Online gambling is already illegal in the US, why is it not illegal to run ads for it? YouTube should be pushed into adding a clause to their terms of service that prevents anyone from running ads or sponsors for things that are otherwise illegal.
What would be the penalty for including one "uberfont" that was simply an amalgamation of every specialized OSS font out there. Not necessarily even a consistent look to start with, just - this font can display any unicode text correctly. It would probably be kind of huge, but it would remove the overhead of digging though massive piles of irrelevant fonts when looking for the one you want.
There's nothing to regulate about a personal web site. There's no data being collected and sold.
Web scraping. What I believe people are worried about is the collection of personal data by private companies, with facebook that's regulated by the user agreement and your national laws. What I see being proposed is giving that information up freely to anyone.
Facebooks use of personal data can be regulated. The use of data from a public site such as "Jason's Site." is an order of magnitude harder to regulate due to it being accessible to anyone, I don't see how that's an improvement.
Just because an auto mechanic can fix his car does not mean a person that caused the auto accident isn't liable.
IMHO a more correct analogy here is that just because you can't fix your own car you're not entitled to a cash handout thousands of times larger than the value of the car due to loss of income. You need a mechanics to tell the court that the car is broken and how much it would cost to fix, without that the court will not take your case and tells you to file again once you have the information.
as soon as you realize this happens, "testdisk" in a controlled environment is the ONLY solution i use.
done boneheaded things several times, testdisk saved me each time... and i highly doubt adobe did zero overwrites or anything other than a simple delete.
From a cursory read of the complaint I understand that he ran a program called Recovery 4, but that only gave him the folders and no files. I'm a bit curious how the court would look at this kind of "self diagnosing", should Adobe be liable (which seems rather unlikely in itself). I'm guessing the case would be dismissed without prejudice until he shows up with an expert witness who can testify that the files are not recoverable.
Text: Cyberspace now plays a crucial role in every aspect of our lives and it is the shared responsibility of a wide variety of actors, in their respective roles, to improve trust, security and stability in cyberspace. We reaffirm our support to an open, secure, stable, accessible and peaceful cyberspace, which has become an integral component of life in all its social, economic, cultural and political aspects. We also reaffirm that international law, including the United Nations Charter in its entirety, international humanitarian law and customary international law is applicable to the use of information and communication technologies (ICT) by States. We reaffirm that the same rights that people have offline must also be protected online, and also reaffirm the applicability of international human rights law in cyberspace. We reaffirm that international law, together with the voluntary norms of responsible State behavior during peacetime and associated confidence and capacity-building measures developed within the United Nations, is the foundation for international peace and security in cyberspace. We condemn malicious cyber activities in peacetime, notably the ones threatening or resulting in significant, indiscriminate or systemic harm to individuals and critical infrastructure and welcome calls for their improved protection. We also welcome efforts by States and non-state actors to provide support to victims of malicious use of ICTs on an impartial and independent basis, whenever it occurs, whether during or outside of armed conflict. We recognize that the threat of cyber criminality requires more effort to improve the security of the products we use, to strengthen our defenses against criminals and to promote cooperation among all stakeholders, within and across national borders, and that the Budapest Convention on Cybercrime is a key tool in this regard. We recognize the responsibilities of key private sector actors in improving trust, security and stability in cyberspace and encourage initiatives aimed at strengthening the security of digital processes, products and services. We welcome collaboration among governments, the private sector and civil society to create new cybersecurity standards that enable infrastructures and organizations to improve cyber protections. We recognize all actors can support a peaceful cyberspace by encouraging the responsible and coordinated disclosure of vulnerabilities. We underline the need to enhance broad digital cooperation and increase capacity-building efforts by all actors and encourage initiatives that build user resilience and capabilities. We recognize the necessity of a strengthened multistakeholder approach and of additional efforts to reduce risks to the stability of cyberspace and to build-up confidence, capacity and trust. To that end, we affirm our willingness to work together, in the existing fora and through the relevant organizations, institutions, mechanisms and processes to assist one another and implement cooperative measures, notably in order to:
- Prevent and recover from malicious cyber activities that threaten or cause significant, indiscriminate or systemic harm to individuals and critical infrastructure; - Prevent activity that intentionally and substantially damages the general availability or integrity of the public core of the Internet; - Strengthen our capa
in the United States voter suppression makes this moot. For one thing young people don't like to register because it increases the odds you get jury duty. Polling places are kept away from college campus, student Ids are not valid voter Id (while gun permits are). The list goes on and on.
Young folks aren't just lazy and stupid. There's a concerted effort by the powers that be to keep them from voting.
I'm a bit curious as to why the system of voter registration is accepted? From what I understand Nort Dakota has no registration requirement so there shouldn't be anything inherent in the system that can't be changed at the state level, or am I missing something?
It is straight forward calling every Russian who uses twitter a troll. If you are Russian or Iranian and ever used twitter in English, you are now a troll and a Russian or Iranian agent. Seriously any post originating in Russia or Iran, any?!?
3841 Russian and 770 Iranian accounts are the exact number accused. I'd guess the number of legit accounts are at least 1000x higher making you sound a bit hyperbolic.
The Debian logo is non-free because they used a non-free font.
Did that just blow your mind?
The debian logo is released under the LGPL v3 or CC BY-SA 3.0, the restricted use logo adds the bottle https://www.debian.org/logos/i... (But you are correct that a commercial font was used in the creation).
I just don't see what you are seeing. Philip Cross does a huge amont of work, and you can nitpick, but the examples against him aren't really convincing to me. The people against him doesn't seem to have a claim to fame by opposing the Iraq war, nor would I describe such a view as "fringe" so I don't see that connection. What I see is people expressing anti-Semitic views and supporting Assad and I consider such views "fringe".There certainly is a lot of propaganda in western media, but I don't believe that the Telegraph, Guardian and FT, would/could collectively push a government controlled narrative in the way of RT and Sputnik.
There is truth in that but I think you don't hear much about special interest groups on wikipedia because they won. I followed the Philip Cross case ( https://wikipedia.fivefilters.... ). The people who challenged Cross got exactly the treatment you're dealing out and it was very hard to prevail. The professionalization of Wikipedia always carries a danger. The complex rules allow people with clout to drown out those without. Not in principle, but in practice. People who want to want to take on subjects where big interests are involved quickly find out that it's very hard, especially when the big interests also manage to get their narrative into the reputable sources. And those who disagree, well, they're not reputable.
Reading the link you provided (as I've honestly never heard of this case), it seems to me like Philip Cross is a proficient editor accused of being a one man conspiracy by advocates of fringe view proponents. Googling the articles of those who claim to have been wronged is quite enlightening. It puts the finger on an interesting problem . How do you settle the debate when some people weigh facts from a very different view? To take an unrelated example: What if I held the view that Robin Hood was not as the wiki article claims "a legendary heroic outlaw", but a terrorist in violent opposition to taxation and government? Obviously any sources that has spoken against higher taxation, the government or supported anyone who has ever broken the law are biased and are only speaking from their own self-interest while my own have a fair and balanced view.
With 15 employees, admittedly huge startup costs and an output of 500 heads of leafy greens a week, ripping of investors seems like their business model of choice.
And yet feminists, governments, politicians, media still keep pushing the "wage gap" myth. I've heard no less then 6 ads pushing that on the CBC, FM96, and on 680 News(those are all in Ontario).
I fail to see how this is relevant, just about any position can be heard (which is part of the point i was making).
I have not been able to find anyone that supports the idea that sexual assaults in the US is higher than in Congo. When Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State she raised the issue of sexual violence with Congolese President Joseph Kabila; I believe she would support your position.
Where do you think the latest 1:3, 1:4, 1:5 women are victims of sexual assault bullshit is coming from? It's parroted all over the place, those rates put the sexual assault levels above the levels of the Congo. Those numbers have been used for years, more then a decade actually. I've even seen feminist groups trying to push the 1:2 women will be victims of sexual assault by the time they're 35.
Different definitions of sexual assault and varying methodology seem like the obvious answer to me. What has been reported from Congo is the systematic use of rape in armed conflict. The legal definition of sexual assault is much wider and varies depending on jurisdiction. What is considered "sexual assault" in a school or workplace environment is wider still and then we have daily speech in communities with different values. Methodology can range from reported to self-rated to interviews such as "have you experienced X?".
Yes, a person that believes in guilt before innocence is indeed a piece of shit. There's no other way to label them. See, deciding to throw a fundamental cornerstone of the legal system over your shoulder because you want to ruin someones life/push an agenda/etc simply makes you such.
Could you please point out the part of her tweet that is a matter for the legal system because I fail to see your point?
"When people in positions of power in academia behave like this and retain their status they don’t only push one generation of underrepresented groups out of science, but train others that it’s ok to propagate this ideology for years to come."
So why don't you prove me wrong. Go out, publicly, in front of the media and take ads out in the paper with the two following subjects: "The wage gap is a myth." "No, the US rate of sexual assaults is not higher then the Congo."
I have not been able to find anyone that supports the idea that sexual assaults in the US is higher than in Congo. When Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State she raised the issue of sexual violence with Congolese President Joseph Kabila; I believe she would support your position.
This is everything that hasn't been scrubbed by CERN and may be incomplete. It's another Tim Hunt, Mat Taylor, donglegate in action. But remember, SJW's really aren't the problem...no no, they're just misunderstood, really out for the best, trying to make the world a better place by stomping on your face.
The twitter post you're calling "piece of shit" is @jesswade:
"When people in positions of power in academia behave like this and retain their status they don’t only push one generation of underrepresented groups out of science, but train others that it’s ok to propagate this ideology for years to come."
The "witch hunt in action" link shows a collage of Kavanaugh headlines by the poster @BeastOfWood with lines like "white male entitlement", and "white male supremacy" marked, it's not evident to me how the poster or the collage is relevant. The last link is just the same slides as posted in the summary.
Must be when they did the IPO. It was what, 92-93 when Alta Vista, then the search king, decided to take money to push your company to the top of the results. That ended up with nearly everyone, myself included, scrambling for a new search engine. Google won out, as history shows.
AltaVista launched in December -95 google in September -97, as another datapoint Mosaic was launched in January -93.
That is a good point. The configurations are still very similar, as is the format. My career predates rsyslogd by long enough that I still think "syslog" as the format, much as I think of "apache" rather than the technically correct "httpd" software name of the software.
Do you know of any distro that has removed flat text logs in favor of binary logs?
They've been difficult to maintain, partly because systemd is now also replacing syslog and publishing logs in a binary, distinct format from the more easily read flat text formats.
Rsyslog replaced syslog about a decade ago and afaik there is no distro without it in the default install.
I've listened to commentary of the people who were in the chamber when it was accepted, and apparently the pressure on the MPs was utterly insane. Mass media outlets all but openely threatened to skewer those who were expected to vote for it and would vote against in the upcoming elections.
Any particularly enlightening source you'd like to share?
This is the 4th or 5th time it's plunged like this(percentage basis) since 2010. Why is the outcome this time different? more participants? more awareness? higher market caps? all of those things also bring along new players, lobbyists, proponents and capability to ensure the cycle repeats at some point.
It's the number of trades and the number of ask/bid offers (what the "market" calls liquidity) that's diffrent. Increased liquidity should lead to more stable prices as the gap between ask/bid should decrease and a single trade affects the price less. The decreased risk of getting stuck should lead to a premium compared to other less liquid assets. The prime example of a liquid asset is the usd, it's traded all the time and can practically be exchanged to any other asset all over the world. That's why when you read about uncertainty in the market and flight to safety the price of the usd increase.
The value will go up over time just like the S&P 500 has gone up an average 15% or so over time... but depending on when you bought in the S&P 500 could actually be WAY down.
The speculative market will go up, it will bubble, it will pop. Bubble and pop with steady gain over time has been the constant cycle of Bitcoin. I say it when it's down, I say it when it's up, I say it because the speculative market doesn't define the value of Bitcoin (or the current iteration, bitcoin cash).
if you went all in on the S&P and bought at the worst time possible (intraday ath 2,873.23) you'd be down about 0,35% looking at the screen right now.
Online gambling is already illegal in the US, why is it not illegal to run ads for it? YouTube should be pushed into adding a clause to their terms of service that prevents anyone from running ads or sponsors for things that are otherwise illegal.
The legalese concerning online gambling isn't that simple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... (additional state laws may apply).
What would be the penalty for including one "uberfont" that was simply an amalgamation of every specialized OSS font out there. Not necessarily even a consistent look to start with, just - this font can display any unicode text correctly. It would probably be kind of huge, but it would remove the overhead of digging though massive piles of irrelevant fonts when looking for the one you want.
Report a bug!
There's nothing to regulate about a personal web site. There's no data being collected and sold.
Web scraping. What I believe people are worried about is the collection of personal data by private companies, with facebook that's regulated by the user agreement and your national laws. What I see being proposed is giving that information up freely to anyone.
Facebooks use of personal data can be regulated. The use of data from a public site such as "Jason's Site." is an order of magnitude harder to regulate due to it being accessible to anyone, I don't see how that's an improvement.
Just because an auto mechanic can fix his car does not mean a person that caused the auto accident isn't liable.
IMHO a more correct analogy here is that just because you can't fix your own car you're not entitled to a cash handout thousands of times larger than the value of the car due to loss of income. You need a mechanics to tell the court that the car is broken and how much it would cost to fix, without that the court will not take your case and tells you to file again once you have the information.
as soon as you realize this happens, "testdisk" in a controlled environment is the ONLY solution i use.
done boneheaded things several times, testdisk saved me each time... and i highly doubt adobe did zero overwrites or anything other than a simple delete.
From a cursory read of the complaint I understand that he ran a program called Recovery 4, but that only gave him the folders and no files. I'm a bit curious how the court would look at this kind of "self diagnosing", should Adobe be liable (which seems rather unlikely in itself). I'm guessing the case would be dismissed without prejudice until he shows up with an expert witness who can testify that the files are not recoverable.
Link to article with the full text: https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr...
Text:
Cyberspace now plays a crucial role in every aspect of our lives and it is the shared responsibility of a wide variety of actors, in their respective roles, to improve trust, security and stability in cyberspace. We reaffirm our support to an open, secure, stable, accessible and peaceful cyberspace, which has become an integral component of life in all its social, economic, cultural and political aspects. We also reaffirm that international law, including the United Nations Charter in its entirety, international humanitarian law and customary international law is applicable to the use of information and communication technologies (ICT) by States. We reaffirm that the same rights that people have offline must also be protected online, and also reaffirm the applicability of international human rights law in cyberspace. We reaffirm that international law, together with the voluntary norms of responsible State behavior during peacetime and associated confidence and capacity-building measures developed within the United Nations, is the foundation for international peace and security in cyberspace. We condemn malicious cyber activities in peacetime, notably the ones threatening or resulting in significant, indiscriminate or systemic harm to individuals and critical infrastructure and welcome calls for their improved protection.
We also welcome efforts by States and non-state actors to provide support to victims of malicious use of ICTs on an impartial and independent basis, whenever it occurs, whether during or outside of armed conflict. We recognize that the threat of cyber criminality requires more effort to improve the security of the products we use, to strengthen our defenses against criminals and to promote cooperation among all stakeholders, within and across national borders, and that the Budapest Convention on Cybercrime is a key tool in this regard. We recognize the responsibilities of key private sector actors in improving trust, security and stability in cyberspace and encourage initiatives aimed at strengthening the security of digital processes, products and services. We welcome collaboration among governments, the private sector and civil society to create new cybersecurity standards that enable infrastructures and organizations to improve cyber protections. We recognize all actors can support a peaceful cyberspace by encouraging the responsible and coordinated disclosure of vulnerabilities. We underline the need to enhance broad digital cooperation and increase capacity-building efforts by all actors and encourage initiatives that build user resilience and capabilities. We recognize the necessity of a strengthened multistakeholder approach and of additional efforts to reduce risks to the stability of cyberspace and to build-up confidence, capacity and trust. To that end, we affirm our willingness to work together, in the existing fora and through the relevant organizations, institutions, mechanisms and processes to assist one another and implement cooperative measures, notably in order to:
- Prevent and recover from malicious cyber activities that threaten or cause significant, indiscriminate or systemic harm to individuals and critical infrastructure;
- Prevent activity that intentionally and substantially damages the general availability or integrity of the public core of the Internet;
- Strengthen our capa
in the United States voter suppression makes this moot. For one thing young people don't like to register because it increases the odds you get jury duty. Polling places are kept away from college campus, student Ids are not valid voter Id (while gun permits are). The list goes on and on.
Young folks aren't just lazy and stupid. There's a concerted effort by the powers that be to keep them from voting.
I'm a bit curious as to why the system of voter registration is accepted? From what I understand Nort Dakota has no registration requirement so there shouldn't be anything inherent in the system that can't be changed at the state level, or am I missing something?
It is straight forward calling every Russian who uses twitter a troll. If you are Russian or Iranian and ever used twitter in English, you are now a troll and a Russian or Iranian agent. Seriously any post originating in Russia or Iran, any?!?
3841 Russian and 770 Iranian accounts are the exact number accused. I'd guess the number of legit accounts are at least 1000x higher making you sound a bit hyperbolic.
The Debian logo is non-free because they used a non-free font.
Did that just blow your mind?
The debian logo is released under the LGPL v3 or CC BY-SA 3.0, the restricted use logo adds the bottle https://www.debian.org/logos/i...
(But you are correct that a commercial font was used in the creation).
I just don't see what you are seeing. Philip Cross does a huge amont of work, and you can nitpick, but the examples against him aren't really convincing to me. The people against him doesn't seem to have a claim to fame by opposing the Iraq war, nor would I describe such a view as "fringe" so I don't see that connection. What I see is people expressing anti-Semitic views and supporting Assad and I consider such views "fringe".There certainly is a lot of propaganda in western media, but I don't believe that the Telegraph, Guardian and FT, would/could collectively push a government controlled narrative in the way of RT and Sputnik.
There is truth in that but I think you don't hear much about special interest groups on wikipedia because they won. I followed the Philip Cross case ( https://wikipedia.fivefilters.... ). The people who challenged Cross got exactly the treatment you're dealing out and it was very hard to prevail. The professionalization of Wikipedia always carries a danger. The complex rules allow people with clout to drown out those without. Not in principle, but in practice. People who want to want to take on subjects where big interests are involved quickly find out that it's very hard, especially when the big interests also manage to get their narrative into the reputable sources. And those who disagree, well, they're not reputable.
Reading the link you provided (as I've honestly never heard of this case), it seems to me like Philip Cross is a proficient editor accused of being a one man conspiracy by advocates of fringe view proponents. Googling the articles of those who claim to have been wronged is quite enlightening. It puts the finger on an interesting problem . How do you settle the debate when some people weigh facts from a very different view? To take an unrelated example: What if I held the view that Robin Hood was not as the wiki article claims "a legendary heroic outlaw", but a terrorist in violent opposition to taxation and government? Obviously any sources that has spoken against higher taxation, the government or supported anyone who has ever broken the law are biased and are only speaking from their own self-interest while my own have a fair and balanced view.
With 15 employees, admittedly huge startup costs and an output of 500 heads of leafy greens a week, ripping of investors seems like their business model of choice.
These are just the first few hits.
And yet feminists, governments, politicians, media still keep pushing the "wage gap" myth. I've heard no less then 6 ads pushing that on the CBC, FM96, and on 680 News(those are all in Ontario).
I fail to see how this is relevant, just about any position can be heard (which is part of the point i was making).
I have not been able to find anyone that supports the idea that sexual assaults in the US is higher than in Congo. When Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State she raised the issue of sexual violence with Congolese President Joseph Kabila; I believe she would support your position.
Where do you think the latest 1:3, 1:4, 1:5 women are victims of sexual assault bullshit is coming from? It's parroted all over the place, those rates put the sexual assault levels above the levels of the Congo. Those numbers have been used for years, more then a decade actually. I've even seen feminist groups trying to push the 1:2 women will be victims of sexual assault by the time they're 35.
Different definitions of sexual assault and varying methodology seem like the obvious answer to me. What has been reported from Congo is the systematic use of rape in armed conflict. The legal definition of sexual assault is much wider and varies depending on jurisdiction. What is considered "sexual assault" in a school or workplace environment is wider still and then we have daily speech in communities with different values. Methodology can range from reported to self-rated to interviews such as "have you experienced X?".
Yes, a person that believes in guilt before innocence is indeed a piece of shit. There's no other way to label them. See, deciding to throw a fundamental cornerstone of the legal system over your shoulder because you want to ruin someones life/push an agenda/etc simply makes you such.
Could you please point out the part of her tweet that is a matter for the legal system because I fail to see your point?
"When people in positions of power in academia behave like this and retain their status they don’t only push one generation of underrepresented groups out of science, but train others that it’s ok to propagate this ideology for years to come."
Mashiki wrote:
So why don't you prove me wrong. Go out, publicly, in front of the media and take ads out in the paper with the two following subjects: "The wage gap is a myth." "No, the US rate of sexual assaults is not higher then the Congo."
I'll wait. Enjoy the public lynch mob by the way.
Don't Buy Into The Gender Pay Gap Myth. The Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth Wage Gap Myth Exposed — By Feminists The ‘Wage Gap’ Myth That Won’t Die .These are just the first few hits.
I have not been able to find anyone that supports the idea that sexual assaults in the US is higher than in Congo. When Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State she raised the issue of sexual violence with Congolese President Joseph Kabila; I believe she would support your position.
Mashiki wrote:
It's a witch hunt, the person who made this into an issue went out of their way to make it an issue. They're part of a extremist feminist group that has a history of getting offended because they want to be. Behold the piece of shit. An archive just in case. And enjoy the witch hunt in action.
This is everything that hasn't been scrubbed by CERN and may be incomplete. It's another Tim Hunt, Mat Taylor, donglegate in action. But remember, SJW's really aren't the problem...no no, they're just misunderstood, really out for the best, trying to make the world a better place by stomping on your face.
The twitter post you're calling "piece of shit" is @jesswade:
"When people in positions of power in academia behave like this and retain their status they don’t only push one generation of underrepresented groups out of science, but train others that it’s ok to propagate this ideology for years to come."
The "witch hunt in action" link shows a collage of Kavanaugh headlines by the poster @BeastOfWood with lines like "white male entitlement", and "white male supremacy" marked, it's not evident to me how the poster or the collage is relevant. The last link is just the same slides as posted in the summary.
Must be when they did the IPO. It was what, 92-93 when Alta Vista, then the search king, decided to take money to push your company to the top of the results. That ended up with nearly everyone, myself included, scrambling for a new search engine. Google won out, as history shows.
AltaVista launched in December -95 google in September -97, as another datapoint Mosaic was launched in January -93.
Alcohol may cause 1 in 20 deaths, but it probably play a part in about 1 in 20 conceptions, so overall its a zero-sum game
Here's to alcohol: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
That is a good point. The configurations are still very similar, as is the format. My career predates rsyslogd by long enough that I still think "syslog" as the format, much as I think of "apache" rather than the technically correct "httpd" software name of the software.
Do you know of any distro that has removed flat text logs in favor of binary logs?
They've been difficult to maintain, partly because systemd is now also replacing syslog and publishing logs in a binary, distinct format from the more easily read flat text formats.
Rsyslog replaced syslog about a decade ago and afaik there is no distro without it in the default install.
I've listened to commentary of the people who were in the chamber when it was accepted, and apparently the pressure on the MPs was utterly insane. Mass media outlets all but openely threatened to skewer those who were expected to vote for it and would vote against in the upcoming elections.
Any particularly enlightening source you'd like to share?
Could someone please post the actual text of the controversial paragraphs before we discuss this any further?
This is the 4th or 5th time it's plunged like this(percentage basis) since 2010. Why is the outcome this time different? more participants? more awareness? higher market caps? all of those things also bring along new players, lobbyists, proponents and capability to ensure the cycle repeats at some point.
It's the number of trades and the number of ask/bid offers (what the "market" calls liquidity) that's diffrent. Increased liquidity should lead to more stable prices as the gap between ask/bid should decrease and a single trade affects the price less. The decreased risk of getting stuck should lead to a premium compared to other less liquid assets. The prime example of a liquid asset is the usd, it's traded all the time and can practically be exchanged to any other asset all over the world. That's why when you read about uncertainty in the market and flight to safety the price of the usd increase.
The value will go up over time just like the S&P 500 has gone up an average 15% or so over time... but depending on when you bought in the S&P 500 could actually be WAY down.
The speculative market will go up, it will bubble, it will pop. Bubble and pop with steady gain over time has been the constant cycle of Bitcoin. I say it when it's down, I say it when it's up, I say it because the speculative market doesn't define the value of Bitcoin (or the current iteration, bitcoin cash).
if you went all in on the S&P and bought at the worst time possible (intraday ath 2,873.23) you'd be down about 0,35% looking at the screen right now.