Over the years when people have complained that the KDE is slow some people have told me that the KDE is slow because the GCC is not optimized for compiling/linking C++.
Is there any truth to this?
Steve
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This is news ( and interesting ) to me.
So, Gnome is written in C AND it is object oriented?
The Gnome developers coded objects/classes with C?
It depends on the individal congressman but all indications are just writting a letter is unlikely to make any difference unless you enclose a sizable campaign contribution in the $1,000+ range. If you get a couple hundred people to write the same letter with the same size checks then you MIGHT get some congressman in your pocket assuming the competition doesn't outspend you. The competition being, for example, the trade association formed last December by the electronic voting equipment companies, led by Diebold. They have a vested interest , backed by lots of cash, in defending their cuts of the multibillion dollar voting machinery pie Congress handed out after the 2000 election.
Public opinion can and does influence US representatives...and... bush/elections are a hot issue.
Im sure you can think of some issue where public opinion has swayed such things.
No offense, I think you are writing this off far too quickly.
Writing a letter will cost you the price of a stamp. Writing an email will only cost you about 15min of your time.
Considering what is at stake, and the potential for good I would say that the investment of 15min is worth a gamble.
4 or so years ago amid the Supreme Court hearing regarding Florida's hanging chads an engineer for the old fashioned voting machines testified before the Supreme Court that the machines WERE FINE
The hanging chad and other issues were the result of not cleaning the machines out after previous uses. Ever have a hole punch you didn't clean out?
Negligence.
Its been reported on slashdot that several states, including Maryland and Florida have adopted new electronic voting machines that are CLOSED SOURCE with no sort of verifiable reciept system.
Should there be a close race again( all the polls show about a 50/50 split ) there will be no way of backtracking votes.
In the many iterations of this thread, here and elsewhere many responses rest on various assumptions:
- nobody can do anything to stop outsourcing
- it is CEO's___ god given, constitutional given, american right to boost profits regardless of the consequences tot he country
There are some more and I do not see any hard evidence for any of these assumptions.
Ask youself WHY
More importantly ask who you vote for this election year WHY?
They may/may not be able to succeed, but ask them what they have done to prevent outsourcing or what they plan to do.
If the answer is "nothing" consider voting for someone else
I read yesterday that in the 3 years bush has been in office the country has lost 3 million jobs. 1 million jobs a year. When was the last time you heard him speak more then one 10 seconds about jobs?
If he gets reelected, he gets another 5 years......another 5 million people out of work perhaps?
People are living without the basic necessities, dieing of malnutrition, starvation, exposure, disease,terroritsts.
Isn't anyone bothered with postings about linux usage in Iraq in light of all of these things?
Here is a list of soilders ( already out of date ) that were killed in Iraq. These soilders were people who could have been in your LUG and now who never will be:
As far as I am concerned SUN has no moral authority with Java.
Someone at work replaced the sun jre with jrocket....the jdk that came with a demo of BEA's application server.
We noticed a dramatic improvement in the performance of our JSP site.
IBM's jdk is also better then SUN's jdk
What can you say about a firm's moral authority ( or its self respect, care for Q/A ) to speak for a technology when OTHER companies consistently render their own products better then they do?
Hardware people are working very hard on electronic books that are as comfortable to use as paper books.
Aside from greed and control why would they want to do this?
Its like spending millions on a better mousetrap when what you have is so effective and cheap.
Paper books already are comfortable, can be cheap, can be easily be recyclable, portable, etc etc.
Real books survive centuries, wars, floods, etc and can still be functionable.
I would like to see how well the e-books compete with that.
The publishing industry has investigated on demand printing as an alternative. They would save a ton of money by printing only what they sell( forget shipping and storage costs )
That would be a wonderful idea
Bookstores could be become trendy cyber cafe's ( replacing the need for pubs that are so absent in America ) where people would browse for the book they want on a dumb terminal while sipping speciality coffe/whatever, hanging out with friends.
When they have made their choice they go to a counter to pick up their book, freshly printed, and printed just as nice as if it was made in a factory.
If you pay a lot of money for a textbook, when the course is over you still have the book, you can lend it to a friend, put it on your shelf, and read it again years later.
Publishers experimenting with text e-books want to lease you access to the information.
If they have their way you will still pay a large sum, but at the end of the semester they cut of your access to that book/information.
I'm not curious anymore about what Richard Stallman's desktop looks like. I happened to be sitting behind him at the last FOSDEM conference, just before his presentation. Two observations about his desktop as I saw it that day.
First of all, he doesn't use a GUI.
Second, the desktop environment that he was using was not vi.
I met him last year at a lecture he gave. I asked him what was running on his laptop and he told everyone "Debian"
Some groupie who follows him around asked him if he was using the HURD kernel. RMS said that he did not as it did not do enough yet.
Given that, I hope others are kinder the next time a story gets out about Linus Torvald's not using OS software becasue there isn't anything around that suits him.
AND I hope Linus keeps moving toward a module kernel.
Having to recompile the kernel to add hardware support is ridiculous.
I read an article on the web a while back along these lines.
I remember Linus Torvalds being quoted as saying that he used microemacs( he thought GNU & XEmacs were ridiculously bloated for editors ) and many, many xterms.
I apologize if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that when comparing mondern GNU/Linux( not all distros ) to BSD there is very little difference in the feature set.
I don't know about performance
There seems to be a lot more mainstream support for GNU/Linux and a lot more development of new things. Translation: more goodies coming for GNU/Linux.
Communities?
I have had a lot more exposure to the GNU/Linux community then the BSD community.
The BSD community seems to be more dominated by mature people( with the *possible* exception of the author of the site that inspired this thread).
If they don't want to answer a question, they will not answer a question. No flaming, no ROTFM, no googling. Very smart....why waste your time typing on an issue you don't care about. If you do get ROTFMed by a BSD person chances are you will get a very sober, mature, well written, *polite* note advising you to do your own researh with some pointers.
These people kinds of people are in the majority in the GNU/Linux community as well, but that community also has a voiceferous minority of grown men who have never quite finished maturing.
The last excuse for a difference between distros IMHO would be the license issue.
I still believe in the GPL and the Free(dom) Software Movement as opposed to the open source movement.
People who develop under the BSD license must be very unselfish.
I know if I spent my spare time codeing for free of charge I would want my contributions to be shared to everyone. I would be furious if a business with a payroll, resources etc gobbled up my code, incorporated it into a proprietary venture, burped, and did not give me compensation of any kind......at least recognition. Microsofts use of BSD sockets comes to mind.
Some people will rightfully point out that the BSD license encourages some contributions that the GPL does not.....my answer to that is the overwhelming support for GNU/Linux by IBM and several other companies.
I also have to wonder that if the BSD license became popular first if the open source movement( as opposed to the Free(dom) Software Movement) would have its emphasis on sharing.
I doubt it and I doubt that the open source movement would have gotten off the ground. Many businesses would have done an M$/BSD-Socket manuevar taking, and giving nothing back with the result of there being a very small library of open source code available to everyone.
Finally, a word about user friendliness, the bastard step child of both the Free(dom) Software Movement and the open source movement.
GNU/Linux got some of it first which encouraged me to dump windows at home. That encouraged me to get used to *nix, and venture into user
UN
friendly territory, which encouraged me to like *nix for itself.....again( I had that Solaris shell account everyone did in college ).
So, because of GNU/Linux I might just try and/or migrate to BSD someday.....or use both.
I hope that means for 2.0 that you will only have to load the common classes for firebird and thunderbird _once_ as you can with mozilla, now.
Right now if you use firebird and thunderbird you have to wait for both apps to load all of those classes on startup. Not a good result considering the split was done to enhance performance.
I hope that chatzilla can run as an independant app as well. Chatzilla and gaim are the nicest ( feature rich, uncluttered, self explanatory interface) IRC clients I have seen yet.
KDE, GNOME, Something Lighter, & CLI are the dominant interfaces in that order......thats not news, but it was interesting to how closely matched in popularity KDE and Gnome were.
I thought GNOME had lost the battle for the heart of desktop users
My apologies in advance if you heard this advice 10,000 times already
It is from research I did a few years back when I was diagnosed with ADD
- 1 hour of vigourous(ie not dodge ball ) exercise every day improved symptoms of ADHD in children and helped reduce the use of drugs
dexadrine used to be used for ADHD before ritalin. It is order of magnitudes cheaper and some people find it has less unpleasant side effects. Ritalin was invented to make money not to fill a void.
some people well with dmae supplements, b vitamin supplements, and/or piracetam in lieu of stimulants
Some people think ADHD kids have trouble absorbing some nutrients they need and/or have food allergies. Some people claim better nutrition and supplementation help. YMMV
Slashdot Mirror
1. Get the spamming community to use linux.
2. SCO sues spammers on copyright charges, drains spammers of funds.
3. Spammers destroy SCO's site permantly.
Steve
C++ is C with structures for classes built into it.
How do you make objects and classes with C?
Did the gnome developers just make "class libraries" of struts?
Can you get all of the OO goodies with "homemade" C objects......polymorphism, data hiding etc etc?
I'm not being a jerk, I'm just curious
Steve
Is there any truth to this?
Steve
So, Gnome is written in C AND it is object oriented?
The Gnome developers coded objects/classes with C?
Thanks in advance for the info
Steve
Im sure you can think of some issue where public opinion has swayed such things.
No offense, I think you are writing this off far too quickly.
Writing a letter will cost you the price of a stamp. Writing an email will only cost you about 15min of your time.
Considering what is at stake, and the potential for good I would say that the investment of 15min is worth a gamble.
Steve
The hanging chad and other issues were the result of not cleaning the machines out after previous uses. Ever have a hole punch you didn't clean out?
Negligence.
Its been reported on slashdot that several states, including Maryland and Florida have adopted new electronic voting machines that are CLOSED SOURCE with no sort of verifiable reciept system.
Should there be a close race again( all the polls show about a 50/50 split ) there will be no way of backtracking votes.
Cheating/vote fixing is highly possible.
Here is what you can do:
Go to this web site:
http://www.congress.com/
You can easily find your US representatives email address and/or contanct information.
Write them a letter/email asking them what they plan to do to insure fair voting in 2004.
Demand, as on of their constituents that any voting machines used have a reliable means of vote verification....reciepts, punched cards, whatever.
These things do make a difference and a lot is at stake
End of sermon :)
Steve
No offense
Steve
I have recently switched one of my company's JSP sites to jrocket from BEA because we noticed a visible speed improvement using it over SUN's jvm
I would like to use SUN's JVM.
Does anyone know for sure if 1.5 has any significant performance improvements?
Steve
- nobody can do anything to stop outsourcing
- it is CEO's___ god given, constitutional given, american right to boost profits regardless of the consequences tot he country
There are some more and I do not see any hard evidence for any of these assumptions.
Ask youself WHY
More importantly ask who you vote for this election year WHY?
They may/may not be able to succeed, but ask them what they have done to prevent outsourcing or what they plan to do.
If the answer is "nothing" consider voting for someone else
I read yesterday that in the 3 years bush has been in office the country has lost 3 million jobs. 1 million jobs a year. When was the last time you heard him speak more then one 10 seconds about jobs?
If he gets reelected, he gets another 5 years......another 5 million people out of work perhaps?
Steve
Children, Americans.
People are living without the basic necessities, dieing of malnutrition, starvation, exposure, disease,terroritsts.
Isn't anyone bothered with postings about linux usage in Iraq in light of all of these things?
Here is a list of soilders ( already out of date ) that were killed in Iraq. These soilders were people who could have been in your LUG and now who never will be:
http://www.thousandreasons.org/wardead.html
Someone at work replaced the sun jre with jrocket....the jdk that came with a demo of BEA's application server.
We noticed a dramatic improvement in the performance of our JSP site.
IBM's jdk is also better then SUN's jdk
What can you say about a firm's moral authority ( or its self respect, care for Q/A ) to speak for a technology when OTHER companies consistently render their own products better then they do?
Steve
Proprietary software managers are more conerned with OO & reusability to save on costs of production.
OS developers are concerned about adding features or giving some lame excuse at how since computers are faster its not worth the bother.
In short software is slow all around these days and it is becuase developers don't care or are not allowed to care.
Steve
Writing in a book, even your own is sacrelige !!
Hardware people are working very hard on electronic books that are as comfortable to use as paper books.
Aside from greed and control why would they want to do this?
Its like spending millions on a better mousetrap when what you have is so effective and cheap.
Paper books already are comfortable, can be cheap, can be easily be recyclable, portable, etc etc.
Real books survive centuries, wars, floods, etc and can still be functionable.
I would like to see how well the e-books compete with that.
The publishing industry has investigated on demand printing as an alternative. They would save a ton of money by printing only what they sell( forget shipping and storage costs )
That would be a wonderful idea
Bookstores could be become trendy cyber cafe's ( replacing the need for pubs that are so absent in America ) where people would browse for the book they want on a dumb terminal while sipping speciality coffe/whatever, hanging out with friends.
When they have made their choice they go to a counter to pick up their book, freshly printed, and printed just as nice as if it was made in a factory.
Everybody wins.
Steve
Publishers experimenting with text e-books want to lease you access to the information.
If they have their way you will still pay a large sum, but at the end of the semester they cut of your access to that book/information.
No thanks
Steve
Some groupie who follows him around asked him if he was using the HURD kernel. RMS said that he did not as it did not do enough yet.
Given that, I hope others are kinder the next time a story gets out about Linus Torvald's not using OS software becasue there isn't anything around that suits him.
AND I hope Linus keeps moving toward a module kernel.
Having to recompile the kernel to add hardware support is ridiculous.
No offense.
Steve
I remember Linus Torvalds being quoted as saying that he used microemacs( he thought GNU & XEmacs were ridiculously bloated for editors ) and many, many xterms.
Its the internet, so take it with a grain of salt
Steve
They avoided the well worn plot devices and corner cutting ( creatively, not just special effects ) that made TNG and Voyager insipid.
That didn't last
When I moved last June I did not get a TV and I did not miss watching Enterprise
Steve
Microsoft must be taking public relations lessons from the RIAA
The men have already bought all of their toys.
I go there first and then buy used on the internet.
I can afford full price, but I take pleasure in not giving money to the RIAA for no other reason then the way they have behaved.
Steve
1. lower their prices to something reasonable
2. go the legal download route for people who want to mix their own CDS
3. publish different/better music
Im not the first one to say these things. The RIAA just does not want to let go.
If they just did #1 most people would not want to bother with piracy or would prefer to have a cd via nice packaging.
Steve Steve
I don't know about performance
There seems to be a lot more mainstream support for GNU/Linux and a lot more development of new things. Translation: more goodies coming for GNU/Linux.
Communities?
I have had a lot more exposure to the GNU/Linux community then the BSD community.
The BSD community seems to be more dominated by mature people( with the *possible* exception of the author of the site that inspired this thread).
If they don't want to answer a question, they will not answer a question. No flaming, no ROTFM, no googling. Very smart....why waste your time typing on an issue you don't care about. If you do get ROTFMed by a BSD person chances are you will get a very sober, mature, well written, *polite* note advising you to do your own researh with some pointers.
These people kinds of people are in the majority in the GNU/Linux community as well, but that community also has a voiceferous minority of grown men who have never quite finished maturing.
The last excuse for a difference between distros IMHO would be the license issue.
I still believe in the GPL and the Free(dom) Software Movement as opposed to the open source movement.
People who develop under the BSD license must be very unselfish.
I know if I spent my spare time codeing for free of charge I would want my contributions to be shared to everyone. I would be furious if a business with a payroll, resources etc gobbled up my code, incorporated it into a proprietary venture, burped, and did not give me compensation of any kind......at least recognition. Microsofts use of BSD sockets comes to mind.
Some people will rightfully point out that the BSD license encourages some contributions that the GPL does not.....my answer to that is the overwhelming support for GNU/Linux by IBM and several other companies.
I also have to wonder that if the BSD license became popular first if the open source movement( as opposed to the Free(dom) Software Movement) would have its emphasis on sharing.
I doubt it and I doubt that the open source movement would have gotten off the ground. Many businesses would have done an M$/BSD-Socket manuevar taking, and giving nothing back with the result of there being a very small library of open source code available to everyone.
Finally, a word about user friendliness, the bastard step child of both the Free(dom) Software Movement and the open source movement.
GNU/Linux got some of it first which encouraged me to dump windows at home. That encouraged me to get used to *nix, and venture into user
UN
friendly territory, which encouraged me to like *nix for itself.....again( I had that Solaris shell account everyone did in college ).So, because of GNU/Linux I might just try and/or migrate to BSD someday.....or use both.
The two communities gain much from each other.
Steve
I hope that means for 2.0 that you will only have to load the common classes for firebird and thunderbird _once_ as you can with mozilla, now.
Right now if you use firebird and thunderbird you have to wait for both apps to load all of those classes on startup. Not a good result considering the split was done to enhance performance.
I hope that chatzilla can run as an independant app as well. Chatzilla and gaim are the nicest ( feature rich, uncluttered, self explanatory interface) IRC clients I have seen yet.
Steve
I thought GNOME had lost the battle for the heart of desktop users
Steve
It is from research I did a few years back when I was diagnosed with ADD
- 1 hour of vigourous(ie not dodge ball ) exercise every day improved symptoms of ADHD in children and helped reduce the use of drugs
dexadrine used to be used for ADHD before ritalin. It is order of magnitudes cheaper and some people find it has less unpleasant side effects. Ritalin was invented to make money not to fill a void.
some people well with dmae supplements, b vitamin supplements, and/or piracetam in lieu of stimulants
Some people think ADHD kids have trouble absorbing some nutrients they need and/or have food allergies. Some people claim better nutrition and supplementation help. YMMV
Good Luck
Steve