If you wanted to say you were jealous of those who have better hardware than you, you could have just said "I'm jealous of people who have better hardware than me". Try it next time, and save the lame justifications about not noticing differences and having more cash than brains etc. Thankyou.
Sigh. You free software freaks are always talking about the worst case scenarios as if they're Right Around The Corner and coming Real Soon Now. I could get hit by a bus today, so what? I'm not going to stay inside and die. I'm going to do what's most convenient and take an acceptable risk. Ditto software. I've got the money, I see some damn good software in for example VMware, I say hell yeah, I pay, I keep moving, better and faster and more convenient than before. Yes, the Big Bad VMware Monsters could come and change my precious licence at any time. Yes, maybe my whole life will revolve around VMware at that point and I'd lose time and productivity. But really, so what. It's not worth not using it in the medium term, even short term. It's all about using what works best and choosing from what you've got available at the time.
At some point you were like that, but you became much, much more idealistic (or at least you say so, in reality you'd probably use stuff like VMware too if it was useful). When and why did that happen? What are you so afraid of? Have you been burnt by a bad licensing chance that you weren't even notified of? Have you had trouble making use of a new Nikon you purchased? Are you paranoid that in the future some features of your current Nikon will be unavailable? Is this what you worry about? What exactly has happened to you to make you feel so stronly against non free software, or is it just a bandwagon you jumped on here on slashdot?
You're abusing (just like most others) the term 'silent'. There is nothing about the G5 that makes it near silent. Yes, it manages fan speeds. Yes, there are many fans and most of the time they run slowly. But no, that doesn't make it 'near-silent', just because you can get cheapo 7000rpm fans that sound insane. The G5 makes noise, you know it and I know it, and in quiet home environments it is often unacceptable. Just face it.
2. Get noisier PC.
That PC has no fans in it except for the new graphics card. The guy could get a fanless heatsink for the card as it's just another nvidia 6800 card.
4. Realize you're still running Windows
Here we go...
Look, if you wanted to tell us all that you're jealous, just have the guts to say you're fucking jealous. I know I am!
The hardest part of putting my system together has been finding a fanless 1.5v AGP video card.
I have a Radeon 9200 with 2 notches on the AGP connector so it can plug in anywhere, and I've used it in both 1.5 and 3.3 slots. These cards are very easy to find. You can also get some fanless 9550 models.
Yeah. The early versions of OS X were dogs, and if you bought into them you got ripped off. Best way to make users think their hardware is running new software better? Make the first releases crap.
I find Debian works okay for config files. If a package has a new config file it will ask you whether you want to overwrite your existing one and backup the old one, diff them, leave the existing one in place, etc. For major changes (e.g. a recent Shorewall upgrade I did) you will often get a longer message or an email to root with notes about what you have to do next. Some config files have the customised bits put into a separate 'local.conf' sort of file so you can make changes there without touching the main config. I've never had a Debian package kill my comments or silently overwrite my settings.
The best alarm clock I've found is my cat. It sleeps in my room and always wakes up at about 5:20am, which is fine for me. Obviously most people would need a cat that gets up a bit later. The wonderful thing about it is how unobtrusive it is. It wakes me up very gently and slowly; it's hard to describe but I just gradually become aware that it's moving around a bit and scratching or jumping onto the table or whatever. It doesn't sound like much but it never fails to wake me up, and I have to get up because it starts to get annoying real quick and I have to let it outside. I'm never shocked out of sleep like an alarm clock buzzer or radio does to me. And it never fails! My cat is highly reliable for some reason. I hope other cats are like this because I'm going to need another one some day.
An analogy would be a user typing a word into google, and google *initiating* a web crawl to go through thousands and thousans of servers to find the word.
Most people's computers are fairly empty or just contain a lot of one type of file e.g..doc's. Searching them fully each time is hardly a time consuming operation. Windows has an indexing service by the way, so it doesn't have to be totally fresh each time. The only people I've seen getting excited about this is nerds with blogs i.e. no typical users.
That is simply inefficient if you search frequently.
Strange. I would say what's inefficient is having to search frequently. This notion of dump & search (e.g. Google mail) seems highly inefficient. You don't throw all your clothes into a basket and have a robot search out what you're going to wear. You just do some simple ordering, anyone's brain can do it. The fact that many people don't do this ordering on their computers would have more to do with not knowing how, rather than not wanting to. To this day my mother has difficulty understanding drives mapped to letters and how to navigate folders and so on. Why not make it easier for them to do that, instead of now imposing extra searching, grouping by searches, vfolders and whatever else comes of this. Argh, what a mess. Yet another thing to turn off in some (probably hidden) 'Advanced settings' dialog.
IMHO it doesn't seem to match how people think or even how most people's computers end up.
Reminds me... does anyone have a link to that video where the IBM employee who invented Ctrl-Alt-Del said something like "I didn't make Ctrl-Alt-Del famous, Bill did" and Bill G just sits there silent in response? I love his reaction there.
I can't wait to get a Pentium M CPU and board and whack a great big P4 heatsink on it with a very slow (or no) fan. Just can't accept the noise that's required to cool these P4 chips.
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Thanks, that's useful. Although the Flash setting applies to every site. Would be nice if you could make a blacklist of sites to disable Flash for.
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How was he 'bashing the other side' in the same manner? He was definately making generalisations, but he didn't slam you at all. In fact he asked to be met half way and took exception to religious zealots, not people like you.
On another note, why and how do you go about praying in public? I immediately thought of the Flanders family praying and getting Homer pissed off. I've never seen anyone praying in public. I think I would find it amusing but not bothersome.
and some in the audience began cheering and applauding.
Americans always cheer and applaud over everything! I've often wondered why this is. Americans: why do you feel the need to clap or shout 'yee-eah!' or 'woooo!' when you agree with something someone is saying?
Two examples: Most recently I was listening to an address made by a respected journalist, can't remember the name. It was a serious kind of speech but people kept clapping whenever he made a point. It was lame. I felt like the audience was desparate to tell the guy they could understand him and that they weren't dumb and were keeping up. You could tell he wasn't ready for this applause and the stopping/starting it caused.
Second example was an inquiry, something to do with 11/9 where senators were questioning someone from the CIA or somesuch. One of the senators was making a point about accountability, just a regular point made in a confident manner. And people in the background starting saying 'yeah!' and applauding. The senator quickly cut them off though and said "no, don't clap, don't clap" and looked annoyed, and tried to keep talking.
I just find this behaviour strange, and it seems to be unique to the USA. Is this just people being enthusiastic, and are all Americans so enthusiastic?
It requires something like 30-40 system processes just to be a normal PC. Try a/b-ing the two on the same box with any kind of benchmarking.
Number of alive processes doesn't mean anything. Look at the number of processes on a typical desktop Linux box, there's a boat load. Doesn't mean it's faster or slower just the way it's written.
No, 98 has FAT32.
Still limited in all sorts of ways.
If all your criteria are based on how well an OS performs strictly in the workplace, I feel sorry for you.
A lot of workplace critera is useful at home too, if you're sharing multiple computers on a home network which is pretty common, or sharing a computer with your brother or something.
Any OS, XP included, isn't gonna have drivers for types of hardware released after the OS was.
Well yes. But that makes XP a lot easier to use with a lot of hardware that was released between 98 and it. Just a consequence of XP being newer; it's gonna be better in those ways. This applies to most people.
What I *am* is a recording engineer, and I'd *love* to see you set up my $15,000 Ensoniq PARIS system to run on an XP or 2k box. Oh, shit, you can't. It REQUIRES 98se. Try running Hypersignal RIDE under XP. Next.
If all your criteria are based on how well an OS performs strictly in the recording studio, I feel sorry for you!
And the fact remains that 98se is THE most supported OS by software and hardware manufacturers, period.
What you need is not the most support but the most relevant support. XP has it, not 98.
UNINSTALL INTERNET EXPLODER COMPLETELY! That's pretty freakin cool if you ask me!
Why? IE6 for Win98 adds lots of good stuff including libraries you need to run a lot of newer apps, e.g. install Office and it'll probably need to install IE anyway. Plus you get those nice lockable toolbars in Explorer.
Hmmm... I might still be on 98 but support for typing other languages in NT5 is way better, probably couldn't go back. Ok that's enough filling in time, seeya.
Do you notice that windows set to 'always-on-top' appear just over the top of the taskbar? Sometimes this happens when I toggle fullscreen Mozilla or IE with F11. If you then click on the taskbar it will go back to how it normally looks, covering the bottom of the maximised window. Is there any way to fix this? For some reason I find this display rather annoying! And it doesn't happen with XP's fat taskbar.
I had to work on an NT box for a while at work, and it blue screened an average of six times a day because of a glitch in the video drivers
That's funny, I used my Linux box for a while at home, and it locked up (didn't even have the decency to give me a blue screen) often (I think you just pulled 6 out of your arse anyway) because of a glitch (or glitches) in the ATI video drivers I was using. Does that mean Linux is an abomination that should have been outlawed years ago?
I hadn't realized that I actually avoid commercial software now, and prefer FOSS, since I can make bug reports, make suggestions, and even modify if I need to.
So what. Plenty more people actually avoid FOSS software since they don't have to make bug reports, don't have to rely on others to make bug reports for them, don't have to make any suggestions for incomplete programs, and especially so that they don't need to entertain the idea of modifying programs to get them to do what they need or want.
I also realized I do NOT want software (any more) that another company controls and can decide to remove from the market, or bastardize so it's no longer the program I liked.
This I agree with. ACDSee, Adobe Acrobat, Eudora, Netscape, so many Windows programs have gone to the shitter.
If it's FOSS, I know I'll almost always be able to find an older version if I need it
I don't think this is realistic though. There are plenty of people who don't like GNOME thesedays, but you sure as hell aren't going to find them running and maintaining 1.4. Old software goes down the drain, no matter whether the code is out there or not.
but we all know games are another story..
They're not another story. The way you look at games is the way most people look at any and all software.
He is very popular with the Australian public and for good reason.
No credible opposition seems to be the reason with most people I know.
John Howard knows the long term plan of these muslims is to invade Australia and turn this country into a muslim nation.
Er, okay.
We know who our friends are, which is why we stand shoulder to shoulder with the United States.
But we don't stand shoulder to shoulder, no matter how much you like to believe. The United States is a big fat shit who stands way, way higher than we do. You and I both know that we are at cock-sucking level and no more. The worst part about this is that, as someone mentioned above, these kinds of stories don't even get reported with any or much visibility here, and nobody seems to give a shit. I really feel like this country is getting sold out bit by bit, sometimes I just feel no pride in it.
Keep in mind that those 1GHz processors are equivalent to a P3-600 or something around there. Your tasks might run smoother but they'll probably run slower.
3. Have you looked at the memory usage? Looks identical to me. Firefox can easily chew up 50mb or more just like Mozilla could.
4. And how does this actually benefit you, assuming you're not a developer? I only use adblock, which works on both.
I use Firefox, but it has never seemed to be a necessary or great advancement over the suite, and a lot of the reasons for switching to it seem like hot air. I hope the original Mozilla doesn't disappear as a result.
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If you wanted to say you were jealous of those who have better hardware than you, you could have just said "I'm jealous of people who have better hardware than me". Try it next time, and save the lame justifications about not noticing differences and having more cash than brains etc. Thankyou.
they have to offer something truly innovative and useful
No they don't. That's the problem.
Sigh. You free software freaks are always talking about the worst case scenarios as if they're Right Around The Corner and coming Real Soon Now. I could get hit by a bus today, so what? I'm not going to stay inside and die. I'm going to do what's most convenient and take an acceptable risk. Ditto software. I've got the money, I see some damn good software in for example VMware, I say hell yeah, I pay, I keep moving, better and faster and more convenient than before. Yes, the Big Bad VMware Monsters could come and change my precious licence at any time. Yes, maybe my whole life will revolve around VMware at that point and I'd lose time and productivity. But really, so what. It's not worth not using it in the medium term, even short term. It's all about using what works best and choosing from what you've got available at the time.
At some point you were like that, but you became much, much more idealistic (or at least you say so, in reality you'd probably use stuff like VMware too if it was useful). When and why did that happen? What are you so afraid of? Have you been burnt by a bad licensing chance that you weren't even notified of? Have you had trouble making use of a new Nikon you purchased? Are you paranoid that in the future some features of your current Nikon will be unavailable? Is this what you worry about? What exactly has happened to you to make you feel so stronly against non free software, or is it just a bandwagon you jumped on here on slashdot?
1. Can't stand noise from the near-silent G5.
You're abusing (just like most others) the term 'silent'. There is nothing about the G5 that makes it near silent. Yes, it manages fan speeds. Yes, there are many fans and most of the time they run slowly. But no, that doesn't make it 'near-silent', just because you can get cheapo 7000rpm fans that sound insane. The G5 makes noise, you know it and I know it, and in quiet home environments it is often unacceptable. Just face it.
2. Get noisier PC.
That PC has no fans in it except for the new graphics card. The guy could get a fanless heatsink for the card as it's just another nvidia 6800 card.
4. Realize you're still running Windows
Here we go...
Look, if you wanted to tell us all that you're jealous, just have the guts to say you're fucking jealous. I know I am!
The hardest part of putting my system together has been finding a fanless 1.5v AGP video card.
I have a Radeon 9200 with 2 notches on the AGP connector so it can plug in anywhere, and I've used it in both 1.5 and 3.3 slots. These cards are very easy to find. You can also get some fanless 9550 models.
Any thoughts?
Yeah. The early versions of OS X were dogs, and if you bought into them you got ripped off. Best way to make users think their hardware is running new software better? Make the first releases crap.
You still see ads while web browsing? How quaint.
I find Debian works okay for config files. If a package has a new config file it will ask you whether you want to overwrite your existing one and backup the old one, diff them, leave the existing one in place, etc. For major changes (e.g. a recent Shorewall upgrade I did) you will often get a longer message or an email to root with notes about what you have to do next. Some config files have the customised bits put into a separate 'local.conf' sort of file so you can make changes there without touching the main config. I've never had a Debian package kill my comments or silently overwrite my settings.
The best alarm clock I've found is my cat. It sleeps in my room and always wakes up at about 5:20am, which is fine for me. Obviously most people would need a cat that gets up a bit later. The wonderful thing about it is how unobtrusive it is. It wakes me up very gently and slowly; it's hard to describe but I just gradually become aware that it's moving around a bit and scratching or jumping onto the table or whatever. It doesn't sound like much but it never fails to wake me up, and I have to get up because it starts to get annoying real quick and I have to let it outside. I'm never shocked out of sleep like an alarm clock buzzer or radio does to me. And it never fails! My cat is highly reliable for some reason. I hope other cats are like this because I'm going to need another one some day.
An analogy would be a user typing a word into google, and google *initiating* a web crawl to go through thousands and thousans of servers to find the word.
.doc's. Searching them fully each time is hardly a time consuming operation. Windows has an indexing service by the way, so it doesn't have to be totally fresh each time. The only people I've seen getting excited about this is nerds with blogs i.e. no typical users.
Most people's computers are fairly empty or just contain a lot of one type of file e.g.
That is simply inefficient if you search frequently.
Strange. I would say what's inefficient is having to search frequently. This notion of dump & search (e.g. Google mail) seems highly inefficient. You don't throw all your clothes into a basket and have a robot search out what you're going to wear. You just do some simple ordering, anyone's brain can do it. The fact that many people don't do this ordering on their computers would have more to do with not knowing how, rather than not wanting to. To this day my mother has difficulty understanding drives mapped to letters and how to navigate folders and so on. Why not make it easier for them to do that, instead of now imposing extra searching, grouping by searches, vfolders and whatever else comes of this. Argh, what a mess. Yet another thing to turn off in some (probably hidden) 'Advanced settings' dialog.
IMHO it doesn't seem to match how people think or even how most people's computers end up.
Reminds me... does anyone have a link to that video where the IBM employee who invented Ctrl-Alt-Del said something like "I didn't make Ctrl-Alt-Del famous, Bill did" and Bill G just sits there silent in response? I love his reaction there.
it hits a maximum of 52deg Celsius
Then the question becomes 'with how much noise?'
I can't wait to get a Pentium M CPU and board and whack a great big P4 heatsink on it with a very slow (or no) fan. Just can't accept the noise that's required to cool these P4 chips.
Thanks, that's useful. Although the Flash setting applies to every site. Would be nice if you could make a blacklist of sites to disable Flash for.
I'm looking at:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/isabellevandenberg/6
I can't find a link to the image URL next to the picture, nor can I see a URL to alternate sizes of the picture.
Do I need to disable Flash (and is there an easy way of doing so in Mozilla?) to see these links?
How was he 'bashing the other side' in the same manner? He was definately making generalisations, but he didn't slam you at all. In fact he asked to be met half way and took exception to religious zealots, not people like you.
On another note, why and how do you go about praying in public? I immediately thought of the Flanders family praying and getting Homer pissed off. I've never seen anyone praying in public. I think I would find it amusing but not bothersome.
We get a full-fledged Slashdot peanut gallery bashing us "religious fundamentalists".
Yes. Is there a problem?
Actually I thought "September 11th" which comes out as 11/9. But yeah 911 would be the more popular way, I don't mind really.
and some in the audience began cheering and applauding.
Americans always cheer and applaud over everything! I've often wondered why this is. Americans: why do you feel the need to clap or shout 'yee-eah!' or 'woooo!' when you agree with something someone is saying?
Two examples: Most recently I was listening to an address made by a respected journalist, can't remember the name. It was a serious kind of speech but people kept clapping whenever he made a point. It was lame. I felt like the audience was desparate to tell the guy they could understand him and that they weren't dumb and were keeping up. You could tell he wasn't ready for this applause and the stopping/starting it caused.
Second example was an inquiry, something to do with 11/9 where senators were questioning someone from the CIA or somesuch. One of the senators was making a point about accountability, just a regular point made in a confident manner. And people in the background starting saying 'yeah!' and applauding. The senator quickly cut them off though and said "no, don't clap, don't clap" and looked annoyed, and tried to keep talking.
I just find this behaviour strange, and it seems to be unique to the USA. Is this just people being enthusiastic, and are all Americans so enthusiastic?
It requires something like 30-40 system processes just to be a normal PC. Try a/b-ing the two on the same box with any kind of benchmarking.
Number of alive processes doesn't mean anything. Look at the number of processes on a typical desktop Linux box, there's a boat load. Doesn't mean it's faster or slower just the way it's written.
No, 98 has FAT32.
Still limited in all sorts of ways.
If all your criteria are based on how well an OS performs strictly in the workplace, I feel sorry for you.
A lot of workplace critera is useful at home too, if you're sharing multiple computers on a home network which is pretty common, or sharing a computer with your brother or something.
Any OS, XP included, isn't gonna have drivers for types of hardware released after the OS was.
Well yes. But that makes XP a lot easier to use with a lot of hardware that was released between 98 and it. Just a consequence of XP being newer; it's gonna be better in those ways. This applies to most people.
What I *am* is a recording engineer, and I'd *love* to see you set up my $15,000 Ensoniq PARIS system to run on an XP or 2k box. Oh, shit, you can't. It REQUIRES 98se. Try running Hypersignal RIDE under XP. Next.
If all your criteria are based on how well an OS performs strictly in the recording studio, I feel sorry for you!
And the fact remains that 98se is THE most supported OS by software and hardware manufacturers, period.
What you need is not the most support but the most relevant support. XP has it, not 98.
UNINSTALL INTERNET EXPLODER COMPLETELY! That's pretty freakin cool if you ask me!
Why? IE6 for Win98 adds lots of good stuff including libraries you need to run a lot of newer apps, e.g. install Office and it'll probably need to install IE anyway. Plus you get those nice lockable toolbars in Explorer.
Hmmm... I might still be on 98 but support for typing other languages in NT5 is way better, probably couldn't go back. Ok that's enough filling in time, seeya.
Here's an offtopic question about Win2K.
Do you notice that windows set to 'always-on-top' appear just over the top of the taskbar? Sometimes this happens when I toggle fullscreen Mozilla or IE with F11. If you then click on the taskbar it will go back to how it normally looks, covering the bottom of the maximised window. Is there any way to fix this? For some reason I find this display rather annoying! And it doesn't happen with XP's fat taskbar.
I had to work on an NT box for a while at work, and it blue screened an average of six times a day because of a glitch in the video drivers
That's funny, I used my Linux box for a while at home, and it locked up (didn't even have the decency to give me a blue screen) often (I think you just pulled 6 out of your arse anyway) because of a glitch (or glitches) in the ATI video drivers I was using. Does that mean Linux is an abomination that should have been outlawed years ago?
I hadn't realized that I actually avoid commercial software now, and prefer FOSS, since I can make bug reports, make suggestions, and even modify if I need to.
So what. Plenty more people actually avoid FOSS software since they don't have to make bug reports, don't have to rely on others to make bug reports for them, don't have to make any suggestions for incomplete programs, and especially so that they don't need to entertain the idea of modifying programs to get them to do what they need or want.
I also realized I do NOT want software (any more) that another company controls and can decide to remove from the market, or bastardize so it's no longer the program I liked.
This I agree with. ACDSee, Adobe Acrobat, Eudora, Netscape, so many Windows programs have gone to the shitter.
If it's FOSS, I know I'll almost always be able to find an older version if I need it
I don't think this is realistic though. There are plenty of people who don't like GNOME thesedays, but you sure as hell aren't going to find them running and maintaining 1.4. Old software goes down the drain, no matter whether the code is out there or not.
but we all know games are another story..
They're not another story. The way you look at games is the way most people look at any and all software.
He is very popular with the Australian public and for good reason.
No credible opposition seems to be the reason with most people I know.
John Howard knows the long term plan of these muslims is to invade Australia and turn this country into a muslim nation.
Er, okay.
We know who our friends are, which is why we stand shoulder to shoulder with the United States.
But we don't stand shoulder to shoulder, no matter how much you like to believe. The United States is a big fat shit who stands way, way higher than we do. You and I both know that we are at cock-sucking level and no more. The worst part about this is that, as someone mentioned above, these kinds of stories don't even get reported with any or much visibility here, and nobody seems to give a shit. I really feel like this country is getting sold out bit by bit, sometimes I just feel no pride in it.
Keep in mind that those 1GHz processors are equivalent to a P3-600 or something around there. Your tasks might run smoother but they'll probably run slower.
1) (Mostly) Superior UI.
2) Faster. Waaay faster.
3) Smaller and less bloated, meaning lower memory requirements.
4) More easily extensible.
1. Yep it's a bit better
2. Another 'Firefox is faster' claim. It never has been in my experience. Maybe Mozila is actually faster.
3. Have you looked at the memory usage? Looks identical to me. Firefox can easily chew up 50mb or more just like Mozilla could.
4. And how does this actually benefit you, assuming you're not a developer? I only use adblock, which works on both.
I use Firefox, but it has never seemed to be a necessary or great advancement over the suite, and a lot of the reasons for switching to it seem like hot air. I hope the original Mozilla doesn't disappear as a result.