We've even had all OS and router support for 5 years.
Depends on what you mean by "support". If you spend your time reading changelogs (ferinstance) instead of brochures, you may discover that IPv6 support is still being added, fixed, or is otherwise being worked on. That applies to things at the operating system all the way down to networking utilities and rc scripts.
I think the OP's concerns would be satisfied with a simple WHOIS lookup, using either the IP address or the domain name, or both. Windows users can use a web-based service for lookups.
To add some context, in the dial-up days, my local ISP (literally a mom and pop outfit), happily provided a full newsfeed (30-60 day retention) through one of the major providers at the time. No busy numbers, no speed issues, no download caps, 24-hour support, and a complimentary news feed, all for $15.00/month. Hell, they'd even suggest from time to time that I come into their office to download my ISOs so I wouldn't have to tie up my line.
When I switched to ATT DSL, the improved speeds were nice, but everything else I'd taken for granted went out the window. Usenet? Only their Level 2 support knew what the word meant, and the techs on the other end of the phone quickly admitted the service sucked.
I don't know whether there's a business case for an ISP to provide a usenet feed, but I do know that I've been paying $15/month for it ever since.
Svchost has been around forever. It basically encapsulates other applications. Svchost handles many things from DCHP client to Windows Themes. The problem is that McAfee doesn't seem to...
Encapsulation? No doubt that's a valid comment and one that's just as valid to describe, in a more general sense, how Microsoft designs things. On the other hand, I consider a weasel word that describes something that lacks transparency, isn't understandable, and is unnecessarily complex.
If you think that's an over-the-top opinion, run `netstab -ab'. See how long it takes for the command to complete. And then see how long it takes for you to parse the output before making sense of it.
I teach at the community college myself, and find that installing the OS is a really important part of learning to use it
Wholeheartedly agree. And while the rest of your comments have merit, I'd offer the suggestion to build on the "important part of learning" principle.
Instead of going the VM route, just hand out Slackware CDs. Or if the kids are bright (like the kids were in my day), point them to the Linux From Scratch project and let them loose! For extra credit, you could have them figure out how to integrate their new OS in a Windows domain environment or, if that requires unavailable resources, have them install a complete Cygwin distribution on their Windows PCs to figure out creative ways to make Windows behave more sanely so that things like odd file names, line endings, a useless PATH, a nonsensical hierarchy, reliance on drive letters, security token issues, and reconciling Posix permissions don't present insurmountable challenges.
By the end of term, they'll have all the experience they need. More importantly, they'll be prepared for the real world.
The instructor benefits, too, as grading the students is simplified. Anyone that completes the class gets an automatic A, except for those caught cheating who get a B+. Kids that came in with a note from their parents excusing them from class gets an incomplete. Everyone else fails. And those that switched to one of the BSDs in midterm get put on the honour roll.
Schadenfreude moderation? Perhaps. Personally, I think it's funny for the same reason the following is funny:
I bet a fun thing would be to go way back in time to where there was going to be an eclipse and tell the cave men, "If I have come to destroy you, may the sun be blotted out from the sky." Just then the eclipse would start, and they'd probably try to kill you or something, but then you could explain about the rotation of the moon and all, and everyone would get a good laugh.
I'm worried that it will simply display the MOTD about being a good citizen, reminding us not to violate copyright and then pointing us to our assigned task for the day.
I'm afraid it's too late to worry. I'm just waiting for the day when the MOTD you're worried about is preceeded by scrolling dmesg output and a login prompt.;-)
Well, contracts aside, it's still the case that large corporations offer continuing education or tuition reimbursement as a matter of policy, and while I'd hope that the value of investing in an employee should be self-evident to any employer, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that such notions fall victim to cost-cutting measures taken during tough economic times.
Jobs in the IT field aren't considered professions (at least in the traditional sense), but it may offer some perspective to consider how other professions handle things. Consider lawyers, as a ferinstance. From the American Bar Assocation website:
46 U.S. jurisdictions require lawyers to take mandatory or minimum continuing legal education (MCLE) courses in order to practice law within that particular jurisdiction.
So lawyers are required to "maintain their certifications". And by extension, law firms maintain their "certified status". How about the costs for the education? Well, unsurprisingly (or not), most of the better firms offer reimbursements, and then some.
All in all, I'd suggest it comes to how generous or otherwise enlightened an employer is at a given point in time. Should your employer reimburse you, or otherwise make accomodations? If the company's "certified status" depends on it, the answer is an obvious "Yes". If not, then I'm afraid your own needs or wishes will be considered discretionary.
You do a currency conversion when you travel, too. Ever been to South America? Eastern Europe? The average American can live like a king. In some places on the globe you can get a hotel room and three meals a day for less than $5.
Going off on a tangent here.. I'm aware that living in other countries can be dramatically cheap by comparison, but where exactly can you get a hotel room with three meals a day for less than $5?
Now is not the time for more government spending. It would be like a person deciding to buy a new car (without a need) after getting fired and after having their savings account depleted by a health care expense.
I'd suggest things are a bit more complicated than that.
Consumer spending represents about 70% of GDP, government investment runs about 20%, with the rest taken up by exports and other forms of investment. If consumers are broke, unemployed or otherwise disinclined to spend, what exactly do you think will happen to the economy? Do you expect business to step in and make up the difference? Even if business were so inclined (they're not), most are having trouble obtaining credit.
That, for better or for worse, leaves the government as the only entity large enough to make a difference. The question then becomes not whether government should spend or not spend, but rather how to spend so as to encourage economic development. The only other option is to gamble on a Wait and Hope Things Get Better approach. So if doing something and doing nothing involves substantial risk, which would you choose?
If you want to use a family analogy, how about one where one where one or both the breadwinners have lost their jobs. Do you tell them to stop spending money (and somehow just hold on while things get worse), or take what they have and spend it on something that has a chance at offering them a return? Seems to me that investing (i.e., spending) would be the most sensible approach. A second car for the wifey to go to work, a new suit and professional resumes for the hubby, leveraging their current assets to invest in a small business, school, retraining, and so on would all be reasonable choices.
Your recommendations presuppose a degree of professionalism on the part of the attendees. While that's a given in banking, law, finance, etc., I don't think it exists to the same degree elsewhere, particularly in IT. That's not to say such things can't be learned. Given enough time and sufficient motivation, children can be made to behave like adults, and ineffective managers can learn to manage.
[T]he CEO that said one of the reasons they bought the site was because it had "room for growth".
I too have room for growth in my Command Center, just as soon as I finish clearing out that stack of old magazines where the router and CB Radio are sitting. Hmm. Come to think of it, I need another power strip.
Not only is this President putting out scripts just like the last President (and quite honestly, every President since before FDR), but a good chunk of the press not only prints it, but eats it up. I've never seen as much press love for a President as I've seen with the current one.
Is that so hard to understand?
The press (along with the rest of us) endured 8 long years of a White House that considered the press an enemy, routinely refused to answer questions (speeches and press conferences were few and far between), believed as a matter of ideology and law that they were above accountability, and a President had trouble speaking in complete sentences.
So with adults back in charge, what's not to love?
Moreover the Municipality of Rome, an active player in this project, is planning to exploit these vehicles downtown to deliver goods to shops, collect trash, and arrange sustainable mobility in the last mile.
I'm reminded of the time when I was growing up that we had garbage men hanging off the back of city-owned garbage trucks. Yeah we liked it that way, just as we liked most of the guys doing the work for us. Unsurprising (or not), it was also a time when a single-earner paycheck could support a family.
But let's put nostalgia aside and embrace the promise of cutting edge green technologies that offer cost efficiencies for governments and businesses alike, I wonder what, if this technology is successful and widely used (bound to happen sooner or later), will happen to the livelihoods of, say, UPS and FedX drivers? Or postmen, bus drivers, cabbies and pizza delivery drivers? If they're to be considered the buggy drivers of tomorrow, what form will a job for the ordinary guy graduating high school take? Seems those kinds of jobs are increasingly eliminated with little or no acknowledgement of the consequences.
I don't know the degree to which solutions for the Municipality of Rome would apply in the US, but I expect the concept of getting fastfood without having to drive to the drive-thru (or, with sufficient automation, remove any need for you get off the couch) would have near universal appeal. As would getting rid of cab drivers. Everyone hates cab drivers, right?
Disclaimer: Readers of this post may note that it has fuck all to do with cheese (aside from the possibility that the poster has watched too many episodes of Wallace and Grommit). My excuse is that I've just now discovered that when making a post, the Subject field offers a pre-populated set of choices. If the powers that be at Slashdot considers those valid, legitimate and appropriate Subjects, then cheese it is. Hmm. Maybe I am feeling a bit peckish?
I agreed with removing the 5th year. Not because it was a bad idea in principle, but because it was flawed in practice.
I went through a 5-year program way back when and still believe it's a good approach.
It's certainly possible to cram those 5 years (or more realistically, parts of those 5 years) into 4, but not without losing something in the process.
As for being flawed in practice, here's something to consider. Here in the US it's long been the case that universities are routinely forced to offer remedial classes in everything from basic literacy and math to things like how to write and essay. Why? Because their freshman students haven't mastered the prerequisites of university level classes. Or put more simply, students didn't learn what they were supposed to learn in high school.
I view elimination of 5-year or similarly enhanced programs as a race to the bottom where the buck gets conveniently passed to someone else. How many grade schools, for example, are forced to provide clean clothes, a hot meal and even counseling to their students so they can focus on their schoolwork? Is the grade school approach flawed in practice?
Getting to Chernobyl isn't the overwhelming task of mental fortitude and endurance most of these 'reporters' want you to think it is. You go to Kiev, you spend 40 - 80USD, and you get taken there. It's very official, it's very routine, and you get an interesting experience from it. And a delicious meal at the end of it..
Never been to the Ukraine, but according to what I saw in Everything Is Illuminated, hiring a driver for a sight-seeing excursion to Trochenbrod is ineed an interesting experience.;-) I'd imagine what's portrayed in the movie is probably as informative and authentic as the photographs in the article, but a helluvalot more fun to watch.
Well, they look real enough. Hell, did you notice? They're printed! Today, I'd bet documentation would be more along the lines of:
Pick a Help Topic - What's new in Apollo 13 - User and system guides - Apollo 13 basics - Hardware - Software - Fixing a problem - Protecting your shuttle - Send feedback to NASA
Ask for Assistance - Call Houston - Get support or find information online
Pick a Task - Use the wizard to diagnose a problem - Stir oxygen and hydrogen tanks - Shutdown the command module - Fly a circumlunar abort
Did you know? The LM "lifeboat" consumables are intended only to sustain two people for two days, not three people for four days.
You are not your job. You are not your footwear. You are not your grande latte. You are not your gods-damned expensive, shiny toy from yet-another-corporation. Now please, for your own dignity and my sanity STOP IT, we GET IT, you think you're cool because you bought something that works for you most of the time.
Regrettably, they are.
In a consumerist culture, people define their identities by the products they buy. Novel and fun to be sure, but invariably shallow.
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We've even had all OS and router support for 5 years.
Depends on what you mean by "support". If you spend your time reading changelogs (ferinstance) instead of brochures, you may discover that IPv6 support is still being added, fixed, or is otherwise being worked on. That applies to things at the operating system all the way down to networking utilities and rc scripts.
Sounds like the Nobody guy is the smartest guy in the room.
I think the OP's concerns would be satisfied with a simple WHOIS lookup, using either the IP address or the domain name, or both. Windows users can use a web-based service for lookups.
Completely different issue. CDROMs don't use the FAT filesystem.
Correct, but didja know that, by default, NTFS stores both long and short file names?
And yes, that Windows still smells of DOS after all these years, is considered a feature.
To add some context, in the dial-up days, my local ISP (literally a mom and pop outfit), happily provided a full newsfeed (30-60 day retention) through one of the major providers at the time. No busy numbers, no speed issues, no download caps, 24-hour support, and a complimentary news feed, all for $15.00/month. Hell, they'd even suggest from time to time that I come into their office to download my ISOs so I wouldn't have to tie up my line.
When I switched to ATT DSL, the improved speeds were nice, but everything else I'd taken for granted went out the window. Usenet? Only their Level 2 support knew what the word meant, and the techs on the other end of the phone quickly admitted the service sucked.
I don't know whether there's a business case for an ISP to provide a usenet feed, but I do know that I've been paying $15/month for it ever since.
Svchost has been around forever. It basically encapsulates other applications. Svchost handles many things from DCHP client to Windows Themes. The problem is that McAfee doesn't seem to ...
Encapsulation? No doubt that's a valid comment and one that's just as valid to describe, in a more general sense, how Microsoft designs things. On the other hand, I consider a weasel word that describes something that lacks transparency, isn't understandable, and is unnecessarily complex.
If you think that's an over-the-top opinion, run `netstab -ab'. See how long it takes for the command to complete. And then see how long it takes for you to parse the output before making sense of it.
I teach at the community college myself, and find that installing the OS is a really important part of learning to use it
Wholeheartedly agree. And while the rest of your comments have merit, I'd offer the suggestion to build on the "important part of learning" principle.
Instead of going the VM route, just hand out Slackware CDs. Or if the kids are bright (like the kids were in my day), point them to the Linux From Scratch project and let them loose! For extra credit, you could have them figure out how to integrate their new OS in a Windows domain environment or, if that requires unavailable resources, have them install a complete Cygwin distribution on their Windows PCs to figure out creative ways to make Windows behave more sanely so that things like odd file names, line endings, a useless PATH, a nonsensical hierarchy, reliance on drive letters, security token issues, and reconciling Posix permissions don't present insurmountable challenges.
By the end of term, they'll have all the experience they need. More importantly, they'll be prepared for the real world.
The instructor benefits, too, as grading the students is simplified. Anyone that completes the class gets an automatic A, except for those caught cheating who get a B+. Kids that came in with a note from their parents excusing them from class gets an incomplete. Everyone else fails. And those that switched to one of the BSDs in midterm get put on the honour roll.
Schadenfreude moderation? Perhaps. Personally, I think it's funny for the same reason the following is funny:
It's just too ridiculous not to laugh.
I wonder what the holy bastard fuck "its'" is supposed to be. Is it perhaps the possessive of the plural of an it?
Gerunds require the possessive, so the construct make sense. But not much.
I'm worried that it will simply display the MOTD about being a good citizen, reminding us not to violate copyright and then pointing us to our assigned task for the day.
I'm afraid it's too late to worry. I'm just waiting for the day when the MOTD you're worried about is preceeded by scrolling dmesg output and a login prompt. ;-)
What would suck more is if it arrives on Wednesday. We'd have to call it ... wait for it ... Ash Wednesday!
There's probably a Mount St. Helens Thursday joke lurking in there too.
Well, contracts aside, it's still the case that large corporations offer continuing education or tuition reimbursement as a matter of policy, and while I'd hope that the value of investing in an employee should be self-evident to any employer, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that such notions fall victim to cost-cutting measures taken during tough economic times.
Jobs in the IT field aren't considered professions (at least in the traditional sense), but it may offer some perspective to consider how other professions handle things. Consider lawyers, as a ferinstance. From the American Bar Assocation website:
So lawyers are required to "maintain their certifications". And by extension, law firms maintain their "certified status". How about the costs for the education? Well, unsurprisingly (or not), most of the better firms offer reimbursements, and then some.
All in all, I'd suggest it comes to how generous or otherwise enlightened an employer is at a given point in time. Should your employer reimburse you, or otherwise make accomodations? If the company's "certified status" depends on it, the answer is an obvious "Yes". If not, then I'm afraid your own needs or wishes will be considered discretionary.
You do a currency conversion when you travel, too. Ever been to South America? Eastern Europe? The average American can live like a king. In some places on the globe you can get a hotel room and three meals a day for less than $5.
Going off on a tangent here .. I'm aware that living in other countries can be dramatically cheap by comparison, but where exactly can you get a hotel room with three meals a day for less than $5?
Now is not the time for more government spending. It would be like a person deciding to buy a new car (without a need) after getting fired and after having their savings account depleted by a health care expense.
I'd suggest things are a bit more complicated than that.
Consumer spending represents about 70% of GDP, government investment runs about 20%, with the rest taken up by exports and other forms of investment. If consumers are broke, unemployed or otherwise disinclined to spend, what exactly do you think will happen to the economy? Do you expect business to step in and make up the difference? Even if business were so inclined (they're not), most are having trouble obtaining credit.
That, for better or for worse, leaves the government as the only entity large enough to make a difference. The question then becomes not whether government should spend or not spend, but rather how to spend so as to encourage economic development. The only other option is to gamble on a Wait and Hope Things Get Better approach. So if doing something and doing nothing involves substantial risk, which would you choose?
If you want to use a family analogy, how about one where one where one or both the breadwinners have lost their jobs. Do you tell them to stop spending money (and somehow just hold on while things get worse), or take what they have and spend it on something that has a chance at offering them a return? Seems to me that investing (i.e., spending) would be the most sensible approach. A second car for the wifey to go to work, a new suit and professional resumes for the hubby, leveraging their current assets to invest in a small business, school, retraining, and so on would all be reasonable choices.
Your recommendations presuppose a degree of professionalism on the part of the attendees. While that's a given in banking, law, finance, etc., I don't think it exists to the same degree elsewhere, particularly in IT. That's not to say such things can't be learned. Given enough time and sufficient motivation, children can be made to behave like adults, and ineffective managers can learn to manage.
[T]he CEO that said one of the reasons they bought the site was because it had "room for growth".
I too have room for growth in my Command Center, just as soon as I finish clearing out that stack of old magazines where the router and CB Radio are sitting. Hmm. Come to think of it, I need another power strip.
I deployed a 586 based single board computer using a 4 gig CF as the boot drive about a year ago.
I'll bet it's a Soekris box, and you've added a spinning 2.5 hard drive to it to as well. Did I guess right?
Did something similar about a year ago, too, but I opted for single 16GB Mtron MOBI SLC SSDs. All the units still work as expected.
Not only is this President putting out scripts just like the last President (and quite honestly, every President since before FDR), but a good chunk of the press not only prints it, but eats it up. I've never seen as much press love for a President as I've seen with the current one.
Is that so hard to understand?
The press (along with the rest of us) endured 8 long years of a White House that considered the press an enemy, routinely refused to answer questions (speeches and press conferences were few and far between), believed as a matter of ideology and law that they were above accountability, and a President had trouble speaking in complete sentences.
So with adults back in charge, what's not to love?
This bit caught my attention:
I'm reminded of the time when I was growing up that we had garbage men hanging off the back of city-owned garbage trucks. Yeah we liked it that way, just as we liked most of the guys doing the work for us. Unsurprising (or not), it was also a time when a single-earner paycheck could support a family.
But let's put nostalgia aside and embrace the promise of cutting edge green technologies that offer cost efficiencies for governments and businesses alike, I wonder what, if this technology is successful and widely used (bound to happen sooner or later), will happen to the livelihoods of, say, UPS and FedX drivers? Or postmen, bus drivers, cabbies and pizza delivery drivers? If they're to be considered the buggy drivers of tomorrow, what form will a job for the ordinary guy graduating high school take? Seems those kinds of jobs are increasingly eliminated with little or no acknowledgement of the consequences.
I don't know the degree to which solutions for the Municipality of Rome would apply in the US, but I expect the concept of getting fastfood without having to drive to the drive-thru (or, with sufficient automation, remove any need for you get off the couch) would have near universal appeal. As would getting rid of cab drivers. Everyone hates cab drivers, right?
Disclaimer: Readers of this post may note that it has fuck all to do with cheese (aside from the possibility that the poster has watched too many episodes of Wallace and Grommit). My excuse is that I've just now discovered that when making a post, the Subject field offers a pre-populated set of choices. If the powers that be at Slashdot considers those valid, legitimate and appropriate Subjects, then cheese it is. Hmm. Maybe I am feeling a bit peckish?
I agreed with removing the 5th year. Not because it was a bad idea in principle, but because it was flawed in practice.
I went through a 5-year program way back when and still believe it's a good approach.
It's certainly possible to cram those 5 years (or more realistically, parts of those 5 years) into 4, but not without losing something in the process.
As for being flawed in practice, here's something to consider. Here in the US it's long been the case that universities are routinely forced to offer remedial classes in everything from basic literacy and math to things like how to write and essay. Why? Because their freshman students haven't mastered the prerequisites of university level classes. Or put more simply, students didn't learn what they were supposed to learn in high school.
I view elimination of 5-year or similarly enhanced programs as a race to the bottom where the buck gets conveniently passed to someone else. How many grade schools, for example, are forced to provide clean clothes, a hot meal and even counseling to their students so they can focus on their schoolwork? Is the grade school approach flawed in practice?
Somewhere in the range of $0 to $312,421.24, before adjusting for inflation and whatnot?
Getting to Chernobyl isn't the overwhelming task of mental fortitude and endurance most of these 'reporters' want you to think it is. You go to Kiev, you spend 40 - 80USD, and you get taken there. It's very official, it's very routine, and you get an interesting experience from it. And a delicious meal at the end of it..
Never been to the Ukraine, but according to what I saw in Everything Is Illuminated, hiring a driver for a sight-seeing excursion to Trochenbrod is ineed an interesting experience. ;-) I'd imagine what's portrayed in the movie is probably as informative and authentic as the photographs in the article, but a helluvalot more fun to watch.
Well, they look real enough. Hell, did you notice? They're printed! Today, I'd bet documentation would be more along the lines of:
For "People Who Enjoy Pointless Comparisons", how man sequels of Happy Feet does that work out?
You are not your job. You are not your footwear. You are not your grande latte. You are not your gods-damned expensive, shiny toy from yet-another-corporation. Now please, for your own dignity and my sanity STOP IT, we GET IT, you think you're cool because you bought something that works for you most of the time.
Regrettably, they are.
In a consumerist culture, people define their identities by the products they buy. Novel and fun to be sure, but invariably shallow.