thingies. Remember that fuss about copying keyless car entry things a while back. You could probably use that to copy all your current remotes.
There are many uses for emotion control. Emotion control can be used as a substitute for drugs. Hallucinate on electricity!
Or, we can have a world full of infinitely happy people who don't feel like questioning authority, or we can implement the society in Brave New World without using time consuming subliminal programming!!
I don't want to sound cynical, but the way I see it, NS crashes a lot (not saying it's their fault), and also NS3 didn't have CSS support. These are very important reasons to upgrade to NS4. NS4 is pretty buggy, so everyone keeps updating to the latest bit of NS4, hoping it's a bit better (that's what I used to do).
Now, IE4 works fine, and has lots of patches from MS whenever a new bug is found. It is in my experience quite stable. IE5 adds a bit to that, but since IE4 is already fine, many people may not have a reason to upgrade to IE5. Anyway, it is relatively painless to patch/update (except for the large SP every now and then).
I still use NS, despite crashes, because I like the interface better. However, when I use IE for sites that crash NS (sometimes on purpose), I don't mind whether I am using 4 or 5, they both work fine.
NS updates are huge. The NS4.0x series went up to 4.08, the 4.5 series is at 4.7. That's 13MB for each update for the smallest version. Personally, I can hardly tell any difference in each NS update, and I don't find it any less crashy. I'm not even going to get 4.7 at 15MB+, since comments posted here earlier seem to indicate it's just about the same as before, except heavier.
I'm not going to update NS until mozilla is finished and well tested for a while. I really am sick of 13MB updates with no "what's fixed" info.
You know, the most frequently used letters/words/etc will be different for every language, of course. In addition to that, the words programmers are likely to use are vastly different to what consumers typing a letter would use. In that sense, someone should come out and design a keyboard layout for programmers using say c++/java/whatever language you like...
eg. Dvorak has thrown our frequently used {} braces to where the -= are in qwerty. For C/C++ programmers, these keys may be better off somewhere on the home row!
What we really need is or a group to start now and really design superior keyboard layout. qwerty may be old, but dvorak isn't so young either. Our needs are obviously different now with the level of computing in the world.
I have just started using the dvorak layout today and here are some observations:
/,b,i,. - does any dvorak user have a solution to this? I don't want to remap every program's shortcut keys. What about passwords? I remember my passwords by key locations, not what they actually are...
1. My right hand is being used more than usual, especially my little finger. Maybe I'm just not used to it, but it's actually getting a bit tired.
2. I am typing lots of groups of letters with one hand. This doesn't feel good at all. With qwerty, you are more likely to type each letter with the alternate hand, which feels much better on your hands.
3. It is not hard at all to learn dvorak. After a few hours, I am not up to my old typing speed, but I am well on the way. I cannot see how retraining could be much of a barrier. Of course, there will always be some users who will resist any training and make it take longer than it should.
4. The s key is located where the ; is in qwerty. I am using my little finger about 50 times normal. My hand is starting to hurt whenever I type an s. Hopefully this will go away once I get used to the layout.
5. Our beloved shortcut keys are now all over the place. The Ctrl-z,x,c,v used to be conveniently located in sequence, now they're in locations
6. WinNT's keyboard remapping doesn't work in real time. What I mean is, if you open a program in qwerty mode, then switch to dvorak mode, the switch only affects the actual program in the foreground. This is especially annoying with sending mail in ms exchange. I change to dvorak, then move to the next field, and it's in qwerty! IE, I have to switch to dvorak in every text field ?!?! Maybe those fancy $300+ switchy keyboards are the way to go. (but they're $300+)
Have a look at this
http://www.silitek.com/sk-6000.htm
It's not MS, it's great, it has a touchpad, and cost me the equivalent of $25US
There are lots of other non-ms natural keyboards out there, and most of them cost less than MS anyway.
Nop
NS doesn't work for me either. Crashes all the time, etc. The only reason I still use it is because IE's bookmarks are totally stuffed, they are 4kb files, their sorting stuffs up if you move them around in explorer, you can't use separators, you can't use special chars etc etc.
I'd be happy with NS3.01 if it had CSS support! Right now I use NS for most stuff, and IE for mail etc, cuz NS doesn't want to support multiple pop accounts. I still use NS mail, because that's where I keep subscriptions, so I don't have to copy urls over from outlook X.
Right now, I have NS open, and a "ns crash" box hidden in the corner, because when you press close, it just pops up another crash message. I can't even open the close prog. dialog to kill that thing...