I could not agree more. 2nd Ed. only got it half right. 3rd + just suck. What I don't understand is, why do these people keep lapping it up every time a new "edition" comes out? Old doesn't mean used up. First Edition AD&D was and remains the best, and when I play (rare as that is these days), I play what I call 1.5 edition.
I find it confusing too. My girlfriend is a gamer, and she uses gAIM, and sometimes I can't tell which "game" we're talking about.
I pronounce it "gee-aim" usually, and I type it as "gAIM" to specify more clearly what I'm talking about. I think the "g" stands for "gnome", so I would presume it's pronounced "gee-aim".
On the one hand, whatever works, right?
FreeBSD and Debian are in many ways similar.
On the other hand, apt can't be all that different from the package management tools FreeBSD offers.
You sound like you're reprimanding your friend because she dared to think outside the Linux box!
Personally, I run Windows, Linux and FreeBSD. I used to be a Linux zealot. Now, Linux sees use only for those times when I need to back up my FreeBSD partition. And Windows... well, you can't create Neverwinter Nights modules under Linux or FreeBSD.
In my experience, it's just easier to install and uninstall software under FreeBSD, and easier to maintain the system.
Who cares if Linux distros are losing out because they don't have "free" in their names? Linux is oretty well known by now. The question is, are *BSDs losing out because of people like you? There's room for Linux and FreeBSD.
Now the question is, are the not mature enough at those ages because they cannot be by natural fact, or is it because we have a different mindset now in regards to what comprises an adult, as opposed to what it was 100 years ago or more? I think it has a lot to do with the latter, myself.
I beg to differ. I am using gaim 0.71_4, and to the best of my knowledge, encryption has not been compiled in. I never passed that option at compile time. It worked fine, and still does. Maybe FreeBSD just rocks more than I thought.:)
I knew I wasn't experienced enough to. I run FreeBSD on my desktop (5.1 to boot!) and have for a couple months now. I love it. But I'm not so sure of myself that I put myself on a pedestal and write a review before being fully versed.
This review got several things screwy, and I don't agree with several of his statements (for instance, mailing lists are useless? They got me to where I am now).
I think he'd have done better to have the review privately checked for technical errors before publishing it. I think that it actually would turn some people off to FreeBSD to read it, who would actually enjoy using it if they tried.
Hey, this software is genuinely a pleasant surprise. I am so impressed that I'm going to buy it. And in the last three years, I have only bought three programs, all of them games.
Sure, I have OOo installed under FreeBSD. It works very well for my needs so far. But TextMaker is not only very impressive software, it's a great price, and I want to encourage this behavior. How can I lose by purchasing it? I get a surprisingly good word processor, and I show other companies that, yes, FreeBSD is a platform worth supporting. I win both ways. And at the same price as my last game purchase!
Just waiting on the next paycheck.
My desktop runs KDE on top of FreeBSD, and I can do everything I need to do. I can write books, track my finances, create and edit graphics, make data and music CDs, watch movies, surf the web (popup free) with tabbed browsing and split window browsing (Konqueror rocks! Why don't more people use it for web browsing?), e-mail, file sharing, play music, rip CDs, write software, play my favorite games... in short, everything I was trying to do under Windows and everything I was doing under Linux until I got fed up with trying to upgrade manually.
Just because you choose to use Gnome, which doesn't exactly have the most integrated office suite around... just because you can't drag and drop images on GIMP... doesn't mean it's not ready for the desktop.
The proof is in the pudding. Mom uses Linux for everything but printing, since her printer is older than dirt... and girlfriend does too, again except for printing, since her printer has no linux driver. Both of these ladies are typical computer users - clueless. And both of them use Linux instead of Windows because they can get more done with Linux than Windows. All they get with Windows is wierd problems. The only problem they have with Linux is printer support.
This stuff is ready for the desktop, with the possible exception of printer support. Those all-in-1 jobbies are a bitch.
My printer, by the way, is dead. I am not looking forward to replacing it.
By the way... I can copy things from OpenOffice Calc and Word to KOffice Calc and word and vice versa, no sweat.
And then there's always FreeBSD, with Ports. The original, and the best. *ducks*
Seriously, you can install something by typing
make install clean
and it will resolve and install all dependencies for you. I once installed KDE from ports by going to the GQView picture viewing program port and doing 'make install clean' when there was no GUI at all. It installed KDE, and X11 as well! How's that for dependency resolution with ease?
Any system that can build X11 and KDE from source as dependencies for something else - and make them work with NO intervention - that impresses me.
How hard is that? If it was installed from the port, you can do this:
cd/usr/ports make search key=ImageMagick
That will show you what the path to the port is. Then go to the proper directory and do a
make deinstall
Whoa, this is tricky stuff, I know. And of course it's not like it's documented in several places, right?
Your problem is just that you're used to doing things a different way. Better or worse has nothing to do with it. You're just not familiar with it.
I happen to think the Windows way of doing a lot of things is flat out bass-ackwards. I just find FreeBSD easier to deal with. Easier, even, than Linux.
Sure it's easy.
I have bought exactly one CD in the last 14 years. I bought it last May, as a gift for my mother's birthday. Why did I buy it?
1. I was given free access to a live concert, and the artist was really good. He's a Jazz musician. Jazz usually isn't what I listen to, but I liked it, and I knew mom would too.
2. The musician owned his own label. No middleman.
I have neither bought CDs nor downloaded music for a LONG time. Abuse me as a customer, and I can make your product lose sales. Not only mine, but those of everyone I know...
This is how business works when it's run by people who don't think. Shortsighted blindness to anything but profits, backed by enough power, produces this sort of crap.
The RIAA is stupid. I cannot have more than sheer scorn for this type of group. I myself quit buying CDs altogether because of their crap, years ago. I put my money where my mouth is.
I have a lot of CDs from back in the day, but I don't buy them anymore, and I advise everyone I know to avoid buying from labels backed by the RIAA.
In the end, the RIAA will discover who has the power. In the end, the customer is always right - because without the customer, you are dead as a business.
That they dare to sue their customers (and that's who they're suing, consumers of music) is the height of idiocy and arrogance. They could have probably increased their revenue by 1.5 to 2 times over had they embraced the new technology that Napster presented. But no. They're brain dead thugs, and they have only enough brain cells to see a threat, not a potential.
So in the end, they will fail. I cannot say how much they make me want to vomit.
Avoid labels backed by the RIAA. Stop feeding the bully. Start paying the artists for their work, not the brute that has forced the artists into prostitution.
The problem with big business is that it loses sight of it's feet - no matter what, the customer is what keeps it standing.
FreeBSD is what I turned to as well, for the reason that even on Mandrake, I was dealing with Dependency Hell almost as soon as I wanted to install software that didn't come prepackaged for it.
What's wrong with FreeBSD for Grandma? Set it up for her, and she's all set. Just install a display manager so it gives a graphical login screen on bootup. How would it be that much different than Linux Mandrake in that regard?
Yeah, wow... I was really getting to be curious what little old me was doing to interest Microsoft so much that they all of a sudden out of the blue began sending me patches and patches and more patches... filling up and locking up my mailbox...
After all... I run FreeBSD!
(It also sounded suspiciously caring - not a well known trait for Microsoft.)
Yeah, and last I saw, Yahoo broke their own Linux IM client!
Why should I have to have several IM clients open when gAIM does everything I need? Screw these "My way or the highway" types who are doing this sort of crap with their IM clients.
For the same reasons you switched to Debian, but lament the age of the packages, I switched to FreeBSD. Not only is it stabe as hell, but administration is easier and the nice thig is, I have stability and cutting edge apps galore. I decided it was going to be Debian or Slack when I got frustrated with Mandrake, and then realized... why settle for "close to UNIX when I can have the real thing?"
Just my 0.02
Now if only FreeBSD had something along these lines for an installer. I mean, installing FreeBSD isn't hard (once you've done it 10 or 20 times, and if you know your hardware, and understand distribution sets and so on), and it's easier to install than Debian probably, but I bet FreeBSD would certainly benefit from having a bootable version that you could just install fully configured. I know there's Freesbie, (freesbie.org) which is a bootable FreeBSD, but they don't say anything about a disk dump install.
My old 2-year college has CD booting disabled and the BIOS pw protected. I tried Knoppix, but not even the boot floppy would work. That was disabled too. So I was forced to fail a course because I could not get MS-Word XP to read a.RTF file (the final term paper) correctly... and that auto-save-as-it-crashes feature is sweet, it overwrote the thing with garbage. Way to go, Microsoft.
Reason #3,117 why I don't use Microsoft products if I can at all help it.
Back on topic, I would have been easily able to print the same document exactly as it was supposed to be under Knoppix...
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I could not agree more. 2nd Ed. only got it half right. 3rd + just suck. What I don't understand is, why do these people keep lapping it up every time a new "edition" comes out? Old doesn't mean used up. First Edition AD&D was and remains the best, and when I play (rare as that is these days), I play what I call 1.5 edition.
I find it confusing too. My girlfriend is a gamer, and she uses gAIM, and sometimes I can't tell which "game" we're talking about.
I pronounce it "gee-aim" usually, and I type it as "gAIM" to specify more clearly what I'm talking about. I think the "g" stands for "gnome", so I would presume it's pronounced "gee-aim".
Just talking.
On the one hand, whatever works, right? FreeBSD and Debian are in many ways similar. On the other hand, apt can't be all that different from the package management tools FreeBSD offers. You sound like you're reprimanding your friend because she dared to think outside the Linux box! Personally, I run Windows, Linux and FreeBSD. I used to be a Linux zealot. Now, Linux sees use only for those times when I need to back up my FreeBSD partition. And Windows... well, you can't create Neverwinter Nights modules under Linux or FreeBSD. In my experience, it's just easier to install and uninstall software under FreeBSD, and easier to maintain the system. Who cares if Linux distros are losing out because they don't have "free" in their names? Linux is oretty well known by now. The question is, are *BSDs losing out because of people like you? There's room for Linux and FreeBSD.
Now the question is, are the not mature enough at those ages because they cannot be by natural fact, or is it because we have a different mindset now in regards to what comprises an adult, as opposed to what it was 100 years ago or more? I think it has a lot to do with the latter, myself.
If I recall correctly, pure (or even highly concentrated) H2O2 is unstable, and thus becomes explosive...
Is it just possible that the laser turned the puddle into highly enough conentrated hydrogen peroxide to cause it to explode?
Think what you like. I disagree.
I beg to differ. I am using gaim 0.71_4, and to the best of my knowledge, encryption has not been compiled in. I never passed that option at compile time. It worked fine, and still does. Maybe FreeBSD just rocks more than I thought. :)
I knew I wasn't experienced enough to. I run FreeBSD on my desktop (5.1 to boot!) and have for a couple months now. I love it. But I'm not so sure of myself that I put myself on a pedestal and write a review before being fully versed.
This review got several things screwy, and I don't agree with several of his statements (for instance, mailing lists are useless? They got me to where I am now).
I think he'd have done better to have the review privately checked for technical errors before publishing it. I think that it actually would turn some people off to FreeBSD to read it, who would actually enjoy using it if they tried.
Microsoft is a national security risk to any government other than the united states.
Correction: Microsoft is a national security risk to every government including the united states.
gAIM 0.71_4 is still working fine. I just chatted with a friend on it a few hours ago.
Hey, this software is genuinely a pleasant surprise. I am so impressed that I'm going to buy it. And in the last three years, I have only bought three programs, all of them games. Sure, I have OOo installed under FreeBSD. It works very well for my needs so far. But TextMaker is not only very impressive software, it's a great price, and I want to encourage this behavior. How can I lose by purchasing it? I get a surprisingly good word processor, and I show other companies that, yes, FreeBSD is a platform worth supporting. I win both ways. And at the same price as my last game purchase! Just waiting on the next paycheck.
My desktop runs KDE on top of FreeBSD, and I can do everything I need to do. I can write books, track my finances, create and edit graphics, make data and music CDs, watch movies, surf the web (popup free) with tabbed browsing and split window browsing (Konqueror rocks! Why don't more people use it for web browsing?), e-mail, file sharing, play music, rip CDs, write software, play my favorite games... in short, everything I was trying to do under Windows and everything I was doing under Linux until I got fed up with trying to upgrade manually.
Just because you choose to use Gnome, which doesn't exactly have the most integrated office suite around... just because you can't drag and drop images on GIMP... doesn't mean it's not ready for the desktop.
The proof is in the pudding. Mom uses Linux for everything but printing, since her printer is older than dirt... and girlfriend does too, again except for printing, since her printer has no linux driver. Both of these ladies are typical computer users - clueless. And both of them use Linux instead of Windows because they can get more done with Linux than Windows. All they get with Windows is wierd problems. The only problem they have with Linux is printer support.
This stuff is ready for the desktop, with the possible exception of printer support. Those all-in-1 jobbies are a bitch.
My printer, by the way, is dead. I am not looking forward to replacing it.
By the way... I can copy things from OpenOffice Calc and Word to KOffice Calc and word and vice versa, no sweat.
Try Knoppix. If you like it... just use the install.
And then there's always FreeBSD, with Ports. The original, and the best. *ducks* Seriously, you can install something by typing make install clean and it will resolve and install all dependencies for you. I once installed KDE from ports by going to the GQView picture viewing program port and doing 'make install clean' when there was no GUI at all. It installed KDE, and X11 as well! How's that for dependency resolution with ease? Any system that can build X11 and KDE from source as dependencies for something else - and make them work with NO intervention - that impresses me.
Under FreeBSD, you can remove it by typing:
/var/db/pkg && pkg_delete ImageMagick_5.5.7.11_1
/usr/ports
cd
(or whatever version you have.)
How hard is that? If it was installed from the port, you can do this:
cd
make search key=ImageMagick
That will show you what the path to the port is. Then go to the proper directory and do a
make deinstall
Whoa, this is tricky stuff, I know. And of course it's not like it's documented in several places, right?
Your problem is just that you're used to doing things a different way. Better or worse has nothing to do with it. You're just not familiar with it.
I happen to think the Windows way of doing a lot of things is flat out bass-ackwards. I just find FreeBSD easier to deal with. Easier, even, than Linux.
To each their own.
Sure it's easy. I have bought exactly one CD in the last 14 years. I bought it last May, as a gift for my mother's birthday. Why did I buy it? 1. I was given free access to a live concert, and the artist was really good. He's a Jazz musician. Jazz usually isn't what I listen to, but I liked it, and I knew mom would too. 2. The musician owned his own label. No middleman. I have neither bought CDs nor downloaded music for a LONG time. Abuse me as a customer, and I can make your product lose sales. Not only mine, but those of everyone I know...
This is how business works when it's run by people who don't think. Shortsighted blindness to anything but profits, backed by enough power, produces this sort of crap.
The RIAA is stupid. I cannot have more than sheer scorn for this type of group. I myself quit buying CDs altogether because of their crap, years ago. I put my money where my mouth is.
I have a lot of CDs from back in the day, but I don't buy them anymore, and I advise everyone I know to avoid buying from labels backed by the RIAA.
In the end, the RIAA will discover who has the power. In the end, the customer is always right - because without the customer, you are dead as a business.
That they dare to sue their customers (and that's who they're suing, consumers of music) is the height of idiocy and arrogance. They could have probably increased their revenue by 1.5 to 2 times over had they embraced the new technology that Napster presented. But no. They're brain dead thugs, and they have only enough brain cells to see a threat, not a potential.
So in the end, they will fail. I cannot say how much they make me want to vomit.
Avoid labels backed by the RIAA. Stop feeding the bully. Start paying the artists for their work, not the brute that has forced the artists into prostitution.
The problem with big business is that it loses sight of it's feet - no matter what, the customer is what keeps it standing.
Er, wouldn't the speed of the pulse effectively make movements not an issue? Just as a high shutter speed on a camera would "stop" motion?
FreeBSD is what I turned to as well, for the reason that even on Mandrake, I was dealing with Dependency Hell almost as soon as I wanted to install software that didn't come prepackaged for it.
What's wrong with FreeBSD for Grandma? Set it up for her, and she's all set. Just install a display manager so it gives a graphical login screen on bootup. How would it be that much different than Linux Mandrake in that regard?
Yeah, wow... I was really getting to be curious what little old me was doing to interest Microsoft so much that they all of a sudden out of the blue began sending me patches and patches and more patches... filling up and locking up my mailbox...
After all... I run FreeBSD!
(It also sounded suspiciously caring - not a well known trait for Microsoft.)
Yeah, and last I saw, Yahoo broke their own Linux IM client!
Why should I have to have several IM clients open when gAIM does everything I need? Screw these "My way or the highway" types who are doing this sort of crap with their IM clients.
Only if the admins don't lock you into using Windows... bios passwords are a terrible thing.
For the same reasons you switched to Debian, but lament the age of the packages, I switched to FreeBSD. Not only is it stabe as hell, but administration is easier and the nice thig is, I have stability and cutting edge apps galore. I decided it was going to be Debian or Slack when I got frustrated with Mandrake, and then realized... why settle for "close to UNIX when I can have the real thing?" Just my 0.02
Now if only FreeBSD had something along these lines for an installer. I mean, installing FreeBSD isn't hard (once you've done it 10 or 20 times, and if you know your hardware, and understand distribution sets and so on), and it's easier to install than Debian probably, but I bet FreeBSD would certainly benefit from having a bootable version that you could just install fully configured. I know there's Freesbie, (freesbie.org) which is a bootable FreeBSD, but they don't say anything about a disk dump install.
My old 2-year college has CD booting disabled and the BIOS pw protected. I tried Knoppix, but not even the boot floppy would work. That was disabled too. So I was forced to fail a course because I could not get MS-Word XP to read a .RTF file (the final term paper) correctly... and that auto-save-as-it-crashes feature is sweet, it overwrote the thing with garbage. Way to go, Microsoft.
Reason #3,117 why I don't use Microsoft products if I can at all help it.
Back on topic, I would have been easily able to print the same document exactly as it was supposed to be under Knoppix...