Physical and emotional harm are no different. The brain records them the same way. It's very much the same ballpark, and the law backs up that claim by allowing people to sue for mental anguish. It's torture in the same way that water boarding is torture. "They just think they're going to die, but they aren't actually being harmed, so it's OK".
Then there is the matter of INTENT. The woman clearly intended harm. She might not have been intending for the girl to actually kill herself, but she sure as shit wasn't giving her friendly advice, or even tough love. The woman wanted to hurt this girl.
Where the Columbine boys physically harmed by their tormentors?
When i think back on the worst memories of my life, it's never about someone hitting me, it's about horrible things said. Bruises heal faster than broken hearts. For people with emotional problems such pain is magnified and engraved into their hearts. But, you know, people like that don't deserve to live.
Maybe YOU don't care what people say about you, but just because you don't get how words can hurt worse than stick and stones, doesn't mean that harm isn't real for others.
If there was something called the Cheflympics and it was a series of cooking contests would that be insulting? Are the x games insulting to skateboarders? You know, i bet Tony Hawk has other interests besides catching wicked air. So?
Sure geeks and nerds are a diverse lot, like ANY OTHER GROUP YOU COULD NAME. But this isn't about what makes them different, but rather about what they have in common (and poking a little fun at it).
A website trying to get traffic and generate revenue through their sponsors? That unpossible! Imagine if other sites start doing this. What would happen if Fark starting linking to controversial articles to generate hits? Next thing you know,/. will start posting links to things that nerds find interesting in the cynical hope to get more members, donors and sponsors! Playboy will have pictures of young, heavy breasted women to entice lonely males to buy a magazine full of ads....
It is often the case that things are obvious to outsiders. That's what therapists do (or good friends). They look at the patient's problems from the outside. Or Dr. Phil... he can tell you what you NEED to hear instead what you want to hear. He'll say "stop making excuses" when all someone wants to do is make excuses. Similarly, some people will go to the gym, bumble around a bit and quit because they aren't getting the instant results they wanted. Having a trainer to guide, motivate and hold you accountable helps a great deal.
Within an organization there is a neurotic assumption that an employee's opinions/ideas are worth what they pay that person. If it comes from someone at 10$/hr, it's assumed to be rubbish. From a 30$/hr person, it MUST be good, or at least better. Then there is the myth of expertise; that only experts should be allowed to speak on a subject.
BTW, steer clear of analrapists. No matter how it's pronounced, they're bad news.
This just in: men and women are different! Hence the "and".
Why do we feel it necessary to make sure that [group] is equally represented in [activity]? It doesn't mean that [group A] is keeping [group B] out. Isn't in possible that [group B] are just less interested in [activity]?
Children are underrepresented in wine tasting classes. Ageism! (most kids don't dig wine)
Blacks are underrepresented in IT. Racism! (Actually, blacks in college gravitate toward medicine and law)
Males are underrepresented in book of the month clubs! Sexism! (maybe the hubby wants to stay home and watch 'the big game')
My girlfriend knits. Do i have to learn how to knit to balance the gender ratio? i find knitting completely uninteresting. She doesn't want to play D&D with me and my gaggle of geeks. She should sue us for excluding her and then not play because she didn't want to in the first place.
NEWSFLASH: People like to make jokes about differences and stereotypes! But remember, if a woman makes a joke about a man being a cromag, it's funny and empowering. If a man makes a joke about a woman not knowing calculus, it's sexism and grounds for a lawsuit. The more standards the better, right?
Quick, mod me a troll or flamebait so no one can read my dissenting opinion! Someone might learn that we can make jokes about stereotypes AND know that they are wrong.
i like MS *because* it is pervasive. Every job i've held has been an MS environment. That means i didn't have to relearn how to format documents with every new job. If FOSS rises to eminence, i'd prefer that it become the next monopoly, just so i don't have to bounce between OSes and from MSO to OO.o. i don't want to learn, i want to get things done. Shifting from one version of MSO to the next is annoying enough.
Each computer with XP and MSO makes all the other computers with XP and MSO more useful. i can send a.doc to the entire English speaking word and know that 90% of them will be able to open it with no problem. Sending something from OO.o would be less than 10%.
i also like having the most options in hard and software. The Best Buy shelf for mac and linux games is dinky to non-existent.
Some monopolies benefit the user. For instance, imagine if every power company had a different voltage and frequency. You move from Chicago to LA and have to buy converters or new appliances. There's also a benefit in standards. i can drive just about any automatic transmission car. Between my Taurus and my girlfriend's Corolla, the only substantial difference in interface is the gear shift.
i'd welcome competition, but only in so far as replacing one ubiquitous OS with another.
Indeed. While i thought the effect was pretty in the movie, i knew from elementary school that waving my arms in circles is tiresome. There's also the virtual file cabinet from the movie Disclosure. Where Michael Douglas pulls open virtual drawers and rifles through the virtual folders. Neat to watch in a movie... terrible idea. Such a system would be no more efficient than the real thing. Technology should make things easier, not duplicate things we already (dislike) do. Computers should make file clerks obsolete, not turn everyone into a file clerk.
No. i'm not painting a false dichotomy, thanks for asking. Just a bit of hyperbole to illustrate the parent's paranoia and detachment.
Security must be proportional to the value of the target and the likelihood that it will be attacked. A 500 pound safe to protect a bag of skittles would be too much. Asking someone to show ID to get on a plane seems reasonable to me. Better identity confirmation systems might keep terrorists from killing a plane full of people.
Nice to see the almost automated partisan knee-jerk moderating system is still working. Don't like what someone is saying? Mod them as a troll! And remember, when Obama's sworn in, we switch from "security is the man keeping us down and scared, and letting the terrorists win" to "security is necessary sometimes, and sometimes security comes at the cost of convenience and privacy".
Bury my posts as trolling as fast as you can. It's not/. it's digg!
While we're at it, let's remove the armed guards from places like the White House and CIA. They infringe upon my privacy when they ask me to show ID, and limit my movements like i'm some kind of prisoner. It also pisses me off when i walk up to someone's house and the door is locked. i'm not going to STEAL anything, i just want to look around and sniff some panties. Besides, they should feel bad if they have something to hide from me. Or something worth stealing, like that Bose Wave Radio (those are so cool). And why can't i borrow your car for a few days? You paranoid freaks think i'm going to keep it or damage it somehow. It's the presumption of guilt that i resent. While we're at it, when i ask a doctor for Oxycontin and viagra he shouldn't invade my privacy by asking me what it's for. That's between me and the people i'm inviting to my orgy next Friday. If i want to bring my C4 collection in my carry-on, that's my right. If we criminalize carrying C4 on planes, only criminals will have C4 on planes.
They marked you Funny (and your post is funny), but sadly it might be Insightful as well. If she isn't giving it to her husband, she's probably giving it do someone else.
i had Anopticon and he was sooooo cool until my little brother stepped on him. After that i couldn't transform him back to a microscope. My parents bought me Comicon with HIS allowance, so i guess it all worked out.
If what you say is the case, and i don't know either way, then it might be like the word Draconian. Draco lived in a time where there were kings making up laws on the fly and inconsistently. He decided to write down these laws so folks could see them. Many of these laws were harsh, trivial or otherwise absurd. Somehow people decided to lay blame on Draco. So we call complex/harsh laws/rules Draconian.
He should be punished in accordance with the law, so he should get at least the minimum sentence for each offense. Punishments are meant to do two things: punish the offender and make would be offenders think twice. i don't know if the guy should get life, but he should absolutely do time. i get that paranoia and not trusting the man is very hip and impresses the girl at the campus bookstore, but in the world of grown ups, digging into classified systems is a big deal.
Information is classified because we either don't want our enemies to know it. If they know it, they can figure out HOW we know it. Spies die. Missions fail. Soldiers die, and so forth. This isn't a case of a kid trying to learn how the phone system works. This guy is a criminal and he's a threat to US security. Which might not matter to you, but it matters to us. Letting him go free would be disastrous. All it would take is to wave some money under his nose, or have some hot woman ask him nicely and he'd give our enemies access to our secrets. You might not care if our people die, but we kinda do.
As for him not hurting anyone... he hurt 260M Americans. He also KNEW what he was doing was illegal. He couldn't be smart enough to do it and not be smart enough to know that it was a crime. If i point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger and miss, or the gun jams, i'm still a murderer (the charge would be "attempted"). If i get away with it once, i'm likely do it again. If i jimmy open the door of your apartment and walk around and then leave, i'm still guilty of breaking and entering, even if i don't steal anything or even damage the door.
Whoever was responsible for protecting those systems should prolly do some time as well.
Someone hit this nail on the head a little further below in the thread. Hasbro owns the trademark "Scrabble (tm)". These guys are cashing in on brand recognition owned by someone else. That's illegal, AFAIK. If i opened a coffee shop and called it Starebuck's Coffee, i should expect a lawsuit, and rightfully so. If i called it Storangar's Java Emporium, i'd be in the clear as long as i didn't copy some other aspect.
Question: If one cannot patent game rules, could you make a WoW clone with identical game mechanics? i don't mean copying the code that make the mechanics happen, but rather the rule set. If the skins, bones, flavor text and everything else was totally distinct... could someone get away with it?
Isn't Scrabble still under copyright? If it isn't in the public domain, and Scrabulous is a clone of Scrabble (which it is AFAICT), they have every right in the world to sue. They even took advantage of Scrabble's popularity by giving it a name that was similar. This appears to be no different than selling Leevi Jeens with the classic rivets.
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or did a team of programmers and hardware manufacturers beat one person?
All this will happen again.
Y Kant Tori Read?
Physical and emotional harm are no different. The brain records them the same way. It's very much the same ballpark, and the law backs up that claim by allowing people to sue for mental anguish. It's torture in the same way that water boarding is torture. "They just think they're going to die, but they aren't actually being harmed, so it's OK".
Then there is the matter of INTENT. The woman clearly intended harm. She might not have been intending for the girl to actually kill herself, but she sure as shit wasn't giving her friendly advice, or even tough love. The woman wanted to hurt this girl.
Where the Columbine boys physically harmed by their tormentors?
When i think back on the worst memories of my life, it's never about someone hitting me, it's about horrible things said. Bruises heal faster than broken hearts. For people with emotional problems such pain is magnified and engraved into their hearts. But, you know, people like that don't deserve to live.
Maybe YOU don't care what people say about you, but just because you don't get how words can hurt worse than stick and stones, doesn't mean that harm isn't real for others.
If there was something called the Cheflympics and it was a series of cooking contests would that be insulting? Are the x games insulting to skateboarders? You know, i bet Tony Hawk has other interests besides catching wicked air. So?
Sure geeks and nerds are a diverse lot, like ANY OTHER GROUP YOU COULD NAME. But this isn't about what makes them different, but rather about what they have in common (and poking a little fun at it).
A website trying to get traffic and generate revenue through their sponsors? That unpossible! Imagine if other sites start doing this. What would happen if Fark starting linking to controversial articles to generate hits? Next thing you know, /. will start posting links to things that nerds find interesting in the cynical hope to get more members, donors and sponsors! Playboy will have pictures of young, heavy breasted women to entice lonely males to buy a magazine full of ads....
Is today "Take Things Too Seriously Day"?
It is often the case that things are obvious to outsiders. That's what therapists do (or good friends). They look at the patient's problems from the outside. Or Dr. Phil... he can tell you what you NEED to hear instead what you want to hear. He'll say "stop making excuses" when all someone wants to do is make excuses. Similarly, some people will go to the gym, bumble around a bit and quit because they aren't getting the instant results they wanted. Having a trainer to guide, motivate and hold you accountable helps a great deal.
Within an organization there is a neurotic assumption that an employee's opinions/ideas are worth what they pay that person. If it comes from someone at 10$/hr, it's assumed to be rubbish. From a 30$/hr person, it MUST be good, or at least better. Then there is the myth of expertise; that only experts should be allowed to speak on a subject.
BTW, steer clear of analrapists. No matter how it's pronounced, they're bad news.
This just in: men and women are different! Hence the "and".
Why do we feel it necessary to make sure that [group] is equally represented in [activity]? It doesn't mean that [group A] is keeping [group B] out. Isn't in possible that [group B] are just less interested in [activity]?
Children are underrepresented in wine tasting classes. Ageism!
(most kids don't dig wine)
Blacks are underrepresented in IT. Racism!
(Actually, blacks in college gravitate toward medicine and law)
Males are underrepresented in book of the month clubs! Sexism!
(maybe the hubby wants to stay home and watch 'the big game')
My girlfriend knits. Do i have to learn how to knit to balance the gender ratio? i find knitting completely uninteresting. She doesn't want to play D&D with me and my gaggle of geeks. She should sue us for excluding her and then not play because she didn't want to in the first place.
NEWSFLASH: People like to make jokes about differences and stereotypes! But remember, if a woman makes a joke about a man being a cromag, it's funny and empowering. If a man makes a joke about a woman not knowing calculus, it's sexism and grounds for a lawsuit. The more standards the better, right?
Quick, mod me a troll or flamebait so no one can read my dissenting opinion! Someone might learn that we can make jokes about stereotypes AND know that they are wrong.
i like MS *because* it is pervasive. Every job i've held has been an MS environment. That means i didn't have to relearn how to format documents with every new job. If FOSS rises to eminence, i'd prefer that it become the next monopoly, just so i don't have to bounce between OSes and from MSO to OO.o. i don't want to learn, i want to get things done. Shifting from one version of MSO to the next is annoying enough.
Each computer with XP and MSO makes all the other computers with XP and MSO more useful. i can send a .doc to the entire English speaking word and know that 90% of them will be able to open it with no problem. Sending something from OO.o would be less than 10%.
i also like having the most options in hard and software. The Best Buy shelf for mac and linux games is dinky to non-existent.
Some monopolies benefit the user. For instance, imagine if every power company had a different voltage and frequency. You move from Chicago to LA and have to buy converters or new appliances. There's also a benefit in standards. i can drive just about any automatic transmission car. Between my Taurus and my girlfriend's Corolla, the only substantial difference in interface is the gear shift.
i'd welcome competition, but only in so far as replacing one ubiquitous OS with another.
Does that mean it won't heal by just spending a blood point or two? Maybe they should call it, aggravating identity theft.(not serious)
What makes a crime aggravated? (serious)
Indeed. While i thought the effect was pretty in the movie, i knew from elementary school that waving my arms in circles is tiresome. There's also the virtual file cabinet from the movie Disclosure. Where Michael Douglas pulls open virtual drawers and rifles through the virtual folders. Neat to watch in a movie... terrible idea. Such a system would be no more efficient than the real thing. Technology should make things easier, not duplicate things we already (dislike) do. Computers should make file clerks obsolete, not turn everyone into a file clerk.
No. i'm not painting a false dichotomy, thanks for asking. Just a bit of hyperbole to illustrate the parent's paranoia and detachment.
Security must be proportional to the value of the target and the likelihood that it will be attacked. A 500 pound safe to protect a bag of skittles would be too much. Asking someone to show ID to get on a plane seems reasonable to me. Better identity confirmation systems might keep terrorists from killing a plane full of people.
Nice to see the almost automated partisan knee-jerk moderating system is still working. Don't like what someone is saying? Mod them as a troll! And remember, when Obama's sworn in, we switch from "security is the man keeping us down and scared, and letting the terrorists win" to "security is necessary sometimes, and sometimes security comes at the cost of convenience and privacy".
Bury my posts as trolling as fast as you can. It's not /. it's digg!
While we're at it, let's remove the armed guards from places like the White House and CIA. They infringe upon my privacy when they ask me to show ID, and limit my movements like i'm some kind of prisoner. It also pisses me off when i walk up to someone's house and the door is locked. i'm not going to STEAL anything, i just want to look around and sniff some panties. Besides, they should feel bad if they have something to hide from me. Or something worth stealing, like that Bose Wave Radio (those are so cool). And why can't i borrow your car for a few days? You paranoid freaks think i'm going to keep it or damage it somehow. It's the presumption of guilt that i resent. While we're at it, when i ask a doctor for Oxycontin and viagra he shouldn't invade my privacy by asking me what it's for. That's between me and the people i'm inviting to my orgy next Friday. If i want to bring my C4 collection in my carry-on, that's my right. If we criminalize carrying C4 on planes, only criminals will have C4 on planes.
I guess you never played the first two Warcrafts? Warcraft games have always been Warhammery.
FTfY.
...from the outside. If you are inside and you try to subvert their laws, citizen or not, you're going to the pokey.
This is good news for Sarah Conner.
They marked you Funny (and your post is funny), but sadly it might be Insightful as well. If she isn't giving it to her husband, she's probably giving it do someone else.
i had Anopticon and he was sooooo cool until my little brother stepped on him. After that i couldn't transform him back to a microscope. My parents bought me Comicon with HIS allowance, so i guess it all worked out.
If what you say is the case, and i don't know either way, then it might be like the word Draconian. Draco lived in a time where there were kings making up laws on the fly and inconsistently. He decided to write down these laws so folks could see them. Many of these laws were harsh, trivial or otherwise absurd. Somehow people decided to lay blame on Draco. So we call complex/harsh laws/rules Draconian.
Any history geeks on hand?
And what the hell are you doing in my house? /obscure //not likely
He should be punished in accordance with the law, so he should get at least the minimum sentence for each offense. Punishments are meant to do two things: punish the offender and make would be offenders think twice. i don't know if the guy should get life, but he should absolutely do time. i get that paranoia and not trusting the man is very hip and impresses the girl at the campus bookstore, but in the world of grown ups, digging into classified systems is a big deal.
Information is classified because we either don't want our enemies to know it. If they know it, they can figure out HOW we know it. Spies die. Missions fail. Soldiers die, and so forth. This isn't a case of a kid trying to learn how the phone system works. This guy is a criminal and he's a threat to US security. Which might not matter to you, but it matters to us. Letting him go free would be disastrous. All it would take is to wave some money under his nose, or have some hot woman ask him nicely and he'd give our enemies access to our secrets. You might not care if our people die, but we kinda do.
As for him not hurting anyone... he hurt 260M Americans. He also KNEW what he was doing was illegal. He couldn't be smart enough to do it and not be smart enough to know that it was a crime. If i point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger and miss, or the gun jams, i'm still a murderer (the charge would be "attempted"). If i get away with it once, i'm likely do it again. If i jimmy open the door of your apartment and walk around and then leave, i'm still guilty of breaking and entering, even if i don't steal anything or even damage the door.
Whoever was responsible for protecting those systems should prolly do some time as well.
Someone hit this nail on the head a little further below in the thread. Hasbro owns the trademark "Scrabble (tm)". These guys are cashing in on brand recognition owned by someone else. That's illegal, AFAIK. If i opened a coffee shop and called it Starebuck's Coffee, i should expect a lawsuit, and rightfully so. If i called it Storangar's Java Emporium, i'd be in the clear as long as i didn't copy some other aspect.
Question: If one cannot patent game rules, could you make a WoW clone with identical game mechanics? i don't mean copying the code that make the mechanics happen, but rather the rule set. If the skins, bones, flavor text and everything else was totally distinct... could someone get away with it?
Are you asking us if a game can be patented or telling us a game can't be patented?
Are you asking us if the scroll bars disappear, or telling us they do?
i wish i could give you a 6th insightful point.
i get the arguments against RIAA and the MPAA, but this is clearly a case of a company trying to steal brand recognition.
Isn't Scrabble still under copyright? If it isn't in the public domain, and Scrabulous is a clone of Scrabble (which it is AFAICT), they have every right in the world to sue. They even took advantage of Scrabble's popularity by giving it a name that was similar. This appears to be no different than selling Leevi Jeens with the classic rivets.