Spot on, absoloutely right. I own a web design company and all of our developers sign non disclosure agreements. Now I take a fairly loose approach on it (that and deadlines; better late than wrong, M$ taught me that much) - if they want to use what they learned within my company while working on different projects either on their own time or moonlighting, thats usually okay with me, NDA notwithstanding.
As long as it doesn't compete with the projects they worked on. We pay them, we did the market research to determine the project had demand, we put the sales force out on the road and invested in advertising, we even came up with the ideas in the first place, so some nimrod doesn't have the right to take our hard work and sashay off to another company in competition. There is a reason the developers and designers are paid, and not them paying us.
And while America is doing slightly worse at 5.0%, some fun facts about those stats...
Although the number of jobs in June exceeded its level at the start of the recession, this is really an indication of how sluggish the jobs recovery has been. In June 2005, the U.S. economy had 1,026,000 (or 0.8 percent) more jobs than it had in March 2001, when the recession began. In every previous recession since World War II the number of jobs at this point in the economic recovery was at least 4.9 percent higher than it was at the beginning of the recession.
May was the 32 nd straight month in which more than one out of every five unemployed workers had been looking for work for more than six months, the longest such period on record. June saw some improvement, with the share of long-term unemployed dropping by 2.3 percentage-points to 17.8 percent. However, such a high long-term unemployment level is unusual when the unemployment rate is low; historically, 5 percent unemployment rates have been accompanied by average long-term jobless rates of 10.7 percent.
Average hourly wages were 2.7 percent higher in June 2005 than in June 2004. But, since the inflation rate was 2.8 percent between May 2004 and May 2005, inflation-adjusted wages actually fell during the past year.
In observation of all these shitty phrases and acronyms, I've decided to coin another phrase that can be used for "blog" called: comment-log or CLOG for short. What users do is labor over documenting their inconsequential lives, trivializing man's greatest invention, the microprocessor, until the Internet is so CLOGGED that commerce comes to a screeching halt. Anyone contributing to the congestion would be known as a CLOGGER. I hate blogs.
Your initial inability to grasp the point, instead flying off on what can best be described as a wild tangent, moving on to accusations of conspiracy theories, and finishing up with a point by point analysis of your strawman take on the whole situation (with aspirations to verbosity), merely reinforce my position, which is that its not, indeed, worth my time to explain. That its worth my time to explain why I won't explain can probably be called feeding the trolls, which I think is a habit I should break.
Rather than see an implicit threat, why don't you think about the implicit statement that if you haven't figured for yourself out why the dhs should not be accepted, its most likely that no amount of painstaking, crayon-drawing-aided explanations are going to help you to understand, so why bother trying?
Wooo thats clever... an utter nightmare to implement diplomatically but think about it, who needs a data haven when everyone's machine is one? I like it.
And now we're seeing the end result of American policy over tha last few years. The stock response to criticism was, well so what, we can nuke you, haw haw. Now we have a lot of panicky people claiming some kind of droit de seigneur over the internet, and the rest of the world snipping as many links to the US as possible, as quickly as possible. You reap what you sow fellas, and its harvest time...
I don't think the UN is going to be able to do that.
Gee Dubyaw will manage it all by himself, don't worry. And believe me when I say, its only just getting started. How the hell do you turn the vast amount of international goodwill after 9-11 into the current state of mounting bad feeling towards the US? I'm not sure, but monkey man and his fundie cronies appear to have pulled it off. Good job on the voting there.
This is getting tiresome. The amount of incredibly bigoted and anti-anywhere-but-america comments in this story defies belief. Really folks, here's a hint: Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.
There are plenty of lackwits claiming the US invented the internet. To be accurate, DARPA and the first packet switching network were invented in America. HTTP and the WWW were invented in Europe by the efforts of quite a few people, in particular Tim Berners-Lee. I also see plenty of "freedom belongs to the US, thats where the internet should stay" sort of fat rolling down lots of chins.
Newsflash boys and girls, the american version of freedom including CNN, regular brainwashing techniques including singing hail to the flag every morning before school, and generally drinking the kool-aid of whatever administration seems to be in power at the time does not constitute freedom. Well maybe it does to you, but not to most others. First amendment? I'll take the universal declaration of human rights over this any day thanks. And lets not forget, this is the country where a majority of the youth (the youth, mind you) want more government control of the press. Nice.
The rest of the world is making noises about root servers because they see the inward looking imperial monstrosity the america is becoming and they want to get the hell away as fast as possible. You say you own the internet... well here's the acid test:
Turn it off.
Go for it, I double dragon dare you. See how many hours it takes for the rest of the world to reconfigure to new servers. Then america will have ameriweb, and the rest of the world will have the world wide web. Thats what you want, isn't it? Maybe I was wrong when I said hours, try minutes. And the same thing will happen when the inevitable occurs, and one of your bought and paid for politicians decides to knock someone off the web that they don't want to be heard.
And the UN, well, the UN has its own problems. Its interesting to see that one of the main sponsors of the UN is america, and cleaning up after the messes america leaves is partly the job of the UN. So we have an organisation that with one hand is trying to fix things, and on the other hand has one of its primary sponsors breaking them. I'm not sure whether its PR or just the typical madness of america, but is it any wonder the UN is fairly ineffectual, with that kind of schizophrenic foundation?
I even saw some other luminary posting up that the american record in Iraq is far better than the UN record in the Congo. I don't even know where to begin with this level of ignorance. The UN didn't invade the Congo, and if there were US troops raping Iraqi women, do you think you would ever, ever hear about it? Gotta love that freedom of speech there. Also lets not forget that the US reconstruction efforts in Iraq are, to put it mildly, ineffectual. I saw a link to it on BBC the last day but I really couldn't be bothered to look it up. Obviously enough the buffoon's UID was wyatt earp.
So should the UN have control over the internet? Of course not, but I'd say the reason for that is america, not in spite of america. If the internet is ever to have a future in real freedom (a word I am beginning to dislike almost as much as terrorism, for the same reason, some jackass is always braying it loudly to back up his or her skewed point of view; isn't that nice now, americans has polluted the value of the word freedom to make it practically worthless) it needs its very own independant body to look after it, not international, but transnational. A few words from the hackers manifesto come to mind here...
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the
beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying
for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and
you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek
after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color,
without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
Cheers mate, you just won me 10 bucks I had bet with a friend that one of the first three comments on slashdot about this story would say exactly what you just said. Wahu, I love this place.
And actually, while we're on it, what the hell is with that website? Apparently it has got 3 billion hits in the last year - my arse it has. From the completely unusable interface to the "click on your screensaver" spyware adverts, to the nonesensical layout, I am seriously lost for what to say. Can anyone explain?
Good to know that hollywood is still serving as the educational stronghold of America. I mean, its not like they are promoting sensationalism in order to get your pulse racing, or focusing their talents on those elements of your psychological makeup designed to make you feel as though the world is against you and yours, and ultimate victory will cure all ills?
They would never push your buttons like that... would they?
Of course, I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Feel free to tell me why I am.
Because there were once many nations in Europe at each others throats, and now there is a unifying body bringing them all together. Because once there were many seperate states in America, now there is the United States. Destructiveness is not inherent to human nature, and I will defend that statement vigorously. Following charismatic leaders is, however, in human nature, so the course of history has to a great extent to date depended on the speech making abilities of a limited number of people. If their speeches point to war, as they often did, then war it was.
The ends justifies the means around the world everyday, even in supposedly enlightened democracies (US, UK etc)
Ah so that explains why we have advanced biotech, medical and psychological research based on the torture and abuse of men and women here. Er, wait...
The question is whether you have a course of action which improves the lives of the Chinese citizens both short-term and long-term
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Perhaps, but that sentiment can be used to justify too much goose-stepping nonesense, and should be taken with the largest of salt pinches.
Russia tried both political and economic change at once and the results seems to be disasterous.
Indeed, it's odd that you should mention Russia, a fine example of end justifying means. We have a political revolution bringing a few to power in the name of the people, some decades later sweeping reforms in which millions lost their lives, and now, the end result to justify all those nasty, dirty means, Russia is a vibrant, thriving cultural centre, a vigorous and peaceful nation with everything going for it.
.....
The parallels between Russia and China are unmistakeable. You reap what you sow, and if your bright future is built on misery and slavery, well it might be a little tarnished. Or to put it another way, it might not, in fact, exist.
I think that if you ask most people in China today how things are going, they would reply that they are pleased by how much their lives are improving.
Yes, I bet even the ones that get knocks on their doors at midnight by the Chinese (secret?) police for subversion or just because the local chief didn't like their fashion sense are thrilled with China's progress. Or the thousands executed by the state annually. Its like the old comparison. Would you kill an innocent to secure peace and prosperity? Yes? What about a dozen? What about a million?
Machiavelli be damned, the end does not justify the means. The price is too high.
That remarkable. I mean think about it, thats like a prison, where all letters and packages are read and opened before delivery. A billion people in a prison...
The fact still remains that your shared trusted ultra 31337 root zone file won't actually be used.
And thats going to last right up to the day when Gee Dubyaw and his cronies decide to knock a site off the web for "national security" reasons. Then the entire world (besides the neocons and fundies) will switch to the uncompromised servers so quickly you won't see them for dust.
China at one point had an empire that stretched from the China Sea to the Danube River in Europe.
Firstly that map is of Mongol dominions, not Chinese, a whole different nation, and secondly the map is wrong, as the Khans never conquered China. Both Genghis Khan and his son suffered mysterious riding accidents when they tried to conquer China, despite having been "born in the saddle".
Slashdot Mirror
Thanks for the page hits...
Spot on, absoloutely right. I own a web design company and all of our developers sign non disclosure agreements. Now I take a fairly loose approach on it (that and deadlines; better late than wrong, M$ taught me that much) - if they want to use what they learned within my company while working on different projects either on their own time or moonlighting, thats usually okay with me, NDA notwithstanding.
As long as it doesn't compete with the projects they worked on. We pay them, we did the market research to determine the project had demand, we put the sales force out on the road and invested in advertising, we even came up with the ideas in the first place, so some nimrod doesn't have the right to take our hard work and sashay off to another company in competition. There is a reason the developers and designers are paid, and not them paying us.
In this case, I hope Google and Lee get hammered.
Eurozone unemployment is at 8.8% and Ireland has the lowest at 4.2%, as of May 2005. Its disgraceful tripe like the parent post that make slashdot what it is today.
And while America is doing slightly worse at 5.0%, some fun facts about those stats...
Although the number of jobs in June exceeded its level at the start of the recession, this is really an indication of how sluggish the jobs recovery has been. In June 2005, the U.S. economy had 1,026,000 (or 0.8 percent) more jobs than it had in March 2001, when the recession began. In every previous recession since World War II the number of jobs at this point in the economic recovery was at least 4.9 percent higher than it was at the beginning of the recession.
May was the 32 nd straight month in which more than one out of every five unemployed workers had been looking for work for more than six months, the longest such period on record. June saw some improvement, with the share of long-term unemployed dropping by 2.3 percentage-points to 17.8 percent. However, such a high long-term unemployment level is unusual when the unemployment rate is low; historically, 5 percent unemployment rates have been accompanied by average long-term jobless rates of 10.7 percent.
Average hourly wages were 2.7 percent higher in June 2005 than in June 2004. But, since the inflation rate was 2.8 percent between May 2004 and May 2005, inflation-adjusted wages actually fell during the past year.
Check your facts before you flame, troll.
The best web page in the universe is squarely in your corner, buddy. FTFA:
In observation of all these shitty phrases and acronyms, I've decided to coin another phrase that can be used for "blog" called: comment-log or CLOG for short. What users do is labor over documenting their inconsequential lives, trivializing man's greatest invention, the microprocessor, until the Internet is so CLOGGED that commerce comes to a screeching halt. Anyone contributing to the congestion would be known as a CLOGGER. I hate blogs.
Do you like taking it up the arrse as much as Tom Cruise does?
Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for Space above and Beyond on DVD.
Ask and ye shall receive...
Your initial inability to grasp the point, instead flying off on what can best be described as a wild tangent, moving on to accusations of conspiracy theories, and finishing up with a point by point analysis of your strawman take on the whole situation (with aspirations to verbosity), merely reinforce my position, which is that its not, indeed, worth my time to explain. That its worth my time to explain why I won't explain can probably be called feeding the trolls, which I think is a habit I should break.
Rather than see an implicit threat, why don't you think about the implicit statement that if you haven't figured for yourself out why the dhs should not be accepted, its most likely that no amount of painstaking, crayon-drawing-aided explanations are going to help you to understand, so why bother trying?
So that would make it not, in fact, free.
As opposed to what? Ignoring it?
If I need to tell you, you'll never know.
Is that you have accepted the existence of the DHS at all.
Wooo thats clever... an utter nightmare to implement diplomatically but think about it, who needs a data haven when everyone's machine is one? I like it.
And now we're seeing the end result of American policy over tha last few years. The stock response to criticism was, well so what, we can nuke you, haw haw. Now we have a lot of panicky people claiming some kind of droit de seigneur over the internet, and the rest of the world snipping as many links to the US as possible, as quickly as possible. You reap what you sow fellas, and its harvest time...
I don't think the UN is going to be able to do that.
Gee Dubyaw will manage it all by himself, don't worry. And believe me when I say, its only just getting started. How the hell do you turn the vast amount of international goodwill after 9-11 into the current state of mounting bad feeling towards the US? I'm not sure, but monkey man and his fundie cronies appear to have pulled it off. Good job on the voting there.
What do you want for nothing
Err, so where does my domain name registration fee go again?
This is getting tiresome. The amount of incredibly bigoted and anti-anywhere-but-america comments in this story defies belief. Really folks, here's a hint: Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.
There are plenty of lackwits claiming the US invented the internet. To be accurate, DARPA and the first packet switching network were invented in America. HTTP and the WWW were invented in Europe by the efforts of quite a few people, in particular Tim Berners-Lee. I also see plenty of "freedom belongs to the US, thats where the internet should stay" sort of fat rolling down lots of chins.
Newsflash boys and girls, the american version of freedom including CNN, regular brainwashing techniques including singing hail to the flag every morning before school, and generally drinking the kool-aid of whatever administration seems to be in power at the time does not constitute freedom. Well maybe it does to you, but not to most others. First amendment? I'll take the universal declaration of human rights over this any day thanks. And lets not forget, this is the country where a majority of the youth (the youth, mind you) want more government control of the press. Nice.
The rest of the world is making noises about root servers because they see the inward looking imperial monstrosity the america is becoming and they want to get the hell away as fast as possible. You say you own the internet... well here's the acid test:
Turn it off.
Go for it, I double dragon dare you. See how many hours it takes for the rest of the world to reconfigure to new servers. Then america will have ameriweb, and the rest of the world will have the world wide web. Thats what you want, isn't it? Maybe I was wrong when I said hours, try minutes. And the same thing will happen when the inevitable occurs, and one of your bought and paid for politicians decides to knock someone off the web that they don't want to be heard.
And the UN, well, the UN has its own problems. Its interesting to see that one of the main sponsors of the UN is america, and cleaning up after the messes america leaves is partly the job of the UN. So we have an organisation that with one hand is trying to fix things, and on the other hand has one of its primary sponsors breaking them. I'm not sure whether its PR or just the typical madness of america, but is it any wonder the UN is fairly ineffectual, with that kind of schizophrenic foundation?
I even saw some other luminary posting up that the american record in Iraq is far better than the UN record in the Congo. I don't even know where to begin with this level of ignorance. The UN didn't invade the Congo, and if there were US troops raping Iraqi women, do you think you would ever, ever hear about it? Gotta love that freedom of speech there. Also lets not forget that the US reconstruction efforts in Iraq are, to put it mildly, ineffectual. I saw a link to it on BBC the last day but I really couldn't be bothered to look it up. Obviously enough the buffoon's UID was wyatt earp.
So should the UN have control over the internet? Of course not, but I'd say the reason for that is america, not in spite of america. If the internet is ever to have a future in real freedom (a word I am beginning to dislike almost as much as terrorism, for the same reason, some jackass is always braying it loudly to back up his or her skewed point of view; isn't that nice now, americans has polluted the value of the word freedom to make it practically worthless) it needs its very own independant body to look after it, not international, but transnational. A few words from the hackers manifesto come to mind here...
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
Cheers mate, you just won me 10 bucks I had bet with a friend that one of the first three comments on slashdot about this story would say exactly what you just said. Wahu, I love this place.
And actually, while we're on it, what the hell is with that website? Apparently it has got 3 billion hits in the last year - my arse it has. From the completely unusable interface to the "click on your screensaver" spyware adverts, to the nonesensical layout, I am seriously lost for what to say. Can anyone explain?
To paraphrase that English movie
Wotta bleedin toilet.
Good to know that hollywood is still serving as the educational stronghold of America. I mean, its not like they are promoting sensationalism in order to get your pulse racing, or focusing their talents on those elements of your psychological makeup designed to make you feel as though the world is against you and yours, and ultimate victory will cure all ills?
They would never push your buttons like that... would they?
Of course, I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Feel free to tell me why I am.
Because there were once many nations in Europe at each others throats, and now there is a unifying body bringing them all together. Because once there were many seperate states in America, now there is the United States. Destructiveness is not inherent to human nature, and I will defend that statement vigorously. Following charismatic leaders is, however, in human nature, so the course of history has to a great extent to date depended on the speech making abilities of a limited number of people. If their speeches point to war, as they often did, then war it was.
Don't be so critical of your own species.
The ends justifies the means around the world everyday, even in supposedly enlightened democracies (US, UK etc)
Ah so that explains why we have advanced biotech, medical and psychological research based on the torture and abuse of men and women here. Er, wait...
The question is whether you have a course of action which improves the lives of the Chinese citizens both short-term and long-term
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Perhaps, but that sentiment can be used to justify too much goose-stepping nonesense, and should be taken with the largest of salt pinches.
Russia tried both political and economic change at once and the results seems to be disasterous.
Indeed, it's odd that you should mention Russia, a fine example of end justifying means. We have a political revolution bringing a few to power in the name of the people, some decades later sweeping reforms in which millions lost their lives, and now, the end result to justify all those nasty, dirty means, Russia is a vibrant, thriving cultural centre, a vigorous and peaceful nation with everything going for it.
.....
The parallels between Russia and China are unmistakeable. You reap what you sow, and if your bright future is built on misery and slavery, well it might be a little tarnished. Or to put it another way, it might not, in fact, exist.
I think that if you ask most people in China today how things are going, they would reply that they are pleased by how much their lives are improving.
Yes, I bet even the ones that get knocks on their doors at midnight by the Chinese (secret?) police for subversion or just because the local chief didn't like their fashion sense are thrilled with China's progress. Or the thousands executed by the state annually. Its like the old comparison. Would you kill an innocent to secure peace and prosperity? Yes? What about a dozen? What about a million?
Machiavelli be damned, the end does not justify the means. The price is too high.
That remarkable. I mean think about it, thats like a prison, where all letters and packages are read and opened before delivery. A billion people in a prison...
You just know this is gonna end in tears.
The fact still remains that your shared trusted ultra 31337 root zone file won't actually be used.
And thats going to last right up to the day when Gee Dubyaw and his cronies decide to knock a site off the web for "national security" reasons. Then the entire world (besides the neocons and fundies) will switch to the uncompromised servers so quickly you won't see them for dust.
Rarely do I see "potato watch" in a "pyramid power" story.
Lovin it.
China at one point had an empire that stretched from the China Sea to the Danube River in Europe.
Firstly that map is of Mongol dominions, not Chinese, a whole different nation, and secondly the map is wrong, as the Khans never conquered China. Both Genghis Khan and his son suffered mysterious riding accidents when they tried to conquer China, despite having been "born in the saddle".