Really what's the advantage here? You're giving up functionality and extra cash to pay for one of these things, and only gaining the clutter of an external PSU, while running parts hotter and less reliably than in a correctly designed case, and there are hundreds of them out there.
In essence it's making a PC worse, and paying more for the privilege, all for only one difference exteriorally which is the height of the box, as shuttles are every bit as wide as a normal PC and almost as long front to back. When all it's going to do is get books and other desk things stacked on top of it then there's not really any advantage?
From the letter: Accordingly, SCO requires written certification by your authorized representative under Para. 2.04 within 30 days of receipt of this letter. Such written certification must include statements that:
1. You are not running Linux binary code that was compiled from any version of Linux that contains our copyrighted application binary interface code ("ABI Code") specifically identified in the attached notification letter.
SCO is, in effect, attempting to use their claimed copyright (unproven and untested) over linux's header files as a way to say "If you use our UNIX, you may not use Linux at all" because, in effect, all Linux contains the code they allege is theirs.
It's a bit like GM finding a loophole in the invention of the wheel and sending out a letter to their customers, reminding them they are not allowed to own a Ford too.
I simply don't have the time. It's quite surprising too, how much antagonism I get from family members that I, who Knows Computer Stuff, won't come around for an evening to just fix a few little things. A third of the time it's a "little thing" that can be lived with, another third it's a little thing that can be fixed quickly, but the last third it's a little thing that requires much effort, much time, and occasionally a little money to fix. There's only so much Fixing Stuff I can get to do, and only so much 'training' people on the correct ways to use a computer and fix it themselves (yes thats the ideal solution, but it doesn't just take a 10 minute rundown to get that working in practice)
My sisters, my brother, my mother, stepfather, father, aunt, two uncles, a few cousins and about six friends all see me as "the computer guy" and call on me to fix things.
Do you people who know car mechanics intimately get the same kind of fixit requests from family? damn that'd shit me. Maybe I should go become an expert in astrophysics or some other shit my family don't do
You can be utterly certain that if some company came out with a Windows game where you had to sneak your character into houses and beat to a bloody pulp the families of anyone using Linux, then/. geeks would be up in arms complaining louder than anyone else.
Apple has announced hey? Despite not owning them, I remember when the press said apple has "announced" 68060 based macs. I remember when apple "announced" that their games machine was selling in the US market. I remember when they "announced" the release of a PPC 620 64-bit mac.
"announced" in quotes simply because the press want to get it right before anyone else, and throw guesses and suppositions around regarding beta or even non existent hardware.
Big spotlights on the ground shining up at the plane as it goes by!
The spotlights will be powered by a combination of coal powered power stations in urban areas, ancient russian nuclear reactors... and furnaces powered by burning kittens.
I don't think it's bad if MS gets pushed down to the same level as everyone else. The only way then that they'll drag themselves up is by releasing consistently good software, good services, decent pricing, and not forcing SameOldCrap on their licensees.
There's only two things that can happen with MS reducing marketshare:
1. They'll keep reducing, keep producing the same stuff people dont want, and go bust or continue sitting as a minority player in the background - it'll be good riddance to a bad company 2. They'll learn to improve, and we'll once again have the good microsoft we did in the pre-1999 days
In the right places, and for a few years, yeah. I've never seen a standard like this stay around for more than a year or two. In 5 years there'll be a few japanese homes with appliances that have unusable features, having cost twice as much as normal ones, but now working no different.
My prediction: this will be as useful as televisions with built in Beta tapes, CD players with built in organisers, and computers with a built in weather display on the front.
Well maybe you can still sell it for something, and earn a profit, but take a look at all the open source companies still making a profit and earning money. like redhat. There would be others too.
A better way to avoid this problem
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If it were open source like it SHOULD BE then there's no reason to have this 'solution' to a problem that would be 'non existent'.
Closed source. Feeding the middle man. and the other middle man. and the other middle man again, ad infinitum
Note too that the code WASN'T distributed by SCO under the GPL unknowingly, it was distributed, as known, and they themselves said exactly what we're saying now. To quote Blake Stowell even:
"No, none of the code in the Linux ABI modules contains SCO IP. This code is under the GPL and it re-implements publicly documented interfaces. We do not have an issue with the Linux ABI modules. The IP that we are licensing is all in the shared libraries - these libraries are needed by many OpenServer applications *in addition* to the Linux ABI.--BlakeStowell, 2003-02-05"
Publicly documented interfaces. Thats what they are, and thats what SCO said they are. Now they're trying to start legal action about them.
I kind of guessed it may be something like that. Hey you're employed, you're doing better than many and I figure there are employers who've done far worse things in the world than take what look like big risks, to save the company.
I'm not impressed at what they're doing to Linux, but it'll all be sorted out in courts anyway. Thanks for the response, it's interesting to hear from the other side.
I've always wondered if SCO Employees read slashdot, and if any are geek enough and annoyed enough at their employer's actions to comment. Anyone? Anyone who was or is employed there since this has all blown up in the last year? Any thoughts on what your employer is doing? Are you happy with them? agree with them? leaving them as damned soon as you find another job?
...who claim we're coming to the limits of silicon, and XXXX MHz is the highest that can be achieved. Technology will keep on advancing relentlessly, changing and adapting.
Pick an absolute limit for the speed of a CPU... then proceed to completely ignore it. Can't go wrong there.
Personally I've never been bothered by wires up above me. I'd rather have them up there and instantly accessible than deal with the crap of having lawn, road, path and other services dug up, just so a couple of people on the street can see the sky.
Hint. You can see the sky anyway, wires or no wires. Wasted effort aiming for underground, if you ask me. Wireless tech is a good replacement, but isn't going to work everywhere.
Yes, slashdot personals. It's part of the new OSDN - Open Source Dating Network.
Dating must go by the GPL - General Personal License, where if you date someone, you may only continue to date them if they may also date others. This however, is not a viral license. If you already have a partner and pick up another GPL'd partner you need not give up your original partner.
I was removed from my job where the majority of my team's time was spent monitoring our data centre, and calling in whoever we needed, when we needed, to fix glitches. I was proud of our work, and it's one of the times I truly felt a true "team player" that so many employers are after.
In the space of 3 months, two separate consulting firms recommended our tasks be outsourced. We all lost our jobs, and what comes out in the wash? The outsourced monitoring company is a subsidiary of one of the consulting firms. No surprises there.
Now, my employers have gone from having a small dedicated team who treated their equipment as their very own, to having a useless 'monitoring' company who not only can't detect an outage to save themselves (when the most clueless of managers has needed to contact them to ASK if a server is down when it's been out all night, things are bad) but don't actually do fixes themselves, but re-outsource those also
Last I heard email went out for 4 days. Our worst was a 3 hour fix, which was a combination of intermittent server problems and a backup clean slate machine that failed right after install, so we needed to source and rebuild a box from scratch. The new firm's best time is over a day.
The only thing I like about the whole situation is they're getting what they deserved, and are locked into it for another 18 months. Morals be damned, schadenfreude is fun.
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Really what's the advantage here? You're giving up functionality and extra cash to pay for one of these things, and only gaining the clutter of an external PSU, while running parts hotter and less reliably than in a correctly designed case, and there are hundreds of them out there.
In essence it's making a PC worse, and paying more for the privilege, all for only one difference exteriorally which is the height of the box, as shuttles are every bit as wide as a normal PC and almost as long front to back. When all it's going to do is get books and other desk things stacked on top of it then there's not really any advantage?
How are efforts in AmiZilla going? Is the Amiga Mozilla port any closer?
From the letter:
Accordingly, SCO requires written certification by your authorized representative under Para. 2.04 within 30 days of receipt of this letter. Such written certification must include statements that:
1. You are not running Linux binary code that was compiled from any version of Linux that contains our copyrighted application binary interface code ("ABI Code") specifically identified in the attached notification letter.
SCO is, in effect, attempting to use their claimed copyright (unproven and untested) over linux's header files as a way to say "If you use our UNIX, you may not use Linux at all" because, in effect, all Linux contains the code they allege is theirs.
It's a bit like GM finding a loophole in the invention of the wheel and sending out a letter to their customers, reminding them they are not allowed to own a Ford too.
I simply don't have the time. It's quite surprising too, how much antagonism I get from family members that I, who Knows Computer Stuff, won't come around for an evening to just fix a few little things. A third of the time it's a "little thing" that can be lived with, another third it's a little thing that can be fixed quickly, but the last third it's a little thing that requires much effort, much time, and occasionally a little money to fix. There's only so much Fixing Stuff I can get to do, and only so much 'training' people on the correct ways to use a computer and fix it themselves (yes thats the ideal solution, but it doesn't just take a 10 minute rundown to get that working in practice)
My sisters, my brother, my mother, stepfather, father, aunt, two uncles, a few cousins and about six friends all see me as "the computer guy" and call on me to fix things.
Do you people who know car mechanics intimately get the same kind of fixit requests from family? damn that'd shit me. Maybe I should go become an expert in astrophysics or some other shit my family don't do
You can be utterly certain that if some company came out with a Windows game where you had to sneak your character into houses and beat to a bloody pulp the families of anyone using Linux, then /. geeks would be up in arms complaining louder than anyone else.
Hypocrisy
> When I was at university, a friend of mine dated a
> younger girl who used "lol" (pronounced "lawl") in verbal
> conversation. That was too weird.
My kids say it out loud too.
I'm considering selling them.
Apple has announced hey? Despite not owning them, I remember when the press said apple has "announced" 68060 based macs. I remember when apple "announced" that their games machine was selling in the US market. I remember when they "announced" the release of a PPC 620 64-bit mac.
"announced" in quotes simply because the press want to get it right before anyone else, and throw guesses and suppositions around regarding beta or even non existent hardware.
For a moment I thought the cooler shown here was a new novel way to cool HDs.
Do away with the entire drive case and throw caution (and your platters) to the wind.
Big spotlights on the ground shining up at the plane as it goes by!
The spotlights will be powered by a combination of coal powered power stations in urban areas, ancient russian nuclear reactors... and furnaces powered by burning kittens.
But the light is enviro friendly!
I don't think it's bad if MS gets pushed down to the same level as everyone else. The only way then that they'll drag themselves up is by releasing consistently good software, good services, decent pricing, and not forcing SameOldCrap on their licensees.
There's only two things that can happen with MS reducing marketshare:
1. They'll keep reducing, keep producing the same stuff people dont want, and go bust or continue sitting as a minority player in the background - it'll be good riddance to a bad company
2. They'll learn to improve, and we'll once again have the good microsoft we did in the pre-1999 days
Looks like they've stolen the design from the Amiga MCC
Another area where Amigas innovated and everyone else followed 5 years later.
In the right places, and for a few years, yeah. I've never seen a standard like this stay around for more than a year or two. In 5 years there'll be a few japanese homes with appliances that have unusable features, having cost twice as much as normal ones, but now working no different.
My prediction: this will be as useful as televisions with built in Beta tapes, CD players with built in organisers, and computers with a built in weather display on the front.
I give it 18 months
Well maybe you can still sell it for something, and earn a profit, but take a look at all the open source companies still making a profit and earning money. like redhat. There would be others too.
If it were open source like it SHOULD BE then there's no reason to have this 'solution' to a problem that would be 'non existent'.
Closed source. Feeding the middle man. and the other middle man. and the other middle man again, ad infinitum
How many free type OS kernels are there? There's Linux and the BSDs that I know of, anything else that can be worked on as freely as Linux has been?
I think all of a sudden, *BSD won't be dying :)
Note too that the code WASN'T distributed by SCO under the GPL unknowingly, it was distributed, as known, and they themselves said exactly what we're saying now. To quote Blake Stowell even:
"No, none of the code in the Linux ABI modules contains SCO IP. This code is under the GPL and it re-implements publicly documented interfaces. We do not have an issue with the Linux ABI modules. The IP that we are licensing is all in the shared libraries - these libraries are needed by many OpenServer applications *in addition* to the Linux ABI.--BlakeStowell, 2003-02-05"
Publicly documented interfaces. Thats what they are, and thats what SCO said they are. Now they're trying to start legal action about them.
I kind of guessed it may be something like that. Hey you're employed, you're doing better than many and I figure there are employers who've done far worse things in the world than take what look like big risks, to save the company.
I'm not impressed at what they're doing to Linux, but it'll all be sorted out in courts anyway. Thanks for the response, it's interesting to hear from the other side.
I've always wondered if SCO Employees read slashdot, and if any are geek enough and annoyed enough at their employer's actions to comment. Anyone? Anyone who was or is employed there since this has all blown up in the last year? Any thoughts on what your employer is doing? Are you happy with them? agree with them? leaving them as damned soon as you find another job?
I'm curious
...who claim we're coming to the limits of silicon, and XXXX MHz is the highest that can be achieved. Technology will keep on advancing relentlessly, changing and adapting.
Pick an absolute limit for the speed of a CPU... then proceed to completely ignore it. Can't go wrong there.
I lost a pair of glasses, for nearly 3 months I had to go without them.
I found them eventually, hanging on a piece of cat5 just below sight behind my desk.
Personally I've never been bothered by wires up above me. I'd rather have them up there and instantly accessible than deal with the crap of having lawn, road, path and other services dug up, just so a couple of people on the street can see the sky.
Hint. You can see the sky anyway, wires or no wires. Wasted effort aiming for underground, if you ask me. Wireless tech is a good replacement, but isn't going to work everywhere.
Yes, slashdot personals. It's part of the new OSDN - Open Source Dating Network.
Dating must go by the GPL - General Personal License, where if you date someone, you may only continue to date them if they may also date others. This however, is not a viral license. If you already have a partner and pick up another GPL'd partner you need not give up your original partner.
It's really quite simple.
People who've had their ears damaged by gunfire
I immediately wondered how a pill would protect against being shot in the side of the head.
I was removed from my job where the majority of my team's time was spent monitoring our data centre, and calling in whoever we needed, when we needed, to fix glitches. I was proud of our work, and it's one of the times I truly felt a true "team player" that so many employers are after.
In the space of 3 months, two separate consulting firms recommended our tasks be outsourced. We all lost our jobs, and what comes out in the wash? The outsourced monitoring company is a subsidiary of one of the consulting firms. No surprises there.
Now, my employers have gone from having a small dedicated team who treated their equipment as their very own, to having a useless 'monitoring' company who not only can't detect an outage to save themselves (when the most clueless of managers has needed to contact them to ASK if a server is down when it's been out all night, things are bad) but don't actually do fixes themselves, but re-outsource those also
Last I heard email went out for 4 days. Our worst was a 3 hour fix, which was a combination of intermittent server problems and a backup clean slate machine that failed right after install, so we needed to source and rebuild a box from scratch. The new firm's best time is over a day.
The only thing I like about the whole situation is they're getting what they deserved, and are locked into it for another 18 months. Morals be damned, schadenfreude is fun.