Or if you don't want to get robbed, don't keep valuables in your home. If you don't want to get mugged, beaten, murdered or raped, don't go outside. How simple it all is.
This sounds like an apples and oranges comparison to me. data, music, video does not have physical substance accept on the media it comes on. when you tell someone an idea or show him how to play a song, its no longer yours to control anymore, and thats they way it should be IMHO. making a copy of something does not rid anyone of anything. Profits are gained by people making good will efforts to compensate people, that will always be that way regardless if some people decide to make copies available for free or not.
You can't make games like Mass Effect and Gears of War with a couple of small donations from a few people, and if those games aren't made then there's nothing for people to take freely.
I definitely agree with you on that, as I said I still believe in peoples ability to compensate artists or companies that make something worth value. But trying to control distribution on the internet or in digital form is insanity. take a look at this from outside of the current brick and mortar business model and you will see that this is true.
In this respect, how is the Internet different than analog broadcast? I can't touch or hold any broadcast any more than I can touch or hold a digital stream.
There isnt any differnce, thats the point. when you make somthing like music, video or computer code and make a copy of it, you are transfering that experince to the world. Your expectations or hopes of making a return off of it are dictated by how much the world feels it is worth to them. This is going to vary from person to person depending on their life situation. Some may want to steal your copies and use it for their own purposes, while others will buy a copy from you because it gives them value. Personal I have faith in peoples inheriant desire to do good. but that desire has limits, espcially when people feel that you are tring to control their experince by making them wrong for doing somthing they they feel is right. Like giving a copy to someone wheahter its over the internet or not. When you create somthing and it to the world without expectation, that good jesture will be returned to you, but not always in the way that you expect. The world gives to you exactley what you need at each moment, even if its to teach you a lesson that may at first appear to be negative.
The reasoning you have on sharing ideas seems pretty odd on a site whose constituents routinely say that the recording and movie industries and their products don't have any ideas.
Very odd, and very counter-intuitive. But experince has taught me that most things that are benifical to us are counter-intuitive. The people on slashdot might say that there isnt any good ideas comming out of the industry, and Id have to say there is some truth to that, but there is also truth in the fact that the movie industry is making good things and doing good to the world as well. But people tend to focus on the negative when they feel wronged. When people feel wronged it accumulates and multiplies, until it becomes clouded by half truths and mis-understandings driven by anger and a feling of being wronged..
I think your argument is specious in another way, because it is continually getting easier and cheaper for anyone to make their own images, music and videos to share their own artistic views, why advocate the sharing the works of those that are least interested in it? The quicker we leave them out of it, the quicker they'll go away.
I don't think I can answer that accept to say their must be a reason for it,maybe its to get back at them, maybe its because there is a connection between the work and two or more people, who knows... but I don't think its going to help to try any deny that it shouldn't be happening just the way it is. We should work with it they way it is until it changes.
People should be compensated, but I just don't think we have any control over that any more. if someone wants to take your idea and run with it, its because you gave him the means to use it. If you don't want it used in ways you didn't instead, then don't release it to the public..
Personally I believe in peoples good will to compensate you when you did something worthy, there will always be people that take freely, and give freely. Maybe people are taking because they are in need, and maybe the people that don't need to take are giving because they have what the need.
I don't think there is any question that people can be born bad. It's called anti-social personality disorder, and in its more extreme forms, sociopathic or psychopathic. There is an acronym for remembering the diagnostic criteria: corrupt.
* C - cannot follow law
* O - obligations ignored
* R - remorselessness
* R - recklessness
* U - underhandedness
* P - planning deficit
* T - temper
Wow, I have all of those of some degree.. I guess they should take me away and lock me up for the rest of my life, since I was born bad and all.
One think I have learn about subjecting people to rigid concepts is that you give yourself no room to understand people. When you turn someone into a concept he ceases to be a human being and suffering occurs on both sides weather its conscious or not. This is one of the main reasons why this country is so fucked up in the first place.
God dammit! I just bought 2 gigs of really high quality ram now they are telling me I need 2 more gigs for optimal performance? and to top it off I need to upgrade to 64 bit?
This all comes down to fear, people high up in the UK government (or parliament? is that the right term? sorry if its not) are afraid of having more bombings so they will do anything that gives an illusion that will prevent it. its the same thing that happened with 911 and the patriot act. The act doesnt do a god dam thing accept give more power to the government to oppress its own people for the sake of greed.
"Prime Minister Tony Blair has responded personally via email to 28,000 online petitioners opposing the UK's planned identity card scheme, and has closed the online petition. The email reads: 'We live in a world in which people, money and information are more mobile than ever before. Terrorists and international criminal gangs increasingly exploit this to move undetected across borders and to disappear within countries. Terrorists routinely use multiple identities -- up to 50 at a time... ID cards which contain biometric recognition details and which are linked to a National Identity Register will make this much more difficult.'"
we want more control over the population, for your protection, because frankly, you cant think for your selfs, so we'll just have to do that for you.
Complain about training them in bad DMCA-style law enforcement, or in RIAA-scare-tactics. Don't complain about a foreign country asking and receiving assistance.
I doubt very highly, that the people of Sweden are in any way interested in copyright infringement law enforcement. Its lunacy to even be talking about it, copyright infringement is our countries way of trying to hold back the tide of an every increasing momentum of free expression. This isn't book and print. You put something out on the net or make it digital it no longer has any substance. It exists in the minds of the people that create it and experience it. Sharing ideas whether they originated with you are not is a natural part of how we express our selfs. Get over it, and move the fuck on.
im sitting here laughing, and then I realize that my laughs are turning to choking from a cold I have to the point that I cant breath any more, thank you, you allmost killed me..
Aggreed, and I wouldn't call it common sense though, common sense is highly objective, its more like having an understanding about humanity that goes beyond profits and gains. Money is a byproduct for what you do to help others live better lives. When you making someones life better, generally speaking, they fell compelled to help you in return.
Market dynamics do not seem to work that way. It separates the service a company or individual provides to the public from the monetary gains when ultimately they are both connected.
I dont care what anybody thinks. I love the Amiga, and it was a sad day when I had to give it up because it was not keeping pace with the rest of the world.
Awe inspiring games came out of that machine, Out Of this World, and Another World all the stuff from Delphine Software for that matter. To this day I think about how those games were designed, and it still effects me on a basic level as I work on my multimedia projects.
All I got to say is keep the Amiga posts coming I love to listen to peoples version of the days of old. And down with the naysayers, you will never understand the power of the dark side my padawan learners!
But that would have been the case throughout the last few hundred years of politics, as whoever has the money for the printing press gets to put their views across. If anything, the UK is better for this because non-televised media wear their political biases as badge of honor, not something they try to hide as being "fair and balanced". If I want a right wing view, I read the Telegraph, if I want a left wing view the Guardian, with a whole spectrum of papers to choose from. I find the whole idea of forcing "fairness" absurd.
You just skipped right over the fact that the person or group with the most money is the one that is going to get his view across to the public, and since there is no checks and balances to this system he can pretty much say what he wants. That way of doing things pretty much works as the propaganda machine did that Germany implemented to persuade what the country was doing was right, even though they were killing millions of jews.
I'm sorry to say my friend, when money and power is involved and you have a group mind set that has interests that dont support the common good (Maintaining Truth so people can make informed choices), A group doesn't have the right to say whatever the fuck you want.
This was designed too allow the common man to speak his mind. When you have someone being paid to speak on the behalf of other people, and those people have special interests, that run counter to the good will of the people, Sorry but, I dont think it applies.
I, for one, like living in a society ruled by laws rather than the whims of men. If by 'legal regime' the author means a legal structure in which to resolve disputes, I am all for it. After all, disputes will happen and the law should provide a means to deal with them in a civilized and fair manner. By referring to an attempt to codify our values as a regime we indicate that we are no longer willing to participate in this discourse and abdicate any power we might have to influence the outcome in a way beneficial to us. We shouldn't focus on the fact that there will be laws that may limit what we can do when interacting with other people, but should remember that laws have their uses and abuses and we should try to participate in the process. If we don't I guarantee to you that someone will and that their interests will be considered with a weight proportional to the energy and money they invested in the process. As individuals and groups without great political and economic resources we shouldn't turn out backs on the very idea of law, it's all we have.
Laws are or should be created to benefit the people/public of where they reside. When laws are created to benefit a group of people that share a limited view of how things should be in the world (such as a corporation that has only monetary concerns) you run into the problem of having conflicting interests that dont represent the bigger picture of life in a civilized society. So No I dont think laws should be created for special interests groups that have no stake, interest or understanding of how the public society works. Its designed only to represent the rich and powerful at the expense of the individual.
The problem is that content delivery systems like steam and games like have life 2 require administrative rights to the computer to preform security checks and decryption of content. Personally I dont think any developer should have that kind of unrestricted access to a machine where they are trying to maintain some kind of copy protection on the end-users system. hopefully stuff like root kits and copy protection schemes like starforce will be a thing of the past for the most part.
My worry is that people who don't appreciate the spirit in which content it published onto social networking sites might take that information and use it against people. That's a cynical and perhaps pessimistic view, but not a closed-minded one.
pessimism (ps'-mz'm)
1. A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view: "We have seen too much defeatism, too much pessimism, too much of a negative approach" (Margo Jones).
2. The doctrine or belief that this is the worst of all possible worlds and that all things ultimately tend toward evil.
3. The doctrine or belief that the evil in the world outweighs the good.
cynical 1. like or characteristic of a cynic; distrusting or disparaging the motives of others. 2. showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, esp. by actions that exploit the scruples of others. 3. bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic. 4. (initial capital letter) cynic (def. 5).
I dont mean to point out the obvious, but to be pessimistic is to have a negative view of the world. Negativity and close mindedness goes hand in hand. When you have a negative view of the world, you are closing yourself off to the good that is in each and every situation, regardless if you can see it or not.
See, the military is already prepared for that answer. If you refuse a direct order in the field -- and make no mistake, when they come for you, it won't be in an office meeting -- you get shot on the spot. What is the likelihood of a significant portion of the military defecting after watching their friend get his head blown off by their commander, with the gun is now pointed directly at them?
Ohh boy... wanna cool it with the dramatics? Point #1 never underestimate the power of a group of people with a belief that is strong enough to overcome their duty. Its hardwired into their system. If you are part of something that you know is wrong and you get togeather with a group of people that believe the same thing. Guess what? you got a situation where those people are no longer going to follow orders, I dont care how much brainwashing happened.
You are underestimating the power of people to do what is right at any given moment.
Good Argument, thanks. I still think the focus needs to be placed on education (mental health) (Equality) (respect for human life) before we start thinking of banning weapons outright.
You cant even being to understand the self-corrective nature of people, and their ability to keep things honest. I think people have a hard time understanding that the more people you put in control of a system, the more lilkly it is to be free of corruption and errors.
I really think this is what is wrong with captalizm in this country, in general. When companies are not able to see the bigger picture of providing something of value to the public that furthers our understanding of our selfs. Money/Compensation is a BYPRODUCT of what you do for other peoples lives. Anytime you put the focus on money first as an end goal to itself, you lose. Not economically, but deep inside something in us dies. We are meant to do much more that provide material wealth for us and our families, thats an important part, but its too easy to make it "the only thing that counts" so much so, that we loose the sense of what we are ultimately here to do.
If we as a country dont get control of this problem, we will be living in a world with out spirit, without life. Subject a machine or system that drives the human spirit out of existence.
PUhlease! If you want that level of care, maybe you should follow her around to make sure she doesn't get hurt? instead of making everyone else have to sit though your conversations about the weather during a movie?
If you have surrendered your capacity to take decisions, to think for yourself, and to control your own destiny, then you are oppressed (according to Marx and others). Religion is, by this definition, oppression.
religion 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
I agree to a certain extent that religion, if thought of and used in the wrong way religion can be a form of oppression on the person believing what other people tell him. But I also think that the person who makes his own decisions on what is right or wrong can also use religion as a practice or ritual that helps people connect with each other on a common ground as to what can make this world a better place to live in. Its not the end all solution, and people are free to make there own decisions on what is right and wrong. Religion becomes the most dangerous when it is imposed on people, by people that don't understand the implications of their actions. Secondly, Rituals still have significance in allot of cultures and are used to help boys become men, our society has allot of people running around that are still in boyhood as we lack a standard "coming of age" ritual. This is problem the reason why this country is so messed up now.
I have been studying dreams for a couple of years now, and for me sleep is vital. I record my dreams after I wake up and use their symbolism to better understand what my unconscious is trying to help me understand. I believe that the unconscious mind uses dreams to send messages to the conscious mind to help humans become more successful and live longer.
If that were removed I can imagine our psychology would find another way to send messages to the conscious mind while we were awake, which might me much more dangerous and stressful on our biology.
This drug really sounds pretty dangerous if someone were to use for extended periods of time.
Ballmer's little "made ya look!" trick has done nothing but cause a huge ruckus. It's as FUD as FUD can get.
I might even re-install OpenSuSE after all is said and done. (using Gnome this time)
LOL, I know exactly what you mean, my first thought was, man you know what im getting tired of MS's crap.. I wonder if I can run some of my windows apps that I couldn't run before in Linux now..
After a little google searching, Sure enough almost everything I am running in windows I can run in Linux, im gonna start building a Linux environment and port everything over. After what I am hearing about Vista's EULA nightmare, its just not really worth the hassle anymore to deal with a product that is going to prevent me from doing what I need to do and to top it of we got some fucking chair throwing punk talking smack like he knows what he is talking about when we all know he is just a whinny little bitach.
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This sounds like an apples and oranges comparison to me. data, music, video does not have physical substance accept on the media it comes on. when you tell someone an idea or show him how to play a song, its no longer yours to control anymore, and thats they way it should be IMHO. making a copy of something does not rid anyone of anything. Profits are gained by people making good will efforts to compensate people, that will always be that way regardless if some people decide to make copies available for free or not.
I definitely agree with you on that, as I said I still believe in peoples ability to compensate artists or companies that make something worth value. But trying to control distribution on the internet or in digital form is insanity. take a look at this from outside of the current brick and mortar business model and you will see that this is true.
There isnt any differnce, thats the point. when you make somthing like music, video or computer code and make a copy of it, you are transfering that experince to the world. Your expectations or hopes of making a return off of it are dictated by how much the world feels it is worth to them. This is going to vary from person to person depending on their life situation. Some may want to steal your copies and use it for their own purposes, while others will buy a copy from you because it gives them value. Personal I have faith in peoples inheriant desire to do good. but that desire has limits, espcially when people feel that you are tring to control their experince by making them wrong for doing somthing they they feel is right. Like giving a copy to someone wheahter its over the internet or not. When you create somthing and it to the world without expectation, that good jesture will be returned to you, but not always in the way that you expect. The world gives to you exactley what you need at each moment, even if its to teach you a lesson that may at first appear to be negative.
Very odd, and very counter-intuitive. But experince has taught me that most things that are benifical to us are counter-intuitive. The people on slashdot might say that there isnt any good ideas comming out of the industry, and Id have to say there is some truth to that, but there is also truth in the fact that the movie industry is making good things and doing good to the world as well. But people tend to focus on the negative when they feel wronged. When people feel wronged it accumulates and multiplies, until it becomes clouded by half truths and mis-understandings driven by anger and a feling of being wronged..
I don't think I can answer that accept to say their must be a reason for it,maybe its to get back at them, maybe its because there is a connection between the work and two or more people, who knows... but I don't think its going to help to try any deny that it shouldn't be happening just the way it is. We should work with it they way it is until it changes.
People should be compensated, but I just don't think we have any control over that any more. if someone wants to take your idea and run with it, its because you gave him the means to use it. If you don't want it used in ways you didn't instead, then don't release it to the public..
Personally I believe in peoples good will to compensate you when you did something worthy, there will always be people that take freely, and give freely. Maybe people are taking because they are in need, and maybe the people that don't need to take are giving because they have what the need.
Wow, I have all of those of some degree.. I guess they should take me away and lock me up for the rest of my life, since I was born bad and all.
One think I have learn about subjecting people to rigid concepts is that you give yourself no room to understand people. When you turn someone into a concept he ceases to be a human being and suffering occurs on both sides weather its conscious or not. This is one of the main reasons why this country is so fucked up in the first place.
God dammit! I just bought 2 gigs of really high quality ram now they are telling me I need 2 more gigs for optimal performance? and to top it off I need to upgrade to 64 bit?
:)
man give a brother a break..
This all comes down to fear, people high up in the UK government (or parliament? is that the right term? sorry if its not) are afraid of having more bombings so they will do anything that gives an illusion that will prevent it. its the same thing that happened with 911 and the patriot act. The act doesnt do a god dam thing accept give more power to the government to oppress its own people for the sake of greed.
we want more control over the population, for your protection, because frankly, you cant think for your selfs, so we'll just have to do that for you.
I doubt very highly, that the people of Sweden are in any way interested in copyright infringement law enforcement. Its lunacy to even be talking about it, copyright infringement is our countries way of trying to hold back the tide of an every increasing momentum of free expression. This isn't book and print. You put something out on the net or make it digital it no longer has any substance. It exists in the minds of the people that create it and experience it. Sharing ideas whether they originated with you are not is a natural part of how we express our selfs. Get over it, and move the fuck on.
im sitting here laughing, and then I realize that my laughs are turning to choking from a cold I have to the point that I cant breath any more, thank you, you allmost killed me..
I wouldnt have subjected myself to that bullshit anyway, My personal business is my own, so long as it doesn not infringe on the rights of others.
Aggreed, and I wouldn't call it common sense though, common sense is highly objective, its more like having an understanding about humanity that goes beyond profits and gains. Money is a byproduct for what you do to help others live better lives. When you making someones life better, generally speaking, they fell compelled to help you in return.
Market dynamics do not seem to work that way. It separates the service a company or individual provides to the public from the monetary gains when ultimately they are both connected.
I dont care what anybody thinks. I love the Amiga, and it was a sad day when I had to give it up because it was not keeping pace with the rest of the world.
:)
Awe inspiring games came out of that machine, Out Of this World, and Another World all the stuff from Delphine Software for that matter. To this day I think about how those games were designed, and it still effects me on a basic level as I work on my multimedia projects.
All I got to say is keep the Amiga posts coming I love to listen to peoples version of the days of old. And down with the naysayers, you will never understand the power of the dark side my padawan learners!
http://www.amigaforever.com/ Biatches!
You just skipped right over the fact that the person or group with the most money is the one that is going to get his view across to the public, and since there is no checks and balances to this system he can pretty much say what he wants. That way of doing things pretty much works as the propaganda machine did that Germany implemented to persuade what the country was doing was right, even though they were killing millions of jews.
I'm sorry to say my friend, when money and power is involved and you have a group mind set that has interests that dont support the common good (Maintaining Truth so people can make informed choices), A group doesn't have the right to say whatever the fuck you want.
This was designed too allow the common man to speak his mind. When you have someone being paid to speak on the behalf of other people, and those people have special interests, that run counter to the good will of the people, Sorry but, I dont think it applies.
Laws are or should be created to benefit the people/public of where they reside. When laws are created to benefit a group of people that share a limited view of how things should be in the world (such as a corporation that has only monetary concerns) you run into the problem of having conflicting interests that dont represent the bigger picture of life in a civilized society. So No I dont think laws should be created for special interests groups that have no stake, interest or understanding of how the public society works. Its designed only to represent the rich and powerful at the expense of the individual.
The problem is that content delivery systems like steam and games like have life 2 require administrative rights to the computer to preform security checks and decryption of content. Personally I dont think any developer should have that kind of unrestricted access to a machine where they are trying to maintain some kind of copy protection on the end-users system. hopefully stuff like root kits and copy protection schemes like starforce will be a thing of the past for the most part.
pessimism (ps'-mz'm)
1. A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view: "We have seen too much defeatism, too much pessimism, too much of a negative approach" (Margo Jones).
2. The doctrine or belief that this is the worst of all possible worlds and that all things ultimately tend toward evil.
3. The doctrine or belief that the evil in the world outweighs the good.
cynical
1. like or characteristic of a cynic; distrusting or disparaging the motives of others.
2. showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, esp. by actions that exploit the scruples of others.
3. bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic.
4. (initial capital letter) cynic (def. 5).
I dont mean to point out the obvious, but to be pessimistic is to have a negative view of the world. Negativity and close mindedness goes hand in hand. When you have a negative view of the world, you are closing yourself off to the good that is in each and every situation, regardless if you can see it or not.
Ohh boy... wanna cool it with the dramatics? Point #1 never underestimate the power of a group of people with a belief that is strong enough to overcome their duty. Its hardwired into their system. If you are part of something that you know is wrong and you get togeather with a group of people that believe the same thing. Guess what? you got a situation where those people are no longer going to follow orders, I dont care how much brainwashing happened.
You are underestimating the power of people to do what is right at any given moment.
Good Argument, thanks.
I still think the focus needs to be placed on education (mental health) (Equality) (respect for human life) before we start thinking of banning weapons outright.
You cant even being to understand the self-corrective nature of people, and their ability to keep things honest. I think people have a hard time understanding that the more people you put in control of a system, the more lilkly it is to be free of corruption and errors.
I really think this is what is wrong with captalizm in this country, in general. When companies are not able to see the bigger picture of providing something of value to the public that furthers our understanding of our selfs. Money/Compensation is a BYPRODUCT of what you do for other peoples lives. Anytime you put the focus on money first as an end goal to itself, you lose. Not economically, but deep inside something in us dies. We are meant to do much more that provide material wealth for us and our families, thats an important part, but its too easy to make it "the only thing that counts" so much so, that we loose the sense of what we are ultimately here to do.
If we as a country dont get control of this problem, we will be living in a world with out spirit, without life. Subject a machine or system that drives the human spirit out of existence.
PUhlease! If you want that level of care, maybe you should follow her around to make sure she doesn't get hurt? instead of making everyone else have to sit though your conversations about the weather during a movie?
religion
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
I agree to a certain extent that religion, if thought of and used in the wrong way religion can be a form of oppression on the person believing what other people tell him. But I also think that the person who makes his own decisions on what is right or wrong can also use religion as a practice or ritual that helps people connect with each other on a common ground as to what can make this world a better place to live in. Its not the end all solution, and people are free to make there own decisions on what is right and wrong. Religion becomes the most dangerous when it is imposed on people, by people that don't understand the implications of their actions. Secondly, Rituals still have significance in allot of cultures and are used to help boys become men, our society has allot of people running around that are still in boyhood as we lack a standard "coming of age" ritual. This is problem the reason why this country is so messed up now.
I have been studying dreams for a couple of years now, and for me sleep is vital. I record my dreams after I wake up and use their symbolism to better understand what my unconscious is trying to help me understand. I believe that the unconscious mind uses dreams to send messages to the conscious mind to help humans become more successful and live longer.
If that were removed I can imagine our psychology would find another way to send messages to the conscious mind while we were awake, which might me much more dangerous and stressful on our biology.
This drug really sounds pretty dangerous if someone were to use for extended periods of time.
LOL, I know exactly what you mean, my first thought was, man you know what im getting tired of MS's crap.. I wonder if I can run some of my windows apps that I couldn't run before in Linux now..
After a little google searching, Sure enough almost everything I am running in windows I can run in Linux, im gonna start building a Linux environment and port everything over. After what I am hearing about Vista's EULA nightmare, its just not really worth the hassle anymore to deal with a product that is going to prevent me from doing what I need to do and to top it of we got some fucking chair throwing punk talking smack like he knows what he is talking about when we all know he is just a whinny little bitach.