I can't speak for the asian countries since I've never been there, but
according to http://www.internetworldstats.com/asia/th.htm, the situation in
countries like Thailand is way better than what you describe (I didn't take
the time to check the other countries). You'll find poor people with
really bad jobs, that's true, but it's not the norm as most of the foreigners
seem to think.
To speak from my local experience: "Broadband" Internet Penetration (broadband by local
standards is 128Kbps+) in Medellin was near 18% in 2008 (http://medellin.gov.co), not
great but definitely nowhere near your numbers. The situation in Argentina,
Brazil and Mexico is way better, so I don't know what you use to create
your estimates.
Have you considered serving relevant ads to your users in those regions?
The ads I see for all networks (including AdSense) in Latin America are: "Find sexy colombians", "Get a degree at the University of Phoenix, Arizona" and "Green Card Lottery, click here!". Maybe that has something to do with the companies not generating enough revenue.
I'd love to know which third world countries you've visited, saying that 99.9% of the population connects through internet cafes just shows some ignorance from your part. Maybe we have to divide third world between "really undeveloped countries" (Western Africa) and "undeveloped countries" (Latin America, Middle East).
Federico, a guy from Colombia (LA) with a standard 3Mb connection who doesn't work in a sweatshop making Nike shoes.
No. JavaScript is a scripting language, whereas Java is a full-fledged programming language. Javascript is also a full fledged programming language, whatever that means, you can run it inside a JVM (Mozilla Rhino) or using any other engine like Spidermonkey, which means you can pretty much do the same things you can do in Java.
I guess I should know by now to expect most people to not know what they're talking about when they post. Funny, eh?:)
The question is flawed. Anyone worth their weight as a programmer doesn't care what language they
program in. False, I don't think there's one programmer on earth who sees all languages as the same, without having one predilect language. Knowing how to use tool X in situation Y != don't caring about our tools. That "school" of thinking comes from SE101 courses where they teach you how to draw a lot of diagrams thinking that code and progamming don't matter in the real world, get rid of it.
But Programing Methodoligy should they work with. Some of us program using various paradigms at the same time so this is not as important as you think. Btw, it's methodology.
Assuming that you use to Object Orianted Languages Oriented.
deveation Deviation?
Assuming that you use to Object Orianted Languages which are a deveation of Procedural Based Languges. We could have a nice discussion about that.
They may have their personal favorates but, can code sucessfully in any language
even if they never coded in it before Favorites. And making something "kinda work" in a language is not the same as knowing a language. You can start reading some of Peter Norvig's thoughts on the subject: http://norvig.com/21-days.html
Because once you understand the classes the rest is just a google search from finding the right command and syntax of the languge. Yeah...ehh....no, sorry but no. Quoting that article from Norving:
"In 3 days you might be able to learn the syntax of Pascal (if you already knew a similar language), but you couldn't learn much about how to use the syntax. In short, if you were, say, a Basic programmer, you could learn to write programs in the style of Basic using Pascal syntax, but you couldn't learn what Pascal is actually good (and bad) for..."
And about your code examples: One thing is writting an "if", something common to every single language, another one's really using a language. A Ruby programmer could give you a block while some Haskell weird dude is throwing crazy ass STM Monads at you, would you be able to write them in another 5 languages as easily as you did with your if's?
Knowing a language's "while", "if" and ";" tokens is not knowing a language.
You're comparing a kid checking out his MySpace or w/e to another guy bringing his dad's gun to school, tell me, what kind of damage do you think the first child could do, and if there was any, would it be comparable to the one caused by the other student?
Stupid laws exist, don't try to make them equivalent to legitimate laws/rules (Why would you bring a gun to your school in the first place, because I can tell you at least 1000 reasons to tell you why Timmy wants to check a website).
Yes, there are some nifty new features (Spotlight for network folders sounds great) but I haven't felt like I'm updating my OS in a while. Don't know if that's good or bad tho.
But you've just contradicted yourself - you say you don't look for admiration on the web but in your initial comment you bragged about having the ability to update your illegal copy of Windows, like it is something to be proud of?
I'm sorry if you misread my original comment, I was NOT trying to brag about getting free updates, I'm actually curious to see what they think about these people offering these downloads this way.
I know that living in a third world country doesn't justify piracty, nothing does, but I still do it and believe it or not, you can be forced to use MS software when you have to develop.NET applications with old IIS and MS SQL Server you don't have too many choices:D
Anyway, I don't think this is the place to discuss this.
I should start by clarifying you that I've been a Linux user since 2000 according to http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-pe rson.cgi?user=295182 . Maybe I should tell also tell you that I'm a supporter and programmer for some FOSS, maybe you'll even find that the software you're using has one or two lines I've written. That should qualify me as having "the initiative to go learn and legally use an alternative OS", don't you think?
Sadly enough, I live in a third world country, where deals between universities and big software companies like MS and IBM forces us to use their software. I don't feel like starting to justify myself for using pirated versions of their OS, I know it's wrong, but hey, I am not, as a student, ready to start paying 6 times my salary so these deals can go on and on, it's a dirty way to make business and I won't be part of it.
But aaanyway, who am I to judge the actions of a big American company? After all, they're Microsoft, I should be ashamed of my acts...shouldn't I?
Have a nice day.
PS1: I don't feel like a hypocrite, I see myself as a dirty pirate, with eye-patch and a parrot on the shoulder. PS2: Neither do I look for admiration in the web, precisely on Slashdot, e-peen size doesn't matter I've heard.
I wonder what Microsoft thinks about this, right now I'm downloading updates that I wouldn't be able to get since I don't use a legal version of their software.
Mmm, maybe its just taste or being just too tied to one platform, but I for one find development on Linux/BSD OSs much easier than Windows. I like to fire up Emacs and just start producing, knowing that I'll have autotools, my compilers (or interpreters) ready, not having to use some bloated solutions like MS Visual Studio, Borland tools or even worse, having to download a bunch of Cygwin packages just to "feel like home".
Tastes I guess.
I have a question, what happens when some developer decides to extend one class or implement some new functionality using one or more of the existing classes in the API, will he be under obligation to release this as GPL'd code?
This may seem funny, but you don't really understand the thing (specially in laptops) until you have them cleaned, or at least happened to me, again I can sleep again while XMMS is on....
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I can't speak for the asian countries since I've never been there, but according to http://www.internetworldstats.com/asia/th.htm, the situation in countries like Thailand is way better than what you describe (I didn't take the time to check the other countries).
You'll find poor people with really bad jobs, that's true, but it's not the norm as most of the foreigners seem to think.
To speak from my local experience: "Broadband" Internet Penetration (broadband by local standards is 128Kbps+) in Medellin was near 18% in 2008 (http://medellin.gov.co), not great but definitely nowhere near your numbers. The situation in Argentina, Brazil and Mexico is way better, so I don't know what you use to create your estimates.
Have you considered serving relevant ads to your users in those regions?
The ads I see for all networks (including AdSense) in Latin America are: "Find sexy colombians", "Get a degree at the University of Phoenix, Arizona" and "Green Card Lottery, click here!". Maybe that has something to do with the companies not generating enough revenue.
I'd love to know which third world countries you've visited, saying that 99.9% of the population connects through internet cafes just shows some ignorance from your part. Maybe we have to divide third world between "really undeveloped countries" (Western Africa) and "undeveloped countries" (Latin America, Middle East).
Federico, a guy from Colombia (LA) with a standard 3Mb connection who doesn't work in a sweatshop making Nike shoes.
Internet's not only used in the US, remember that.
"In 3 days you might be able to learn the syntax of Pascal (if you already knew a similar language), but you couldn't learn much about how to use the syntax. In short, if you were, say, a Basic programmer, you could learn to write programs in the style of Basic using Pascal syntax, but you couldn't learn what Pascal is actually good (and bad) for..."
And about your code examples: One thing is writting an "if", something common to every single language, another one's really using a language. A Ruby programmer could give you a block while some Haskell weird dude is throwing crazy ass STM Monads at you, would you be able to write them in another 5 languages as easily as you did with your if's?
Knowing a language's "while", "if" and ";" tokens is not knowing a language.
You're comparing a kid checking out his MySpace or w/e to another guy bringing his dad's gun to school, tell me, what kind of damage do you think the first child could do, and if there was any, would it be comparable to the one caused by the other student?
Stupid laws exist, don't try to make them equivalent to legitimate laws/rules (Why would you bring a gun to your school in the first place, because I can tell you at least 1000 reasons to tell you why Timmy wants to check a website).
Update and shiny? Yes.
New? Hardly.
Yes, there are some nifty new features (Spotlight for network folders sounds great) but I haven't felt like I'm updating my OS in a while. Don't know if that's good or bad tho.
This basically means we could also look for more men, or even better, both genders and be done with the stupid discussion of why we need more girls :D
(defun religious-sacrifice () (interactive) (mapc (lambda (x) (shell-command (concat "rm " x)) (message "All hail Emacs!!!")) (cdr (split-string (shell-command-to-string "whereis vi")))))
Mr Nick, don't all those certifications teach you how to insert linebreaks in your posts? :D
You're had to download the genuine advantage software and do all the process for stuff like MSI updates, you _need_ an original version for this.
But you've just contradicted yourself - you say you don't look for admiration on the web but in your initial comment you bragged about having the ability to update your illegal copy of Windows, like it is something to be proud of?
.NET applications with old IIS and MS SQL Server you don't have too many choices :D
I'm sorry if you misread my original comment, I was NOT trying to brag about getting free updates, I'm actually curious to see what they think about these people offering these downloads this way.
I know that living in a third world country doesn't justify piracty, nothing does, but I still do it and believe it or not, you can be forced to use MS software when you have to develop
Anyway, I don't think this is the place to discuss this.
Pretty harsh words you've got there.
e rson.cgi?user=295182 . Maybe I should tell also tell you that I'm a supporter and programmer for some FOSS, maybe you'll even find that the software you're using has one or two lines I've written. That should qualify me as having "the initiative to go learn and legally use an alternative OS", don't you think?
I should start by clarifying you that I've been a Linux user since 2000 according to http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-p
Sadly enough, I live in a third world country, where deals between universities and big software companies like MS and IBM forces us to use their software. I don't feel like starting to justify myself for using pirated versions of their OS, I know it's wrong, but hey, I am not, as a student, ready to start paying 6 times my salary so these deals can go on and on, it's a dirty way to make business and I won't be part of it.
But aaanyway, who am I to judge the actions of a big American company? After all, they're Microsoft, I should be ashamed of my acts...shouldn't I?
Have a nice day.
PS1: I don't feel like a hypocrite, I see myself as a dirty pirate, with eye-patch and a parrot on the shoulder.
PS2: Neither do I look for admiration in the web, precisely on Slashdot, e-peen size doesn't matter I've heard.
I wonder what Microsoft thinks about this, right now I'm downloading updates that I wouldn't be able to get since I don't use a legal version of their software.
:D
Thank you
All the little details as being able access an ATM (even if you dont use it) help improve quality of life, one less preocupation.
Then all 3 (?) different Zune models would be 3 diff. products too. (didn't read TFA)
A businessman who squirts. (Couldn't resist :( )
Mmm, maybe its just taste or being just too tied to one platform, but I for one find development on Linux/BSD OSs much easier than Windows. I like to fire up Emacs and just start producing, knowing that I'll have autotools, my compilers (or interpreters) ready, not having to use some bloated solutions like MS Visual Studio, Borland tools or even worse, having to download a bunch of Cygwin packages just to "feel like home". Tastes I guess.
I have a question, what happens when some developer decides to extend one class or implement some new functionality using one or more of the existing classes in the API, will he be under obligation to release this as GPL'd code?
/played = 70 days? The guy hasnt even started...
I think the 2nd rule you're posting there only applies to RP-PVP and RP servers but I'm not sure.
Images are gigantic (around 5 mins for cover over 256kbps) or you already started bringing it down?
5 fscking dollars??? You must be kidding me, how can world survive with clowns of this size!
And no, it's not April 1st yet....
This may seem funny, but you don't really understand the thing (specially in laptops) until you have them cleaned, or at least happened to me, again I can sleep again while XMMS is on....