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5 Simple Steps to a Quieter PC

~*77*~ writes "Silencing a computer can be a costly endeavor, but taking a few relatively inexpensive steps can have a drastic impact on the noise produced by the common computer system. Before starting on any sound reduction upgrades, analyzing a system to pinpoint the areas in need of the most attention will help determine the best course of action and the best way to spend any money."

430 comments

  1. step 1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    step 1: turn computer off.. aww c'mon, I'm not trolling.. if it were warm outside you'd all be on the same page.

    1. Re:step 1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I set up a quad xeon p3 server in the same room. You can't even hear my workstation anymore!

    2. Re:step 1. by mailtomomo · · Score: 0

      or
      step 1 : buy mac mini.

    3. Re:step 1. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      if it were warm outside you'd all be on the same page.

      What do you mean, "if it were warm outside"? As I type this, it's 70 degrees outside, and I have all the doors and windows open. It can't get any nicer than it is today.

      Too bad I need to clean the house today...

  2. In case of Slashdoting by Sophrosyne · · Score: 0, Troll

    Tips on getting a quieter computer...
    1. Buy a Mac.
    2. Make sure it's not a G5
    3. ????
    4. Profit

  3. #6 by djplurvert · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..turn it off and go outside...

    1. Re:#6 by flashtoad · · Score: 1

      It seems they promptly followed your advice... Either that or their efforts to silence their server made it overheat: "HTTP Error 500 - Internal server error"

    2. Re:#6 by Otter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, I just do 'emerge -u kde gnome' and then go for a walk...

    3. Re:#6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Go for a walk? More like go into cryogenic deep freeze.

    4. Re:#6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they said INexpensive...

    5. Re:#6 by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ok smart guy, then the question becomes;

      "how do I quieten down all those cars and busses and trucks?"

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    6. Re:#6 by djplurvert · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Go for a walk in the country.

      See, it's like this, I'm gonna have to start charging if you think you're going to need any more help with this problem.

    7. Re:#6 by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Yea, but then you have to shut up all the cows, pigs and sheep, and all the farmers moaning and the fox hunters and the police chasing them, and all the knobheads with 4x4s and all the damn scouts and lowflying aircraft and the damn saegulls, and the tractor engines and ....

    8. Re:#6 by djplurvert · · Score: 1

      You need an easier problem, try this.

    9. Re:#6 by Wakkow · · Score: 2, Funny

      Rocket launcher?

    10. Re:#6 by djplurvert · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Jesus, you mods kill me. Whenever I have points I go looking for good posts to mod up and bad posts to mod down. What I tend to ignore are irrelevent posts like this one, and of course, the one above.

      Why don't you let people have their little conversation while you go find some really salient points to mod up or some serious bigotry to mod down.

      sheesh!

    11. Re:#6 by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. Ok smart guy, then the question becomes;

        "how do I quieten down all those cars and busses and trucks?"

      Padding. Padding on the walls. Lots and lots of calming and soothing padding.

      Just ask the guys in the nice white coats. They'll tell you anything you want to hear.

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    12. Re:#6 by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      I would just do a emerge mythtv and go watch tv, ... uh, wait a minute ...

    13. Re:#6 by magefile · · Score: 1

      Y'know, it's possible to give point bonuses ... i.e., in your case, give a -1 or -2 (or more, up to -5 or -6, IIRC) to comments moderated "Funny".

  4. Re:step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dress up as a librarian and say "Shhhhhh" everytime it makes a noise.

  5. Cool, but... by nicc777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    how do I silence a noisy UPS. There is this humming sound, and it's especially bad when the PC is turned off. Any ideas?

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    1. Re:Cool, but... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ouch. That's probably the 60-cycle noice of the first transformer, and it's a bear to deal with after the hardware was designed.

      Try plugging something in constant use into it that draws a little bit of current, like your nearby clock or lava lamp.

    2. Re:Cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try eating couple ear plugs, that should help. OR you could step away from the UPS. OR you could switch off the UPS when your computer is off.

    3. Re:Cool, but... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Interesting
      how do I silence a noisy UPS?

      Can you put it in another room and run a cable, maybe even install a dedicated wall plug? You could even put in a two-socket wall plug, put a blanking plate on the second and mount a serial port on it to hook up to the UPS. If you wanted to go nuts that is!

    4. Re:Cool, but... by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative
      how do I silence a noisy UPS. There is this humming sound, and it's especially bad when the PC is turned off. Any ideas?

      If it is an APC BE725BB and the sound is a hissing sound, then it is a defect (not safety related, just annoying), and you can get it exchanged.

    5. Re:Cool, but... by hawk · · Score: 1

      It will cost you a few seconds of downtime, but rearranging the power cords may do it.

      1) Unplug upc from wall.
      2) move pc plug to now vacant socket.
      3) move upc plug to now vacant socket.

      After a few hours, the noise should be noticabley lower. :)

      hawk

    6. Re:Cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make sure to check the code in your area... usually you can't combine Low Voltage and High Voltage devices on the same panel... you usually need a specific sort of separator plate between them...

    7. Re:Cool, but... by nicc777 · · Score: 1

      Thanks all for replying - lot's of cool tips

      Cheers

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  6. Three more methods by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • Turn it off and go for a walk.
    • Bury it under your dirty laundry. (Always plentiful for a gek, right?)
    • Turn up the stereo.


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    1. Re:Three more methods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Bury it under your dirty laundry. (Always plentiful for a gek, right?)
      Wrong. We only have one set of clothes and we're wearing them.
    2. Re:Three more methods by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      Turn it off and go for a walk.

      For me it's more like XOR than AND. The noise won't bother me when I'm away.

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    3. Re:Three more methods by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      Wrong. We only have one set of clothes and we're wearing them.

      My poor brother in geekdom--you must not know about thinkgeek.com. They have *TONS* of cloths for you to wear.
      Oh--and trade shows.

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    4. Re:Three more methods by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0

      I kinda like it.

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    5. Re:Three more methods by Oscar_Wilde · · Score: 1

      We only have one set of clothes and we're wearing them.

      I'm not.

    6. Re:Three more methods by initialE · · Score: 1

      We only have one set of clothes and we're wearing them.
      If by "we" you mean "more than 1 person" and by "one set of clothes" you mean "one set of clothes", I sure hope you're hot chicks. Photo pls!

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    7. Re:Three more methods by wscott · · Score: 1

      No that is OR. XOR means you are happy if you turn it off or you go for a walk, but if you do both then the noise is a problem.

    8. Re:Three more methods by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      When I say XOR I mean XOR. I know the difference between it and OR.

      If I go walking and my computers are off, I'm unhappy because they are sitting there doing nothing.

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  7. Shuttle... by blankoboy · · Score: 1

    Simple enough www.shuttle.com

    1. Re:Shuttle... by isecore · · Score: 3, Informative

      Shuttles are very noisy IMHO. Two friends of mine has them, but they make more noise than my fulltower. Probably because they have high-RPM fans to push out the heat while my fulltower uses lazy 120mm fans that make hardly any noise while being more efficient.

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    2. Re:Shuttle... by justforaday · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have to agree. I bought a shuttle box years ago after every review site seemed to rave about how quiet they were. I got the thing home, put it together and was annoyed by the sound the thing made. My midtower box that I consider noisy as hell was just a whisper next to the shuttle. Naturally, it succumbed to the bad capacitor problem that many of them died from. I hear that the latest generation of shuttles are fairly quiet though. Not sure I trust that, considering it's coming fromt he same sources who said that the one I got was supposedly quiet...

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    3. Re:Shuttle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my sn95g5 is very quiet

    4. Re:Shuttle... by October_30th · · Score: 1
      Huh? I recently bought a Shuttle for our lab and I can't hear any noise unless I hold my ear against the case.

      The only time the fan makes a lot of noise is when I switch on the computer. After a few seconds it goes completely silent as the fan speed is set to minimum rpms by the on-board thermal sensor.

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    5. Re:Shuttle... by blankoboy · · Score: 1

      Noisy? Overclocking perhaps? If so, then you are not operating within the design parameters. My shuttles are almost silent. Mind you I am not overclocking. Two Athlon 64 3000+ systems with no problems =)

    6. Re:Shuttle... by amorsen · · Score: 1
      The SN95G5 is pretty much silent. The only way I can make it raise its fan speed is with the utility burnk8. (I was worried the speed regulation was broken).
      while true ; do echo -n ; done
      isn't enough. You'll have a hard time finding a hard drive quiet enough to match.
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    7. Re:Shuttle... by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 1

      Get the current Shuttle 939-pin Athlon 64 box (95G5?) and a Winchester-core (90nm) Athlon 64 CPU. Pick a video card with a reasonably quiet fan. I built one for my parents and it's a very quiet machine. Not perfect, but very impressive. The biggest trick is finding the right video card.

    8. Re:Shuttle... by cyberwiz01 · · Score: 0

      Ive got the shuttle SB62G2 and the stock power supply sounded like a jet. But I invested in a newer aftermarket powersupply, the Shuttle PC40. I can't say it's silent, but it's very quiet. I also swapped the somewhat loud Sunon CPU fan for a low RPM Panaflo fan. I used a passive Zalman heatsink for the northbridge, and hacked up an aerocool VM101 GPU heatsink to fit inside the shuttle and passively cooled my Radeon 9800. The system is near silent, small, sexy and can play pretty much anything I throw at it at nice resolutions and a good framerate. The major downside to getting a shuttle is price, as the shuttle system plus upgrades can be very expensive. But my desk and ears thank me for it, so I'm happy with it.

    9. Re:Shuttle... by teh+kurisu · · Score: 1

      I'm using an SN41G2 as a server. It's not that noisy but it does seem to vibrate a lot. The DSL/wifi router sits on top of it and because of that it seems to rattle quite a bit.

      I've installed a Zalman HDD mount, because I'm paranoid about losing hard discs. That sent my heatpipe count through the roof.

      I'd like to get some rubber washers for the main exhaust fan (the newer Shuttles ship with these), and possibly a newer power supply.

      This model has onboard graphics so instead of a graphics card fan I have a northbridge fan. Seeing as I don't run X on the system I could probably dispense with that relatively safely.

    10. Re:Shuttle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mitt namn är Rullstols Sigge och jag har megafon!

      "Rullstols Sigge"? Håll käften, din särskrivande troglodyt!

    11. Re:Shuttle... by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0
      I'm using an SN41G2 as a server. It's not that noisy but it does seem to vibrate a lot. The DSL/wifi router sits on top of it and because of that it seems to rattle quite a bit.
      Then put something soft, like a kind of mat, or rubber feet or even chewing gum between them. Or better and softer yet - your brain, you fuckwad.
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    12. Re:Shuttle... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Problem with these boxes is that you put them on your desk. Always a bad idea if you want low noise. My computer is too noisy, but at least it is removed so far I can just reach the DVD writer unit. If I had an external case, I would put the computer in a vented case and be done with it. Why I would want my computer next to me exept for the power button (keyboard, you got it right Apple) and the externals is beyond me.

    13. Re:Shuttle... by isecore · · Score: 1

      One machine is Athlon64 3200+ (dunno if it's 939 or 754 though) and it sounds like a freakin' hairdryer.

      The other is some P4 Prescott-based 3.2 Ghz thing and sounds like a tiny vacuum-cleaner.

      My fulltower standing on my desktop makes hardly any noise. The only way to know if it is on is to look at the LED's.

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    14. Re:Shuttle... by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 1

      The video card fan could be the biggest noise source. The thin aluminum Shuttle case doesn't dampen noise very well. When I switched my parents from a fairly modern video card to an older one, I was amazed at how much quieter their machine became.

    15. Re:Shuttle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The noise problems people have reported on Shuttle systems is due to a shipped BIOS setting that keeps the case/CPU fan at MAX speed no matter what the temp is. I got my bro' one of these and was embarrased by the super loud noise. We changed some auto-fan speed setting in the bios and she was quiet as a mouse from there out. And the CPU temp was fine.
      Very nice design.

  8. Only 1 component needed to make it quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1 component needed to make your PC quiet.

    1) Sledgehammer

    This information brought to you by Giggling Marlin.

    1. Re:Only 1 component needed to make it quiet by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      OLD TOWEL!

      I cut up an old beachtowel and taped swatches of it to all the sheer sides of the insides of my case that were easily accessible. It cut the noise considerably. At the time (2003) slashdotters scoffed, saying the towel would generate lint which would lead to the destruction of my precious AMD K6-3-based-motherboard, but its 2005 and the computer's still going strong.

  9. My Roommate had it all wrong. by psychoandy · · Score: 2, Funny

    My Roommate was looking into making his computer quieter...
    After reading up the latest in water cooling, and quiet fans he decided to buy a 14" box fan...

    Sadly, that was quieter. Now I can show him the correct way to quiet his PC.

  10. One Itty Bitty Article by CactusInvasion · · Score: 5, Informative

    You'd think he'd reference the guys who are diehard fanatics instead of the some guy who has 5 ideas. This is the place to find all the info, comparisons, and information for people who want more than just "you should think about changing out some parts in your system".

    1. Re:One Itty Bitty Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that. SPCR is the place to go if you want to silence your computer. A word of warning though: silencing is an addictive business :)

    2. Re:One Itty Bitty Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah: It's not even a very smart discussion. Silentpcreview has a lot of articles, reviews, and documentation, which is especially useful if you want to build a quiet machine from the ground up. Why do such lame things get posted on slashdot when there are much better alternatives?

  11. Silent PC Sites by mparaz · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article is just a simple summary... check out Silent PC Review for really in-depth coverage.

    Some hardware review sites are dedicated to cooling equipment. One of them is Pimp My Rig.

    Personally, I replaced my Intel stock fan with the Thermalright XP-90 + Panaflo 92mm L1A.

  12. Cotton by Neophus · · Score: 1

    Pack it in a giant cottonball, then roll it under the bed.

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  13. My steps towards a quieter system by zeth · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am fed up with the noise from my comuter, so I did the following.

    1. Installed the BeQuiet sound elimination kit for Chieftec
    2. Got a better CPU fan
    3. Installed four Zalman 12dB(A) fans in the chassi.
    4. Enjoy the sound of nothing.

    1. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by MrZilla · · Score: 1

      What about your PSU?
      For my system, a large part of the noise comes from the PSU unit. Did you but a silent version?

      Also, are there any watercoolings systems out there designed for PSUs?

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    2. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know what those sound elimination mats are made from? could one use an alternative material with similar properties that can be found in any diy/houshold store?

      Nick ...

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    3. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by zeth · · Score: 1

      I am currently using the standard PSU that came with the Chieftec chassi, but the next step is to get a better and quieter PSU also.

      My PSU is actually reasonably quiet, so it has a low priority at the moment.

      If you want to watercool your PSU you have to do it yourself I guess. Be sure to take caution when working inside the PSU if you are not proficient in that area.

    4. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by acaspis · · Score: 1

      1. Rack-mounted all the 24x7 stuff in a closet.
      2. Reengineered the airflow (you'd think front-to-back is a pretty easy rule to follow, but most manufacturers ruin it with flashy vents on all sides).
      3. Did the math: 40CFM will gain 8degC when extracting 200W, and will flow at 2m/s through a 10cmx10cm hole.
      4. Replaced the small fans with two slow, large blowers for the whole enclosure.
      5. Enjoy diskless, fanless workstations.

    5. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by Lusa · · Score: 1

      I can recommend one of these.

      120mm fan on the inside of the case, once its mounted it is like having a fanless PSU. Their 120mm case fans are very quiet too, not to mention color coordinating.

    6. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by jargoone · · Score: 1

      They look like rubber, but anything similar would probably work. I would imagine that sound damping sheets for use in cars would work, like Dynamat. The only downside to Dynamat is that it smells like crap for a little while after applying (it's asphalt), but it will go away soon after.

    7. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dynamat also sells a spray-can noise deadener called Dynashield. I used it in my car of course; I hid some 10" subs behind the plastic paneling. I sprayed some of the dynashield on the plastic, and had no vibration noise. I did however also use dynamat on the body outside the subs... The point is that the spray-on stuff can be, well, sprayed on. It would be easy to add to basically any case.

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    8. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by Superduck-Canuck · · Score: 2, Informative
      EndPCNoise.com has a great selection of parts to quiet a PC. I ordered a Nexus CPU cooler, heatsinks and case fans from them. Now I can hardly hear my PC at all. They are also a great source of information on how and what to do.

      http://www.endpcnoise.com/

    9. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by Illserve · · Score: 4, Funny

      That all costs money.

      I just put toothpicks in the PSU, video card and CPU fans, now my computer is now dead sil

      NO CARRIER

    10. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I was annoyed by the sound from commuters as well so I got a sniping rifle.

      And now I'm annoyed by the noise of sirens. Frankly this neighborhood is going down the drain. Good thing I packed up on C4.

      Um, wait, there's someone at the door...

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    11. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by tigerflag · · Score: 1
      I wanted a silent PC but also wanted reliability and very cool temperatures. Using parts that are a few generations away from the latest-and-greatest (which usually = hottest and most expensive) my box runs at 86 degrees F system temp, and 91 degrees F for the processor. With the monitor off I have to put my ear right next to the box to hear if it's running. Here are my specs:

      Antec "True 380" power supply, Shuttle AK32A w/ VIA KT266A, Athlon XP2000+, 512 MB Crucial PC2100, Seagate 20 + 40GB HDDs, GeForce4 MX440 AGP w/ heatsink only, no fan, C-Media 8738LX soundcard, LiteOn 52x24x52 CD-RW, 56x CD-ROM, external Best Data serial modem.

      Enermax CS-101812 case with space for a side fan over the CPU and video card, and a slow top blowhole fan. Enermax 80mm case fans in front, side and rear. Silent Zalman chipset fan.

      I only use Seagate harddrives.

      For my processor I use a Speeze Falcon Rock II heatsink/fan with Artic Silver. This cooler is absolutely silent and cools better than most others.

      I mainly use my computer for studying, internet, email, writing, and burning music. I don't play anything more hungry than TuxRacer, so this setup is plenty fast for my needs. Whatever expenses are incurred by buying a better power supply like the Antec is offset by using older parts like the video card. With this particular chipset and processor I'm able to put a little script into rc.local to give me the very cool idle temps:
      setpci -v -H1 -s 0:0.0 70=86
      setpci -v -H1 -s 0:0.0 95=1e

    12. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guy created a 'silent' performance PC: http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=6869

      It has a Thermaltake fanless PSU (big heat sink out the back), a sythe ncu-2000 CPU heat sink - even bigger 0.5KG heatsink, a Zalman vga heatsink and 2 low speed chasis fans (the fans on the system), the rest is passively cooled. It isn't a slow PC either, 3GHz AMD 64.

    13. Re:My steps towards a quieter system by SuperQ · · Score: 1

      of course, if you look around, there are a lot cheaper solutions than dynamat.. it's the monstor cable of sound deadening solutions.

      http://www.soundprooffoam.com/vinyl_barrier.html

      this is basicaly the same stuff as dynamat.. a dense stick-on sound deadening material.. but at 1/2 the price. I've heard of cheaper.. but I don't remember the specifics.

  14. I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by bigtallmofo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Seagate Barracuda line of hard drives is definitely the quietest mainstream hard drive out there. It's specifically engineered to be quiet. I find that the street prices are about $20-$30 more than for the cheapest hard drive of the same size, but to me, it's worth it!

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    1. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by Skuto · · Score: 4, Informative

      Current Seagate 7200.7 and Seagate 7200.8 are quite a bit louder than comparable models from Maxtor and Samsung.

      What you say might have been true for the very old Barracudas, but it's sadly no longer the case.

    2. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've seen just as many great deals on Seagate drives as I have on WD or Maxtor. There seems to be at least one a week.

    3. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by fontkick · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Samsung Spinpoint drives are also designed to be quiet - they call it NoiseGuard and SilentSeek, whatever that means. Basically they are really quiet. Every drive I've had starts out quiet and gets louder as the bearings wear out. My WD and Maxtors developed ear-piercing whines. And the new Seagates are not as quiet as the older models, but they are better than Maxtor or WD.

    4. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by neonstz · · Score: 1
      What you say might have been true for the very old Barracudas, but it's sadly no longer the case

      Very very old barracudas are noisy as hell (I've got a few 4 GB 7200 RPM SCSI Barracudas)

    5. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by charliedickinson · · Score: 1

      I agree. The hdd on my pre-FDB ThinkPad got to be so annoyingly loud, I swapped out for a Seagate with fluid dynamic bearings. As I recall, Seagate pioneered FDB. Noise ratings for some hdd's are available, but I'd say skip the comparisons and get Seagate.

    6. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can hear hard drives? My freaking fans are so loud I can't even hear jets taking off at the airport next door.

    7. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by angle_slam · · Score: 3, Informative
      Current Seagate 7200.7 and Seagate 7200.8 are quite a bit louder than comparable models from Maxtor and Samsung.

      Not according to storagereview.com. While the Samsung is quieter, I don't think 0.3 dB qualifies as "quite a bit louder". And that is the only drive quieter than the Seagate.

    8. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by fraudrogic · · Score: 1

      I just bought a 200gb seagate drive yesterday at CompUSA (They lured me there with a sale on 80gb Hitachi's for $40). Anyway, I bought an external enclosure for it because I just wanted to backup my machine. I installed it, partitioned it, formatted it, and then commenced the backup.

      HOLY CRAP it was loud. It seriously sounded like a Dragon Fly stuck in a coffee can. This wasn't a barricuda, but it was WAY louder than my Maxtor 120 gb HD that is IN the machine. It could be that it was in an external enclosure, however, I have bought external drives and they are usually pretty quiet.

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    9. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Seagate Barracuda line of hard drives is definitely the quietest mainstream hard drive out there.

      Quiet, yes, aside from the eating noises from the fat chick from Heart.

      Barracuda!

    10. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      The SATA ones are a little buzzier than the PATA ones (they have different acoustic modes factory-set; sadly you can't change it manually thanks to a patent dispute over AAM), but I still find them pretty quiet. Maybe you got unlucky with a slightly noiser than average drive (you do tend to get some variation in manufacture) and a case which happens to transmit the vibrations more than most.

    11. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah riiiight.

      I just bought 2 Seagate 200 GB SATA drives and a 250 GB Maxtor. All the latest versions.

      Now, the Maxtor is quiter than older Maxtor drives but it's a bit louder than the Seagates. It is also a little bit faster, but not much, and not enough to justify the louder noise. Seagates are the currently the best as far as noise goes.

    12. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On my Toshiba 4015 laptop, I don't run Windows 98 anymore, so the hdd stays quiet. I run my live cd distro, and the fan runs a lot less, and once I boot up, the cdrom drive only spins once in a while. I'm using it right now to post this, and the machine is totally quiet. Not so if running Windows 98. I do have 160 MB of ram installed, and use a swap file of 250 MB on /dev/hda1. Right now, after a lot of use, only 10% of the swap has been used. So, I'm saving wear and tear on this hdd, too.

    13. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by number · · Score: 1
      storagereview.com has an almost unheard-of method for detecting drive noise - the standard test of dBA is to have the micrphone 1 metre away at an angle that avoids any airflow (which doesn't happen with hard drives of course). storagereview decided they'd go a different route, and they test at a distance of 18 millimetres in a noisy environment! their testing page even says that the value they get doesn't really capture the drive's noise signature, as quiet drives can have annoying whines, and loud drives a much less-intrusive white-noise signature. see for yourself, first paragraph here. also, they don't even test seek noise - possibly the most important facet of drive noise! seeks are much harder to mask with insulation than idle noise.

      one site where people actually take the time to characterise drive noise from sensical distances, silentpcreview.com, has ignored storagereview's noise measurements for some time now, as they are out of touch with reality. the difference between a 7200.7 and a samsung sp1614n is night and day, if you actually own one of each as i do.

      luckily, mike chin has access to some of the best sound measuring equipment and an office with an ambient background noise of 15 dBA or so. he's done some great reviews of fans in this environment, but hasn't turned to hard drives yet. but here's a silentpcreview article comparing the samsung directly to the 7200.7, i think you'll see how much more effort they put into acoustics than storagereview.

    14. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      She can get me "alone" any time she likes ;-) Especially if she brings her slightly less fat sister.

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  15. Step 1 by PhotoBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get the dust out of any fans in your case. In case of hairs/pubes twisted around the fan motor consider replacement.

    1. Re:Step 1 by febuiles · · Score: 1

      This may seem funny, but you don't really understand the thing (specially in laptops) until you have them cleaned, or at least happened to me, again I can sleep again while XMMS is on....

    2. Re:Step 1 by loonicks · · Score: 1

      To clafiry, you will want to consider replacement of the fans, not your genitals. The latter is an expensive procedure.

  16. To sum up: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.Buy quiet fans.
    2.Buy quiet case.
    3.Buy fan controllers to make your quiet fans even quieter.
    4.Buy a quiet power supply
    5.Buy some sound insulation.

    In a nutshell buy quieter things and your pc will be quieter. Quite a revelation there.

  17. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My G5 iMac is freaking loud under heavy CPU load, so not exactly the best advice there.

  18. Buy Seagate HDD by Reez · · Score: 1

    Much quieter PC since I replaced Maxtors and Western Digitals with 200GB ATA Seagates.

  19. Put it in the closet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For my studio I only let the cables in through a well insulated opening through the bottom of my closet. The computer is behind the door and the monitor, keyboard, mouse, and line in sit out. When you've got good microphones they pick up on the fan whirring and it's hard to take out later.

  20. Ummm... what about the HDs? by eno2001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's usually been the single source of the most noise in my systems. HD manufacturers need to make quieter drives. I used to be a hardcore Maxtor fanatic, but with three out of four drive failures (250 gig drives) in only two months, I am hunting for a new manufacturer. I bought Hitachis to replace the dead Maxtors but I am leeary of them since their technology used to be IBM and it only took one "DeathStar" drive from IBM to convince me that they made shitty drives. I can't stand Western Digital since I had three drives in a row fail from them over the course of a year and two fo those were replacements for WD drives that died before. One of them even smoked in my case when I installed it! Nearly caused a fire. Thanks WD but no thanks. So that leaves Seagate which I haven't had any experience with so far. I miss Micropolis who used to make super quiet SCSI A/V drives back in the 90s.

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    1. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by arkhan_jg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you're having multiple drive failures in one or two cases, I'd really recommend looking at the power supplies.

      I have a case that killed a drive every few months until I twigged and replaced the PSU with an antec 350W. If the power rails are 'dirty' with fluctuating voltage, they can slowly kill a drive. This is a known problem with cheap PSU's, and it can be cheaper to spend a bit more on a quality supply than keep swapping drives.

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    2. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Hitachis are not that bad, i thought the same you did about Hitachi first, but i tried them out, 2 40 gb Hitachi drives, for 2 different servers. They runned smoothly for about a year, 24*7, not a problem. I Quited my job, and a friend is now in charge there. AFAIK the disks are still there. And they are IDE drives, i expect even better results with SCSI ones ...

      If you really want bulletproof hardrives, just buy yourself a 2 gb Quantum BigFoot. It will just last forever.

      ALMAFUERTE

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    3. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by kryptkpr · · Score: 1

      The problem heres is likely NOT the HDs.

      Your string of "bad luck" indicates a problem with either woefully inadequate cooling (like choking the drive), or very dirty power. Check where you're mounting these drives, get some HD coolers, and invest in a good PSU. Are you using any molex splitters to get to the HDs? Splitters half the impedance, and some PSUs just can't handle that reliably.

      I'm personally running an Enermax 465W and the voltages have been very stable.. running a 250GB Maxtor drive.

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    4. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 1
      guess you haven't pulled apart a PS lately? all 12v lines connect to the same spot, they are soldered into the exact same glob of solder...

      so it doesn't really matter if you use a splitter or put them all on seperate lines. hard drives don't draw enough amps for the wiresize to be a concern either.

    5. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 0, Offtopic
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    6. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Icyfire0573 · · Score: 1

      With the amount of harddrives you are going through, you have to wonder if your using the harddrives for data or for batting practice

    7. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by kryptkpr · · Score: 1

      Hmm... you're right.

      Dual 12V rail PSUs are available however ;) and for the exact reason I've described.

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    8. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Cylix · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly what I was thinking...

      Especially since he smoked one when he first put it in.

      Go ahead and run over to this place. It's a good guide for testing your PSU.

      If you don't have a multi-meter go get one. If you are going to use it only rarely don't worry about spending any real cash. (Though chances are if you start using it you may never stop.... it's addictive)

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    9. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Cylix · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think he was refering to additional resist added due to bad contact with some molex connectors. A looser connection means less surface contact which translates to more resistance.

      Maybe it's not a problem.

      An easy danger sign to read occurrs when there is an active load on the system. (HD spinning up, cdrom spinning up, more processor usage) Whatever the activity, if you start using more amperage from the power supply and you can hear your static rate fans drop in speed... your PSU is probably over drawn.

      Fairly easy to spot... when the normal whir and hum sounds decidely different.

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    10. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And sometimes it's the drives.

      I've had 7 WDs go bad (RAID and a few spares. One right after another and WD's customer support was for shit on top of) and 4 Maxtors.

      I have some Seagates now in the same setup. No problems.

      I will not go back to WD or Maxtor again.

    11. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by acaspis · · Score: 1

      My system used to generate a very low frequency humming that would easily propagate through walls and floors, peaking every 10s or so.
      I found out that although each of my disks was amazingly silent, when mounted together they would vibrate at a beat frequency due to minor differences in rotation speed.

      See this thread.

      I would recommend mixing disks from different manufacturers or different models, even for a RAID setup, in order to avoid this.

    12. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by michrech · · Score: 1

      All you could find wrong with that post was "quited"? He also had "runned" in there.

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    13. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by mrm677 · · Score: 1

      Dude, if you had 3 Western Digital drives fail in a row and had 3 of 4 Maxtor drives fail, I would seriously consider that something else is your problem.

      Where do you buy your drives? Some shady operation that resells returned drives? Maybe your power supply or IDE controllers are shoddy.

      In the last 8 years, of the 15 or so hard drives I've bought and used, one has failed. Most were Western Digital, a few Maxtors, and a couple IBM drives. Do I have good luck? Maybe, but my anecdotal experience pretty much matches the MTTF data from manufacturers.

    14. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by michrech · · Score: 1

      I like the Enermax supplies so far.

      I've got two dead Anted power supplies sitting in a box waiting to be shipped back to them. They won't take them because we can't find our proof of purchase even though they looked them up by their serial numbers and discovered they are well within the warranty period.

      To even get that far took 1 1/2 months of calling the "support" line every day, twice a day, and leaving voice mail because no one ever picked up.

      Then, I sent an email a day (just kept forwarding the same one over and over) to the support email address -- all were ignored.

      So I decided to look at the contact info, and discovered a "Complaint" link. Odd. No other company I've delt with had a 'complaint' link. Must be a crappy company, then, if they *expect* complaints. So, I fire off an email describing in quite a bit of detail what happened, why I was contacting them, and that I received no responces from anyone. I wait another month and still nothing. So I send another email (noticing that the "complaint" address changed). I told them that they lost a customer - that I'd tell *everyone* I encounter of my problems and encourage them to *not* purchase any Antec products, and that I was going to just throw away the two supplies I have because they are taking up space that I could use for other purposes.

      FINALLY! A REPLY! Started off nice enough at first, but ended in the "we won't take them back without the receipt" crap.

      Since we started using Anted supplies about 2 years ago, all the 'high end' 400+ watt ones have come back broken. ALL of them. We have been selling some 350 watt supplies, unfortunatly. I refuse to even touch them. We'll just have to see how the ThermalTake and the Enermax's I've replaced the Antec supplies with hold up.

      Odd thing with ThermalTake. I couldn't find *anyone* in the US (going through ThermalTake's list of distributers) that carried the 680w power supply they have. Oh well.. :)

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    15. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't different brand drives also have minor differences in rotational speed? I would think that simple damping between the drives and their mounts would fix that, maybe very thin rubber washers between the drive and mount and between the mount and the screws.

    16. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Sector+Bug · · Score: 1

      For myself I've had 5 seagates go out in a row... I've had a total of 8 seagate harddrives, 5 went out in a row, got rid of the 6th. Had another fail. Haven't had nearly as much trouble with any other brand, using various others Quantum (now Maxtor, but purchased before then), Western Digital, Fujitsu.

    17. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to echo what's already been said: the standard hard drive failure rate is less than 1%. Even the evil Deathstars, one of which (75GXP) took out a lot of my music, writing, and email (didn't recognize the warnings), still had a failure rate below 30%, which while utterly unacceptable, is still not the kind of failure rate you're talking about among multiple manufactures. Unless you're installing hundreds of hard drives a year, the kind of failure rates you're talking about are absurd and indicative of some other problem. My WD1200 has been humming along, problem free, since I installed it to replace the Deathstar, along with an ATA card to get around the bad ATA controller chips on the Rev 0 B&W (whole other story).

    18. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by MongooseKY · · Score: 1

      You might want to try emailing Enermax with a technical question before you go choosing Antec over them because of support reasons. I had a problem with an Enermax PS a couple months ago and emailed them with a fairly general question. I never got any response after 3 attempts but they were kind enough to add me to their junkmail list.

    19. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by chihowa · · Score: 1
      I've been a real big fan of Samsung Spinpoint drives. They are very quiet and cool. From the few of them that I've owned, they seem reliable, too.

      My next choice is Seagate (Barracuda V). They are just a bit louder than the Samsungs...

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    20. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Talisman · · Score: 2, Informative

      You saved the best for last :)

      Seagate has the lowest failure rate of any drive mfg I've come across. Maxtor has the highest. This is empirical evidence gathered from the repair of hundreds, possibly thousands of PCs.

      I just replaced my IBM DeathStar with a Seagate Barracuda.

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    21. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by LiquidRaptor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Curious here, it only took one IBM drive that was actively recalled to make you swear off the brand, even though everyother series of drives has been among the top. But it took you 3 drive failures to make you swear off Maxtor who has long been known for making shit drives?

    22. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Samsung. They are VERY quiet.

    23. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by michrech · · Score: 1

      I think you need to re-read my post. I chose Enermax OVER Antec, not the other way around. Plus, I never email first. I call first. I use email as a last resort.

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    24. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disk drive should spin on before moving heads. Othervice heads don't fly and destroy disk. Some BIOSes doesn't wait for spin on before issuing read requests. Some WD doesn't wait either (IIRC this is 1.2 GB and 1.6 GB era). Result - almost 100 % failure rate.

    25. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Well... I actually tested out all of the hardware along the way. I swapped out the PS after the last set of drive failures, I also put a power filtering UPS between the house electrical and the system, and I got new IDE cables. The only thing I haven't changed is the IDE controllers and I highly doubt that those would cause drive failures since they only deal with low voltages on the IDE bus. I suspect the drive manufacturers.

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    26. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by WNight · · Score: 1

      Well, I swore off of IBM after one failure, but it's the only failure I've got in twenty years, and they denied any problems while StorageReview was running stories on how many of them were dying. So they sent me another of the bad series and sure enough, a friend of mine who took it for $50 ($350 drive at the time) had it die on him later. He thought it was worth a try...

    27. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And "I" was written with an "i". And "GB" was written as "gb". But "quit" was written as "Quited", with a capital Q. :)

    28. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      I've had Maxtors, Western Digitals, and IBM HD's run for years, with pretty much constant use. None have crapped out yet. Might wanna check out hte rest of your machine to see what's killing your drives.

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    29. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... more amperage ...

      I think you mean "current", not "amperage".
      Or do you say e.g. "kilometresperhourage" instead of "speed" as well? ;)

    30. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Cylix · · Score: 1

      Ooops

      yes, you are quite right.

      Thanks for the correction.

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    31. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      I did have the drives packed tightly into the internal 3.5" bays. But I recently changed that and they have a good amount of spacing now. I found two more bays at the top of the case I didn't notice before (above the top CD-ROM bay on a plate just below the top of thecase). The system also has two new fans, but I still have a drive that is failing in that system according to the 'smartctl' utility. It's only the Maxtor that is going to fail and the new Hitachis seem to be doing ok after a month. I still think that the problem is the Maxtors that I bought from CompUSA. And WD, I just don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

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    32. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something I found that helped with the noise that my hard drive puts out was to put strips of weatherstripping on either side of the drive. The noise went down considerably, as the vibrations of the drive were no longer transfered to the case.

    33. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Actually the one that smoked was in a completely different system a few years back (it was a 4 gig drive). And it smoked because the WD was so shitty that they left a solder bead on the power connector that short the 12v line. I'm lucky it didn't host the rest of the system or burn out the PS. I remember taking the drive out and looking for the cause of the problem and there was a big glob of solder bridging two of the power lines on the circuit board right where the connector gets soldered on. That's specifically what made me never go back to WD.

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    34. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Hehehe... my friends say the same thing. They still don't get why I move 215 gigs of data a night either.

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    35. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Nope. I just buy them at CompUSA or Best Buy. Pretty standard fare. I've actually had better luck with the hole in the wall shops compared to them. But seeing that big box stores have put the locals out of business, I don't havemuch choice other than mail order now...

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    36. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Fweeky · · Score: 1
      "That's usually been the single source of the most noise in my systems. HD manufacturers need to make quieter drives."

      Most drives I've bought in the past few years have been practically silent. The loudest's probably the ball bearing Maxtor D740X, and even that's drowned out by even the slightest of fan noise.

      "I used to be a hardcore Maxtor fanatic, but with three out of four drive failures (250 gig drives) in only two months, I am hunting for a new manufacturer."

      While this sounds like a PSU issue, Maxtor do seem to have more problems than average atm (latest thing seems to be firmware problems). I generally avoid them these days, even if I have little more than (lots of) anecdotal evidence to suggest they're not the best of choices.

      "it only took one "DeathStar" drive from IBM to convince me that they made shitty drives"

      They had a bad batch; before then they had a good reputation which wasn't entirely unearned.. the real problem was how badly they handled the obvious design flaws they had with those drives (which I believe were mostly caused by running them too hot; a problem drives like the Quantum Fireball AS had too).

      "I can't stand Western Digital since I had three drives in a row fail"

      Wait.. that's 7 failures? Unless you're running hundreds of these drives that's a bit extensive. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Tips on running healthy HD's:
      • Buy a good PSU. This means the likes of Antec, Enermax, Sparkle, etc, with nice heavy heatsinks and words like "Active PFC" on the packaging; not the $25 550W dual-fan thing made by $random_cheapo_vendor.
      • Keep your drives cool. A big, slow fan providing a bit of airflow could easily add years to the lifespan of your drives, but failing that just make sure they're well ventilated and not even approaching 50c.
      • Buy them from reputable dealers using reputable delivery companies. You might save $5 but it's a bit of a false economy if they're going to batter the drives around during shipping.
      • Treat them with respect; those impressive sounding maximum shock values really aren't.
      • Run a SMART monitoring tool and keep an eye on things like reallocated sector counts. Most vendors will happily replace any drive which is reallocating sectors, since that's a common sign of impending doom.

      "So that leaves Seagate which I haven't had any experience with so far"

      They're the only (S)ATA drives I bother with these days. They're quiet, fairly fast, come with 5 year warranties and seem among the most reliable.
    37. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't say how big your drive pool is but that sounds like you are losing more drives than can be ascribed to chance: worst case MTBF should be something like 2 years. Check your environment: noisy power, heat, vibration, impacts?. As for brands, Seagate has provided pretty consistently reliable drives since the 20MB days. Currently I'm running a Samsung that is supposed to be one of the quietest drives out there...I've had it for 6 mos and I'm pretty happy with it so far. WD used to be good but they're going through a sketchy phase: expect them to address this soon but don't buy right now. MaxStor and Fujitsu drives are to be avoided: both tend to be noisy and prone to early failure. IBM, for some inexplicable reason, makes really bad hardware no matter what brand they try to hide it behind.

      Note: YMMV and things change. Many people are big fans of Maxstor. I suspect this is because, back when they were Quantum/Maxstor, they actually did have great drives. Ditto for WD. I'm still running several Fireballs and Caviars but that doesn't mean the new stuff measures up.

    38. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by acaspis · · Score: 1

      Good point. I'd rather keep the mechanical mounting tight in order to improve heat dissipation, though.
      7200RPM is 120Hz, so a 10s beat period would require a 0.1% design tolerance on that (i.e. pretty loose, therefore unlikely even across brands, as you suggest). But the beating could also occur between harmonics (e.g. 120Hz times the number of poles in the motors) and vibration modes probably depend on mechanical construction (material densities, shapes, etc). Hopefully different brands would have enough differences to prevent any noticeable resonance.

    39. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seagate has what you are looking for.

    40. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the second big thing is vibration. Having fans against a hdd is going to kill it.

    41. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One of them even smoked in my case when I installed it! Nearly caused a fire.

      You should install harddrives with the power off. Or do you mean they started smoking AFTER you installed them?

    42. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fujitsu MHT2060AT notebook drive is very, very quiet. Just put it in a 2 1/2" adapter.

      If you want the fluid bearings for low noise, you have to get the AT suffix. The same numbers with the suffix AH are conventional bearings.

      They are available from 20 to 80GB, but they are only 4200 RPM. I traded performance for silence.

      http://www.fcpa.fujitsu.com/products/hard-drives /
      click on the mobile comparison chart

      I find both the seek noise and the spin noise of Hitachi drives (ex IBM) very irritating. Even though they are marketed as "low noise" and have low sound specs. Standard sound tests don't capture clicks and clanks -- and a quiet screech is still a screech.

    43. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by MongooseKY · · Score: 1

      Actually I need to just properly type what I'm thinking :) My post should have read "them over Antec". Out of curiosity, where did you find a number to contact Enermax? The Contact option on their http://www.enermax.com.tw/ website only contains an email link.

    44. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by michrech · · Score: 1

      I've never needed to contact Enermax -- Yet.

      When I do need to, if I can't find a number on the web page, I'll use 800-information (1-800-555-1212 in the States - Dunno about anywhere else).

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    45. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by michrech · · Score: 1

      After less than 10 seconds of 'googling', I found: This.

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    46. Re:Ummm... what about the HDs? by reassor · · Score: 1

      I have sold 500 Seagate Drives.Ether they were DOA (broken by the shipping carier)or just work.Just like "Sie geht oder sie geht nicht"-"It just works or not".

  21. Quiet PCs... by Krankheit · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't understand why people care about how loud a computer is. At the moment I have four Open/NetBSD machines running with humming HDDs and fans, and to be quite honest, it doesn't bother me. I can't really hear the fans and HDDs unless I put my ear on the case. Of course, Metallica is blasting.

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    1. Re:Quiet PCs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may already be quite deafened. Conversely, someone who has just a little bit of hearing damage loses the built-in ability of your ears to attenuate sound somewhat, and what didn't bother them before suddenly irritates the heck out of them. But few people recognize that as a sound of hearing loss.

      Frankly, I'm amazed at the number of geeks who fail to wear ear protection in the midst of huge amounts of hardware noise, especially in server rooms.

    2. Re:Quiet PCs... by gr3g · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you can still hear the Metallica your computer isn't loud enough.

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    3. Re:Quiet PCs... by Eric604 · · Score: 1
      I used to be quite annoyed by the noise of my pc but since i started smoking i installed a fan in front of my window and it's humming along 24h a day. I am now so used to the 'noise', I couldn't care less about noise reduction.

      In fact, at work I welcome the noise of the airco (which goes on and off :( and makes lot's of noise :) when on ), it masks the typing and farts of my coworkers.

  22. Just one big advert for BigBruin.com/geeks.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This "article" is just one big advert. All the links point to geeks.com, and no doubt BigBruin.com picks up a commission on all clicks/sales.

    1. Re:Just one big advert for BigBruin.com/geeks.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like Piqepaille dived into the hardware business.

    2. Re:Just one big advert for BigBruin.com/geeks.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This "article" is just one big advert. All the links point to geeks.com, and no doubt BigBruin.com picks up a commission on all clicks/sales.

      I hate ad-based revenue too, that's why I support the Internet by buying pr0n.

    3. Re:Just one big advert for BigBruin.com/geeks.com by mike.newton · · Score: 1

      The original article is here.

  23. noisy PSUs by iamplupp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my experience the big noisemaker often is the cheap powersupply. I usually dismantle it and jack the fan to either 5V or 7V depending on the severity of the noisemaking. It pretty sure it voids the warranty though... :)

    1. Re:noisy PSUs by Bohemoth2 · · Score: 1

      Just put on some rammstien and turn up the volume!

    2. Re:noisy PSUs by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      For me, a noisy HD makes me sick. I have this seagate HD which must make some thuds as it gets activity. Heck it does not even want to die. It's now 6 years old with no bad sectors!

    3. Re:noisy PSUs by Neophus · · Score: 1

      What about them external psu's you get for Shuttle among other things. Are they totally useless on regular workstations?

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    4. Re:noisy PSUs by zippity8 · · Score: 1

      You really want to be careful when you suddenly cut down the cooling to such a key part of your system without regard for the possibility of overheating.

      There are quieter PSUs out there.

    5. Re:noisy PSUs by MrZeebo · · Score: 1

      I just bought a Coolmax Taurus PSU, which is designed to be silent. And it actually is near-silent. It uses a bigger fan that has a lower RPM. It's not extremely expensive, either. I recommend it.

  24. Re:step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well if you were my librarian from elementry school you would beat it with a meterstick. Ah the joys of the metric system.

  25. forgot harddrives by bird603568 · · Score: 1

    i have 2 harddrives in my computer a 7200 rpm and a 5400 rpm and it seems to me the slower it spins the quiter it is. But be warned preformance loss will accure.

    1. Re:forgot harddrives by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you also notice that water was wet?

      Accure?

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  26. Duh by Dr.+Max+E.+Ville · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It's the fans! The fans are doing it!"
    No shit, I tought my mousepad was making the noise. How is this article nerd? Show me the nerd stuff! Show me how I can use new discoverys in quantum physics to cool my processor with just a few atoms of plutonium and a few household items.

    1. Re:Duh by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Get me a toaster, a microwave oven, a couple of 20 megawatt YAG lasers, and i'll whip up a stargate in nothing flat!

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    2. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So could Macgyv^H^H^H^H^H^HJack.

    3. Re:Duh by Lectrik · · Score: 1

      Argh, MacGuyver....

      Lady: Now you're gonna tell me you can make a bomb out of a stick of gum or something.
      Mac: Why? Have you got one?

      There's a reason I could never get through a whole episode, even when I was young.

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    4. Re:Duh by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Heheheh, that was a plug on Stargate, SG1. There was this Ancient that was placed under Major (now Lt. Colonel) Carter's care. He built his own stargate out of two appliances, a couple grand of gadgets that he bought using her credit card (ouch!), and got away before the pentagon's goons could get ahold of him.

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    5. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the PATRIOT ACT, this qualifies as a dirty bomb and you are subject to life imprisonment. Any slashdotters who read this are part of the conspiracy.

  27. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by tylernt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "My G5 iMac is freaking loud under heavy CPU load, so not exactly the best advice there." You flunked 2nd grade, huh? "2. Make sure it's not a G5"

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  28. #1 thing to make a Pc quieter by UlfGabe · · Score: 1

    locate the loudest problem, and fix it,

    you will notice a significant difference in the noise. Because of the inverse square root relationship between intensity and distance, the smaller noises just dissapear.

    Even dampening a couple dB causes significant improvement, or try moving the actual tower further away from you(cheapest solution)

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    1. Re:#1 thing to make a Pc quieter by Lusa · · Score: 1

      or try moving the actual tower further away from you(cheapest solution)

      in addition since I've seen way too many setups like this.. get the bloody thing off the desk!

  29. Moving the computer in the closet. by deragon · · Score: 1

    I am thinking of moving my computer into the closet and have only USB input devices connected to a USB router and a long VGA cable. Since I seldomly have to access the computer (I insert a CD say, 1 every 4 months on average), that might be a good solution.

    And I live in Montreal, so heat generated in a closed closet would not be that much of a problem since my appartement is always cool, except for the hottest days of summers (I would then let the door open). But in winter, my computer is on 24/7 and it would simply generate heat that my appartement heater would generate anyway.

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    1. Re:Moving the computer in the closet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if anybody has rigged up one of those 100 cd changers that are made for a your car trunk.

    2. Re:Moving the computer in the closet. by reassor · · Score: 1

      There are some CD-Changers,made for PCs for say 100CDs.But they cost new like 3000$ and used 900$ with 500$ Shipping "over the sea" +Taxes.For this Amount,i could better build another PC with 3 Disks.Yes,playing DJ loading and unloading 300 CD might be a nightmare,but you have it do do only 1 Time (with a Raid5-Box).Also you might have already 2 PCs and buying another 2-3 external USB-CD-Drives for loading,might help you with this boring task.

  30. Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother with a sledgehammer? Gravity works just fine!

  31. Here are my 4 easy steps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Write up a guide for easily silencing your PC
    2. Get posted on /.
    3. Get slashdotted
    4. Comp is effectively silenced and reduced to a smoking pile of scrap metal

    Man, *that* was easy!

    1. Re:Here are my 4 easy steps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who dislike writing:

      1. Remove CPU, GPU, any other fans.
      2. Turn on the computer.
      3. ???
      4. Silence!!!

    2. Re:Here are my 4 easy steps... by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      I think step 3 is watching the magic smoke escape.

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    3. Re:Here are my 4 easy steps... by Piquan · · Score: 1

      Hardly. Anybody who's watched movies since the 80s knows that when a server is overloaded, sparks shoot out loudly and the server emits a high-pitched whine just before exploding.

    4. Re:Here are my 4 easy steps... by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

      That's hardly productive once you remember the fire alarms.

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  32. I'll tell you how to silence it... by rob_squared · · Score: 1

    ...just do what they did at the end of Old Yeller.

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  33. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is that in the original post genius?

  34. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by grahamlee · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have to disagree here - I've got a pair of dual G5 towers, a 20" G5 iMac, a 17" G5 iMac and a dual G5 XServe - only the XServe makes a noticable hum. Now, the Sun E450 - THAT is loud :-)

  35. Making PCs quieter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. larger and slower fans. 12 cm fans are better than 8 cm fans. Unfortunately not all pc cases and psu's allow or use 12 cm fans.
    2. Thicker pc case covers. The thinner ones vibrate more and are noisier.
    3. Underclock the cpu. Less power means less heat means less cooling which means less noise.
    4. Get a Mac Mini and use it as a remote terminal with the noisy pc in another room. I am currently in the process of trying this option.
  36. switch to notebooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I switched from an Athlon and Duron desktops to two refurbished Thinkpads. Quiet, portable, cool.

  37. Better yet... by game+kid · · Score: 0

    get another long USB cable to connect an external CD drive in case inspiration strikes more often. That aside, I wonder if you boot from a USB disk; it interests me that almost any important /dev can be connected via the rectangular port ('cept maybe graphics and sound cards?).

    If more people use only USB (and perhaps ethernet) devices home computers will look much slimmer IMO, if only slower...

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    1. Re:Better yet... by timmi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, you can cet sound via USB, for example the Sound Blaster Extigy

      Link to newegg

  38. summary by justforaday · · Score: 2, Funny

    use low noise/silent parts in your computer

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  39. So, the summary is... by Gruneun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Buy bigger fans and run them at lower speeds to quiet your PC. What an exciting tidbit of technology insight!

    The next article will discuss how to increase visibility in your office environment... by adding a lamp! Who knew?

  40. Damn music buffs... by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    > I don't understand why people care about how loud a computer is.

    Because you listen to loud music. I never listen to any music at all and consider any noise a distraction. With my homemade liquid cooling system and an LCD monitor I can hear nothing at all from the computer, which reduces the ambient noise to nearly zero. Living in a quiet neighbourhood (no idiots with loud stereos next door!), having a good heat pump (though wishing for a radiant floor heater instead), and a silent computer, can create an incomparable heaven of silence. That's when I can really start thinking.

  41. Noiseless PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My PC is noiseless although is contains two fans: one in the power supply, one on the processor (Athlon XP 3000+).

    Also the two hard disk drives are virtually noiseless.

    If a mouse would sit before my running PC and would fart silently, you would hear it like a clap of thunder.

  42. I can do it in 1 step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a laptop, Im on a 1gb laptop with AMD64bit, blows the pants of my Desktop.

    Im waiting on dual AMD64 with 2gb ram next, why do you need a desktop?

    1. Re:I can do it in 1 step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got 3 years accident cover warranty for 99 , more than you ever get with your desktop. Duel screen, uses much less power and i get more performance, if you want more storage take yer 3.5" drives from yhour desk and put them in an external case and use those.

      Far more productive now than I have ever been with a desktop, I also am going to run it on top of ESX VMware so I have a roaming and common install and no driver issues on linsux :D

      Storage companies are focusing on small drives for the consumer market, not 3.5 Behemoths. You are so yesterday.

      Desktops are so passay, theyre for the Toms hardware crowd that likes neon lights and stickers.

  43. post a link to it on slashdot by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    The reduced noice of the harddrive swapping after it comes to a grinding halt can cut down the noise by 50%.... Anyone have a mirror?

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  44. Nice story...very useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but I was really expecting the daily story about the largest galactic flash.....

  45. Worked for me by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I got 3 pc's (1 linux desktop 1 linux "server" and 1 windows 2003 game machine) The noise from them is pretty bad especially the desktop wich is an old kayah or whater hp called them.

    Anyway invested in two 5 meter kvm cables and a switch and voila. INSTANT dead silence.

    Only problem is CD's but I only need them for games and nocd patches are the best.

    As for heat. It is a large closet with bare concrete walls and a high ceiling. During the peak of summer it gets uncomfortable at head lvl but the PC's are on the ground and kept cool by just having some big fans blowing directly across the motherboard.

    Frankly it is the easiest method of silencing and the most effective. Just don't do it with earlier windows versions as you will get insane from the constant hard resets. Oh and to be fair from the hard resets when you are working on a new kernel config.

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    1. Re:Worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf, Windows 2003 GAME machine?

    2. Re:Worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1 windows 2003 game machine

      Lol. Use your linux instead. 2003 is a server box and cenrainly not optimized for games!

    3. Re:Worked for me by Keruo · · Score: 1

      this is a bit expensive solution, but you could buy two active usb hubs and extend your usb ports near the display
      then attach external usb cd/dvd drive and you're all set

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    4. Re:Worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

    5. Re:Worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've found that extending video cables leads to signal degradation. This is especially annoying since I work with graphics all day.

      Sorry, won't work.

    6. Re:Worked for me by ddent · · Score: 1

      Even with DVI? (I haven't researched this and there may be some issues, but it might be something for you to look at).

    7. Re:Worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got 3 pc's (1 linux desktop 1 linux "server" and 1 windows 2003 game machine)

      So you have 3 pc. What about the other 2003 game machine?

  46. cpu fan speed control by afaiktoit · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're lucky enough to have a motherboard that can do it this program controls the fan speed based on temperature. http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

  47. be quiet by PerlDudeXL · · Score: 1

    I bought a 'be quiet' power supply. I don't really hear my box anymore.

  48. What noise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No CPU fan (VIA)
    No power supply fan (lightly loaded PS, see above)
    $hit load of flash so no HDD.

    = very quiet

  49. Like a birdcage at night... by My+Iron+Lung · · Score: 1

    ...just throw a towel over it.

  50. In one step by sp3tt · · Score: 1

    Turn off the speakers.

  51. More elaborate and practical advise by Freggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    For very complete and more practical information, reviews and good advise for silencing your computer I can really recommend SilentPCReview.

  52. A Real Sysadmin just loves that sound ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

    I Actually love the sound of computers (don't call it noise, it's not). Sunday morning, absolute silence, reading /., and the only thing i can here is my computer doing it's job.
    And it's a pretty noicy one (4 bays, 1m Tall Full Tower, 4 Fans, a Sempron 2200 Overclocked to 2100MHZ, with a Really Big (tm) Cooler. I have 2 disks, 2 CD-RW, and i use 2 400w power supplys to power it all)

    ALMAFUERTE

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  53. Avoid the fanless PSUs by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 2, Informative
    (from article) Fanless power supplies are now available that generate zero noise, but none have found their way to the shelves at Geeks.com. These fanless power supplies don't follow the guidelines of typical design...

    A point to which I can personally attest -- I bought the Antec fanless power supply, and it failed within 30 days.

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    1. Re:Avoid the fanless PSUs by gobbo · · Score: 1
      Fanless power supplies are now available

      I just bought a Mac G3 All-in-one (made in '98) for $25 for the kids. First thing, throw spare RAM and HD in there; second, swap out that bagpipe-loud fan. When I get in there, I realize that there's one 92mm fan for the whole case, sucking air off the logic board and directing it upwards through the power supply, which does not have its own fan. I was impressed by that, even more so now that the (cheap quiet Nexus) fan emits under 20db and moves more air.

    2. Re:Avoid the fanless PSUs by Rothron+the+Wise · · Score: 1

      Also, a PSU is often the only fan blowing air out of the case. Remove that and you'll soon overheat everything inside, which makes things a lot hotter
      for the PSU also.

      This means that if you buy a fanless PSU you'll need to install another fan to replace the one you've removed. Money is better spent on a PSU with a better fan than the one you have.

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  54. Power supply by Metasquares · · Score: 1

    Though mentioned in the article, the power supply actually has a larger impact on noise than the article suggests. I upgraded my stock 350W power supply to a TruePower 430 and it literally halved the amount of noise that my system was generating.

  55. 1 simple step by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    Put it in a box:

    http://www.pctable.com/?siah_product_group=2&sia h_ product_page=1&siah_product_slot_id=48

  56. Re:Do it in one step... by TheSpoom · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Moderators: Please don't mod this down redundant. It was posted probably within seconds of the first post. The poster had no way of knowing the prior comment would say the same thing.

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  57. Re:step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'd rather have a hot 22-year-old dress up as a librarian with those cute glasses...

    I'll be back in half an hour. *grabs a pack of tissues before disappearing*

  58. Requisite server joke by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let's hope that quieting my computer doesn't make it like these guys' server.

    Seriously, though, system noise can be reduced pretty easily.

    1) Get a heavy case. I was always surprised at the fact that my ex-girlfriend's Aluminum case was much noisier than my steel case, given that I have many more things in my case. Thicker materials (obviously) cut down on noise levels.

    2) Get a good PSU. Besides the stability and reliability increase, it pretty much stands to reason that Random-Taiwan-Tech isn't going to be terribly concerned with the sound levels on a $35 PSU if it adds to the cost at all. Antec produces some cool thermal-sensing PSUs that will throttle PSU fan speed based on thermal levles. They also have special fan-only molexes that allow them to do the same thing to any other fans in the case.

    3) Switch to the biggest fans you can. It takes fewer RPMs on an 80mm or 120mm fan for it to move the same amount of air as a 60mm fan. This goes for case fans AND CPU fans. Zalman makes some intriguing CPU cooling solutions that separate the fan from the heatsink, and thus use huge, slow, quiet fans. If you want to get fancy, rewire the fans so they operate on 7V or 5V input.

    4) Never ever buy a mainboard with a fan on the northbridge. I absolutely hate this design concept. For one, the fans are very small and thus usually noisy. But most importantly, these things are the cheapest designs available, as the mobo manufacturers aren't looking to add major costs to their product. Consequently, they fail much more quickly than many other things. If you're lucky, they'll just up and stop spinning. If you're unlucky, they'll continue spinning, but with a strange squeek or hum as they march toward death. The counterpart to this is your videocard. If you're not planning on gaming, look at one of the lower-end videocards that use a heatsink only.

    5) Cut down on vibration. Hard drives are kind of noisy, yes. In my experience, though, it's really the vibrations that contribute to the noise levels. Try to wedge some thin rubber washers between the HDD and the case when you're screwing it in. Some newer case designs actually use a system like this by default, and the noise level reduction is quite impressive.

    Outside of these five is when you start getting into specialty areas: Putting noise-absorbing material in the case, using large heat-pipe coolers in place of fans on your video card, moving the computer to a closet and running long cables, etc. Honestly, though, if you follow the above recommendations, you should get something quiet enough that you don't need to worry.

    1. Re:Requisite server joke by smchris · · Score: 1

      It was a simple article so I'll throw my two cents in here after your response and second going with Zalman. I'm really happy with the fan tail heat sinks and large fans. Work well, are inherently quieter and slower fans just make a less annoying whine. Not rocket science for some significant improvement. Standard CPU fans are just nasty.

    2. Re:Requisite server joke by Malc · · Score: 1

      "5) Cut down on vibration. Hard drives are kind of noisy, yes. In my experience, though, it's really the vibrations that contribute to the noise levels. Try to wedge some thin rubber washers between the HDD and the case when you're screwing it in. Some newer case designs actually use a system like this by default, and the noise level reduction is quite impressive."

      I have four hard drives in my system. I would say they generate most of the most of the noise. In fact I can feel the side of the case vibrating, and that's without any disk access occurring, just the drives spinning.

      I noticed my Tivo has rubber grommets where the hard drive screws on to the bracket. My biggest concern with this would be the affect on heat dissipation. Three of the drives are packed tightly together in a cradle where airflow isn't very great, and I'm sure the cradle and case help with cooling. Anybody have any comments on this?

    3. Re:Requisite server joke by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      5) Cut down on vibration. Hard drives are kind of noisy, yes. In my experience, though, it's really the vibrations that contribute to the noise levels. Try to wedge some thin rubber washers between the HDD and the case when you're screwing it in. Some newer case designs actually use a system like this by default, and the noise level reduction is quite impressive.

      I've had one hard drive get more noisy when I added rubber washers. The reason, I think, is that the resonant frequency got closer to the vibration of the HD.

      Springy substances can only shift the resonant frequency, which can be a good thing if it gets you further from resonance. A dissipative material is better in general, as it will flatten the resonance peak.

      I've got the best results with a few layers of bubble wrap. It's bad for heat dissipation though, so I just rest the HD on top of it.

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    4. Re:Requisite server joke by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

      The counterpart to this is your videocard. If you're not planning on gaming, look at one of the lower-end videocards that use a heatsink only.


      A better idea for those who aren't going to game is to stick with an on-board video card. It's almost always quiet and still has the advantage of being instantly upgraded to a gaming machine with one hardware addition.

      Also, even a "high-end" video card can have a cheap fan - when I purchased my Geforce TI4400 (Asus V8440) years ago, It came with a fan that was designed to push air sideways with many small fins (I just found out, since I took it apart to oil the fan). The fan, as you can guess, was the biggest noise maker in my system (other than the 30mm fan on my caddy, which had a bad bearing.)

      Of course, I doubt the fan in question is doing anything useful, since it doesn't appear to be transferring the air over anything that heats up. But I won't be taking any chances unless someone else with an says it's perfectly fine.


      Outside of these five is when you start getting into specialty areas: Putting noise-absorbing material in the case, using large heat-pipe coolers in place of fans on your video card, moving the computer to a closet and running long cables, etc. Honestly, though, if you follow the above recommendations, you should get something quiet enough that you don't need to worry.
      Actually, there is one missing - use a low angular velocity CD-reader/writer. This isn't (or shouldn't be) special since the only real advantage of CDs being faster than 16X would only be useful for those who want to minimize install times for whatever (which is now pointless in a multi-tasking system.)

      The only problem here is that those CD readers are out of production, or hard to find.
    5. Re:Requisite server joke by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 1

      You couldn't pay me enough to use an onboard card, gaming or no. Because of the shared RAM access, onboard cards have a nasty habit of seriously degrading system performance. The few times I'm forced to use shared memory cards, the systems not only perform worse in CPU and RAM-bound operations, they feel generally sluggish in everything.

      I don't dispute the cheapness of fans on nice videocards; like the RAMDAC, it's one of the things the gaming crowd rarely pays attention to. If you're not planning on making a gaming monster, though, something like the Radeon 9600 will perform modestly but only need passive cooling.

      The CD Reader/Burner is of course only an issue when you're actually reading/burning. That is a point in time when I'm willing to settle for the noise, especially given that a 52X model will be done sooner than an 8X. As for CDs that need to be in the tray, Daemon Tools + an ISO improves performance better than any drive ever could, and adds no noise to the equation.

    6. Re:Requisite server joke by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 1

      By "one drive" do you mean that only one out of X got noisier, or do you mean that you tried it once and abandoned the idea?

      That may have been an isolated situation, or it may have been that you managed to push a metal portion of the drive more tightly against the case. In my non-scientific analyses, a small washer that completely separates the drive from the case does reduce vibration noise.

      Antec's silent series of cases use a pretty nifty commercial application of this idea. Drives rest in a removable cage. The screws have a long, non-threaded section above the actual portion that locks into the drive. The holes in the cage are slightly larger, and have a rubber "spool" that effectively locks into the hole with larger portions at each side. The screw then attaches through this, so that the non-threaded portion is gripped by the center section of the spool. I used one of these for my sisters' computer, and I was pretty surprised at how quiet it was.

    7. Re:Requisite server joke by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0
      I noticed my Tivo has rubber grommets where the hard drive screws on to the bracket. My biggest concern with this would be the affect on heat dissipation. Three of the drives are packed tightly together in a cradle where airflow isn't very great, and I'm sure the cradle and case help with cooling. Anybody have any comments on this?
      Yes. Learn some physics.
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    8. Re:Requisite server joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Anybody have any comments on this?

      Yeah, the 'cradle' doesn't have anything to do with heat dissipation, and everything with transfering vibration. Second, next buy a decent case that lets you mount a fan at the head of the 'cradle' behind the 3 drives.

    9. Re:Requisite server joke by Malc · · Score: 1

      "eah, the 'cradle' doesn't have anything to do with heat dissipation"

      Why not? If it's at an elevated temperature then it's transferred heat away from the hard drives.

    10. Re:Requisite server joke by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Get some of these from CompUSA. They help cooling a little and help with vibrations a lot. Of course you need free 5 inch drive bays. If you have drive rails (like me) the hole spacing may be non-standard and require some drilling, but that's easy enough if you take your time and measure carefully.

    11. Re:Requisite server joke by armb · · Score: 1

      > If you're lucky, they'll just up and stop spinning. If you're unlucky, they'll continue spinning, but with a strange squeek or hum as they march toward death.

      Alternatively, if you're unlucky, they'll just up and stop spinning and then your northbridge will die from overheating. If it worked reliably without a fan, they'd have skipped the cost of even a cheap fan. (If you are lucky, they only put the northbridge fan on to work reliably with no case fan, and you have a case fan.)

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    12. Re:Requisite server joke by Malc · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately the cradle for three of the drives is the smaller size. If it were the larger size I wouldn't be so worried about the insulation between the drive and the cradle resulting in a higher heat load.

  59. A small tip. by Anthet · · Score: 0

    Keep the computer case closed. Yeah, I know its a pain to unscrew everytime you need to do some hack (read switch pci slots because the soundcard all of a sudden decided to stop working and for some reason it always works when you switch pci slot) but you get rid of an awfull lot of noice. So no more open computer cases.
    And as a tip to that guy having trouble with pubes getting stuck in his computer:
    A: Shave
    B: Stop having perverted relations with your computer, I know the PSU looks might good at times, but cmon, it isnt healty.

  60. Laptops? by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

    My laptop has a huge combination two CPU fan heatsink that generates a lot of noise. I fear that it's non-standard. Does anyone know good ways of silencing laptops?

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    1. Re:Laptops? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Buy a Powerbook or iBook.

      You'll be hard pressed to find quieter laptops with similar performance.

      If you don't like OS X, you can stick Linux on there.

      While it's true the first gen Tibooks had hair-dryer-loud fans, the newer Albooks have near silent fans that only come on when the temp is high.

      The iBooks have a fan, but in 2 years I've never heard it come on. The G3 only puts out 6 watts at 900Mhz - ideal for cool running. I've only worked with a few G4 iBooks, but these have also been very quiet in my experience.

      Apple really has worked hard to ensure the quietest machines possible.

      The downside, of course, is that you need to buy a new laptop. I think this would be easier than making extensive cooling modifications to an old laptop that hasn't been designed with that in mind. Taking apart a laptop isn't hard; making extensive modifications inside is another matter entirely.

      You could replace the hard drive with a quieter, cooler HD, and the optical drive too, but there's not much else I'd be happy doing (like putting variable resistors inline with the fan power connectors which you can get away with more easily on a desktop).

    2. Re:Laptops? by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know good ways of silencing laptops?

      Powerbooks are pretty quiet. I imagine that there are PC laptop manufacturers out there that do just as well in their design. Just a guess, but maybe Sony VAIOs? I recall when they came out, they were way ahead of the crowd in terms of design because they were so much thinner than the standard laptop.

  61. Graphics cards by MrDrBob · · Score: 1

    ...especially the newer, more powerful, 2-slot (or even 3-slot) graphics cards. They are factory-equipped with a cheap and noisy fan, and it is best to replace them ASAP.

  62. Re:Do it in one step... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

    When i posted, there was one post before me. Ah well, 3rd post on a topic can be redundant these! Just out of interest, why are you asking them this on my behalf friend?

  63. Re:Do it in one step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because he loves you? ;)

  64. a thick rug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find that putting a blanket over the entire rig when I'm doing something important works really well. Sure, it goes up five degrees or so, but its an Athlon and programming or word processing are hardly CPU intensive tasks. Most of the time it's normally running cooler anyway. Of course its sandwiched between my desk and the wall, so that helps a bit too with the sound already. I'd say monitor the temp, and put something over it to try it out, especially if you have an Intel. I believe they typically run at lower temperatures.

  65. Damn intellitxt! by SteWhite · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article is on a site using IntelliTxt advertising - I hate that stuff, and block it whenever I can. If you want to block the ads on that site too, block the following with your hosts file:

    text.burstnet.com

    Might as well add the list of ones I already block to stop IntelliTxt -

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    1. Re:Damn intellitxt! by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

      ... or if using Firefox with the Adblock plugin, just add *vibrantmedia.com* and *intellitxt.com* ;-)

    2. Re:Damn intellitxt! by enosys · · Score: 1
      My AdBlock filters already blocked this. The */ads/* filter caught it.

      AdBlock seems like a better ad-blocking method than the hosts file. You can have wildcards that will catch many cases like */ads/* and even if you need to block sites you can catch them with a wildcard like http://*.intellitxt.com/*

  66. Use a PocketPC by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just installed Familiar 0.8 on an old iPaq 3670. I wanted to use the iPaq to stream music in my bedroom, from a shoutcast server in my office, because it's tiny and has no fan. But WinCE couldn't decode the ethernet packets and send them to the soundcard in realtime, even at 24Kbps. It took about an hour to sort out the various install docs (hint: copy *everything* to a CF over USB while the iPaq still runs WinCE), then about half an hour to actually install it ("bootstrap": CLI/sshd only). Now that little bugger is running real Linux 2.4.19, and streaming 320Kbps MP3 via packages both in the stripped Familiar distro, and Debian/ARM packages. And used iPaqs cost $100 (+ $50 CF sleeve / ethernet).

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  67. AOpen cases by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

    Having just built four AOpen Cubes with Seagate Barracuda 120GB ATA drives, I am amazed at how quiet the systems are without any special effort.

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  68. Re:step 2 by Sarastrobert · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would, only I have yet to find an ape suit that fits me. But imagine the fringe benefits, such as being able to scratch one self in public...

  69. there are lot of very silent... by Hymer · · Score: 0

    ...but quite expensive 80mm 110v fans for prof. sound app., they are usually twice as thick as a usual PC fan but the noise level is far lover than any fan you usually buy for a PC...

  70. There is no step 2 by goombah99 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Buy a Mac.
    No seriously. Dell Fanboys always want to point out how macs are expensive. Then we see article like this talking about how to spend loads of dollars to make your PC quieter.

    Next time a Dell Fanboy wants to make a price comparison, please throw in a couple hundred bucks for "quieting" that drone.

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    1. Re:There is no step 2 by jargoone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My Dell 400SC has a single 120mm fan in the back. Most of the time, I can't even tell the machine is powered on. It get a little louder when it's doing something CPU intensive. It's the quietest PC I've ever owned.

      BTW, you didn't even have to RTFA, you just had to RTF summary. I can't get to the article, but the summary says the steps are inexpensive, which leads me to believe that you don't have to spend loads of money.

      One more thing: I am not a Dell fanboy, but Macs are expensive.

    2. Re:There is no step 2 by thebes · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you have seen the latest high end Dell systems, you would have known that they employ a large fan on the back, with cowling on the inside that directs airflow between the fan, and the large heatpipe heatsink. Many professors buy these at work, and during setup, as the poster below me says, you can't even hear them.

    3. Re:There is no step 2 by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      My PowerMac G5 is really no less quiet than any of the other PCs I use. In fact, once I actually start doing anything intensive with it the fans speed up and it sounds like the home gaming system (with tons of fans in it running at full speed all the time). Now, maybe an iMac is quieter, but the tower is definitely loud.

    4. Re:There is no step 2 by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Informative
      One more thing: I am not a Dell fanboy, but Macs are expensive.

      $3000 for a good quality high-end computer isn't that expensive. That's about how much high end systems have always cost throughout the years. Hell, a new top of the line PowerMac is probably cheaper than the IBM AT when it was first released. When you factor in the cost of the PowerMac over the 4-6 year lifespan it'll see on your desktop it's not that expensive.

    5. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not have used some of the latest Dells. They are quiet. They are crap also but they are not loud when running.

    6. Re:There is no step 2 by prototypical · · Score: 1

      Just what core clock is your G5, then? I'm running a dual 1.8 with the 9600XT card in it and the fans only ever rev up high at boot. Any other time it's just about as quiet as my eMac 700, barring some ridiculous and continuous load on both processors at once.

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    7. Re:There is no step 2 by toddestan · · Score: 0

      Buy a Mac.

      Note that the article title is "5 Simple Steps to a Quieter PC." Besides, the Powermac G5 isn't really that quiet anyway. And the noise from some of the G4's is downright annoying.

      Besides, Dell fanboys? I really didn't know that there were that many Dell fanboys. The only reason the Mac fanboys like to pick on Dell is that Dell really doesn't make a very good PC anyway. Though many of them are pretty quiet.

    8. Re:There is no step 2 by IBeatUpNerds · · Score: 3, Informative

      My Dell 400SC has a single 120mm fan in the back. Most of the time, I can't even tell the machine is powered on. It get a little louder when it's doing something CPU intensive. It's the quietest PC I've ever owned

      I apologize for being somewhat offtopic and hope I don't get modded into oblivion. At work my desktop is a Dimension 4600c. This is the absolute loudest machine I've ever heard. I know judging this is subjective, but when I do something CPU intensive the fan goes through five phases starting at silent and ending up roaring. It sounds like a 747 throttling up for takeoff. My Inspirion 8200 laptop is quite loud. You can hear it across the room when it's warm. When it's hot, it's scary.

      Just my $.02 about Dell's and volume. They're quite loud, but I guess I'm not pretentious enough to buy a Mac ;)

    9. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $3000 isn't too bad for a top-of-the-line workstation, but $1500 for an entry-level minitower (PMac G5 1.8) is a rip off.

      Also, if you can get your work done on a 4-6 year old computer (Mac or PC), your needs are pretty minimal and you should not be spending several grand on a replacement.

    10. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Try cleaning the bloody thing out and lubricating the fan bearings. It's amazing what a bit of dust in a bad place can do.

    11. Re:There is no step 2 by legirons · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "My Dell 400SC has a single 120mm fan in the back. Most of the time, I can't even tell the machine is powered on. It get a little louder when it's doing something CPU intensive. It's the quietest PC I've ever owned."

      We have various racks of Dell desktop machines at work. When you turn the whole lot on at the power supply, it creates a gale that blows papers in adjacent rooms, as all 16 computers startup with their fans set to maximum.

      At another building, we have 16 server-style (big, lockable, etc.) dell machines. It's only marginally below the legal limits for noise that people are allowed to work in.

      Another similar installation (PCs, not Dells) was found to be "okay if you stood at least 4 meters away" in terms of harmful volume of noise.

      My home PC (zalman flower-CPU, new PSU, etc.) ranges from "annoying" (most of the time) to "people think you've left the hoover on" when it detects that it's too hot.

      So yeah, if Macs are better than that, I might get one. Dell sure as hell isn't the answer.

      Why do you say "Macs are expensive" when they supply not only the cheapest decent computer around, but the iMac which (after all the initial PC puffery) was found to be cheaper than building a similarly-specc'd PC, and the G4 which is so much cheaper than equivalent PCs that they built a cluster supercomputer out of them. And this is comparing them to the price of Dells, of all computers?!?

    12. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I doubt you're smart enough to operate a Mac.

      Aren't blind generalizations fun?

    13. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, I couldn't find the dual 64bit home PCs on Dell's web site.

    14. Re:There is no step 2 by name773 · · Score: 1

      you could assemble your own dual opteron box, that would be one fast machine...

    15. Re:There is no step 2 by runningduck · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just a quick fact check:

      4070.00 - Alien dual 64bit 2.4gig w/ 1gig ram
      3369.00 - Apple dual 64bit 2.5gig w/ 1gig ram

      4989.00 - Alien dual 64bit 2.4gig w/ 4gig ram
      4269.00 - Apple dual 64bit 2.5gig w/ 4gig ram

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    16. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See the /. front page. You should be able to buy EMT64 Dell shitboxes in the next week or two.

    17. Re:There is no step 2 by Moderatbastard · · Score: 1, Funny
      Try cleaning the bloody thing out and lubricating the fan bearings. It's amazing what a bit of dust in a bad place can do.
      With a Dell you have to do that manually, but the Mac has an icon that you just click, right?
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    18. Re:There is no step 2 by peace2300 · · Score: 1

      for about 40 dollors i got rid of the one thing that makes my computer so loud, it my cooling has improved by 30% here are the specs on the cpu cooler

      Zalman CNPS7000B-CU Copper CPU Fan For Socket 478/462/AMD64
      Specification

      * Dimensions: 109 (L) x 109 (W) x 62 (H) mm
      * Weight: 755g
      * Base Material: Pure Copper
      * Dissipation Area: 3,154 cm2
      * Bearing Type: 2-Ball
      * Speed: 1,350 ~ 2,600 rpm
      * Noise Level: 18.0 ~ 27.5 dB

      * Does not generate noise or vibration in Silent Mode.
      * Pure Copper base materials ensure excellent heat dissipation.
      * Intel Pentium 4 (Socket478), AMD Duron/Athlon/Athlon XP (Socket 462), and Sempron/AMD64 (Socket754/939/940) compatible design for broad compatibility.
      * 92mm fan inside the FHS maximizes airflow and makes installation easier.
      * Adjustable fan speed controller (FAN MATE 2) enables control of noise and fan performance.

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    19. Re:There is no step 2 by koreaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When did I say I was going to buy an alien? Those things are more overpriced than Macs.

    20. Re:There is no step 2 by kronchev · · Score: 1

      Interesting, we forgot that Mac people dont understand computers, and how you can build your own when you use real components.

    21. Re:There is no step 2 by mbaciarello · · Score: 1

      ... and the G4 which is so much cheaper than equivalent PCs that they built a cluster supercomputer out of them...

      You sure you're not talking about VirginiaTech's G5 12.25 Tflops cluster?

      Anyways, I totally agree with your point(s). Most people saying Macs are more expensive are not only ignoring the "cost-effectiveness" of the OS, but also the value of a silent, small and/or safe computer.

    22. Re:There is no step 2 by runningduck · · Score: 1

      Then what are you going to buy that is in the same class as the Apple within the same price range and the similar noise output?

      Dell? HP? Homebuilt?

      I posted some facts, please your own supporting facts?

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    23. Re:There is no step 2 by koreaman · · Score: 1

      Okay. My prices are probably off, I haven't bought new comp parts for quite a long time, but they're close enough.

      Dual Athlon 64 fx-55 processors 2000
      Top of the line graphics card 500
      4 GB ram 1500 (I think, my system only has 512mb)
      mobo say 500
      Peripherals 100
      So we end up with 4600 dollars. May be more than the top of the line macs, but it's much, much faster. The fx-55s are better, the graphics card is better, the ram is better, it's all better.

    24. Re:There is no step 2 by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      you got one shitty setup for zalman to sound like a hoovering machine.

      and this from a guy who watercools..

      anyways. there's been some reports of how mini mac makes shitload of noise once you hit something that makes the cpu work(a lot of people think that they don't have a fan).

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    25. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you and Apple may like changing the definition of PC, the last time I checked a Mac is a Personal Computer, so shove it bitch.

    26. Re:There is no step 2 by legirons · · Score: 1

      "you got one shitty setup for zalman to sound like a hoovering machine."

      The Zalman makes (as expected) zero difference to a case containing a graphics card and two hard drives

      - Graphics cards are either noisy because they contain a cheap 40mm fan, or noisy because they contain a super-expensive high-performance fan.
      - You (I) could get a passively-cooled graphics card, but that means spending enough money to get a good graphics card, and receiving a crappy graphics card with an expensive block of aluminum bolted to it.
      - Hard drives are noisy, well I couldn't say why. But it doesn't seem to vary when you compare new drives, old drives, cheap drives, expensive drives. I don't want to spend twice the normal price on a "silent" hard drive because I know manufacturers blatantly lie about such things.
      - ok, I could read all the reviews at some intolerable one-page-per-paragraph 160-pixel-wide "hardware review site" with flash animations both sides and an utter disinterest in what doesn't work with Linux. But again, they just publish the manufacturer's specifications because (a) they're lazy, or (b) they want more free samples, or (c) they want advertising.
      - DansData seems more likely. But the chances of him reviewing the same item I'm trying to buy are negligble enough that it's only happened once so far. Everyone here who works at a hardware company, tell your PR department to send review kit to Dan!
      - PSUs again, seem to be just as noisy whether they're old, new, cheap, expensive... ok so I can take it apart and put an even quieter fan in, but mixing my soldering in a difficult-to-reach location with high-frequency high-voltage switchgear doesn't sound ideal in an area which would be expensive to set fire to...

      Goodness knows what else in there is making the noise - you can't really isolate things to test when so much stuff threatens to overheat at the first fan-stoppage, and you need at least the PSU fan and hard-disk powered to even boot the thing.

    27. Re:There is no step 2 by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      you cannot run dual athlon 64s - not even the FXs.
      you need to use Opterons, and you also say you just made the numbers up.
      What the hell was the point of even posting?

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    28. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least for ATI graphics cards (yes it does work under Linux) you can buy Zalman's heatpipe passive cooling device. Its huge and covers the front and back of the video card (including the PCI slot next to the AGP one) but its quite capable of cooling my 9800Pro without any fan at all. I do run the optional 80mm fan to give myself some extra peace of mind and at 5v its almost silent anyway. I picked this up for AU$40 second hand. Zalman recommends the use of the optional fan on nVidia based cards but I'm not sure if the device provides enough cooling for a GF6 series card, GF5's are certainly OK.

      I have a Seagate 120gb drive, it's silent. This is one example of manufacturer specs being correct, its the quietest drive I've ever had. I had a server with WD drives in it and they make far more noise than the Seagate. I originally had an IBM 40gb which made even more noise (I think the bearings were starting to give out - queue Deathstar comments! :) )

      PSU - I bought an Antec TruePower that throttles its fans based its/case temperature. This PSU also has some "fan only" connectors that it also throttles depending on its temperature.

      Case - I have just bought a Lian-Li PC-60, expensive but well worth it (there are 3 of these cases in the house I live in) they come with 4 80mm fans which produce a bit of noise, but putting two on the PSU fan only connectors and setting the speed of the other two via the included 3-speed switch makes the case almost silent also. You can get away with a cheap case as long as it has - a fan at the top of the case (as hot air rises, its an obvious place to let out heat but not too many cases come with this) and no noisy fans, avoid anything with LED/UV reactive in its description as they spend the $10 it cost to make then on the shiny parts, not quality bearings.

      My CPU HSF (Vantec AeroFlow TMD) makes the majority of the noise in my case and its not a noisy fan by any means. This is the next thing to be replaced with a Zalman ZNCPS7000, that should make my system virtually silent even when running flat out.

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    29. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can second that. I have a Dell Poweredge 2300 and I had to build an enclosure for the thing (and lock it in the closet!) since it was so freaking loud. The problem lies in the fact that there are three fans in the case. One 80mm for the power supply, one 120mm for the SCSI cage, and another 120mm for the dual PIII's. I'd replace the fans except for the fact that the 120mm fans all have an extra wire for grounding purposes, and I'll be damned if I'm going to buy a replacement from Dell.

      It's a beast, it's heavy, it's loud, and it's locked in the closet... and I can still hear it fairly well.

    30. Re:There is no step 2 by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      At the recording studio on campus I've noticed that the G5 is very quiet when it's not doing anything, but rather loud when it's processor gets cranking. I just built them a PC, since they have some software they want to use that's PC only, and it's interesting comparing it to the G5. I just used the stock Intel heatsink and stock Antec fans and PSU so it's not particularly quiet, but it's deceant. When they are just idling, the G5 wins easily. The PC produces a fair bit of noise. though it's not excessive. However crank them up and it's a different story completely. The PC doesn't audibly change, whereas the G5 gets fairly noisy.

      The engineer's solution is just to keep them in a seperate box that's acousticly shielded. Works quite well and he just doesn't have to worry much about what he throws in there. I was supprised how much noise the G5 made when it got goign though.

      At home I dropped about $100 into make my computer quiet between nice processor heatsink, quiet fans, a quiet PSU and some foam to stick in the case. Net effect is it is almost inaudible. All you can hear from the keyboard is the harddrives spinning, and I haven't figured out a good way to dampen them and still keep them cool.

    31. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ on a stick, Alienware is the most overpriced PC builder, maybe except for Voodoo.

      PC cases have come a looong way. You can build a very nice system (or have it built for you) for much less than you will find at Alienware.

    32. Re:There is no step 2 by pod · · Score: 1
      My home PC (zalman flower-CPU, new PSU, etc.) ranges from "annoying" (most of the time) to "people think you've left the hoover on" when it detects that it's too hot.

      What the fuck have you done to your system?!? I have one of those Zalman copper flower type HSF mounted on a P4 3.2 and 3.0 sytsems, and even with the fan turned way up (which is not necessary unless you're planning to be pinning the CPU) it is quieter than the hard drive or case fan.

      You've either bought a defective rip off, or it's something else making that noise.

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    33. Re:There is no step 2 by black+mariah · · Score: 0

      Since you've apparently been under a rock during the past ten years of computing, I'll let you in on a little secret. PC no longer refers to the generic "personal computer" of 1982. The definition of a PC has changed over the years, to the point where now it's simply a shorter form of "IBM PC Compatible". You're like those pretentious cockbites that say "USian". Nobody thinks you're clever but you and other retards.

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    34. Re:There is no step 2 by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I suppose whenever you had just bought your brand new Apple computer, you went to all of your Mac using friends and said, "You need to check out my new PC!!!". Or not...

    35. Re:There is no step 2 by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I couldn't find Apple's 64 bit operating system or any 64 bit programs for the Mac. duh!

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    36. Re:There is no step 2 by redsilo · · Score: 1

      I was just going to suggest that. I have been running macs for the last decade or so, mostly old clones. I finally got a beige G3 and was impressed by how quiet it is. There is some fan noise to be sure but I think the overall layout of the hardware also helps. The hard drive is located high and to the rear of the case, as far away from the operator as is practical. I think the case itself must be designed with noise suppression in mind. This is, of course, a machine so antiquated that probably 1% of slashdotters would own up to owning.

    37. Re:There is no step 2 by swv3752 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      There several Power Supplies that are generally quiet. I have an Antec true power that is quiet with a temperature controlled fan. The hardest is finding a cpu heatsink fan that is quiet.

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    38. Re:There is no step 2 by dmneoblade · · Score: 1

      My home PC (zalman flower-CPU, new PSU, etc.) ranges from "annoying" (most of the time) to "people think you've left the hoover on" when it detects that it's too hot Am I the only lucky guy to have 2 bargin-bin fans (that came with my PC) together only make enough noise to be barely audible while sitting next to it? whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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    39. Re:There is no step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of 64 bit apps fo the mac. just look around a bit. Why the fuck would you want a 64 bit OS as long as your app can handle a 64 bit address space okay?

    40. Re:There is no step 2 by plover · · Score: 1
      Absolutely true. I have a Dell Precision dual Xeon 3.6 GHz at work and it's quieter than the background noise. Granted, it's a typical cube farm so there's always a constant level of (surprisingly high) background noise, but I can't tell audibly that the machine is on.

      I will say, though, that it's wasn't an "inexpensive solution" by any measure.

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    41. Re:There is no step 2 by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Well, I just built my home system. The only 80MM fan in the system is the CPU fan. The Powersupply and two case fans are all 120MM. If you figure it out, each 120MM is worth arount 2.25 80MM fans in air movement, all else being equal. Make some sacrifices, such as rotational speed, and a 120MM fan will last longer, be quieter, and still move more air than an equal 80MM. My case moves a large amount of air, and is still far quieter than my old compter. Best yet, it's a deeper hum, sounds more like a box fan than a computer.

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    42. Re:There is no step 2 by chefren · · Score: 1

      The Zalman coolers or something like Arctic coolings new offerings are either silent or very quiet. They are *not* as expensive as you want them to sound. The Zalman ZM80C-HP costs less than $25. Hardly the difference between a crappy and a good graphics card.

      Hard drives can be suspended. You can even DIY something here using rubber bands or foam or both. Also "silent" hard drives don't cost more. Some are just quieter than others.

      As for PSUs..well you haven't really tried stuff out have you? The differences can be huge. The trick is having the fan spin slower when the psu is not under pressure.

      Also: so what if you have to spend 100-150$ extra on your pc? If the payoff is 20dB lower noise, I'd do it every time.

    43. Re:There is no step 2 by IBeatUpNerds · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? It's brand-fucking-new. Nice try. Next?

    44. Re:There is no step 2 by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      have you listened to a new stock cooler on amd or intel machines? and compared THAT to the zalman? and seriously say that there's no difference?

      nv5 silencer or equivalent makes the graphics card quite silent. the remaining problem is the hard drive(choose silent drives or put them in enclosures). actually, the hs on the 6800nx i got was pretty silent if put to slow speed(worked fine at stock mhz when set there).

      I know for me the old hd's are the nro 1 noise maker. BUT.. just going to my flatmates room reminds me of how silent my machine really is as there's no howler on the cpu(nor on the gfx card. the nv5 silencer does excellent job).

      same goes for psus, if you havent compared new and old, silent and noisy psu's don't say that they don't have a difference! they do. if you want ultra silence from that portion just buy a passive cooled psu(they make them now, not that badly priced either).

      there's quite a few forums on the web dedicated just for silencing the pc, with lots of information on what you can do to it.. (actually, easiest way is to just relocate the case and use usb-enclosured cd drive and long cables for monitor and keyboard, doesn't matter if the thing howls if it's somewhere else)

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  71. Sound-proof case by AC-x · · Score: 1

    Lian-Li make a sound-proof case. It's got sound padding round the inside and rubber seals round the door on the front.

    It's not completely silent but it is a fair bit quieter, and it comes with a built in dust filter so it keeps the inside nice and clean too.

  72. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by jdwest · · Score: 5, Informative

    My 2x2.0 G5 tower is next to silent (except with the 10.3.8 update and I had to switch proc performance from "automatic" to "highest" to keep them from become overly excited executing even the simplest of tasks).

    I finally received my XServe (2x2.3) and set it up Friday. It is dead quiet. So quiet, in fact, that I had to temporarily shut down the Dell PowerEdge 4600 just to hear it. Still not satisfied, I slid off the top panel for visible proof the fans were running. I spotted only three fans, but the software reports 8 up and running within normal ranges.

    For now, I'll trust the blowers tab on Apple's Server Monitor software.

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  73. buy a Dell Optiplex by NimNar · · Score: 1, Informative

    After years wanting a quiet PC I found a really easy way--I bought Dell Optiplex GX 270 SD. Dell has engineered the box to be quiet. It has a proprietary heatsink assembly over a Pentium IV as well as quiet Maxtor drive. I keep it on my desk and it's almost silent.

    Also, it can be had really cheap from Dell Outlet

    And you can send it back if it's too noisy--USA ONLY!!

    1. Re:buy a Dell Optiplex by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Actually, The Dell Dimension series (the home market machines) are similarly quiet. I run a 4550 P4/2.53Ghz right next to my bed and I have no trouble sleeping with it running. (No I don't use earplugs!)...

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    2. Re:buy a Dell Optiplex by mrm677 · · Score: 1

      No kidding! I use a Dell in my living area just for that very reason. They employ an army of mechanical engineers for this very reason. My wife, with her HVAC and ME degree, was actually recruited by Dell to work on quiet enclosures and cooling.

      On the other hand, the workstation in my basement is a homebuilt Athlon system that sounds like a jet engine.

  74. Hilarious by HearWa · · Score: 1

    "The number of components and accessories available to quiet a computer is overwhelming and growing daily as people become fed up with the noise from their vacuum cleaner... I mean computer!" ...OH! Now I get it. This author's really witty!

  75. If you want quiet try a CF to IDE adapter by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long it will be before solid state hard drives will be common in home Personal Computers. Are Compact Flash cards (or any card with an adapter) the start?

    I recently bought a Compact Flash to IDE adapter and just having your PC on without two whirring hard drives certainly reduces the noise level.

    Yes I know the life of a CF is limited and the capacity is still very small too, isn't the biggest one 4GB? You can get dual CF to IDE devices, so a max of 8GB is possible.

    A Nano ITX system with a dual 4GB CF to IDE and your gold!

    1. Re:If you want quiet try a CF to IDE adapter by cpghost · · Score: 1

      having your PC on without two whirring hard drives certainly reduces the noise level.

      Not very much actually. I'm using a mini-ITX fanless board (including fanless DC power spply) with a regular IDE in some places. Unless the disk is very old, you won't notice much difference anyway. You could use a 2.5" laptop disk that is even quieter, though some of them generate nasty clicks from time to time.

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  76. avoid Aluminum for quiet pc's by Scorpius-nl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Aluminum case was much noisier than my steel case, given that I have many more things in my case. Thicker materials (obviously) cut down on noise levels.
    Indeed, as said on silentpcreview, there is no reason to by aluminium, except for weight reasons:
    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article75-page2.html
    Quote:
    The Aluminum Myth - Some favor aluminum cases, citing an ability to better cool components mounted within. This is a myth. No heat producing component benefit in any significant way from being inside an aluminum case. The only heat producing devices that are normally mounted in direct contact with a case are the drives, particularly the hard drives. The difference between aluminum and steel in this cooling fuction is insignificant.
    This does not mean aluminum cases cannot be used to make a silent computer, just that there are disadvantages with them when compared to similarly constructed steel cases. Regardless, many aluminum cases certainly look nice.

    The Aluminum Drawback - One consistent acoustic property seems unavoidable: Aluminum cases tend to pick up hard drive and fan vibrations more readily than steel cases, and make a higher pitched, more audible humming or buzzing sound. This quality is directly related to the density of aluminum: It has only about 30% of the density of the cheaper, more commonly used steel. Internally applied panel damping materials (especially the heavier kinds) appear to damp the resonance down fairly effectively, but it is sometimes difficult and an added expense to eliminate entirely.

    1. Re:avoid Aluminum for quiet pc's by robinsc · · Score: 1

      I recently bought an aluminium case ( antex superlanboy and there is one component that can get quite hot ( it requires multiple fans and is in direct contact witht he case and that is the PSU itself. On anotehr note the superlanboys drives are mounted in caddys with rubber grommets to prevent vibration reaching the case.

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  77. Speaking from experience by GuaranteedQuiet · · Score: 1
    This article reaches the same conclusions I did while developing a quiet PC product.

    If you're thinking of quieting a PC, here's something to consider: Human hearing is approximately logarithmic, so reducing the sound output by half doesn't correlate to half the perceived loudness. Many people start down the road of silencing their system, only to find that it's more work than they thought. I was one of them :-)

    1. Re:Speaking from experience by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0

      For Pete's sake don't mod the parent informative. Decibels are already logarithmic, and so allow for this effect.

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  78. why not look at the source of the problem-the heat by v1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The wind tunnel machines that a few of my friends own seem to make most of their noise from the CPU fan. It's long past time for PC CPUs to get some power management in them so they don't have to be kicking out 100w of heat while you look at your desktop. I can understand needing more cooling when busy ripping MP3s or encoding video or something like that, but running the same heat when browsing a web page is silly. That would also reduce load on the PS, which should allow for the PS fan to spin down a bit. (do any PC power supplies have variable speed fans?)

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  79. Alternately by Norgus · · Score: 1

    Remove fans - thats a good idea.. right?
    I expect you can get away with it on some of the spacier cases.

  80. I only buy Seagate Hard Drives-one year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there was a correllation between quiet and long life, I'd use that as a metric during purchase. However it's not. I've just had two Maxtor DiamondMax 9's "die"*. The previous IBM DeathStars everyone already knows about. And the older WD's lasted over five years. Unfortunately the majority of the HD's out there are one year in warrenty.

    *I say "die" because one now suffers from clicking and no BIOS detection, and the other has become "picky". Well I solved my "noise" problem. My old Athlon MB died, and I replaced it with a MSI MB, and Semperon. The whole thing is so quiet (too quiet :). It will take time to get use to it.

    1. Re:I only buy Seagate Hard Drives-one year by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      Funny; the two Maxtor DiamondMax 9's my friend just bought simply don't work properly with the Intel SATA chipset he wanted to use them with. They're fine on the Promise/Via controllers on his desktop, but on the Intel and libata they throw IO errors after about 50 sectors. The two Seagates he bought with them are fine...

      A bit of research suggests these drives are prone to firmware bugs and outright failure, but of course Maxtor's site doesn't appear to mention any updates for them.. bah.

  81. Using fanless systems by cpghost · · Score: 1

    I'm using VIA EPIA 5000 boards with Eden (Via C3) processors. Completely fanless. Add to this a fanless 12 V DC-DC ATX Converter and a AC-DC 12 V 60W fanless or 100W (with a small fan that's nearly 100% silent) brick transformer and you're set.

    Such fanless systems are the most silent (and cost effective) solution, if you don't need raw horsepower. It is even more silent if you run it diskless off a NFS server; but attaching a 2.5" or regular HDD won't add much to the noise, unless the disk were *very* old.

    Another great site effect is reduced power consumption. An EPIA 5000 with 512 MB RAM, and a 2.5" HDD doesn't use more than 16 Watt or so at full load.

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  82. Move it to the next room! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I just did this, and my rig has a lot of attachments. Two 15' monitor extension cables for my dual monitors, a 15' USB and 15' Firewire extension into a combination USB/Firewire Hub that has four USB ports and two Firewire ports. Also two 25' S/PDIF Fiber optic lines, as I do audio production.

    I finally had to switch my keyboard over to USB, but I did that with a cheap adapter that works fine. The entire project cost less than $100 on Ebay... and you can hear a pin drop in here now.

  83. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by jmichaelg · · Score: 1
    It may depend on which video card you stuff in the G5.

    My sons both bought 2.5 G5's with 6800 ultra cards. One of them brought his G5 home during Christmas break and I couldn't help but think it was noisy compared to my Athlon-64. The video card makes quite a bit of noise as did mine until I swapped the fan for a waterblock. I've got a waterblock on both the cpu and the video card and a psu with a 120 mm fan. My PC may not be as pretty a rig as the G5, but it is a lot quieter.

  84. Re:why not look at the source of the problem-the h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure they're popular among enthusiasts and widely available. my cooler master aero goes from 2200 rpm (quieter than hard drive) to 3500 rpm, and does a better job cooling than most standard 5000 rpm fans because of its "blower design."

  85. Very very quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    XTeminal with the computer in the basement.

  86. Yawn by value_added · · Score: 1

    I think the majority of "the sounds of silence" articles (and comments) are from people who:

    a) can't tell the difference;
    b) are in an environment with a fair amount of ambient noise;
    c) own a single, typically underpowered system that's used only occasionally; or
    d) don't care.

    Personally, I'm sensitive to distraction and live in an area where birds chirping is usually the loudest sound to be heard. That said, I don't believe there is anything one can do to a silence a computer. Mitigate excessive noise, but silence? Hardly.

    I've swapped out single and dual case fans with better quality replacements (all rated at 20dB or less), swapped out CPU coolers with Zalman, etc. models, tried different "silent" power supplies, and a few weeks ago, bought Antec's goofy looking (albeit well-constructed) Sonata case that promised me the Sound of Silence(TM). Hell, I even built sound-proofed cabinets. All that after reading every possible article Google has indexed on the subject.

    The solution, if there is one, is either a server room (work remotely), a closet (if you can situate a desk in close enough proximity to the door), the opposite side of a wall (if the room is unused or otherwise unoccupied) or, if you don't live in a typical California home, a basement.

    And really long cables.

    Sorry, kids. High quality components are always better than shoddy ones, but all fans make noise, some drives are quieter than others but most will whine after a while, and no power supply is silent. Even modems make noise (a nice high-pitched hiss, but still a hiss). Multiply all that times 2, 3, 4, etc., and you're better off taking the dog for a walk than to spend any time or money trying to fix an unfixable situation.

    1. Re:Yawn by cpghost · · Score: 1

      The solution, if there is one, is either a server room (work remotely)

      Yes, indeed. But you'll still need a silent X-term or a diskless fanless workstation on your desk. Or a set of two KVM switches with fiber, Ethernet or RF link inbetween to connect your monitor, keyboard and mouse to the server in the basement or server room :)

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  87. Quiet Linux PC - just 3 steps by cyclocommuter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Use a motherboard with BIOS controlled fan speed controller that controls the speed of fans based on built in temperature sensors. Example - Intel's PERL line of motherboards. Bonus is that this board controls the fans both in Linux and XP. Nice to see the fan speeds going up and down using gkrellm.

    2. Install a quiet running hard drive... such as those from Seagate or Samsung.

    3. (Optional) Use a quiet CPU heat sink fan such as the Zalman 7000 series.

  88. Requisite server joke-AMD Warrenty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "3) Switch to the biggest fans you can. It takes fewer RPMs on an 80mm or 120mm fan for it to move the same amount of air as a 60mm fan. This goes for case fans AND CPU fans. Zalman makes some intriguing CPU cooling solutions that separate the fan from the heatsink, and thus use huge, slow, quiet fans. If you want to get fancy, rewire the fans so they operate on 7V or 5V input."

    Aren't the AMD warrenties void if you use some other fan/heatsink combo than stock?

    1. Re:Requisite server joke-AMD Warrenty. by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 1

      Yes, on the retail models. In that case, you should be using the included HSF combo. Of course, if you're planning on using any other HSF setup, you should be buying an OEM model anyway. Those are typically only warrantied through the seller, not AMD themselves, and then usually for 30 days.

      In short, buy the retail box if you're truly concerned about a warranty. Short of physically crushing the CPU or an electrical issue (both of which aren't covered anyway), a processor is probably the least likely component in your system to fail. Therefore, I'm not usually terribly concerned about a 30 day warranty versus a 3-year warranty, especially when the pricing on that same CPU 3 years from now will be about the same as a replacement mouse.

    2. Re:Requisite server joke-AMD Warrenty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes, on the retail models. In that case, you should be using the included HSF combo. Of course, if you're planning on using any other HSF setup, you should be buying an OEM model anyway. Those are typically only warrantied through the seller, not AMD themselves, and then usually for 30 days."

      Understood. However the shop I bought the MB, Processor, and Ram, would only sell their CPU's in a retail box. $152 for a Semperon 3000+ isn't too bad, and since I don't overclock. The stock HSF appears to be of a good quality.

    3. Re:Requisite server joke-AMD Warrenty. by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 1

      It might be, unless you purchased this a while ago or we're talking Canadian or Aussie dollars. This is a good example of why I don't do business with local shops anymore. Their prices are usually too high, and the quality of some of the components (RAM, especially) tends to be lower. It's not their fault; most people are happier with $10 less on their RAM versus a name brand and the quality associated with it.

      Outside of all of that, though, the AMD factory HSF is a fine piece of equipment, and it should work fine.

    4. Re:Requisite server joke-AMD Warrenty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry I goofed on the processor (AMD name game). It's this one. I think it's a similiar price proably because of AMD more than market pressure. He did get me on the memory and MB though.

      It all comes out in the wash I guess, because I hang onto hardware until there's s pressing need to replace it. e.g. it breaks.

  89. 24-hour periodic squeek...anybody know?? by unsinged+int · · Score: 1

    Is the problem I have with my power supply. Nobody I've talked to seems to know what it is. There have been guesses that it's the power supply's way of compensating for some resonance that has built up over that period of time. It's actually closer to 23 hours 55 minutes, so the squeek sound drifts. For a while it will be during the night when I'm asleep and I don't hear it, but then it'll drift back to waking hours and I hear it daily for a while. Does anybody know what this is?

    1. Re:24-hour periodic squeek...anybody know?? by heinousjay · · Score: 5, Funny

      It could be the start of a resonance cascade. I recommend you stash an HEV suit and a crowbar nearby, just in case.

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    2. Re:24-hour periodic squeek...anybody know?? by itwerx · · Score: 1

      24-hour periodic squeek...Is the problem I have with my power supply.
      Are you 100% sure it's the power supply? I used to have a client with some wierd off-brand RAID controller that would do a self-test every day and part of the self-test included sounding the alarm for a fraction of a second - so short it didn't sound anything at all like it did when it actually had a failure.
      Most "smart" UPSs have periodic self-test functionality as well.

    3. Re:24-hour periodic squeek...anybody know?? by unsinged+int · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure. It's either that or the hard drive, because the sound is mechanical and I know it isn't any of the fans. I built the system myself so I know exactly what's in the case. It's been an ongoing issue for about 2 years now. It doesn't seem to be hurting anything, but I would like to understand the cause.

    4. Re:24-hour periodic squeek...anybody know?? by itwerx · · Score: 1

      Could also be software that runs periodically and "chirps" when it's done doing something. Maybe even the motherboard (though so far I've only heard wierd noises from motherboards on boot). Heck, even some tape drives will reset themselves periodically - and the re-homing of the head can make a rather odd noise in some models.
      You could try doing a Google on each individual piece of hardware you have and see if anyone else has the same question (or even an answer).

  90. In Three Steps by vjmurphy · · Score: 1

    Jeff Goldblum voice:

    1. Buy a Mac Mini
    2. Plug it in
    3. There is no step three. There's no step three.

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  91. #6 by jolande · · Score: 1

    buy a Mac Mini

  92. Or you can do what I did... by Morris+Thorpe · · Score: 1

    Have children. Four boys. Under 10. If I hear my computer, I worry.

    1. Re:Or you can do what I did... by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0

      Sir, you have my sympathy. I was one of only three boys, in an 11 year span. The noise we used to make used to get on my nerves, let alone our parents'.

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  93. Fan inside(tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rebuild your box and put the fan inside the box like this guy did.

  94. Aww. c'mon! by KC7GR · · Score: 1

    Take away the fan and disk noises, and what do you have left to fall asleep to?!

    Fan noise is one of the best sedatives I know of, and it's non-addictive...

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  95. or you could just buy a Mac mini by chrism238 · · Score: 1

    ... and solve many other problems at the same time, too.

  96. Before you start replacing fans ... by lintux · · Score: 1
    Recently it seems to be possible to control some of the fans from software. My mainboard is 3 yrs old already (MSI K7TPro2 or something?) and it supports it.

    Here's the trick:
    ruby~$ cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/device/0-002d/fan1_pw m
    8
    Writing a different number to that file changes the fan speed. So I wrote a small Perl script that keeps the number low, until the CPU temperature goes up under heavy load. Pretty cool, I must say.

    Oh yes, the stuff above works with Linux 2.6 kernels, but it should be possible with 2.4 too. See FreshMeat, there's a little script there that does the same thing, on 2.4.
  97. clearly no knowledge on silent computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.silentpcreview.com//

    Please do not follow the recommendations in the article. Visit the above link for an overview of better parts than this article recommends.

  98. foam rubber warning by J05H · · Score: 1

    one of my buddies likes to play hacker. He has glued little strips of black foam rubber all over the insides of several PCs and his Mac. Even hotglued some of the foam on the metal face of a harddrive. It definitely made the machine quieter, right before the drive and PSU died.

    8)

    Josh

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  99. RTFA before you post nimrod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    BTW, you didn't even have to RTFA, you just had to RTF summary. I can't get to the article, but the summary says the steps are inexpensive,

    how nice, dipwad. well I did RTFA and the steps add a hundred or more dollars: replacing fans, buying fan controllers...

  100. For all the Zalman fans by lintux · · Score: 1

    Or at least the ones who have the same model as I, the one with the heatsink shaped a bit like this: \\|//. (7000Cu?)

    Clean the thing up a bit from time to time. I got mine for over two years, but today I used the vacuum cleaner to get rid of the dust that got between the plates. Looks like I should've done that before, because now it keeps the CPU at the same temperature with the fan set at less than half the speed. Pretty cool, if you ask me.

  101. Step 3 by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
    Try turning the volume down.

    Simple and inexpensive, yet many people overlook this option!

    1. Re:step 3 by ANeufeld · · Score: 1

      Profit!!!

  102. Re:why not look at the source of the problem-the h by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 1

    It's long past time for PC CPUs to get some power management in them so they don't have to be kicking out 100w of heat while you look at your desktop.

    It's called AMD PowerNOW!. Current Linux distros (like 64-bit Fedora Core 3) enable it automagically. Athlon 64 CPUs have had it for over a year, plus the current 90nm A64's burn about HALF the power of Intel's 90nm P4 blast furnaces. AMD chips are very easy to keep cool with a low-speed fan.

    Most good power supplies have temperature-controlled fans. Seasonic's new S12 series of high-efficiency power supplies with 120mm fans are my current favorite. Newegg has them. High efficiency means less waste heat. If you want something cheaper the older Seasonics are excellent too.

  103. ample ventilation != good ventilation by Sebastopol · · Score: 2, Informative

    common misconception about more == better: an open air platform has worse thermal characteristics than a properly designed chassis with the fewer # of fans. In other words, just because your chassis has big vents in it doesn't mean it will cool well. You need a well designed chassis that channels the fan's efforts to move air over the parts. UNfortunately, custom OEM chassis will always outperform generic chassis b/c they can taylor the internal plastic fittings to most efficiently move air with fewer fans.

    Case and point: (no pun intended): I have a Dell inspiron from a year or two ago that has one fan and a molded plastic insert. It is essentially silent at 2.6GHz when playing WarCraft. Just before buying the dell I spent a fortune on a silent supply, funky fans, zallman heatsink and an aluminim chasssis, and with the exact same component configuration as the dell, it is easily 5x louder (subjectively) playing the same game.

    based on this, and experience in a chipset validation lab, i think it is smarter to buy an intelligently designed OEM system if you truly want a quiet PC.

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    1. Re:ample ventilation != good ventilation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Case and point: (no pun intended)

      That's 'case IN point', smartass.

    2. Re:ample ventilation != good ventilation by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      Thanks dillhole. I didn't know I've been saying it wrong. More info:

      http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-cas1.htm

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  104. Simple no-noise PC by Dolda2000 · · Score: 1
    Step 1: Get the PC out of your room.

    Yeah, really -- get the actual 'puter out of your room, rig some ethernet, set up XDMCP and get a thin client (such as a PXE-booting fanless Mini-ITX running an X terminal). Then enjoy the sound of complete silence.

    Sure, it won't work for gamers, but it ought to be fine for most other purposes.

  105. Two words by the_rev_matt · · Score: 1
    Mac mini.

    I've been chasing the elusive "quiet PC" for five years. I've bought "silent" power supplies , sound damping material, "silent" hard drive enclosures, and have had no luck. Sure, I reduced noise dramatically, but it was not eliminated completely.

    The mini has more power than my last x86 box (Athlon XP 2400, 1G RAM) and makes just slightly more noise than my linksys router. I have to put my ear right next to it to hear anything at all.

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    1. Re:Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PC THEY SAID QUIETER PC SHUT UP YOU FUCKING MAC HEAD

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    2. Re:Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you're running a Mac, chances are most of the noise comes from friction between the penis and the rectum.
      Huh? I don't get it.
  106. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by micromuncher · · Score: 1

    Well I have to disagree here. I have a Mac Cube. The only discernable sound is putting a cd/dvd in and listening to the head seek.

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  107. CPU fan noise by IceFox · · Score: 1

    ONe thing that I recently discovered was just how hard it was to find a quiet cpu fan. The reviews are very quickly out of date. Lukily I found that on newegg.com you can search the cpu fans on noise level.

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    Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
  108. A far better site by guzzler69 · · Score: 1

    If you really want to learn about quieting a PC down, go read The Silent PC.

  109. Step 1: by longbot · · Score: 1

    Get so used to the damn noise that you can't sleep without hearing it. Step 2: Sleep well.

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  110. Quietest PC case EVER by creative_Righter · · Score: 1
    If any of you are building your own systems I must wholeheartedly recommend the Antec Sonata PC case. It comes with a single fan 380 power supply that is quieter than a whisper. Everything is mounted with rubber to prevent rattles. The loudest it gets is when I fire up my machine and my sata hard disk and it starts whirring up.

    It's also a well designed case with firewire, usb and audio connections ports in the front, lockable drive bay doors and a sleek design. It also has a washable air filter. It's much better than fixing a loud PC case. As always prevention is better than the cure.
    http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID= 15138

    1. Re:Quietest PC case EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has to be the quietest case ever... But try to justify the $1300 (US) for it!! Eep!

    2. Re:Quietest PC case EVER by kasek · · Score: 1

      i agree...i took my brothers noisemaker and put it in a Sonata case, and the noise difference was amazing.

    3. Re:Quietest PC case EVER by Ratbert42 · · Score: 1

      Ditto on the Antec Sonata. I built my new box with one and sometimes I think it's off when it's not. It's much quieter than my old machine, which has some quiet 80mm fans.

      The loudest thing by far is the fan on the video card. Still looking to replace the heatsink combo on that.

  111. Cheap method... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn up the speakers!

  112. Sound of Silence by mtec · · Score: 2, Funny

    (apologies in advance)

    Hello iMac, my old friend
    I've come to talk with you again
    Because a vision softly creeping
    Left its seeds while I was sleeping
    My PC, noisy fans ring in my brain
    And still remain
    Outside the sound of silence

    In restless dreams I walked alone
    And tried to hear who's on the phone
    Despite the frequencies of heat exhaust
    I closed my door to try to mute and damp
    When my ears were stabbed by the sound of a bearing fail
    there lies the tale...
    the fan was seized, and silent.

    --- shut-up! I'll stop! I'll stop!

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  113. 100% Silence is very easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a Very Very Long Monitor Cable, well shielded for about £12 and two very very long PS/2 cables for my wireless keyboard and mouse.
    My Computer is in the Hall cupboard fans whirring, of this I am blissfully unaware as I type this - the only sounds the tapping of keys and the faint click of my mouse.
    P.S. I also have a VIA EPIA fanless board in the same room as me - it makes no noise and my cats like to sit on the heatsink and warm themselves.

  114. Re:step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Dress up as a librarian"?

    WTF? Do you mean "wear clothes", or what?

  115. Re:Do it in one step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The moderation system is there for the reader. The reader doesn't care about when a redundant post was made. It's still redundant.

    The karma system OTOH... Jeez. Don't get me started.

  116. Horrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was almost completely unreadable due to the background. Wasn't worth the trouble of trying to read it.

    The website ought to learn about contrast and readability.

  117. Step 6 by koreaman · · Score: 1

    Get an ATI graphics card instead of an NVIDIA.

  118. The first thing to do by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    is rip out that friggin WD hard drive and chunk it. I have a WD120 that sounds like an A10 Warthog going vertical.

    I've installed Maxtor 120's and 200's in other people's machines and you can't hear them running. The first few that I put in I had to pick them up to feel them "gyro" to be sure they were running.

    I will never again buy a Western Digital, ever.
    I always warn people away from them too..

    A screaming hard drive is almost impossible to silence. And yes, I tried hdparm but that only is supposed to reduce r/w head movemnet noise, not spindle bearing noise.
    I guess WD likes dry bearings, that way people are always reminded of their WD drive spinning away in their PC..

  119. It's his own site by V.+Mole · · Score: 1

    Not if your goal is to increase your own site traffic. Note that the link for the article is the same as the link for the submitter.

  120. Re:step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It takes you 28 minutes to clean up?

  121. put the crack pipe *down* by hawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Very slowly. Try withdrawal.

    Read what you just said.

    There is *NO SUCH THING* as a "dell fanboy", for the very simple reason that noone actually *likes* dells.

    Dell is like walmart. You hate the place, but keep going back due to the lower price.

    Of course, when you compare a similarly decked out system, they aren't really cheaper than macs--especially once you factor in the longer service life of a mac.

    hawk, typing away on one of the university dells he hates

  122. The expensive way to silence a case by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative
    My machine was driving me nuts. So I've steadily been quieting it down. Here's what I did.

    • A Zalman Silent 400W Power Supply helped a lot and only emits about 20db of noise. Still not silent enough for me so I'm going to get something like a SilentMaxx Semi-Fanless 450W soon.
    • I replaced my case fans with Papst 8412 NGL fans which only emit 12db; basically silent. I tried one of the PC Power and Cooling Silencer units and it's a fine power supply but still pretty noisy.
    • I put some new rubber feet I picked up from Home Dept (about $3 each) which are normally used for door stops to help dampen case vibrations.
    • I switched over the 7200 RPM Seagate hard drives from the 10000RPM Maxtor/IBMs I was using. The old drives were fine but rather noisy.
    • I replaced my graphics card fan with a Zalman Heat Pipe system which emits no noise at all.
    • I picked up these hard drive coolers with rubber shock absorbers from CompUSA which further helps dampen case vibration, and helps keepd the drive quieter. My case uses drive rails and I had to drill an extra hole in the drive rails to make them compatible.
    • I also installed this Anti Noise Kit from CompUSA. One caution is keep at least one screw from the case touching both the power supply and the case with no padding. Helps keep a ground between the power supply and the case.
    • I also bought some rounded cables (yes I'm aware of the crosstalk issues but they haven't been a problem) which helps cooling. I got some cable wraps and zip ties to keep the cables bundled and out of the air flow as much as possible.
    • Installed a HUGE Thermalright SLK800 heat sink with a Pabst fan (above) to keep the processor cool and silent. This actually dropped by processor temp by several degrees in addition to being quiter.
    • I installed Melamine foam from Home Depot throughout the case to dampen noise.


    End result? Nearly silent. Quieter than my thinkpad laptop which doesn't make much noise. I still want a quieter power supply fan though I'm reasonably satisfied with the one I have. Basically anything rated at over 20db is too loud by my standards. Yes, many people will tell you you can hear it and that's true if you are 10+ feet away or have damaged hearing from too much loud music. :-) Right near the unit however you can hear it just fine and case vibrations will often amplify sounds.

    Obviously if you want a machine with super high performance, you may need better cooling that I do and better cooling usually equals more noise. My machine is a linux file/print server so I'm not looking for maximal performance, though I do have a SCSI drive system in it. Make sure you keep the air pathways clear if you use the fans I recommend because they don't blow a lot of air. Don't block any ventilation though you can use air filters if you feel the need. Every so often get a can of compressed air and blow out any dust in the system which will help with the cooling.
  123. well, it sounds like . . . by hawk · · Score: 1

    OK, I've got it.

    You've identified your own problem.

    There *should* be more noise from your fans. You've eliminated so much fan noise that your drives are dying. :)

    hawk

  124. The HeatsSync Case by A-Tech Fab by vmardian · · Score: 1

    This is what you need to start out with...

    http://www.atechfabrication.com/products/heatsyn c_ 6000.htm

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  125. No fan is quiet. Get one of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought one last summer. I should have done it years ago. It is on 24/7, with frequent 100% CPU periods. No failures, no sound...

    http://www.deltatronic.de/int/soundless_pc.html

  126. its easy by minshrine · · Score: 1

    I just bought a Mini Mac..It is so quiet that i thought it wasn't on when i first bought it having just switched from a loud custom built comuputer i can tell you that it was pretty nice suprise! Now that is did it in one step!

  127. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by grahamlee · · Score: 1

    I actually found ten fans, but I think two of them are on the PSU and aren't under environmental control hence not appearing in the server monitor. There's a huge row of fans running along the width of the machine. They're quite small so get very whiney if you ever ramp them up - boot the machine in target disk mode if you want to know pain ;-)

  128. I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by raresilk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    extensively over the past few years. I'm taking the trouble to rant a bit about what others have said, as well as post a summary of my own research and experimentation, because every time I read a thread anywhere about this subject, I see the same ol' same ol', most of it misinformed or plain wrong. (For background, my household has a G4 silver MAC, a parts-built PC running Windows, a parts-built PC running Linux, and a G4 Titanium powerbook.)

    RANTS:

    1. "Silent PC" Is Not a Fetish.
    There are practical reasons why some of us demand silence from a computer. The one that drives me is the fact that I use my computer(s) to record audio. Short of building a separate room to house the computer (which causes insane problems with ventilation, video/kb/mouse cables, etc.), you simply have to get it silent for a professional-quality recording. Another reason is home theater, which I believe was mentioned in the article. I really don't understand why people who couldn't care less how much noise their computer emits (like people who run server rooms) continually post in these threads. We silent freaks are aware there are lots of people who have no reason to care about dBs. That's why it's so hard to find parts to build a truly silent PC. I don't give a flip about overclocking - do I go around posting "you overclockers are kooky" in every thread on overclocking on Ars or Tom's or Anand's? Jeez.

    2. Fans Equal Noise. Period.
    There is no way around this. If you have fans anywhere in your computer, your computer will not be silent. It may be marginally quieter with some fans than others, but fans move air around and turn on a shaft, and both of those things are impossible to silence. Quieten, yes. Silence, no. And I have tried a number of supposedly "quiet PC" fans, including CPU fans. Rheostats are commonly put forward as a solution to the noise problem. They're not, at least for me, because turning fans down with a rheostat is only feasible when the computer is not working hard. But even single-channel audio recording is processor-intensive, and when you add effects processing or additional channels, booyah! Turn down the fans to the point where they are quiet enough for audio recording and you will lock up due to heat, and I am speaking from experience here. Moreover, turned-down fans are still not silent, and quiet enough is still not professional-quality. The same would be true for a home theater installation - encoding/decoding makes heat. The same is true for mobo-automated fan turndown. It turns straight up right when the computer needs to be quiet, for the same reason. (One post mentioned that the Mac iServe has three virtually-silent fans. If this is true, I would love to get ahold of such fans without paying $4K for an iServe. But every other product I've heard described as "virtually silent" -- e.g., power supplies -- always made noise. Fan noise. Because fans equal noise. So I'm skeptical. The Mac Mini was mentioned also, but is insufficient in processing power/ram to run my studio.) Also, contrary to the article, more fans at a slower speed are not quieter. Theoretically, perhaps, but not to the real human ear.

    3. "Quiet Cases" Are Useless.
    This applies both to cases made of heavy material specifically designed to be quiet, and insulation foam that you paste inside the case. Tried em, dumped em. I should have recognized in advance that heavier and/or insulated cases substantially decrease heat dissipation through the case, which means -- that's right -- more and faster FANS, and fans equal noise. Anything you gain by putting your computer guts in an insulated fortress, you will lose by the whining RPMs tacked onto your CPU and vidcard fans, and incidentally, your kewl mobo-controlled or power-supply controlled fans will crank up to high RPMs as well. It's worse than a wash - it's actually noisier. Learned it the hard way.

    4. Most Water-cooling Is Probably Useless.
    I say "probably" because I h

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    1. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're way out of line on the watercooling thing.
      Firstly there ARE such a thing as watercooled power supplys, both commercially and homebrew.

      Second with a decent size radiator keeping things at room temp is no problem even without using fans.

      Do some more research before spouting bullshit as fact.

    2. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gah...it's not called an "iServe", it's an Xserve.

      Other than that interesting.

    3. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously your idea of quiet is much quieter than most people's, or you are trolling (quiet iServe, wtf?). A Zalman pc fan + psu combination is very quiet. My air conditioner drowns it out by quite a bit. And the XServe is incredibly loud- it's a server.

    4. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by number · · Score: 1

      er, you know a passive system isn't silent by your definition either - you still have air circulating because of convection from heat! and that air movement does make noise.

      the folks at silentpcreview.com have a better method for defining silence - if your computer operates at or below your ambient noise level, then guess what - it's silent. i say this because whether it's turned on or off, the ambient noise level you perceive doesn't change.

      silentpcreview's founder, mike chin, has access to a lab (in which he performs his reviews) with ambient noise levels below 15 dBA, and yes he has computers (with fans!) that operate at that noise level. he knows this, because his bruel & kjaer 2203 sound meter can get useful dBA readings down to 10 dBA (tested in anechoic chamber). if you've spent enough to get your recording environment down to 10 dBA ambient levels, you've wasted your money, because no electronic recording system can make use of such a ridiculously low noise-floor.

      anyway, yes there are fans that are for these purposes silent, and we use them all the time. undervolt a yate loon d12sl-12 or globe S1202512L to 4 or 5 volts and they'll barely crack 15 dBA at 1 metre. if that's too loud for you, i'm wondering what kind of hard drives you use as they'll make more noise than that without being put behind a brick wall.

      anyway, i'm sure you'd enjoy the silentpcreview.com articles and forums, and even though you claim to be a silent computing fan, i guarantee you'll be surprised at the lengths some of us have gone to in the name of silencing.

    5. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are PCs with a Power brick as the power supply so No fans on that. They're good for 150 watts and used in the Shuttle Zen PC. Coupled with that Resarator and I think you've got complete (well almost -since the HD drive is still scratching around) silence.

    6. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "5. Macs Are Not Silent."

      The later iterations of the G3 iMac were fanless. The only audible noise was from the voice coil in the hard drive, and I've heard people who breathe louder.

      I've found the simplest solution to noise is to put the computer in front of an airconditioning outlet (you do have seperate vents for your equipment racks, right?) so the fans always run at low speed. Not perfectly silent, true, but barely noticeable over the vent noise. Of course, it's much easier to avoid recording fan noise by simply not recording in the control room...

    7. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by raresilk · · Score: 1

      The advice of both replies is greatly appreciated. I have not seen either yate loon or globe on any of my usual vendor sites, so I will search for them. Re: temps creeping up on the Reserator, could that possibly be related to using different waterblocks and tubing than it's spec'd for? Just wondering - the system water volume could go up or down which could affect cooling.

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    8. Re:I've looked into the "silent PC" issue . . . by raresilk · · Score: 1
      Rant warning:

      Not to drive this into the ground but . . . "air conditioning?" Yes, I have air conditioning. No, it's not running when I am doing audio recording. Yes, it would probably keep the computer cool. But it would make MORE noise than the computer. Also, if I were a multimillion dollar studio with a separate control room, I would not be cringing to pay $4000 for an Xserve, iServe, whatever, to see if it is quieter than my homebrew gear.

      PS - my rack gear actually is "silent" by the definition I would use, which is "can I hear them in a recording or see their obvious fingerprint in a silence section." Also by the definition used by others "I have to look at the front panel to see if they're on." Proteus 2000, MOTU 828, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha P20000 keyboard, if you're curious.

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  129. And get a silent chair too by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    And get a silent chair too if you don't want yer wife to chatch you red handed!

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  130. why does he say macs are expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People just don't believe Macs are as cheap. If you go to the Apple Store and choose one of the first imacs you run into you get:

    $1,299.00
    17-inch widescreen LCD
    1.6GHz PowerPC G5
    533MHz frontside bus
    256MB DDR400 SDRAM
    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    64MB DDR video memory
    80GB Serial ATA hard drive
    Slot-load Combo Drive

    Then you go to the Dell site and spend the same amount of money and it certainly seems like you are getting more:

    17 inch Digital Flat Panel
    P4 540 HT 3.20GHz, 800 FSB
    512MB DC DDR2 SDRAM at 400MHz 2x256M
    256MB nVidia GeForce 6800
    160GB SATA
    Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/dbl layer write

    It just *sounds* like you get a lot more for the money with the Dell.

    1. Re:why does he say macs are expensive? by GiMP · · Score: 1

      I don't think it is fair to compare a small form-factor machine like the new iMacs to a gigantic beast like a typical Dell.

      A better comparison may be made of the laptops, which are more similar.

    2. Re:why does he say macs are expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It just *sounds* like you get a lot more for the money with the Dell.

      Hmmm, not sure if you are being sarcastic, but with the Dell you get twice the memory, twice the hard-drive space, four times the video card memory (on a much better card to boot), and an extra dvd drive!

      It doesn't just *sound* like you're getting more, you *are* getting more.

    3. Re:why does he say macs are expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? If you go with the "beast" form-factor Mac, it gets even more expensive. (counter-intutively)

  131. Cheap, fast, easy by ikeleib · · Score: 1

    Go to your hardware store and buy some carpet padding. They may have scraps, which they may give to your for free. Use hot-glue to glue them on exposed parts of the inside of your case. Don't do it such that it obstructs airflow, but liberally plaster everywhere. If you're feeling really adventurous, make a muffler out of cardboard and carpet padding.

  132. it's the pentium 4 by oneishy · · Score: 1

    A good friend recently purchased a 15" sony laptop. When asking the sales droid at best buy why it was so heavy, he got the responce "woah man, that's because it has the PENTIUM 4"... needless to say the laptop is both way to heavy, way to thick, and way to noisy. I have a 17" powerbook, and it's silent except when under heavy cpu usage. Yet even when my friends laptop is on and idle, it sounds like a turbine, and is kicking out some serious hot air.

    So we always give him a hard time saying "It's the PENTIUM 4".

    The moral of the story is buy anything mac if you want silent... or buy a PENTIUM 4!

  133. Mod parent up by PalmMP3 · · Score: 1

    This one made me chuckle.

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  134. Unfortunate but there really is no cheap easy way by soundproofing.noise · · Score: 0
    We did some consult for a large PC manufacturer and the suggestion that were made required more expense than was feasible.

    Basically lots of acoustic absorbtion materials adds to size and weight (they didn't want to go there).

    special air flow ducting system(adds alot to size and made manufacturing/assembly more expensive)

    removal of the moving parts (would require cooler/efficient power supplys and processors, that add to expense)

    Basically manufacturers are not looking at making PC's quieter due to diminished return on investment as it's not really a selling point.

    The simplest way to get a quiet PC is to buy an epia fanless system and use flash disk instead of HD and have a server/cruncher under the stairs. Alternativly spend lots of time and effort sealing and padding out your case with acoustic damping materials and ducting the fans correctly and end up with something worse than the epia.

    I know what option I would take unless I really needed to have a more powerful PC.

  135. One step Version by looneyboy784 · · Score: 1

    Step One: throw power bill in trash. (note this may take some time to work but once it does it will also save you alot of money .

  136. Re:Step 1: Buy a Mac by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

    There are eight. That's why you don't hear them.

    If there are more fans, they can run at a lower speed individually, and thus generate less noise.

  137. Mysteriously missing: CRT scream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know, not everybody can hear 20khz scream from the CRT, but I can.
    LCD / TFT screens eliminate this problem.

  138. Hey I have twelve sets by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    January, February,.....

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  139. In the Closet. . . and Active Noise Reduction. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Buzzing, high pitch whines, etc., etc. . .

    The easiest solution which anybody can implement immediately is to get up and move some furniture around. It'll take an hour of huffing and puffing and dust-bunny hunting, but in the end, it's well worth the effort.

    I've been fortunate enough to be able to organize my work spaces over the last few years so that the computer desk is always next to a closet. The computer stays in the closet with cables coming out to plug into all the various components. (Also, I use an LCD thinscreen rather than a CRT. CRT's are horrid, horrid devices, and anybody who hasn't replaced theirs has only themselves to blame for their misery! If you can afford to run a computer, then you can also save up and spend $300 on an LCD monitor!) Anyway, with the computer behind a closed door, the noise level is cut by about one half to two-thirds, I find. Insulating the inside of the closet with a blanket helps even further. When I want to change a disk, I reach over, open closet door and pop the disk. It's a little more effort, but I don't even think about it these days. The payoff in reduced mental fatigue due to sound pollution is well worth the effort. I find these days when I visit other people's work spaces, I am amazed by the level of noise they put up with.

    To further reduce the annoyance factor, I hope to get a fanless power supply next time I build a computer. (Another $300 or so.)

    But. . . I keep thinking that it should be possible to build an active noise reduction device which simply broadcasts a waveform opposite to that being produced by the computer. Why not? Computer hum is a very regular noise which should be relatively easy to cancel. . . (Or not.)

    Another option is a set of noise cancellation headphones. Put 'em on, flip the on-switch, and you are in blissful quiet. --And you can also play music through them. (But then how would you know when the office phone rings. . ?) Hm.

    Just some thoughts.


    -FL

  140. Turn your fans down! by stu9000 · · Score: 1

    The number one easiest, cheapest way to quieten your PC is to turn to the speed of all your fans down. Most fans in you PC can run at half their full speed without drastically upping the temperature. Especially noisy are the little fans on video cards and the Northbridge chips. I have soldered little potentiometers to these suckers to dial them down. My system is running in a pretty hot climate here in Australia and I've got it down to below Mac G5 levels of quietness - with out spending much and it's still within safe operating temperatures. It makes all the difference to me. Of course if you can get rid of those little fans and replace them with heatsinks or heat-pipe coolers - all the better. Those things are not that expensive and they make a big difference. Zalmann makes a great little 'Fanmate' controller that I use to turn down all my fans (except the PSU where I have an auto speed one). Turn those suckers down!

  141. Obligatory by grolschie · · Score: 1

    step 1: turn computer off
    step 2: get a job
    step 3: ????
    step 4: profit!!!

  142. Re:why not look at the source of the problem-the h by evilviper · · Score: 1
    It's long past time for PC CPUs to get some power management in them so they don't have to be kicking out 100w of heat while you look at your desktop.

    You're right, it's long past time... They've been doing that since practically the very beginning of the CPU.

    A Pentium1/2/3/4 used a tiny fraction as much power when it is idle, than it does when maxed-out.

    AMD is the one who's screwed everything up. All Athlons, XPs, etc., require the S2K bs disconnect setting or else they won't respond to HLT instructions. S2K has been implimented by a small fraction of mobo makers, because it badly screws a lot of things up. AMD is FINALLY reqiring motherboard makers to impliment S2K, but the KT600-based Asus mobo I bought does a horrible job, and it's S2K functionality barely does anything... Running fvcool on that motherboard made a huge difference (though the chipset uses so much power that I was using less power on a motherboard without S2K, that fvcool doesn't work on).

    Everyone with an AMD system should be running fvcool (Linux/BSD), or vcool (Windows). You'll see huge power savings, and major drops in tempurature, unless your motherboard isn't supported, as some of mine aren't...

    I wrote an entire journal entry about this, because there seems to be a serious lack of knowledge out there (as you have demonstrated)

    http://slashdot.org/~evilviper/journal/70512
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  143. Obvious Step 6: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    350 replies and I can't believe nobody has come up with this one:

    6) PROFIT!

  144. Graphics Cards by Kris_J · · Score: 1

    I found it cheaper to "upgrade" from a geForce3 ti200 to an FX 5200 that had no fan than to try and retro-fit a big passive heatsink to the 3ti.

  145. hole in wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a music studio that uses PC's. The PC's are in the next room. There's a hole in the wall for cables. Problem solved.

  146. Please don't listen to this idiot... by evilviper · · Score: 1

    This guy both vastly oversimilfies the situation, and gives horrible advice.

    Don't even dream of replacing ball-bearing fans with sleeve-bearing fans. They don't just "fail sooner" they fail a hell of a lot sooner. You'll be replacing your sleeve-bearing fans every month too keep them quiet, because when they're near to failing, they go into a banshee-mode that makes more noise than loudest ball-bearing fans I've ever heard... Not to mention your computer is very, very likely going to overheat because of them A) generally moving less air & B) actually STOPING suddenly, not just getting noisy like ball-bearing fans.

    When you are looking for fans, look up the CFM rating to see how much airflow you can expect, and the MTBF to see how long it's likely to last. dB rating is important too, if they have it.

    He even left out the two MOST IMPORTANT things for silencing your system.

    1) Get a heatsink where the fins are as far apart as possible. These cheap-o heatsinks with ultra-dense fins make an insane ammount of noise, and require a VASTLY faster airflow to get the same ammount of cooling. Your heatsink should perferably be very large (60-80mm), with a copper base/insert. I would recomend one like the ThermalRight ALX-800, or perhaps a ThermalTake Volcano 9 (with a different fan).

    2) Use variable speed fans. This is the only way to make sure your system doesn't get vastly overheated, while still reducing noise to as low a level as possible. I recomend the Enermax 80mm fans, which are nearly the same as those used in Enermax power supplies, and are $2.50 each (including S+H) in quantities of 10 from newegg.

    Of course there are tempurature-controlled 120mm fans as well.

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  147. One step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Buy a Mac Mini. Problem solved.

  148. Replace it by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Probably bite the bullet and get a new one. Sounds like you have a real UPS and not the SPSes that most people have. Most UPSes really aren't. They run you on line power normally, however if it fails, they quickly cut to battery. The change over is fast enough that nothing should ever lose power, since all your devices are going to have some kind of capacitor bank to deal with temporary power sags.

    Now real UPSes don't do that, they convert line voltage to DC, feed that to their battery bank, and then take DC off the batteries and convert it back to AC for your devices. That produces a more reliable output, meaning that it never drops even fora moment, and also functions to get rid of line noise and fluctaions. Problem is it's harder on the battries, MUCH less power efficient, and often you get a hum from the transformer, which sounds like what is happening to you.

    So unless your UPS is large enough that replacing it would be really expensive enough, or you work in a specialized environment that demands such a thing, I'd bite the bullet and drop the money for a new one. Sam's Club usually has APC UPSes around 1100va for like $120 or so. Should be enough to deal with any home system, even a fairly beefy one, for long enough to shutdown gracefully. It is one of the switched varities that normally runs you on line power, and so generates no noise and almost no heat in normal operation. It does hum when the power dies, but that's ok, because it beeps loudly to get your attention too.

  149. Or just newer drives in general by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I think every drive I've ever bought has been noticably quieter than the one it replaced. Perhaps that's because they are getting better at making them quiter, perhaps that's because they are less worn than the old ones. Either way, if your harddrive is 2+ years old and seems loud, consider replacing it with a new one.

  150. Check cooling too by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Harddrive failuers increase exponentially with temperature. Some cases, and specificly the way some people set things up in a case do not provide adiquate cooling. The best idea is to get a case that has an 80mm fan mount of the HD bay. Put 2 HDs in with a space in the middle. The fan will generally keep them cool to the touch which is cooler than they run in most systems.

  151. Fans are inherently bad design by incog8723 · · Score: 1

    IMNSHO, heatsinks are a better design. They do not fail. There is less dust flowing around them. Fans have an MTBF and heatsinks do not. If you have a quiet fan, you'll never even know when it kicks the bucket. Think of a Marshall Amp with 1000 Watts flowing through it. If you've ever seen the heatsinks in those, you'll know what I mean.

    Just my two cents.

  152. Re:The [in]expensive way to silence a case by weighn · · Score: 1
    I had an old case which was in its 3rd incarnation (new CPU, mobo). Of course, the prescott cpu had the barely adequate (60mm) case fan spinning like crazy.

    Solution: an Antec Sonata case.

    The good thing about this is that it comes fairly complete: Quiet PSU with silicon mounting, 120mm case fan, rubber grommets for HDD mounting.

    It's up to you if you want to add a quieter cpu fan (the intel one isn't too load for me) or another case fan (shouldn't be needed unless you're overclocking or running a bunch of HDD's).

    Now I can listen/watch/etc with no intrusive whirring :)

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  153. Uh huh. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Yeah, a Dell PowerEdge 1750 is no treat to use up close and personal. On the other hand, a Precision 670 (well hell _any_ precision) is damn quiet. Even with a Quadro GFX card. And the Optiplex GX270 is silent. I swear to you I keep accidentally turning them OFF when I thought I was turning them on.

    I really don't know what kind of shitty Dells you guys have to deal with but I feel sorry for you.

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  154. This is all very well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So long as you remember to next time to just buy a quiet machine in the first place

  155. The quietest computer.... by dotgod · · Score: 1

    Just stick the thing in the room next to yours and poke holes through the wall for the keyboard, mouse, and monitor wires.

  156. Agony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got an Athlon 2600 with two AMD fans, and it's so agonisingly loud that I use my wife's PC whenever I can (despite its WinXP-ery) because mine gives me a headache.

  157. Two words: by Rod+Beauvex · · Score: 1

    Water. Cooling. Water Cooling has come way down in price, and they're becoming much easier to install.

  158. Quieter PC tips for nerds by Rwilson500 · · Score: 1

    1. It may be cool looking but having a cold fusion reactor for a power supply can be kind of noisy. 2. You do not need 1000kW fans to keep it cool. 3. Do you really need that 900,000rpm hard drive? 4. Stop reading /. and go outside. 5. There is no tip 5.

  159. Cheap fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fill a flat-bottomed plastic bottle with water, stick it in the freezer. When you have a huge chunk of self-contained ice, sit it on top of your CPU :)

    Alternatively: submerge PC in nonconductive liquid and seal case. Submerge case in shaved ice.

  160. Zalman Reserators by KlausBreuer · · Score: 1

    Well, they're not terribly cheap, but very silent indeed. I now actually have to look at my PC to see if it's turned on :)

    OTOH, it has two disadvantages:

    a) It comes with non-standard piping. Meaning you have to replace the pipes if you want to use serious water-cooling for your GPU (and you do). The thingy you can buy from them doesn't cut it.

    b) One tower is not enough. It'll do fine for a few hours, but the water temperature slowly creeps up over time.
    Thus I'm getting a second tower to put in series, which should be enough - not too cheap, though.

    On the whole, I'd recommend it if you're looking for a silent PC.

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  161. Just compute down the performance curve by majid_aldo · · Score: 1

    There will always be a conflict between performance and noise. Notice how current 'quiet pcs' and laptops are on the low end.

    basically two ways to do it.

    - use a special low energy processor eg. My pocket pc is 400mhz but it's a 'new' 400mhz processor. and it performs in the heat and within the confined space of my PDA.
    - underclock a performance processor

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