I pretty much agree with everything you say - but RAF Menwith Hill is a bad link; only security is provided by the MoD - the actual site and all the sooper-seekrit spy stuff is run by the US Air Force...
Mind you, my understanding of Echelon is that it's a great way to bypass annoying local laws; Canada spies on US citizens and passes the intel to the US, Australia spies on Kiwis for the NZ government, Menwith Hill spies on British citizens - all nice and clean and local intelligence agencies don't get their hands dirty spying on their own citizens.
communism-the-economic-model absent totalitarianism-the-political model has been tried - successfully - at least twice: in Anarcho-Communist sections of Spain during the Civil War, and in Ukraine (again by anarchists) in the early 1920s. Both times the eventual failure was brought about not by economic collapse but by... totalitarianism. The Red Army defeated Nestor Markov's Black Army in Ukraine, and the Red Army's paymasters in the CPSU and the pro-Moscow CP of Spain crushed the "fascists" in the anarchist unions in Spain.
Your uninformed outlook makes you a perfect target for capitalist brainwashing.;)
Since anarchists believe in freedom there's little they can do to prevent non-anarchists claiming to be anarchists, though 99% of anarchists share your view that "anarcho capitalism" is an oxymoron - just like there's little that Christians could do to stop me calling myself a "Christian atheist"[1]. To be fair, though, even "anarcho capitalists" would think this idea - "intellectual property", and laws to protect it - is ridiculous, and this topic redundant.
[1] I am not now, nor have I ever been, a "Christian Atheist". I am, however, a syndicalist and consequently have some interest in anarchism.
Kind of... the Red Cross (as a humanitarian symbol) has been in use since the 1860s. Johnson & Johnson started using the symbol in the 1880s, and trademarked it in 1905. Although the symbol is protected by international law US law made an exception for Johnson & Johnson as they had trademarked it before the US got round to passing a law to protect the humanitarian use of the symbol.
I'm not hugely impressed with the ARC licensing the internationally recognised and protected humanitarian symbol to anyone but let's not kid ourselves that J&J are some sort of martyr here - back in the late 1880s they saw an opportunity to exploit a respected symbol before the law changed to prevent it.
It's pretty cold of J&J to try this; not because they're legally wrong (which, from TFA, was found to be the case in court) but because morally it's chutzpah.
>Cable customers get phone and internet without even going near BT.
Not every area has cable. Until last year I lived in deepest, darkest Glasgow (a small hamlet in Scotland). We couldn't get cable in our area (another part of Glasgow I lived in previously got NTL cable). Interestingly, Cable & Wireless had a call-centre just down the road from us; a friend of mine worked there and said that neither C+W or NTL had any intention to roll out more cable to "old" areas; they were consolidating and the only new connections would be to newbuild apartments.
>they're not cheap and has been mentioned service is fucking gash (yes I dialled 13 different numbers in one day just to get me away from them).
Pah, that's nothing! I spent 2 hours in a queue once when I was moving to a new house with cable (in the NTL area mentioned above) and wanted to be rid of BT forever. Eventually I got to the top of the queue, and they dropped me back to the start. Long after I'd moved - having settled my bill completely - they sent me a final demand for line-rental for the 3 months *after* I'd moved; I sent them a shitty letter back, and bizarrely they sent *me* a cheque... I have no idea why they suddenly decided they owed me money.
Possibly replying to a troll (the mod-gods think so anyway), but here goes...
I last visited Cuba about 6 years ago, and took a laptop and a couple of large - for 2002 - thumbdrives. The Cuban customs official noticed them, casually asked how much capacity they had, then carried on about her business. Maybe customs would pay more attention now, but 6 years ago they didn't seem to care about laptops, USB drives, CD-ROMs (blank or full of data), cameras, books (including a critical biography of Karl Marx by a conservative biographer), or pretty much anything else I was bringing in.
...And before the oh-so-obvious remark that I was a tourist and wouldn't be able to pass my potentially subversive material to real Cubans - Cuban tourist resorts aren't golden prisons. I wandered around the town I was staying in (sorry, forgotten the name, somewhere on the North East), I wandered around Havana, I spoke to random people about random nonsense. I had ample opportunity to pass someone a USB drive. In hindsight, I should have done... though the 64MB I had back then would probably be ridiculed by even a Cuban these days...
No, he's saying (a) he didn't "write anything" on the page once the relationship began, and (b) far from being up to other "editors to catch it", he asked other editors to take over his work on the page.
He stopped (or claims to, you could check the page history yourself) editing the page. I'm not sure *how* you managed to interpret the summary (particularly the Wales' quote - "I passed along my work to date for other editors to deal with, and I recused myself from the case") so badly - I appreciate that, this being Slashdot, you didn't do anything so radical as actually, you know, RTFA.
This idea is good in theory, but falls apart if the late-comer has checked in baggage already. The airline won't take off carrying baggage for an absent passenger (in case the absent passenger is absent to avoid being blown up), so if they prevent the late-comer from boarding they then have to remove his baggage. Which takes forever.
I've been offloaded from a plane back to the departure lounge before because it takes so long to find one absent passenger's baggage it's kinder to the passengers to offload them. Conversely, when I was flying frequently during the 80s (during various terrorist alerts involving Libya and the Provisional IRA) I knew that - provided my baggage was checked in - I could play arcade games until the tannoy got *really* annoying. My fellow passengers probably hated me for it, but I was an annoying teenager and Marble Madness was rad;-)
D00d, I luv the way you say "Linuzz" instead on "Linux", and "Abble" instead of "Apple" (even if I don't really get "Abble") but you missed the obvious and oh-so-original "Open Sores" line that cracks me up everytime.
Back on topic, Google have already done this, Celestia have already done this (and Celestia is free software - sorry, "open sores"), so what's *not* to bash about Microsoft (damn, that should be M$) arriving late to the party? What does Microsoft bring to the party that we don't already have - in spades - already? Fanbois?
I know, I shouldn't feed the troll, but it was so cute, sitting there under the bridge...
In the UK there used to an agency called "Customs and Excise". They - unlike the police - carried guns on operations, they didn't trust or liaise with the police, and they normally didn't need a search warrant to carry out raids. The government decided that they weren't powerful enough, and merged them with... drumroll... the Inland Revenue!
> If you're going to chide a company for putting out a shitty document, at least have the balls to use some real language when you do it.
> Is it a lie? then call it a lie! "half truths" my ass.
You mean like this?
And the statement "Julius Baer's sole objective has always been limited to the removal of these private and legally protected documents from the website" means either that a) they're lying, b) they really did think that wiping WikiLeaks.org from the DNS records of the Net would only remove those 'inauthentic' documents they're so concerned about, or c) they're lying.
I'm betting on a and c. How about you?
Looks to me like the article accuses Bank Julius Baer of... lying.
No, they aren't confusing copyrights and patents. Read what they said, read what they're replying to, then engage your brain.
> > we can outwait patents, which only last 20 years...
> That's part of the problem. With the way things are now people are getting patents to last for nearly a hundred years.
They were pointing out that the patent system is being gamed so that patents last as long as copyrights. How this works is a new patent is submitted, adding very little to the previous patent but claiming to be completely novel.
Under UK law that's not entirely true. If a contract employs unfair clauses those clauses can be nullified. An analogy is, if you borrow £10000 from me and agree that (a) you will repay it with 12 months, and (b) if you don't repay it I can break your legs. This is unfair: if the contract was challenged in court it's highly likely that (a) you would have to repay the debt, and (b) I could not break your legs if you didn't repay within the specified time-frame.
> Does the GPL also create an imbalance between the rights of the distributer and the rights of the consumer?
I wouldn't have thought so, since consumers can freely read the GPL before using the GPL-licensed application, and the GPL effectively empowers the consumer to become a distributor. I had a quick peek at the relevant legislation and couldn't see anything that would affect the GPL.
> This simply doesn't make any sense - they have a list of illegal sites,
> but instead of tracking down the owners and prosecuting them and shutting the
> sites down they just block access to them. Wha...???
Firstly... one of the sites on the list was a Thai Windows tips site, another was a Japanese doll (the toy kind, perv!) site. The Finnish authorities can only prosecute and shut down Finnish sites.
Secondly... the point of this is that many of the sites *aren't* illegal, even in Finland.
You've had a great idea, but the Finnish government haven't. The Finnish list is an arguably erroneous list (it contains many sites that are seem to be perfectly legal), foisted on ISPs who are supposed to "voluntarily" ensure their paying customers can't access the sites on the list.
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If you had submitted it back then we'd be reading it again now as a dupe. You were doing us a favour!
I pretty much agree with everything you say - but RAF Menwith Hill is a bad link; only security is provided by the MoD - the actual site and all the sooper-seekrit spy stuff is run by the US Air Force...
Mind you, my understanding of Echelon is that it's a great way to bypass annoying local laws; Canada spies on US citizens and passes the intel to the US, Australia spies on Kiwis for the NZ government, Menwith Hill spies on British citizens - all nice and clean and local intelligence agencies don't get their hands dirty spying on their own citizens.
communism-the-economic-model absent totalitarianism-the-political model has been tried - successfully - at least twice: in Anarcho-Communist sections of Spain during the Civil War, and in Ukraine (again by anarchists) in the early 1920s. Both times the eventual failure was brought about not by economic collapse but by... totalitarianism. The Red Army defeated Nestor Markov's Black Army in Ukraine, and the Red Army's paymasters in the CPSU and the pro-Moscow CP of Spain crushed the "fascists" in the anarchist unions in Spain. Your uninformed outlook makes you a perfect target for capitalist brainwashing. ;)
Since anarchists believe in freedom there's little they can do to prevent non-anarchists claiming to be anarchists, though 99% of anarchists share your view that "anarcho capitalism" is an oxymoron - just like there's little that Christians could do to stop me calling myself a "Christian atheist"[1]. To be fair, though, even "anarcho capitalists" would think this idea - "intellectual property", and laws to protect it - is ridiculous, and this topic redundant.
[1] I am not now, nor have I ever been, a "Christian Atheist". I am, however, a syndicalist and consequently have some interest in anarchism.
Kind of... the Red Cross (as a humanitarian symbol) has been in use since the 1860s. Johnson & Johnson started using the symbol in the 1880s, and trademarked it in 1905. Although the symbol is protected by international law US law made an exception for Johnson & Johnson as they had trademarked it before the US got round to passing a law to protect the humanitarian use of the symbol. I'm not hugely impressed with the ARC licensing the internationally recognised and protected humanitarian symbol to anyone but let's not kid ourselves that J&J are some sort of martyr here - back in the late 1880s they saw an opportunity to exploit a respected symbol before the law changed to prevent it. It's pretty cold of J&J to try this; not because they're legally wrong (which, from TFA, was found to be the case in court) but because morally it's chutzpah.
>Cable customers get phone and internet without even going near BT.
Not every area has cable. Until last year I lived in deepest, darkest Glasgow (a small hamlet in Scotland). We couldn't get cable in our area (another part of Glasgow I lived in previously got NTL cable). Interestingly, Cable & Wireless had a call-centre just down the road from us; a friend of mine worked there and said that neither C+W or NTL had any intention to roll out more cable to "old" areas; they were consolidating and the only new connections would be to newbuild apartments.
>they're not cheap and has been mentioned service is fucking gash (yes I dialled 13 different numbers in one day just to get me away from them).
Pah, that's nothing! I spent 2 hours in a queue once when I was moving to a new house with cable (in the NTL area mentioned above) and wanted to be rid of BT forever. Eventually I got to the top of the queue, and they dropped me back to the start. Long after I'd moved - having settled my bill completely - they sent me a final demand for line-rental for the 3 months *after* I'd moved; I sent them a shitty letter back, and bizarrely they sent *me* a cheque... I have no idea why they suddenly decided they owed me money.
Fair enough, and apologies for any slight on my part. You do realise, though, that the "Oh god it's the end of the world" posts are inevitable? ;-)
The summary doesn't claim Big Bad Bell is throttling P2P, merely that Good Small ISP is popular because it doesn't.
I don't know, but you could always ask Scott Adams or Dilbert?
Adams has coined or popularized words and phrases over the years, such as...cow-orker
The strip has also popularized the usage of the terms "cow-orker"
Maybe they'd have the answer?!
FWIW, I'm fairly sure cow-orker predates Dilbert. I'd be prepared to wager a smallish sum on this being a Kibo-ism.
Possibly replying to a troll (the mod-gods think so anyway), but here goes...
I last visited Cuba about 6 years ago, and took a laptop and a couple of large - for 2002 - thumbdrives. The Cuban customs official noticed them, casually asked how much capacity they had, then carried on about her business. Maybe customs would pay more attention now, but 6 years ago they didn't seem to care about laptops, USB drives, CD-ROMs (blank or full of data), cameras, books (including a critical biography of Karl Marx by a conservative biographer), or pretty much anything else I was bringing in.
...And before the oh-so-obvious remark that I was a tourist and wouldn't be able to pass my potentially subversive material to real Cubans - Cuban tourist resorts aren't golden prisons. I wandered around the town I was staying in (sorry, forgotten the name, somewhere on the North East), I wandered around Havana, I spoke to random people about random nonsense. I had ample opportunity to pass someone a USB drive. In hindsight, I should have done... though the 64MB I had back then would probably be ridiculed by even a Cuban these days...
As noted elsewhere in this thread, this is *nothing* to do with the GPL-as-a-license, and *everything* to do with GPLONLY as a flag:
ndiswrapper itself can be covered by the GPL, but when you use ndiswrapper, your kernel is no longer GPLONLY, even though ndiswrapper is itself GPL, because ndiswrapper then loads and runs the Windows driver which is *not* GPL. The fact that ndiswrapper loads and runs non-GPL code doesn't make it non-GPL, but it certainly makes the kernel in which it is running not GPLONLY. If ndiswrapper loaded a GPL driver, the kernel would still be GPLONLY
Linus isn't saying you can't use ndiswarapper. What'll happen, though, is when you report a bug they'll see your kernel has been tainted by a random binary blob they can't touch, and your bug report will be much less useful to them and it'll probably be marked as being much lower priority unless it can be confirmed that the binary blob isn't causing the problems (i.e. re-create the problem without the blob, either by not loading the module or from another machine without the module to begin with). ...
Again, no ones complaining that you're using it to load non-GPL code.
No, he's saying (a) he didn't "write anything" on the page once the relationship began, and (b) far from being up to other "editors to catch it", he asked other editors to take over his work on the page.
He stopped (or claims to, you could check the page history yourself) editing the page. I'm not sure *how* you managed to interpret the summary (particularly the Wales' quote - "I passed along my work to date for other editors to deal with, and I recused myself from the case") so badly - I appreciate that, this being Slashdot, you didn't do anything so radical as actually, you know, RTFA.
Source
* Apache != Kernel module
This idea is good in theory, but falls apart if the late-comer has checked in baggage already. The airline won't take off carrying baggage for an absent passenger (in case the absent passenger is absent to avoid being blown up), so if they prevent the late-comer from boarding they then have to remove his baggage. Which takes forever.
I've been offloaded from a plane back to the departure lounge before because it takes so long to find one absent passenger's baggage it's kinder to the passengers to offload them. Conversely, when I was flying frequently during the 80s (during various terrorist alerts involving Libya and the Provisional IRA) I knew that - provided my baggage was checked in - I could play arcade games until the tannoy got *really* annoying. My fellow passengers probably hated me for it, but I was an annoying teenager and Marble Madness was rad ;-)
D00d, I luv the way you say "Linuzz" instead on "Linux", and "Abble" instead of "Apple" (even if I don't really get "Abble") but you missed the obvious and oh-so-original "Open Sores" line that cracks me up everytime.
Back on topic, Google have already done this, Celestia have already done this (and Celestia is free software - sorry, "open sores"), so what's *not* to bash about Microsoft (damn, that should be M$) arriving late to the party? What does Microsoft bring to the party that we don't already have - in spades - already? Fanbois?
I know, I shouldn't feed the troll, but it was so cute, sitting there under the bridge...
In the UK there used to an agency called "Customs and Excise". They - unlike the police - carried guns on operations, they didn't trust or liaise with the police, and they normally didn't need a search warrant to carry out raids. The government decided that they weren't powerful enough, and merged them with...
drumroll...
the Inland Revenue!
> If you're going to chide a company for putting out a shitty document, at least have the balls to use some real language when you do it.
> Is it a lie? then call it a lie! "half truths" my ass.
You mean like this?
Looks to me like the article accuses Bank Julius Baer of... lying.
No, they aren't confusing copyrights and patents. Read what they said, read what they're replying to, then engage your brain.
> > we can outwait patents, which only last 20 years...
> That's part of the problem. With the way things are now people are getting patents to last for nearly a hundred years.
They were pointing out that the patent system is being gamed so that patents last as long as copyrights. How this works is a new patent is submitted, adding very little to the previous patent but claiming to be completely novel.
To be fair to Wikipedia, they cite their source for that claim. And the source is...
...(drumroll!)...
NASA
> Contract's a contract...
Under UK law that's not entirely true. If a contract employs unfair clauses those clauses can be nullified. An analogy is, if you borrow £10000 from me and agree that (a) you will repay it with 12 months, and (b) if you don't repay it I can break your legs. This is unfair: if the contract was challenged in court it's highly likely that (a) you would have to repay the debt, and (b) I could not break your legs if you didn't repay within the specified time-frame.
IANAL etc etc
> Does the GPL also create an imbalance between the rights of the distributer and the rights of the consumer?
I wouldn't have thought so, since consumers can freely read the GPL before using the GPL-licensed application, and the GPL effectively empowers the consumer to become a distributor. I had a quick peek at the relevant legislation and couldn't see anything that would affect the GPL.
IANAL etc etc
> This simply doesn't make any sense - they have a list of illegal sites,
> but instead of tracking down the owners and prosecuting them and shutting the
> sites down they just block access to them. Wha...???
Firstly... one of the sites on the list was a Thai Windows tips site, another was a Japanese doll (the toy kind, perv!) site. The Finnish authorities can only prosecute and shut down Finnish sites.
Secondly... the point of this is that many of the sites *aren't* illegal, even in Finland.
You've had a great idea, but the Finnish government haven't. The Finnish list is an arguably erroneous list (it contains many sites that are seem to be perfectly legal), foisted on ISPs who are supposed to "voluntarily" ensure their paying customers can't access the sites on the list.
This was on Wikipedia's front page the other day.
> And actually, under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, everyone is already snooping on you. Most people just don't realise it.
Oh we realise it alright. We're just not legally allowed to tell you it's happening.
/Posting safely from !UK.