I wish that someone would make a game of this... where you need to send up a vehicle, bump and asteroid and watch the change. Give us all a chance to crowd source the various "solutions". Learn just how friggin tricky this would be, how long it would take, how little effect we can have. All of this talk about "capturing this asteroid" on this thread alone is sad. The amount of energy in an asteroid's kinetics is astounding. This topic needs a dose of realism.
two things... Why the Missile Shield only covered the top.
My dad worked in Nuclear Fuel Supply, and I learned how arduous the process can be, and lengthy. But I also waited with bated breath for the Midland plant:( to come online... 1972 was the date in "Our Friend, the Atom", a comic book produced to educate the youth like me.
And even then, I wondered... Why they don't make them essentially the same... like the Saturn V. I still wonder.
I also wonder how many anti-nuke activists are wishing that they'd kept their mouths shut and given us a fighting chance with carbon emissions. Or how many are driving SUVs.
I did a simulation of the Cassini flyby. It came so close to the earth that you saw NOTHING for a while. That 'nothing' was the dark side of the earth. That was like grabbing the beer off the back bumper.
Ride a motorcycle at 60 MPH and careen in front of a car doing 50 MPH from right to left, with a free beer sitting just above the right headlight. Keep your eye on the front of the car as you approach and after you pass. Grab the free beer as you slide by, just miss getting hit by the car.
That is the same as the relative positions of this simulation.
One can download Celestia and make your own simlation! It's not rocket science. It's not, it's astrophysics, and some astronomy math to get the orbit to work. But there is enough data on the net to recreate this... and then tweak it for the earth shattering kaboom!
I wish that someone would make a game of this... where you need to send up a vehicle, bump and asteroid and watch the change. Give us all a chance to crowd source the various "solutions". Learn just how friggin tricky this would be, how long it would take, how little effect we can have. All of this talk about "capturing this asteroid" on this thread alone is sad. The amount of energy in an asteroid's kinetics is astounding. This topic needs a dose of realism.
I'm all about technological advancement. But what KIND of science will we develop in 500 years?
Some quantum beam fired from the reflector of a starship which can cause magma to crystallize on cue? (Like Superman's crystals?)
some LHC generator which can re-distribute the energy of the magma across several universes?
Time travel to go back an stop the Caldera 640KY ago?
This is not some dark energy thing. This is pretty low science. Heat, energy, melting points, volume. I don't think Moore's Law applies here. Whatever we might develop then should be developed now. Or else, it's just too freaking large scale. Better to develop sensors to monitor, and political alteration beams to figure out how to survive as a race. THAT's a technology which might take 500 years to reach beta.
You can conceptualize this by considering another star in the distance. Two adjacent gravity wells. Your BD is either
In Sol's Well: moving slowly and close enough to be orbiting Sol
In the Other Star's Well: Moving slowly and close enough to be orbiting the other star.
moving too fast to be bound (over escape velocity) with either star and is careening past them both.
You can picture a spot between two stars where the BD might teeter if it were standing still. It's not. Whereever that inflexion point is, it is close to the 'limit of being bound' of which you speak.
I'm... I'm sorry... I was in a hurry. I fully accept responsibility, but I ask Lord Taco to have mercy on me. PLEASE do not revoke my Slashdot ID. I'll do anything! I'll watch the ENTIRE Star Wars Christmas Special AND the Muppet Show featuring Mark Hamill and Chewbacca.
I swear, IT won't happen again. IT is the last time IT shall happen.
To do any useful science that hasn't already been done requires money. Money carries an agenda. Scientists who work for sponsors, including foundations, oil companies or even governments AND who disagree with the predispositions of the above are soon out of money, out of work, out of science.
"You've never worked in the real world... they expect RESULTS!" -- Dr. Peter Venkman
Therefore, the "tolerance stackup", a polite word for 'fudging data' will lean in the direction of the benefactor.
If this statement is not the truth, it is certainly the perception. Convince the masses that the scientists are not supporting the suppositions of the sponsors and maybe they will trust the science again. Start by convincing me.
If you've ever seen a rocket launch around sunrise or sunset, this is pretty obviously one of them. It should be a piece of cake to figure out the azimuth of this picture and deduce from where it was launched.
But if you move in "Wacko Christian Right" circles (your phrase, not mine)
I moved out of those circles, but I still visit once in a while. The food is tasty!
I'm sure you are correct for a portion of the populace of faith who "want to live in the end times".
But I think an overwhelming preponderance is that they/we perceive that many of the element necessary to fulfill an "end times" are in place. Conversely, the elements in place are not sustainable, and anything which is not sustainable eventually ends. Who was the Great Prophet who said "Everything that has a beginning has an end." Oh, wait, that was one of the Matrix movies. sorry:">
This biometric database, be it MotB or not, is similar to what end timers expect. And they may be right. Time will tell, only too late.
In 1994, a card-carrying skeptic told me that any "Mark of the Beast" (MotB) technology would NEVER come to pass because of the outcry that it was MotB Technology. His logic was that since everyone could see the prophecy of this type of people-control technology, including a unique database identity key and other well-known (now) DBA actions, that people would RESIST the fulfillment of the prophecy. Thus, the prophecy would be annulled by the fact that it was foreknown by a casual reader.
Ok, so... Where is it? Where is the outcry? With the potential for abuse reaching BIBLICAL proportions, who is resisting? The Wacko Christian Right (Of which you would consider me). It seems that the prophecy which this parallels would (if fulfilled) impact the Israelis the most. So, why are they doing it? Peace and Security? Oh, that's in the prophecy as well.
Look, I'm not saying this is Revelation 13:18 per se. It could be, it could NOT be. Who can know? IF IT IS... where is the outcry? All of us database/hAx0r/geek types can see this is a "bad" idea in and of its own merits. But if you tack on the potential to fulfill the best known end-times/Antichrist prophecy, shouldn't the world be shuddering in its collective shoes?
The display on NCC-1701x that shows several ships and a Space Shuttle prototype is now inaccurate... unless Gary Seven sabotages the Virgin craft... hmmm....
Much of the Book of the Revelation has things falling out of the sky onto the Earth.
and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea.
and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky...the name of the star is Wormwood.
and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss
(AND EARTHQUAKES) No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake... Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found.
mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will. I've been working for many years on a novel which uses a rogue planet (a la Leiber's Pail of Air) to bring about all of the signs of the Apocalypse. The scariest part is that it could. You don't need faith to understand Revelation, you need a degree in Astrophysics.
Maybe. But most jobs require people to be there, and those of us who support those people must "be there", too.
Anything which helps the commuters is welcome. Even if I don't use the train thingy, I'll have 8 people under the control of a highly-skilled, licensed driver. AND NOT in "texting while driving partial control" of their vehicle. THAT is an improvement.
At least from the "perception" angle. This is NOT the impulse engines from Star Trek. You can't limp to another star system on it. It doesn't fit nicely into the back of the saucer.
Having an efficient engine is great (when it gets here), but having 10-fold better efficiency mean you need ONLY 1/10 the amount of propellant. Propellant to accelerate you "halfway", propellant to decelerate you halfway... OK, then more propellant to accelerate you back home, then more to decelerate you as you approach earth. And that "few hundred newtons of thrust" won't accelerate/brake the ship very quickly.
You are still talking a Saturn V worth of Argon to get you to Mars and back. Think about 2001's Discovery. That spine was propellant tanks. Full.
How are you going to lift the ship? Space elevator?
And I haven't even asked how you are going insert back into earth orbit. Atmospheric re-entry from the Moon was very tricky. And we were only falling from 1/4 million miles.
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I quoted myself. Saved a click and the risk of a Rickroll.
I wish that someone would make a game of this... where you need to send up a vehicle, bump and asteroid and watch the change. Give us all a chance to crowd source the various "solutions". Learn just how friggin tricky this would be, how long it would take, how little effect we can have. All of this talk about "capturing this asteroid" on this thread alone is sad. The amount of energy in an asteroid's kinetics is astounding. This topic needs a dose of realism.
Make it so!
two things... Why the Missile Shield only covered the top.
:( to come online... 1972 was the date in "Our Friend, the Atom", a comic book produced to educate the youth like me.
My dad worked in Nuclear Fuel Supply, and I learned how arduous the process can be, and lengthy. But I also waited with bated breath for the Midland plant
And even then, I wondered... Why they don't make them essentially the same... like the Saturn V. I still wonder.
I also wonder how many anti-nuke activists are wishing that they'd kept their mouths shut and given us a fighting chance with carbon emissions. Or how many are driving SUVs.
Add a slash to the URL, so that it's MyCongressmanIsNuts.com/Grayson. Repeat 434 times, once for each congressman.
Fixed that for ya.
I did a simulation of the Cassini flyby. It came so close to the earth that you saw NOTHING for a while. That 'nothing' was the dark side of the earth. That was like grabbing the beer off the back bumper.
Moonfall by Jack McDevitt. Also some SyFy presentation of EarthStorm.
Ride a motorcycle at 60 MPH and careen in front of a car doing 50 MPH from right to left, with a free beer sitting just above the right headlight. Keep your eye on the front of the car as you approach and after you pass. Grab the free beer as you slide by, just miss getting hit by the car.
That is the same as the relative positions of this simulation.
One can download Celestia and make your own simlation! It's not rocket science. It's not, it's astrophysics, and some astronomy math to get the orbit to work. But there is enough data on the net to recreate this... and then tweak it for the earth shattering kaboom!
I wish that someone would make a game of this... where you need to send up a vehicle, bump and asteroid and watch the change. Give us all a chance to crowd source the various "solutions". Learn just how friggin tricky this would be, how long it would take, how little effect we can have. All of this talk about "capturing this asteroid" on this thread alone is sad. The amount of energy in an asteroid's kinetics is astounding. This topic needs a dose of realism.
A POX on Bruce Wyllis!
This is not some dark energy thing. This is pretty low science. Heat, energy, melting points, volume. I don't think Moore's Law applies here. Whatever we might develop then should be developed now. Or else, it's just too freaking large scale. Better to develop sensors to monitor, and political alteration beams to figure out how to survive as a race. THAT's a technology which might take 500 years to reach beta.
You can picture a spot between two stars where the BD might teeter if it were standing still. It's not. Whereever that inflexion point is, it is close to the 'limit of being bound' of which you speak.
I'll wait 5 Revs for Nexus Six. Ok, I might settle for the Verizon Pris.
...it's hard to read on my iPhone while driving!
I'm... I'm sorry... I was in a hurry. I fully accept responsibility, but I ask Lord Taco to have mercy on me. PLEASE do not revoke my Slashdot ID. I'll do anything! I'll watch the ENTIRE Star Wars Christmas Special AND the Muppet Show featuring Mark Hamill and Chewbacca.
I swear, IT won't happen again. IT is the last time IT shall happen.
"You've never worked in the real world... they expect RESULTS!" -- Dr. Peter Venkman
Therefore, the "tolerance stackup", a polite word for 'fudging data' will lean in the direction of the benefactor.
If this statement is not the truth, it is certainly the perception. Convince the masses that the scientists are not supporting the suppositions of the sponsors and maybe they will trust the science again. Start by convincing me.
http://gfx.nrk.no/YOYD2X1CgNBSeaPse9LjVwT6ymkkphv7Q7x0aibAWJwg.jpg
If you've ever seen a rocket launch around sunrise or sunset, this is pretty obviously one of them. It should be a piece of cake to figure out the azimuth of this picture and deduce from where it was launched.
Case closed. Next...
http://gfx.nrk.no/YOYD2X1CgNBSeaPse9LjVwT6ymkkphv7Q7x0aibAWJwg.jpg
as evidenced by the trail from over the horizon. Note the wind shear... Sorry, Russia. Denial denied!
But if you move in "Wacko Christian Right" circles (your phrase, not mine)
I moved out of those circles, but I still visit once in a while. The food is tasty!
:">
I'm sure you are correct for a portion of the populace of faith who "want to live in the end times".
But I think an overwhelming preponderance is that they/we perceive that many of the element necessary to fulfill an "end times" are in place. Conversely, the elements in place are not sustainable, and anything which is not sustainable eventually ends. Who was the Great Prophet who said "Everything that has a beginning has an end." Oh, wait, that was one of the Matrix movies. sorry
This biometric database, be it MotB or not, is similar to what end timers expect. And they may be right. Time will tell, only too late.
In 1994, a card-carrying skeptic told me that any "Mark of the Beast" (MotB) technology would NEVER come to pass because of the outcry that it was MotB Technology. His logic was that since everyone could see the prophecy of this type of people-control technology, including a unique database identity key and other well-known (now) DBA actions, that people would RESIST the fulfillment of the prophecy. Thus, the prophecy would be annulled by the fact that it was foreknown by a casual reader.
Ok, so... Where is it? Where is the outcry? With the potential for abuse reaching BIBLICAL proportions, who is resisting? The Wacko Christian Right (Of which you would consider me). It seems that the prophecy which this parallels would (if fulfilled) impact the Israelis the most. So, why are they doing it? Peace and Security? Oh, that's in the prophecy as well.
Look, I'm not saying this is Revelation 13:18 per se. It could be, it could NOT be. Who can know? IF IT IS... where is the outcry? All of us database/hAx0r/geek types can see this is a "bad" idea in and of its own merits. But if you tack on the potential to fulfill the best known end-times/Antichrist prophecy, shouldn't the world be shuddering in its collective shoes?
Are we?
What did Henry Ford do before he changed everything?
The display on NCC-1701x that shows several ships and a Space Shuttle prototype is now inaccurate... unless Gary Seven sabotages the Virgin craft... hmmm....
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will. I've been working for many years on a novel which uses a rogue planet (a la Leiber's Pail of Air) to bring about all of the signs of the Apocalypse. The scariest part is that it could. You don't need faith to understand Revelation, you need a degree in Astrophysics.
Maybe. But most jobs require people to be there, and those of us who support those people must "be there", too.
Anything which helps the commuters is welcome. Even if I don't use the train thingy, I'll have 8 people under the control of a highly-skilled, licensed driver. AND NOT in "texting while driving partial control" of their vehicle. THAT is an improvement.
i was going to start a "temporary service utilizing various primates for various tasks." My motto?
There's an APE for that.
People are supposed to TEST this stuff first!?
Did he forget the Sarcasm Mark ~, or does he not know about it?
At least from the "perception" angle. This is NOT the impulse engines from Star Trek. You can't limp to another star system on it. It doesn't fit nicely into the back of the saucer.
Having an efficient engine is great (when it gets here), but having 10-fold better efficiency mean you need ONLY 1/10 the amount of propellant. Propellant to accelerate you "halfway", propellant to decelerate you halfway... OK, then more propellant to accelerate you back home, then more to decelerate you as you approach earth. And that "few hundred newtons of thrust" won't accelerate/brake the ship very quickly.
You are still talking a Saturn V worth of Argon to get you to Mars and back. Think about 2001's Discovery. That spine was propellant tanks. Full.
How are you going to lift the ship? Space elevator?
And I haven't even asked how you are going insert back into earth orbit. Atmospheric re-entry from the Moon was very tricky. And we were only falling from 1/4 million miles.