Wowa, thank's for pointing that out I would have missed it otherwise. The work and thinking behind XKCD is both amazing and scary at the same time.
I guess I'm falling under the old timer category now, because damn this makes me nastalgic for things like being amazed at this HTML stuff learning it in high school and being amazed at how much better Netscape Navigator was from Mosaic.
Your argument might carry weight if you weren't AC and provided more then generic terms. For all I know your talking about your condo in Italy or Brazil.
Considering your talking about a small ISP that owns their own pipe's I'd wager your very much NOT in Canada.
I remember getting really excited about Quake, especially after trying the demo that came up. I was ok with the brown on brown colors and the crappy weapons because hey it's a demo, they'll put the real weapons in later.
I never finished Quake. In a lot of ways I consider Doom superior. Although now that I'm older I do appreciate what Quake did, bringing true 3D in compared to Doom's engine, but I hated the game.
I still fire Doom up from time to time but can't remember the last time I fired up Quake. Maybe I should fire it up tho, see what the latest engines offer. This article really makes me feel old.
Hey if they want to have the ad's on the boards in NHL2015 match the real life arena, that's cool. Driving around some racing sim with ad's for Nike on a billboard doesn't bother me. I really don't care. Sports games are the easiest to think up on how this would work out ok.
Now if I'm playing some dungeon hack n slash and I see an add for Vigra on the walls, they can go to hell. Or if it's like clippy and come up and tell me that if I want I can click the right trigger and buy the same Nike shoes as action hero Bill on the screen. Some games, like Fallout with Nuka Cola or GTA's mock brands I think are better then the real thing too.
Some will abuse this and some won't. Some commercials on TV are well done, some aren't. I don't think getting excited about something just because it's Advertising is the right approach, we should be looking at how it's being done.
Um when did I say I was addicted to console games? My question was to the people saying "dont buy the PS3 because Sony sucks" Ny point is how can you feel a personal hatred towards one corporation, but turn a blind eye to the other? Personally I don't have any issue with my PS3, but I DO question the sanity of people telling me the PS3 sucks because of a Rootkit on a MUSIC CD from X years ago.
And since you brought it up first, perhaps you should get psychiatric help for thinking that me buying a console makes me need psychiatric help. Seriously man, it's a console. Sony is not going to murder your family in the middle of the night. Or Nintendo. Or Microsoft.
Why do all the +5 Insightful comments have NOTHING to do with the article? Just "DONT BUY SONY THEYRE TEH EVILZ!" This is as bad as it used to be with Microsoft articles back in the day.
To all of the DONT BUY SONY CUZ THEYRE TEH EVILZ can you recommend me which game console to buy? Oh and please don't say PC, I game hours a day on my PC but I also like having a console for the console only games. Please tell me which console is not made by an evil corporation and doesn't brick with firmware upgrades? The ROCK SOLID 360? The Wii and it's recent hardware killing firmware too? Guess what, I'm going to buy the console that has the games I want. For me that's the PS3 and soon the Wii.
For the record my PS3, and the PS3's of my friends (yes, I know others with them) haven't bricked, so this is far from a EVERYONES PS3 JUST DIED that some people like to make it out to be. Saying don't buy a PS3 because SoE sucks or they released a rootkit 4 years ago is up there with saying don't buy Microsoft because Bob sucked or because they killed Netscape. Pretty much EVERY major corporation has done something evil.
Feel free to mod me down, I got some Karma to burn.
Well so far anecdotal and a gaming magazine survey is about the only stats provided. Or do you have stats that show a much lower failure rate?
If your telling someone that information is untrue, then you had best be ready with the stats showing it to be false, as apposed to telling them to provide more information.
Me and my friend spent HOURS playing BotF. An amazing game and a perfect fit for Star Trek I thought, suprised they didn't make more or fixed some of the massive bugs that game had. The balancing issues were huge like you said, but had the sequal not been canned probably been fixed. Sigh I miss that game:-(
Wow that didn't take long for the "LOLZ @ PC GAMEZ" comment to show up. Typical.
Back on topic: How can a device with no feedback whatsoever be useful on a PC? A keyboard would be superior then this in pretty much every single way except maybe motion. And even that I'm not sold on.
Or unless: It's not available to you it's on a provider that is just horrible (Up here in Canada I'd rather slit my throat then go with Bell) It wasn't out when the iPhone was released and I don't like paying Cancellation Fee's just to switch.
My iPhone was free, and I can't afford to pay full value of the Google phones that Rogers offers up here. Pre is CDMA as far as I know so I can't get one unlocked (so much for it being a fully open phone)
Your not kidding. When I was over there I wanted to buy a Japanese music CD just for the hell of it, but when I can buy a freaking BLU RAY MOVIE for less over here in Canada... it was quite shocking.
As someone who is getting into development, I wouldn't say it's a great career choice. I don't think we're any safer from the outsourcing then the hardware guys. I'm in it because i love it, but otherwise I'd get out.
What math? You gave me a vague "fully decked out mac pro for $4k" without specifying ANY stats. Which tells me you probably just went to their site found the biggest number and used that as your argument. I can do the same with Dell. Their fully decked out Gaming PC is $3999, on sale for $4832. Did your $600 System include the OS? Case? I'm assuming your components like the power supply and monitor are not crappy no names either?
Are Mac's overpriced? YES. But comparing a $600 computer with a $4000 Mac? Your hurting your argument pulling these numbers out. Had you said something like "a $4000 Dell includes x processor and y Video card while the Mac only includes z....", you'd have had a valid point.
If I'm playing NHL 2010 or w/e and there's an ad on a billboard for a game I might be interested in or a drink I might want to try... so what? Can anyone tell me what harm will come to me by not blacklisting this?
Yet oddly apparently Live is a stumbling block for Square with FF14. Apparently they're in talks but haven't figured out how to do it with Live. What I'm wondering is if Microsoft has a clause about interoperability with current generation consoles?
If they've done it before what's the deal I wonder this time...
Really? Well damn someone better tell Blizzard or Valve or the other dozen or so companies that make $$$ on PC Gaming. Or tell the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of gamers on the PC that what they're doing is stupid. I mean, who would possibly want to use a mouse and keyboard for stuff like MMO's, RTS's, FPS's, etc. *rolls eyes*
I have both a PS3 and a PC, and use them for different games. I enjoy both. I would never play a game like SF4 personally on the PC, and I would never play a game like Red Alert 3 on the PS3. Why limit myself?
Personally I don't get the big deal with seeing ad's. It's not like they're going to burn my eyes out. Now if the site uses some obtrusive blocking my view or sound clips or some such thing, THEN I'll block their ad's. But if it's some banner sitting somewhere quietly, it doesn't hurt ME to see it, so why not let it exist? If that's all it takes to show support and allow a site to exist and provide me with some value added service, what's the deal?
Granted I didn't actually RTFA since reading about stuff I can't afford makes for a sad panda:[
If I have less then $200 to spend, doesn't that mean I can't afford ANY of the consoles? Especially if I want to play ALL the games....
And ALL the good games exist for the 360? Really? There isn't a SINGLE good game that exists for the PC, Wii, or PS3, that you can't get on the 360? Intriguing. Fans of Mario, Metal Gear, and MMO's MIGHT disagree. Yes your right, Metal Gear, MMO's, and Mario is just SO obscure, I mean who's ever heard of Super Mario Bros or played Metal Gear? (sarcasim off)
So I presume your saying the that 360 Arcade, without a hard drive or wifi (which yes i can buy, for an obscene amount of money), is better bang for my buck?
Fan boys are pretty annoying... doesn't matter if their Playstation, XBox, or Nintendo fan boys. Annoying.
Yeah but the difference they noted between the PS3 and 360 for playability was 3%, while the difference in failure rate is about 40%. That's huge.
I don't think it's news to anyone that the 360's hardware has horrible reliability issues, but it's interesting to see the numbers. Shame really that people allow microsoft to get away with this. If my PS3 or PC died as often as some of my friends 360s I would have given up long ago.
Ya, kind of like how Ultima Online originally was (still is?). That was great. All of your best armor and equipment stayed in storage unused so if you died you wouldn't lose it.
I think Solar panels would be more problematic. Your right in that "the sun doesn't run out", but there's a lot more to consider. IAMAS (I'm not a Scientist) but wouldn't Solar Panels require more work to keep functional? They've always struct me as rather fragile compared to a nuclear power planet. Plus after the rovers and the problems with keeping their solar panels cleared of dust and such, I don't think you'd get 100 years out of a solar panel like you would with Nuclear.
Considering how hostile the moon's atmosphere (or lack there of) is, do you really think Uranium is going to screw up the environment on the MOON???
Dead to the press? I thought we were talking gaming being dead. Last I checked I don't much care what the press says.
Yes that's a valid concern what you raise, and thank you for proving that consoles have their place in the world. Your ignoring the benefits PC's offer, however. Both have their place.
A few million WoW gamers would like to discuss the dead PC Gaming world btw.
I disagree.. what's more instinctive about 4 buttons and 4 triggers arbitrarily located on a stick? I don't think the keyboard OR gamepad are instinctive btw. However the fact that all else being equal a mouse/keyboard user can kick the crap out of a gamepad user says something.
Besides, if it was THAT much better, why don't PC Gamers use gamepads? You can even buy a 360 controller for the PC, yet I've never seen a PC Gamer use a gamepad for playing an FPS.
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Project XI for FFXI, WoW I'm sure there's tons of options.
Wowa, thank's for pointing that out I would have missed it otherwise. The work and thinking behind XKCD is both amazing and scary at the same time.
I guess I'm falling under the old timer category now, because damn this makes me nastalgic for things like being amazed at this HTML stuff learning it in high school and being amazed at how much better Netscape Navigator was from Mosaic.
Your argument might carry weight if you weren't AC and provided more then generic terms. For all I know your talking about your condo in Italy or Brazil.
Considering your talking about a small ISP that owns their own pipe's I'd wager your very much NOT in Canada.
I remember getting really excited about Quake, especially after trying the demo that came up. I was ok with the brown on brown colors and the crappy weapons because hey it's a demo, they'll put the real weapons in later.
I never finished Quake. In a lot of ways I consider Doom superior. Although now that I'm older I do appreciate what Quake did, bringing true 3D in compared to Doom's engine, but I hated the game.
I still fire Doom up from time to time but can't remember the last time I fired up Quake. Maybe I should fire it up tho, see what the latest engines offer. This article really makes me feel old.
Hey if they want to have the ad's on the boards in NHL2015 match the real life arena, that's cool. Driving around some racing sim with ad's for Nike on a billboard doesn't bother me. I really don't care. Sports games are the easiest to think up on how this would work out ok.
Now if I'm playing some dungeon hack n slash and I see an add for Vigra on the walls, they can go to hell. Or if it's like clippy and come up and tell me that if I want I can click the right trigger and buy the same Nike shoes as action hero Bill on the screen. Some games, like Fallout with Nuka Cola or GTA's mock brands I think are better then the real thing too.
Some will abuse this and some won't. Some commercials on TV are well done, some aren't. I don't think getting excited about something just because it's Advertising is the right approach, we should be looking at how it's being done.
Um when did I say I was addicted to console games? My question was to the people saying "dont buy the PS3 because Sony sucks" Ny point is how can you feel a personal hatred towards one corporation, but turn a blind eye to the other? Personally I don't have any issue with my PS3, but I DO question the sanity of people telling me the PS3 sucks because of a Rootkit on a MUSIC CD from X years ago.
And since you brought it up first, perhaps you should get psychiatric help for thinking that me buying a console makes me need psychiatric help. Seriously man, it's a console. Sony is not going to murder your family in the middle of the night. Or Nintendo. Or Microsoft.
Why do all the +5 Insightful comments have NOTHING to do with the article? Just "DONT BUY SONY THEYRE TEH EVILZ!" This is as bad as it used to be with Microsoft articles back in the day.
To all of the DONT BUY SONY CUZ THEYRE TEH EVILZ can you recommend me which game console to buy? Oh and please don't say PC, I game hours a day on my PC but I also like having a console for the console only games. Please tell me which console is not made by an evil corporation and doesn't brick with firmware upgrades? The ROCK SOLID 360? The Wii and it's recent hardware killing firmware too? Guess what, I'm going to buy the console that has the games I want. For me that's the PS3 and soon the Wii.
For the record my PS3, and the PS3's of my friends (yes, I know others with them) haven't bricked, so this is far from a EVERYONES PS3 JUST DIED that some people like to make it out to be. Saying don't buy a PS3 because SoE sucks or they released a rootkit 4 years ago is up there with saying don't buy Microsoft because Bob sucked or because they killed Netscape. Pretty much EVERY major corporation has done something evil.
Feel free to mod me down, I got some Karma to burn.
Well so far anecdotal and a gaming magazine survey is about the only stats provided. Or do you have stats that show a much lower failure rate?
If your telling someone that information is untrue, then you had best be ready with the stats showing it to be false, as apposed to telling them to provide more information.
Me and my friend spent HOURS playing BotF. An amazing game and a perfect fit for Star Trek I thought, suprised they didn't make more or fixed some of the massive bugs that game had. The balancing issues were huge like you said, but had the sequal not been canned probably been fixed. Sigh I miss that game :-(
Wow that didn't take long for the "LOLZ @ PC GAMEZ" comment to show up. Typical.
Back on topic: How can a device with no feedback whatsoever be useful on a PC? A keyboard would be superior then this in pretty much every single way except maybe motion. And even that I'm not sold on.
Or unless:
It's not available to you
it's on a provider that is just horrible (Up here in Canada I'd rather slit my throat then go with Bell)
It wasn't out when the iPhone was released and I don't like paying Cancellation Fee's just to switch.
My iPhone was free, and I can't afford to pay full value of the Google phones that Rogers offers up here. Pre is CDMA as far as I know so I can't get one unlocked (so much for it being a fully open phone)
Guess that makes me a Snob?
Your not kidding. When I was over there I wanted to buy a Japanese music CD just for the hell of it, but when I can buy a freaking BLU RAY MOVIE for less over here in Canada... it was quite shocking.
As someone who is getting into development, I wouldn't say it's a great career choice. I don't think we're any safer from the outsourcing then the hardware guys. I'm in it because i love it, but otherwise I'd get out.
What math? You gave me a vague "fully decked out mac pro for $4k" without specifying ANY stats. Which tells me you probably just went to their site found the biggest number and used that as your argument. I can do the same with Dell. Their fully decked out Gaming PC is $3999, on sale for $4832. Did your $600 System include the OS? Case? I'm assuming your components like the power supply and monitor are not crappy no names either?
Are Mac's overpriced? YES. But comparing a $600 computer with a $4000 Mac? Your hurting your argument pulling these numbers out. Had you said something like "a $4000 Dell includes x processor and y Video card while the Mac only includes z....", you'd have had a valid point.
If I'm playing NHL 2010 or w/e and there's an ad on a billboard for a game I might be interested in or a drink I might want to try... so what? Can anyone tell me what harm will come to me by not blacklisting this?
Yet oddly apparently Live is a stumbling block for Square with FF14. Apparently they're in talks but haven't figured out how to do it with Live. What I'm wondering is if Microsoft has a clause about interoperability with current generation consoles?
If they've done it before what's the deal I wonder this time...
Really? Well damn someone better tell Blizzard or Valve or the other dozen or so companies that make $$$ on PC Gaming. Or tell the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of gamers on the PC that what they're doing is stupid. I mean, who would possibly want to use a mouse and keyboard for stuff like MMO's, RTS's, FPS's, etc. *rolls eyes*
I have both a PS3 and a PC, and use them for different games. I enjoy both. I would never play a game like SF4 personally on the PC, and I would never play a game like Red Alert 3 on the PS3. Why limit myself?
This.
Personally I don't get the big deal with seeing ad's. It's not like they're going to burn my eyes out. Now if the site uses some obtrusive blocking my view or sound clips or some such thing, THEN I'll block their ad's. But if it's some banner sitting somewhere quietly, it doesn't hurt ME to see it, so why not let it exist? If that's all it takes to show support and allow a site to exist and provide me with some value added service, what's the deal?
Granted I didn't actually RTFA since reading about stuff I can't afford makes for a sad panda :[
If I have less then $200 to spend, doesn't that mean I can't afford ANY of the consoles? Especially if I want to play ALL the games....
And ALL the good games exist for the 360? Really? There isn't a SINGLE good game that exists for the PC, Wii, or PS3, that you can't get on the 360? Intriguing. Fans of Mario, Metal Gear, and MMO's MIGHT disagree. Yes your right, Metal Gear, MMO's, and Mario is just SO obscure, I mean who's ever heard of Super Mario Bros or played Metal Gear? (sarcasim off)
So I presume your saying the that 360 Arcade, without a hard drive or wifi (which yes i can buy, for an obscene amount of money), is better bang for my buck?
Fan boys are pretty annoying... doesn't matter if their Playstation, XBox, or Nintendo fan boys. Annoying.
Yeah but the difference they noted between the PS3 and 360 for playability was 3%, while the difference in failure rate is about 40%. That's huge.
I don't think it's news to anyone that the 360's hardware has horrible reliability issues, but it's interesting to see the numbers. Shame really that people allow microsoft to get away with this. If my PS3 or PC died as often as some of my friends 360s I would have given up long ago.
Ya, kind of like how Ultima Online originally was (still is?). That was great. All of your best armor and equipment stayed in storage unused so if you died you wouldn't lose it.
Ya, that's a BRILLIANT idea....
I stand corrected, in my defense however:
1) It was early
2) I had no coffee
D) I'm CANADIAN DAMNIT!
I think Solar panels would be more problematic. Your right in that "the sun doesn't run out", but there's a lot more to consider. IAMAS (I'm not a Scientist) but wouldn't Solar Panels require more work to keep functional? They've always struct me as rather fragile compared to a nuclear power planet. Plus after the rovers and the problems with keeping their solar panels cleared of dust and such, I don't think you'd get 100 years out of a solar panel like you would with Nuclear.
Considering how hostile the moon's atmosphere (or lack there of) is, do you really think Uranium is going to screw up the environment on the MOON???
Dead to the press? I thought we were talking gaming being dead. Last I checked I don't much care what the press says.
Yes that's a valid concern what you raise, and thank you for proving that consoles have their place in the world. Your ignoring the benefits PC's offer, however. Both have their place.
A few million WoW gamers would like to discuss the dead PC Gaming world btw.
I disagree.. what's more instinctive about 4 buttons and 4 triggers arbitrarily located on a stick? I don't think the keyboard OR gamepad are instinctive btw. However the fact that all else being equal a mouse/keyboard user can kick the crap out of a gamepad user says something.
Besides, if it was THAT much better, why don't PC Gamers use gamepads? You can even buy a 360 controller for the PC, yet I've never seen a PC Gamer use a gamepad for playing an FPS.