While I fully understand your point of view, you're missing something. There is a serious problem with the focus on graphics, and one that's getting much, much worse: Cost. Games these days cost tens of millions of dollars to produce! The biggest reason for this is how vital it is for sales to have great graphics. And then more gets spent on the game, and it becomes even more vital to sell more copies. Ultimately, this can only lead to rising retail prices if it continues. Also, expect lots of developers and/or publishers to stop focusing on things that don't sell as well, like gameplay and creativity. (Hint: EA.)
I draw a distinction between 'graphics' and 'art.' When people say 'graphics,' 97% of the time they're talking about polygons and shaders and whatnot.
Another example to add to your Metroid/Halo comparison: Everquest 2 has better graphics than World of Warcraft. But it doesn't actually look as good, in a lot of ways, because the art isn't as good.
You get to slaughter a cult full of Scientologists.
It rules.
Hmm...where's my Fallout 2? It takes a while to be able to kill them all, if you don't know how to get the best equipment early (and I can't remember the tricks) but it's worth it.
If the PS3 uses all industry standard perhiperals, the Xbox 360 is screwed.
First of all, unlikely. This is Sony we're talking about.
Secondly, the XBox360 IS allowing you to use whatever storage you want. You can plug a fucking IPod into there.
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Without N64 games, it's not likely to fill up at all. My NES roms total at 100MB, my SNES roms at 750MB. That's for pretty much every game that exists in English, plus some that don't. And, of course, while there are lots of gems in there, most of those games are pretty bad.
N64 games are smaller than people think, as well. You DO have some big games, like Conker's Bad Fur Day and Resident Evil 2, at 64 MB. But the majority is much smaller, about 10MB each.
So, you can fit, well, let's say at least 30 games on that thing, if they're all N64. Many times that if they're older. That seems to be extremely reasonable for what comes with the purchase price. You can always buy more memory, so why make every single person that buys the console pay extra?
As for reasons to use flash instead of a disc-based drive, well, there are lots of reasons. Durability is one, noise is another. But when you look at the SIZE of that machine they showed, and consider that they plan for the launch product to be even smaller, size and heat are almost certainly the main motivations.
Not convinced that this is the deal winner at all. All you would really manage to hit is the older Nintendo fans that don`t have their N64 sitting about somewhere.
Well, actually, it scores major points with me. I have an N64, but it's a pain in the ass to get it to work. Mine has problems, my second one has problems, all my friends' N64's have the same problems -- the damn thing never starts up, and when it does, it tends to just turn off within a few minutes. Sure, the GameCube and Gameboys are all impressively reliable, but the N64 isn't. (Neither are its otherwise-awesome controllers, actually.)
Microsoft's arrogance is clearly planned and designed to bring them success. Ignore Nintendo, and so will gamers. That kind of thing. They do it in such a way that somebody who isn't paying attention could easily completely fail to realize that any arrogant attitude is there.
But look at this guy. How does saying something so blatantly arrogant help you? "Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan." Wow. Reminds me of last year's E3 when the man was subtly smug about how his marketing department's blatant lies managed to put the final nail in the coffin of Sega's hardware-making days.
The real problem, of course, is that people actually listen to this guy.
I disliked the fact that Link and Zelda were completely different and just looked like the original Link and Zelda. Its actually a "side story" variant. The final battle with Gannon was very easy compared to all the other Zelda games. I understand this one is a direct sequel with the real Link in it. I guess in the far future, their race's skin becomes smooth and posterized.
Uh, according to the article, this Link is, like most Links, a new one. Link and Zelda aren't meant to be chracters, exactly, but the eternal personalities of the Hero and of the Princess in Distress.
Psychonauts is NOT a hardware-intensive game...it runs like smooth melted butter on my Athlon XP2100+, Radeon 9600XT, and 768MB DDR400.
Also, lots of games do come on DVD these days. The thing is, a single-disc install is something they can charge more money for. You mentioned WoW, well, the Collector's Edition included a DVD and a CD set. I believe the UT2k4 collector's edition came on a DVD too. Myst 4 comes on TWO DVD's.
The only reason to put a game on DVD instead of CDs is if it's more profitable. If you have a Collector's Edition, it can make more people buy the more expensive version, but otherwise, 4 CDs are still cheaper to buy and burn.
As for Indy IV, Ford's age suggests a movie set in the late '50s or early '60s, so it might be fun to have him run in to James Bond during the course of his adventure.
Duuude. And then James Bond would be his father! And all that "Look what you did! I can't believe what you did!" from Last Crusade was just a sham!
Heh, I knew somebody would say this, and that's the only reason I came to look at the comments. So I could reply with the fact that the smell of a coffeeshop literally nauseates me.
At least they don't have to worry about me squatting. Rude, rude squatters.
Anybody else as curious/excited as I am to find out what Nintendo's big secret is? Maybe I'm just being an overly-optimistic loyalist, but I think they have more up their sleeve than the press is giving them credit for. The Revolution is practically ignored in every article I've read, it's always "PS3 vs. Xbox 360, and oh yea, Nintendo has one too but we don't know anything about it yet so they don't count."
I'm sure they have something up their sleeves, how good it is remains to be seen. I have no problem with Nintendo being left out of discussions -- but you're right, it's not simply that it isn't mentioned, it's actually discounted. I think that's a mistake.
Its like all of us have amnesia & can't remember what games & controllers were like before the PSX.
Uh, you mean the thing that was basically an SNES controller with confusing face buttons, two extra (and, again, confusing) shoulder buttons and a really crappy version of a D-pad, which was far inferior to the N64 controller which virtually invented the analog stick?
It's not a VM in the same sense. It was simply stupid of me to simplify it to the point where I was just plain wrong.
The differences in the way the VMs work DOES lead to an overall speed difference and memory usage difference. The main two Java programs I'm using for comparison here are Azureus and Eclipse, which I know people often use as examples to prove that Java programs aren't horrendously slow. And that's true, they aren't all that slow. But a lot of effort is put into them, and in my experience they still don't run as smoothly as a slapdash.NET program does.
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While I fully understand your point of view, you're missing something. There is a serious problem with the focus on graphics, and one that's getting much, much worse: Cost. Games these days cost tens of millions of dollars to produce! The biggest reason for this is how vital it is for sales to have great graphics. And then more gets spent on the game, and it becomes even more vital to sell more copies. Ultimately, this can only lead to rising retail prices if it continues. Also, expect lots of developers and/or publishers to stop focusing on things that don't sell as well, like gameplay and creativity. (Hint: EA.)
I wonder what will be next.
Smell-o-vision!
I draw a distinction between 'graphics' and 'art.' When people say 'graphics,' 97% of the time they're talking about polygons and shaders and whatnot.
Another example to add to your Metroid/Halo comparison:
Everquest 2 has better graphics than World of Warcraft. But it doesn't actually look as good, in a lot of ways, because the art isn't as good.
You know what? I think that would be better.
Doom 3 is the ultimate example of graphics not mattering. They spent so much time on the graphics engine that they forgot to make their game fun.
You get to slaughter a cult full of Scientologists.
It rules.
Hmm...where's my Fallout 2? It takes a while to be able to kill them all, if you don't know how to get the best equipment early (and I can't remember the tricks) but it's worth it.
Actually, about a year ago I bought the "HL 2 Recommended!!!" card for $120. 9600XT.
Everything still screams.
In fact, Super Mario Sunshine was mentioned as a game you'd probably be able to download.
That may require more space than the 512MB the Revolution comes with though...then again, Mario 64 was a mere 8MB. Hard to say.
If the PS3 uses all industry standard perhiperals, the Xbox 360 is screwed.
First of all, unlikely. This is Sony we're talking about.
Secondly, the XBox360 IS allowing you to use whatever storage you want. You can plug a fucking IPod into there.
Without N64 games, it's not likely to fill up at all. My NES roms total at 100MB, my SNES roms at 750MB. That's for pretty much every game that exists in English, plus some that don't. And, of course, while there are lots of gems in there, most of those games are pretty bad.
N64 games are smaller than people think, as well. You DO have some big games, like Conker's Bad Fur Day and Resident Evil 2, at 64 MB. But the majority is much smaller, about 10MB each.
So, you can fit, well, let's say at least 30 games on that thing, if they're all N64. Many times that if they're older. That seems to be extremely reasonable for what comes with the purchase price. You can always buy more memory, so why make every single person that buys the console pay extra?
As for reasons to use flash instead of a disc-based drive, well, there are lots of reasons. Durability is one, noise is another. But when you look at the SIZE of that machine they showed, and consider that they plan for the launch product to be even smaller, size and heat are almost certainly the main motivations.
Not convinced that this is the deal winner at all. All you would really manage to hit is the older Nintendo fans that don`t have their N64 sitting about somewhere.
Well, actually, it scores major points with me. I have an N64, but it's a pain in the ass to get it to work. Mine has problems, my second one has problems, all my friends' N64's have the same problems -- the damn thing never starts up, and when it does, it tends to just turn off within a few minutes. Sure, the GameCube and Gameboys are all impressively reliable, but the N64 isn't. (Neither are its otherwise-awesome controllers, actually.)
The man's arrogance is mind-blowing.
Microsoft's arrogance is clearly planned and designed to bring them success. Ignore Nintendo, and so will gamers. That kind of thing. They do it in such a way that somebody who isn't paying attention could easily completely fail to realize that any arrogant attitude is there.
But look at this guy. How does saying something so blatantly arrogant help you? "Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan." Wow. Reminds me of last year's E3 when the man was subtly smug about how his marketing department's blatant lies managed to put the final nail in the coffin of Sega's hardware-making days.
The real problem, of course, is that people actually listen to this guy.
I disliked the fact that Link and Zelda were completely different and just looked like the original Link and Zelda. Its actually a "side story" variant. The final battle with Gannon was very easy compared to all the other Zelda games. I understand this one is a direct sequel with the real Link in it. I guess in the far future, their race's skin becomes smooth and posterized.
Uh, according to the article, this Link is, like most Links, a new one. Link and Zelda aren't meant to be chracters, exactly, but the eternal personalities of the Hero and of the Princess in Distress.
Psychonauts is NOT a hardware-intensive game...it runs like smooth melted butter on my Athlon XP2100+, Radeon 9600XT, and 768MB DDR400.
Also, lots of games do come on DVD these days. The thing is, a single-disc install is something they can charge more money for. You mentioned WoW, well, the Collector's Edition included a DVD and a CD set. I believe the UT2k4 collector's edition came on a DVD too. Myst 4 comes on TWO DVD's.
The only reason to put a game on DVD instead of CDs is if it's more profitable. If you have a Collector's Edition, it can make more people buy the more expensive version, but otherwise, 4 CDs are still cheaper to buy and burn.
As for Indy IV, Ford's age suggests a movie set in the late '50s or early '60s, so it might be fun to have him run in to James Bond during the course of his adventure.
Duuude. And then James Bond would be his father! And all that "Look what you did! I can't believe what you did!" from Last Crusade was just a sham!
Lucas would love it!
Hah, "w00t" is my girlfriend's exclamation of choice. She even bought me the ThinkGeek w00t shirt.
And I wear it, dammit.
Actually, I updated my .NET Framework yesterday and it didn't require a reboot.
In this case, "managed code" is simply a better term than the ones you mention. It's more descriptive. If you'd used it, it might make more sense.
Oh, well Sony has the special cell. It has bigger numbers on it, because it's Sony.
Heh, I knew somebody would say this, and that's the only reason I came to look at the comments. So I could reply with the fact that the smell of a coffeeshop literally nauseates me.
At least they don't have to worry about me squatting. Rude, rude squatters.
Anybody else as curious/excited as I am to find out what Nintendo's big secret is? Maybe I'm just being an overly-optimistic loyalist, but I think they have more up their sleeve than the press is giving them credit for. The Revolution is practically ignored in every article I've read, it's always "PS3 vs. Xbox 360, and oh yea, Nintendo has one too but we don't know anything about it yet so they don't count."
I'm sure they have something up their sleeves, how good it is remains to be seen. I have no problem with Nintendo being left out of discussions -- but you're right, it's not simply that it isn't mentioned, it's actually discounted. I think that's a mistake.
EVERYONE over-hypes their product during a show like that.
Well, you know...except Nintendo.
Corran Horn is so much cooler than Luke or Anakin.
Exactly. First thing I thought when I read the headline:
"Huh. And here I was considering buying one."
Its like all of us have amnesia & can't remember what games & controllers were like before the PSX.
Uh, you mean the thing that was basically an SNES controller with confusing face buttons, two extra (and, again, confusing) shoulder buttons and a really crappy version of a D-pad, which was far inferior to the N64 controller which virtually invented the analog stick?
It's not a VM in the same sense. It was simply stupid of me to simplify it to the point where I was just plain wrong.
.NET program does.
The differences in the way the VMs work DOES lead to an overall speed difference and memory usage difference. The main two Java programs I'm using for comparison here are Azureus and Eclipse, which I know people often use as examples to prove that Java programs aren't horrendously slow. And that's true, they aren't all that slow. But a lot of effort is put into them, and in my experience they still don't run as smoothly as a slapdash