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Volcanic Ash Heading Towards North America
chocomilko writes "St. John's International Airport, the easternmost airport in Canada, has begun canceling flights due to worries of ash from Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano, leaving travelers stranded after the weekend's Juno awards festival. Early reports stated that there was a 30% chance ash would reach the island by early Monday; Air Canada has issued an all-day travel advisory. A thick blanket of fog currently covering the city isn't helping matters, either."
This is all Saddam's fault, trying to escape from Hell and head back to Canada.
Ireland's airspace as well as Englands, France, Germany, Finland etc all closed at present and has been since before the weekend, lots of people stuck in other countrys unable to get home and are trying any means available to try and get home. US/Canada will really feel it if the same thing happens. ....and people think we're not all connected in the world :)
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On another note: this must be giving the climatologists some awesome data!
RIP America
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That just sucks ash... eh?
Finally. All Canucks & Americans who laughed at us Europeans now get to experience how nice it is: no hassle, quiet skies, no contrails, stay-at-home and work -- or be stranded in interesting cities at your bosses' expenses !
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It's Eyjafjallajökull. I barely knew which volcano you were talking about.
Looks far on a map. Actually pretty close.
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it's their turn.
This was overheard in London:
The English Banker to the Icelandic representative for Kaupthing Bank:
We said we wanted CASH... not ash!
Tell your friends about xenu.net
And Leon's getting laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarger!
If this situation unfolds for Canada / North America as it has done for Europe, they may wish to revise their means of communicating cancellations to passengers. The 'marker pen on a whiteboard' technique may be suitable for a handful of flights at a small regional airport but doesn't scale very well once an entire continent's airspace has been closed. Also, the hand-drawn "Sorry" with a sad face next to each flight number will start to take on a somewhat patronising tone.
"The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8629241.stm
How 'bout you?
Bet you're feeling real good about driving that Prius designed to be oh-so-gentle on Mother Gaia, ain'tcha?
Meanwhile, the belch from one unpronounceable volcano wipes out the cumulative effort from all of mankind over the past hundred years to purify the water and soil, and dwarfs all of our species' feeble, amateurish efforts to pollute them in the first place.
Gimme a rainforest, a chainsaw, and a case of Red Bull. It's Payback Time!
Stopping flights, all over Europe? Pull the other one, mate. It's got bells on it. This is another dubious modeling outcome from the MET's GIGO simulations.
There was only one source that managed to stop the entire air-traffic in Europe. It was a mere computer simulation that came from the same jerks who are trying to convience the public of the CO2-scam since years.
The British MET-office took some data from the first hours(!)of the outbrak -- proceeded with their usual "gigo" (garbage in -- garbage out) -- and made one of their usual "predictions" -- that rarely turns out to be reality.
During all those next days this first data-set never got adapted, updated with actual data or even checked again.
Yesterday some European airline-managers were beginning to smell the rat and undertook first test-flights -- where they experienced no harm at all.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
send in (up) the clowns. nowhere to go really, or to hide.
Looks like Katla's getting ready to blow too
http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/locals-believe-katla-volcano-in-iceland-near-eyjafjallajokull-will-erupt-in-seven-days/
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Uumellmahaye ?
..chance or risk?
If we in the US have this problem, it's means renting a car to get home and all the hassles with dealing with that - our passenger rail is a complete joke outside of the North East corridor.
RIP America
July 4, 1776 - September 11, 2001
I say we invade Iceland under an illegal carbon emissions pretext. They are obviously trying to import their toxic culture to the rest of the world.
driving into st. johns from mainland newfoundland (st. johns is on a peninsula) you experience, in the span of about 15 minutes time: downpour of hard rain, then blissful sunshine, then deep fog, then heavy snow, then overcast clouds
the deeper observation is that weather is so fickle in the north atlantic latitudes, that the wind can and will shift back and forth from canada/ europe plenty of times throughout the weeks that this volcanoe blows
the downside is that you never know what will be canceled when or for how long
the upside is that you are still going to get to travel somewhere after a smallish delay (as opposed to canceled flights for weeks on end)
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Since when is the Maple Leaf the symbol of North America? Does it have something to do with the value of the dollar? The country with the highest valued dollar has its flag tagged as North American symbol?
Or is it simply that the title of the story should have been "Volcanic Ash Heading Towards New Foundland, Canada"?
It's the only way to be sure.
Just don't try to take off from the UK, western Europe, or (soon) Eastern Canada.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9
A volcano, in ICELAND? Tell me another one. Everybody knows that volcanoes are only in warm places like Hawaii.
Hmmm, nope. The jet stream goes west to east in the northern hemisphere.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
A few more strong eruptions like this in different regions around the world, and there'll be enough ash in the sky to knock the temperature down a little bit. Global Warming is solved!
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Kind of like everyone blamed Bush for anything that happened in the previous 8 years? Including a few hurricanes?
No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina. Just for sitting on his ass when it hit, for appointing unqualified and flagrantly incompetent butt-buddies, excuse me, political henchmen to run FEMA, and for deliberately underfunding and eviscerating FEMA and nearly every other non-military federal agency in order to deliberately make them incapable of carrying out their mandate. Which worked brilliantly in his war against "big government", until we actually needed that government to rescue tens of thousands of people.
Then we got our act together, at many times the expense, and with many times the casualties, than it would have entailed if a competent president had appointed a competent leader of FEMA, and not gutted the agency of funds and logistical support.
And yes, everyone (except the hard-core right) quite correctly blames him for that. And the illegal war he started, and the financial implosion that was a direct result of Republican lassaiz-faire bank regulation (and which the Republicans are trying to continue today by filibustering any meaningful bank reform).
It's bad enough they do these things and then try to make us feel bad for pointing out the error of their ways. It's even more disburbing how utterly incapable of learning from their mistakes, and correcting their ways, these idealogues are. They'd rather be stubbornly wrong regardless of the evidence, than have a hint of flip-flopping on an issue(what most of the rest of us would call "correcting a mistake")
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the iceland economy, that died in 2008, stipulated in its last wishes that its ashes be spread over europe
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The first sentence: "Fears receded Monday that the fallout from Iceland’s volcanic eruption would disrupt flights within North America."
Here's a good, up-to-date list of eruptions in 2010. Updated fairly frequently, so it should give travelers a little insight before it hits the main media.
Here's an interesting animation of the dispersal from Denmarks's weather service: island_vulcano6000.gif
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And while you're at it, stop using "America" to refer to only one country within America!
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I'm just waiting now for Fox/Glen Beck,etc to blame Obama in some way for this.....
Rush Limbaugh FTW
the 2 other major countries in north america are currently in pandemonium, experiencing
1. insurrection by narcoterrorist drug mafia and
2. insurrection by antigovernment mindless zealots, respectively
(to seriously answer your question, the maple leaf symbolizes canada, which is affected by the volcano, not the usa)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I've just got home (Monday 14:00 GMT) having left a conference (the international liver forum) in Vienna on Saturday 15:00 GMT. A train to Munich, folllowed by a overnight train to amsterdam, Ferry from Amsterdam to Newcastle (England), Train from Newcastle to Glasgow (Scotland). 7,500 people at the conference and major difficulties for those from the states (about 700) trying to get home - some bussed south to Rome, which subsequently also closed. If this hits the US significantly expect major disruption, Bummer is I'm supposed to be flying to Houston on Saturday to visit a friend.
Sorry, just had to -- I'm a hoser.
Thought thinks itself.
Canada - leading the world in being just north of the USA.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
That graphic is actually another code for Canadian -- it's a Canadian Tire.
Thought thinks itself.
Tell that to Mt. Tambora.
(ok, he had some help)
This is coming from a VERY bored traveler!
I always thought the wind (on a global scale) moves from the West to the East.
Wouldn't the ash from an Icelandic volcano reach Alaska long before St. John, and then only after going halfway around the planet over Northern Europe and Russia?
Wait... he's not? If Bush could cause Katrina, I'm pretty sure the insidious Obama administration is capable of causing a volcano to erupt. It's part of his plan for global domination dontcha know.
I don't believe in karma, I just call it like I see it.
We'll see who's Eyjafjallajoking when it reaches us.
Personally, I'm having fun with the pronunciation. Especially since every Icelander seems to have their own way of saying it. I'm going with eya-love-a-jock-itch.
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Kind of like everyone blamed Bush for anything that happened in the previous 8 years? Including a few hurricanes?
No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina. Just for sitting on his ass when it hit, for appointing unqualified and flagrantly incompetent butt-buddies, excuse me, political henchmen to run FEMA, and for deliberately underfunding and eviscerating FEMA and nearly every other non-military federal agency in order to deliberately make them incapable of carrying out their mandate. Which worked brilliantly in his war against "big government", until we actually needed that government to rescue tens of thousands of people.
Then we got our act together, at many times the expense, and with many times the casualties, than it would have entailed if a competent president had appointed a competent leader of FEMA, and not gutted the agency of funds and logistical support.
And yes, everyone (except the hard-core right) quite correctly blames him for that. And the illegal war he started, and the financial implosion that was a direct result of Republican lassaiz-faire bank regulation (and which the Republicans are trying to continue today by filibustering any meaningful bank reform).
It's bad enough they do these things and then try to make us feel bad for pointing out the error of their ways. It's even more disburbing how utterly incapable of learning from their mistakes, and correcting their ways, these idealogues are. They'd rather be stubbornly wrong regardless of the evidence, than have a hint of flip-flopping on an issue(what most of the rest of us would call "correcting a mistake")
Regardless of whether or not the head of FEMA was qualified, what is FEMA's purpose? They are an "emergency" management agency. Louisiana and the city of New Orleans asked them to wait to come down.
The mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana should take most or all of the blame for damages and injuries incurred during that hurricane. Hurricanes happen. New Orleans is below sea level. Katrina was a hurricane. It was heading towards New Orleans. And yet no one ordered an evacuation of the city until the storm was just hours away?
Likewise, why were out-of-state contractors hired to work on the cleanup and rebuilding? Excluding folks like myself who volunteered to go work there with aid teams like the Red Cross, Samaritan's Purse, etc, why were local folks not hired? Sure, some of them were unqualified to build bridges. But how qualified do you ave to be to take a shovel and muck-out a building?
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Don't Worry, it was all a bunch of hot air: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/volcanic-cloud-fears-lift-canadian-airspace-remains-open/article1539013/
The ash isn't coming until Monday, but they're (we're) cancelling flights now....
sounds suspiciously like us Canadians keeping people with money and credit cards against their will....
muuhaahaahaa...
THIS IS HOW CANADIANS KEEP THEIR ECONOMY STRONG, EH!!!
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Game on! http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/04/19/nl-flights-resume-419.html
for a resurgence in trans-atlantic cruise ships?
or would a modern incarnation be just as cramped and overpriced as planes have become?
That stupid country is costing the world economy BILLIONS with their stupid volcanoes. Can't they just pour some snow or ice into the volcano and cool it off? WTF is the point in calling yourself Iceland if you don't have enough ice to do that?
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
For those of you wondering, it's pronounced: Eh-ya-fyat-la-yuh-cuttle (the name of the volcano, Eyjafjallajokull)
And why is it I don't hear either side giving any real consideration to a reinstatement of Glass-Steagall? No, they want to give the power and responsibility to the FED. The very institution at the heart of the matter which also didn't see it all coming. All the talk of regulation reform is just moving deck chairs on the Titanic.
DON'T let the little fact that FEMA can't actually go in and do anything if the Governer doesn't ask for it. hope that doesn't cause you any problems with your statement, or the facts that there were hundreds of trucks and workers just WAITING at the state border to help actually change anything. - YOU just keep blaiming who you want.
And back on topic, the Brit. Navy is actually sending two warships over to the US to pick up people. I think that's pretty impressive.
I don't think so. The British Navy is sending ships to Spain to help transport stranded passengers from there to the UK. Brits in the US still have to get to Spain.
This is a point people want to gloss over. Blind hatred for Bush has fomented ignorance of the worse kind. Wanna know why we lag in education? Idiots who believe shit like this. These are the same ingrates who voted Nagin back into office. Frankly, they need another hurricane.
Can we blame the LHC yet?
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Rush Limbaugh suggested it's punishment for passing health-care reform. Is Pat Robertson on vacation or something?
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this stuff will help fertilize farmland, won't it?
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Iceland IS a warm place, haven't you ever heard of their hot springs?
If you're looking for a cold place, try Greenland..
You're just angry because Bush's decisions are affecting you directly. If you were a multi-millionaire who'd received the tip about failing mortgage markets, you'd be praising our ex-President. It's not his fault you're poor.
(I am, of course, totally kidding.)
No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina
Actually, they did. A lot of people said the Government, under Bush, used some sort of weather modification/seismic device in Alaska to change the weather patterns and push the storm directly towards New Orleans - because Bush and the Republicats hateses the Blacks.
Or some such rot. It was even on major broadcast a number of times in passing, and in quite a few printed sources.
Also, a lot of your statements are a bit out of whack. FEMA's funding was cut directly, but they assumed a much larger budget of control: they were placed in control of emergency coordination, not so much being on the ground themselves. This was somewhat difficult on account of the "on the ground" locals being complete dipshits and insisting everything was OK prior to the storm, even though it was not. It took time to respond because they needed to bring in help from outside, as can be expected.
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They'd rather be stubbornly wrong regardless of the evidence, than have a hint of flip-flopping on an issue(what most of the rest of us would call "correcting a mistake")
Maybe it's because "correcting a mistake" gets them accused of flip-flopping and breaking their promises.
They really can't win, you know.
....and the financial implosion that was a direct result of Republican lassaiz-faire bank regulation (and which the Republicans are trying to continue today by filibustering any meaningful bank reform).
If you think the economic downturn is solely a Republican problem, you really need to get out more. I won't deny the harm Bush caused, he was a moron to the highest degree. But to place the blame on any one party is foolish at best.
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, signed by Clinton and proposed by Phil Gramm(R), allowed commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies to consolidate. Without it the disastrous derivatives mess could not have happened, because regulated banks with access to The Fed window, not to mention FDIC depositor protection, could not have engaged in derivative trades. GLBA was nothing more or less than a license to loot this nation.
One example of many. You're getting screwed no matter which side of the coin is face up.
No one is to blame for the eruption of a volcano but the stopping of air traffic can be blamed on government fearmongering. The airspace closings were entirely based on computer models, which according to every test flight taken by major air carriers in the past few days, has been proven to be completely wrong.
British Airways, Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Air France-KLM Group all said today that airspace restrictions should be lifted, citing test flights into the ash cloud that showed no sign of impairment to aircraft performance. About 81,000 services have been canceled since the Eyjafjallajökull volcano erupted on April 14, spewing dust that could cause jet engines to fail by melting and then congealing in the turbines.
“These decisions were based on theoretical models,” International Air Transport Association Chief Executive Officer Giovanni Bisignani said today in Paris. “But the losses and chaos are not theoretical. When in a few weeks this situation is solved it will be a very embarrassing story for Europe.”
Hopefully, our government officials in North America won't make the same mistake.
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"No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina. Just for sitting on his ass when it hit ..."
Oh, come on. That's not really a fair assessment of what he did beforehand. He didn't sit on his ass. He flew to scheduled political events in Arizona (including Senator McCain's birthday) and in Rancho Cucamonga, California on the day that the hurricane hit Louisiana (August 29th).
"Sit on his ass", he did not. He was busy shaking hands, cutting cakes, and talking about Medicare. :-)
No one blamed bush for Hurricane Katrina. Just for sitting on his ass when it hit
What was he supposed to do? He offered the help of the military but the governor of Louisiana declined the assistance. His only option would have been to declare an insurrection in the state and take the state away from the governor (a woman and a democrat - how would that have looked?).
Yeah, you're not going to hear about that from the liberal news media.
It's hard to believe in the day of Obama and company, but there are limits to the power of the federal government.
Why the hell do we need FEMA? Isn't that why we have the largest military (budget) in the world? The National Guard and the Air force should have immediately mobilized to New Orleans just hours after the storm cleared. Supplies should have been air dropped from Dobbins Air Force Base and other nearby bases. The military is organized and equipped. FEMA is just bureaucracy, its better the use the resources at hand.
Browsing at 5 almost every post is some smart ash comment labeled funny. Lame
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No one is to blame for the eruption of a volcano but the stopping of air traffic can be blamed on government fearmongering. The airspace closings were entirely based on computer models, which according to every test flight taken by major air carriers in the past few days, has been proven to be completely wrong.
British Airways, Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Air France-KLM Group all said today that airspace restrictions should be lifted, citing test flights into the ash cloud that showed no sign of impairment to aircraft performance. About 81,000 services have been canceled since the Eyjafjallajökull volcano erupted on April 14, spewing dust that could cause jet engines to fail by melting and then congealing in the turbines.
“These decisions were based on theoretical models,” International Air Transport Association Chief Executive Officer Giovanni Bisignani said today in Paris. “But the losses and chaos are not theoretical. When in a few weeks this situation is solved it will be a very embarrassing story for Europe.”
Hopefully, our government officials in North America won't make the same mistake.
If I were in that position--and I would hope should you be in such a position, too--I would err on the side of caution. I think it's unfounded to call their actions "fearmongering." The models they have are only as good as the data; in the light of this most recent event, the powers that be are bound to have some new data to improve future models.
Or do you honestly believe that the governments of the world, when presented with modeled, scientific information, should disregard it? There'd be an equally large or larger outcry, and I daresay it would be justified.
Why the hell do we need FEMA? Isn't that why we have the largest military (budget) in the world? The National Guard and the Air force should have immediately mobilized to New Orleans just hours after the storm cleared. Supplies should have been air dropped from Dobbins Air Force Base and other nearby bases. The military is organized and equipped. FEMA is just bureaucracy, its better the use the resources at hand.
Well, let's see. The AF isn't funded for it, and isn't trained for it, and is busy fighting wars. If you want to reorganize the govt., that's fine, but the military budget isn't there to pay for natural disasters, that's what FEMA was supposed to do. If that's what you expect, than convince congress to disband FEMA and give their budget to the military for that purpose. Hope that's not "2obvious4u". :-P
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I won't be the first to start them here :-)
Oh no. It's George W Bushes fault for not signing the koyoto treaty.
His failure caused all this Global Warming, which caused a proliferation of gays, which made God angry, which is why we are having all these earthquakes, which caused all of these volcanoes.
It's 2012 all over again!
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
Norway has mostly F-16s.
You may be referring to this incident with Finnish F-18 Hornets vs Ash:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/16/340727/pictures-finnish-f-18-engine-check-reveals-effects-of-volcanic.html
A significant point is that most of the 'damage' was done during GOP controlled Congresses. Yes Clinton was there for some of it, but Bush took massive advantage of a lapdog Congress. So yes, Bush is much more responsible. We still haven't seen all of the ramifications of the last 8 years.
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
From a self professed left wing liberal, I wholeheartedly agree. Why not put something back in place that quite clearly worked well.
Sadly it probably stems from the ego's on both sides, nobody would support simply saying "they were right" instead of putting their brand spanking new plan they wrote themselves* in place.
* for various definitions of self - lobbyist, inside influence, staffer, etc...
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People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Really? Bush, the Prez has unlimited power during wartime guy? Guess what, by their own definition we're in wartime so he's quite clearly allowed to do whatever the hell he wants. - his and his lawyers impression anyway.
You can't claim you can violate the Constitution 'just because' and then claim it prevented you from intervening.
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Its called the Defense Budget for a reason. What do we really need to defend against? Not foreign governments. We haven't needed to defend ourselves against a foreign government since the Cold War. Mad works. All that is left is extremists. What additional training would the military need? They have the best logistics in the world. Did you see the invasion of Iraq on TV. The logistics are amazing. You think if someone dropped a Nuke on one of the US cities that FEMA would be there to restore order? No the military is already set up for it. Who does the biological disaster training? I'm pretty sure it is the National Guard, not FEMA. Besides, look how China handles natural disasters, there military is on top of it and on the scene within hours. They are the only organization with the resources, authority and power to actually do anything in an emergency. There is was no clear chain of command for FEMA pre Katrina and I doubt it has improved that much since. The Coast Guard, National Guard and other parts of the Military are already equipped and trained enough to handle a major disaster, it wouldn't take much additional training in order to move FEMA's responsibilities under some department in the Pentagon. Army bases are all over the world and could be stocked with disaster relief equipment and then quickly and easily mobilized and air dropped to any location in the world.
It is obvious, however buddy political appointments and the status quo keep a lot of obvious and good ideas from ever gaining traction through all the bureaucracy, especially when that means closing down an entire segment of the government. It is really easy to expand government it is almost impossible to retract it.
Test flights have resulted in relatively worrying problems. Those were not computer models. Airspace closures have been enacted on the "better safe than sorry" principal, but would you really want to be the official to stand up to the press if a commercial airliner came down because of this? The airspace closures were absolutely _not_ entirely based on computer models, there is lots of clear evidence there is volcanic ash in the atmosphere over much of northern Europe at the moment.
I'm all for calling the goverment out for nannying when they are, but I'm not sure they are now. Unless you know something no one else in the world does - ie. the extent and density of the volcanic ash, you've got no real basis for assertions of fearmongering.
I would point out that what nailed New Orleans so hard was not Katrina itself but the failure of the levees. The major damage from Katrina itself was east of there in Mississippi. Even if the storm surge had overtopped the levees during Katrina the damage would not have been nearly as much in NO if the levees had held. I don't think the damage to the levees was obvious until noon or so on the day after Katrina passed.
The airspace closings were entirely based on computer models, which according to every test flight taken by major air carriers in the past few days, has been proven to be completely wrong..
Note that according to your link, the models aren't completely wrong, merely erring on the side of caution.
Clouds of ash are hard to spot either on radar or on sat imagery.
Granted it would probably been more scientific to close the airspace based on where the planes started to fall out of the sky but it would probably have pissed off the public even more.
There just isn't any *right* answer to this kind of answer to this kind of russian roulette problem.
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Yes, it's called the defense budget because calling it "offense" would be politically incorrect, but we both digress from the point you originally raised.
Your original argument was that we don't need FEMA and that the AF and National Guard should have acted. And you've made no rational argument that they could have done that job at the time. I pointed that out, and know this topic (as a former Airman, and 28 yr defense contractor) first hand, and will say it one more time for you. The military is not funded, or trained for it. You argued that they do biological disaster training...yes, everyone gets "NBC" training, which is in no way appropriate for anything like what happened in Katrina.
So again, if you want the military to do these functions, it's going to take more than someone saying "make it so"...much, much more.
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True, failure of levees caused much of the damage. And how long had the Army Corps of Engineers been wanting to fix/upgrade those, but the local and state governments either a) wouldn't allow it, or b) funding was directed elsewhere?
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