They're pulling it because it will open them up to serious legal issues the second someone is infected with trojans that use their software to do serious damage.
Thanks for reading:) It's always my pleasure to contribute to any discussion reguarding ICO. I think it is by far one of the most important videogames ever made because it has opened the eyes of so many, as to what gaming can be if we just gave a dam enough to work hard at it.
If the government wants to invade my privacy and monitor university internet traffic, fine. I'm no terrorist and I believe that some good can come from monitoring.
Slow down there tex. You can give up your right to privacy but you think for one fucking minute you can give up mine.
I'm 29. I grew up through the early arcade days of pacman, the home computers ranging from vic 20's, c64s, atari 800xl, atari 130xe, 286s, early macs, apple 2e, atari 2600, neogeo, nes, snes, genesis, sega cd, n64, turbo graphics, ps2, xbox.. you name it.
I've been there and played it all.
I'm now a video game artist, 3d animator, cinematic director, technical director... blah blah...
I've made a life of games so to speek and ICO is by far the best game ever made. I know there are a few people who will disagree but those who do, tend to fall into two catagories:
1 - they didnt like the fighting system. 2 - they were emotionally disconnected for whatever reason, perhaps distracted and not caught up in the moment at the right times during game play. Perhaps they arent as open to experiencing emotions as others. We do after all live in a world that tends to make fun of folks who do open themselves up to art, and the incredible emotional experience it can be.
ICO is THE example of what gaming can. ICO isnt incredible because of it's simple fight system, or graphical engine.
ICO is incredible because the structure of the game is laid out in an unfolding manner, yet subtle in story telling devices, it manages to connect with the player emotionally on a true level of concern, love, caring, sadness, deep loss, happiness and beauty.
Where it starts though is the player. Oh, ICO is certainly brilliant story telling and like all brilliant stories told through out time, they can often be misread.
ICO requires 1 thing to work, and thats YOU. You're soul, you're mind, your willingness to be taken emotionally on a journey. If you're trying to guess what will happen next, and "when will i get the rocket launcher and BFG" you're simply not going to GET ICO.
ICO begins with loneliness. And hopefully you feel it. If you dont feel it from the very beginning, i doubt you will truely enjoy the ending and ICO.
The brilliance of ICO is the emotions you experience as you progress through the story. The story is not simple, it subtle. The story does not belittle our intelligence by laying out plot with cliche bad story telling sentences like "I'm glad Johny killed The great demon because now it has unlocked all that is evil, and i have the power to rule the world, because when you found that whistle item, it gave me the keys to unlock my true power" blah blah. ICO doesnt TELL you how to feel, nor does it TELL you the story in such a manner.
ICO hints at a story... and your brain makes it real.
There are several factors to ICO's emotional connection (i've thought about this quite a bit)
1 - ICO (player) is abandoned by his tribe, sacraficed to the god of the castle or however you read it when you initially see the opening intro. I say "however you read it" because its not quite explained WHY they leave you. Later on in the game it becomes more known but you really never get an explaination. So in the very beginning you read into the cinematic based on your own interpretations which typically will be "they're sacraficing me to the gods" So you're left alone to die by your people, and you're ONLY a little boy. Thats powerful stuff. It's very mature for a game story. Funny because we have car jacking, sex, violence and yet THIS is what i consider to be mature story concept. And THIS is where the emotional state comes into play. This is where YOUR emotional invovlent/state becomes important. HOW do you accept such a notion?? A CHILD being LEFT TO DIE ALONE. CAN YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THE ROLE OF THE CHILD? This is not easy to answer because from an artists point of view such as myself, i'm a trained animator and ACTOR. I can easily put myself into a role. Lots of people can who arent trained actors.... BUT ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? This is where i feel ICO becomes a hit or a miss for many folks. CAN YOU let yourself emotionally grasp the concept of the game, the loniless, the rejection of your people, the sadness of being left to die by even your FAMILY. This is ve
The MS rep for the privacy law proposal was on C-span's Washington Journal (an excellent show i recommend all should watch)
The format of the show is that each guest gets a good 45 minute to an hour sit down interview, and takes calls for the entire 45 minutes.
I thought the MS rep had some good things to say. He said just about everything you would expect and it was pretty much on the ball.
Of course the entire time i tried to figure why MS is behind this because it's clear they're one of the biggest security problems on the internet.
The only thing i could come up with is that MS probably has software in developement that is near complete that they want to sell to all online retailers etc.
The MS rep's biggest point was that a person should beable to track their info, know where it is, who has it, what is being done with it, and when it shifts hands to outside agencies etc.
Which i'm guessing is exactly what they have in developement for a software solution. If MS could by law force all companies to use such software and provide such information to customers, then MS would have a sure sell to all buisnesses. And like i said, i bet MS has this peice of software all ready to go. All they need is a law to enforce the requirement of such applications and services.
The law is a good idea, but clearly i think MS is banking on this for a new source of revenue in the B2B world.
First of all, putting out an xbox controller for the PS2 is too small of a market to warrant doing so. Besides the PS2 controller is the best controller ever made. Sony would have better success at selling PS2 controllers for xbox:)
I have a convertor for the ps2 controller for xbox btw. I also have a usb converter to plug ps2's dual shock controller into my pc.
What Allard is saying, if you use brand X mp3 player, MS is open to supporting it for the consumers sake. It also helps MS in the long run because their console has more use and value as a result.
It would be nice to have itunes run on it, it would be nice to have it record TV shows and send them to my PSP seamlessly with little hassle.
It would be nice if Microsoft made good on its word.
I'm sure what you had to say was funny, interesting and insightful but i cant really be bothered to read a EULA even if its in reference to making fun of EULA's:)
Poison is a pretty emotive word, and I'm not convinced it applies here. Unless you see everything in black-and-white with yourself as the fearless defender of God's own American values against the heathen Socialist cheese-eating Europeans.
It has nothing to do with hating europeans. I have nothing against them and most dont. Those that do are generally ignorant asses whom have probably never interacted with any.
The bigger point is, we invented it, we started it... so they have to plug into it. Its just how it works. To simply hand over control makes no sense when we are the inventors of it.
Should we hand over control just because they want it? Thats silly! Of course they want it. We created something and control something that is extremely important in todays world. You bet your ass they want a part of it.
Airbus isnt stopping their developement of airplanes because it might put Boeing out of buisness and we dont want that.
We created it, we control it. They're free to invent technologies and split off if they want but i have a feeling they want to stay connected to us in the US:)
The world loves to bleed us dry, and our corperations love to help them succeed by allowing them for quick profit and slave labor wages.
Is the internet about to become yet another great American invention that gets handed over to the rest of the world to control and dominate?
We invented the dam thing, we should be in control of it. If they want to split off and make their own nets so be it. Everyone wants a peice of America. Actually everyone wants to chip away a peice of America. We've lost so many other industries... why not hold on to the one tech industry giant that we invented?
Actually if you've ever been or lived in or around farming towns, farmers commonly put out all kinds of crops by the side of teh road for people to buy usually for a very fair price and often in many cases just ask for you to give in good faith by placing money in a box. (read as unattended road side stand)
Its also common for farmers that do this, they tend to "ask" that you pay but often do not require it. Many do put out some of their crop for free.
I guess thats the nice part about living in a good country town, people care about each other.
Slashdot Mirror
PS3 has something Xbox doesnt... Japan
Xbox 360 will be nice but without Japan's support, it will suffer the same fate as the Xbox.
You're kidding me...
hahahahahaha
$sys$mysenseofhumor.dll
They're pulling it because it will open them up to serious legal issues the second someone is infected with trojans that use their software to do serious damage.
i totally agree about the PSP being a peice of shit.
It feels like SONY has completely abandoned the dam thing.
The PSP is a GREAT hand held but SONY lacks the vision or BALLS to turn the PSP into a phenominal portable device.
SONY's first mistake was not including a pointer pen.
The PSP could have been the be all, end all to MP3, PDA, VIDEOGAMES, MOVIES and INTERNET all in one hand held device.
Sony fucked the PSP and they continue to do so.
Go get em!
"Now he's acting like he got the shaft"
:)
He's not acting like he got the shaft...
HE GOT THE SHAFT
Thanks for reading :) It's always my pleasure to contribute to any discussion reguarding ICO. I think it is by far one of the most important videogames ever made because it has opened the eyes of so many, as to what gaming can be if we just gave a dam enough to work hard at it.
I've thought this as well.
;)
Cant we file suits against EVERYONE and EVERYTHING associated with internet technology? Cant we even sue Al Gore?
Thats one hell of a lawsuit.
Do you have any idea how hard it would be to store and edit such high resolution footage? :)
How about the costs to buy the cameras and broadcast systems?
HDTV is around to stay, for a little while atleast.
If the government wants to invade my privacy and monitor university internet traffic, fine. I'm no terrorist and I believe that some good can come from monitoring.
Slow down there tex. You can give up your right to privacy but you think for one fucking minute you can give up mine.
fuck em fuck em fuck em
rinse repeat, vote third party god dam it.
I'm 29. I grew up through the early arcade days of pacman, the home computers ranging from vic 20's, c64s, atari 800xl, atari 130xe, 286s, early macs, apple 2e, atari 2600, neogeo, nes, snes, genesis, sega cd, n64, turbo graphics, ps2, xbox.. you name it.
I've been there and played it all.
I'm now a video game artist, 3d animator, cinematic director, technical director... blah blah...
I've made a life of games so to speek and ICO is by far the best game ever made. I know there are a few people who will disagree but those who do, tend to fall into two catagories:
1 - they didnt like the fighting system.
2 - they were emotionally disconnected for whatever reason, perhaps distracted and not caught up in the moment at the right times during game play. Perhaps they arent as open to experiencing emotions as others. We do after all live in a world that tends to make fun of folks who do open themselves up to art, and the incredible emotional experience it can be.
ICO is THE example of what gaming can. ICO isnt incredible because of it's simple fight system, or graphical engine.
ICO is incredible because the structure of the game is laid out in an unfolding manner, yet subtle in story telling devices, it manages to connect with the player emotionally on a true level of concern, love, caring, sadness, deep loss, happiness and beauty.
Where it starts though is the player. Oh, ICO is certainly brilliant story telling and like all brilliant stories told through out time, they can often be misread.
ICO requires 1 thing to work, and thats YOU. You're soul, you're mind, your willingness to be taken emotionally on a journey. If you're trying to guess what will happen next, and "when will i get the rocket launcher and BFG" you're simply not going to GET ICO.
ICO begins with loneliness. And hopefully you feel it. If you dont feel it from the very beginning, i doubt you will truely enjoy the ending and ICO.
The brilliance of ICO is the emotions you experience as you progress through the story. The story is not simple, it subtle. The story does not belittle our intelligence by laying out plot with cliche bad story telling sentences like "I'm glad Johny killed The great demon because now it has unlocked all that is evil, and i have the power to rule the world, because when you found that whistle item, it gave me the keys to unlock my true power" blah blah. ICO doesnt TELL you how to feel, nor does it TELL you the story in such a manner.
ICO hints at a story... and your brain makes it real.
There are several factors to ICO's emotional connection (i've thought about this quite a bit)
1 - ICO (player) is abandoned by his tribe, sacraficed to the god of the castle or however you read it when you initially see the opening intro. I say "however you read it" because its not quite explained WHY they leave you. Later on in the game it becomes more known but you really never get an explaination. So in the very beginning you read into the cinematic based on your own interpretations which typically will be "they're sacraficing me to the gods" So you're left alone to die by your people, and you're ONLY a little boy. Thats powerful stuff. It's very mature for a game story. Funny because we have car jacking, sex, violence and yet THIS is what i consider to be mature story concept. And THIS is where the emotional state comes into play. This is where YOUR emotional invovlent/state becomes important. HOW do you accept such a notion?? A CHILD being LEFT TO DIE ALONE. CAN YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THE ROLE OF THE CHILD? This is not easy to answer because from an artists point of view such as myself, i'm a trained animator and ACTOR. I can easily put myself into a role. Lots of people can who arent trained actors.... BUT ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? This is where i feel ICO becomes a hit or a miss for many folks. CAN YOU let yourself emotionally grasp the concept of the game, the loniless, the rejection of your people, the sadness of being left to die by even your FAMILY. This is ve
Who cares. They'll be worth 100 bucks in a few months and it will just start to have a few games worth owning.
The MS rep for the privacy law proposal was on C-span's Washington Journal (an excellent show i recommend all should watch)
The format of the show is that each guest gets a good 45 minute to an hour sit down interview, and takes calls for the entire 45 minutes.
I thought the MS rep had some good things to say. He said just about everything you would expect and it was pretty much on the ball.
Of course the entire time i tried to figure why MS is behind this because it's clear they're one of the biggest security problems on the internet.
The only thing i could come up with is that MS probably has software in developement that is near complete that they want to sell to all online retailers etc.
The MS rep's biggest point was that a person should beable to track their info, know where it is, who has it, what is being done with it, and when it shifts hands to outside agencies etc.
Which i'm guessing is exactly what they have in developement for a software solution. If MS could by law force all companies to use such software and provide such information to customers, then MS would have a sure sell to all buisnesses. And like i said, i bet MS has this peice of software all ready to go. All they need is a law to enforce the requirement of such applications and services.
The law is a good idea, but clearly i think MS is banking on this for a new source of revenue in the B2B world.
No i agree, it was far too much of an open ended statement. Thats why i said "Yeah right" :)
The point being its quite hard to word it in any really effective way.
Seriously...
Bill.. Come on buddy... Cant you just see it in my way and just help a poor man out... Seriously.. shit. Peel me off 3 FUCKING BILLS, BILL!
3 MILL It's all i need!
Fucking mosquitos.
You cant really say "non application" because in a court, lawyers would just argue that it is an application or part of the application.
;)
how about "no company shall install any program that breaches the security of a computer in any manner the user is not made fully aware of"
hahah yeah right
Its a tough one. Certainly it should be illegal to install backdoors in software. (if it isnt already)
abso-fucking-loot-ly
i dont think thats what Allard is getting at.
:)
First of all, putting out an xbox controller for the PS2 is too small of a market to warrant doing so. Besides the PS2 controller is the best controller ever made. Sony would have better success at selling PS2 controllers for xbox
I have a convertor for the ps2 controller for xbox btw. I also have a usb converter to plug ps2's dual shock controller into my pc.
What Allard is saying, if you use brand X mp3 player, MS is open to supporting it for the consumers sake. It also helps MS in the long run because their console has more use and value as a result.
It would be nice to have itunes run on it, it would be nice to have it record TV shows and send them to my PSP seamlessly with little hassle.
It would be nice if Microsoft made good on its word.
I'm sure what you had to say was funny, interesting and insightful but i cant really be bothered to read a EULA even if its in reference to making fun of EULA's :)
Poison is a pretty emotive word, and I'm not convinced it applies here. Unless you see everything in black-and-white with yourself as the fearless defender of God's own American values against the heathen Socialist cheese-eating Europeans.
:)
It has nothing to do with hating europeans. I have nothing against them and most dont. Those that do are generally ignorant asses whom have probably never interacted with any.
The bigger point is, we invented it, we started it... so they have to plug into it. Its just how it works. To simply hand over control makes no sense when we are the inventors of it.
Should we hand over control just because they want it? Thats silly! Of course they want it. We created something and control something that is extremely important in todays world. You bet your ass they want a part of it.
Airbus isnt stopping their developement of airplanes because it might put Boeing out of buisness and we dont want that.
We created it, we control it. They're free to invent technologies and split off if they want but i have a feeling they want to stay connected to us in the US
The world loves to bleed us dry, and our corperations love to help them succeed by allowing them for quick profit and slave labor wages.
Is the internet about to become yet another great American invention that gets handed over to the rest of the world to control and dominate?
We invented the dam thing, we should be in control of it. If they want to split off and make their own nets so be it. Everyone wants a peice of America. Actually everyone wants to chip away a peice of America. We've lost so many other industries... why not hold on to the one tech industry giant that we invented?
Dr. Nichols:
"Just use the keyboard."
Scotty:
"Keyboard. How quaint. "
Actually if you've ever been or lived in or around farming towns, farmers commonly put out all kinds of crops by the side of teh road for people to buy usually for a very fair price and often in many cases just ask for you to give in good faith by placing money in a box. (read as unattended road side stand)
Its also common for farmers that do this, they tend to "ask" that you pay but often do not require it. Many do put out some of their crop for free.
I guess thats the nice part about living in a good country town, people care about each other.
Cause I said so.