Sarge will ship with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 kernels. All have been patches with security and other patches so the 2.4.x kernel is not really out of date.
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Sarge is Now Frozen
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I think people expect more out of open-source projects. Since you can, in theory, have many many times the manpower of a corporation that thrives on closed-source development (such as Microsoft)
Do know know what the resources of Microsoft even are? 40 billion/year buys you a lot of developers, *full time*. 40 billion/200k (counting overhead, etc..), gets you about 200,000 developers. This is much more than Debian - about 900 part time, plus another 50,000 part time for upstream (guesstimating). Very few full time developers in Debian or upstream.
Most people working for Debian or have software packaged in Debian are not writing it for money. Money is a big motivation factor especially since you need it to live.
The *resources* of Microsoft dwarf Debian, Redhat and Suse combined. Sorry, but that's reality.
By this, I mean that the process of evolution is a thinking intelligent process. Or to state it another way: Evolution is intelligent.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Evolution happens though random mutations and need. If you look in geological records you will find that evolution always progresses fastest when there is some kind of a disaster. How? Because some mutations are more suitable for new conditions and thus are able to push other subspecies to extinction.
This is how homo-sapien survived and other subspecies of man did not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_(genus). Nature is always about competition for food. Mutations that secure more food survive. Other mutations die out. This is "natural selection" and it is *the* fundamental part of evolution.
Neanderthals couldn't talk, we could. We survived. Natural selection time? Last ice age.
The problem is that each service requires a separate individualized configuration syntax;... Next time you need to figure out the runlevel or S and K order of a System V style rc script, or figure out how to to configure rc.conf on FreeBSD vs OpenBSD style rc.conf, tell me how easy and beneficial the UNIX way is.
It is not ideal, but at least I have to read the manpages to configure things. Going from SysV to rc.conf style (or vice-versa) can be confusing, but I always found it easier to understand than trying to figure out where things are in the things like MMC (the microsoft control for Windows servers).
Uniform configuration does not always lead to less confusion. For example, if I want to change something in cron, I do not want or need to look at the manual that deals with init scripts.
A major advantage in the UNIX world is that there are many different crons, MTAs, and inetds. If I don't like one (bugs, features, whatever), I can substitute it with something I like. If the system is running launched, well, I can't replace it with anything. For example, I am running openbsd-inetd on Debian because it supports IPv6 while the inetutils-inetd doesn't.
The bottom line is utilities like cron, atd, lpr, init, inetd are not going anywhere. They will continue to be part of the UNIX world well into this century (and probably longer). The future of launched is less certain.
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Does launchd Beat cron?
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It seems to me that the launchd is quite small with a well defined interface. How is it more efficient to have multiple program using up "more" HD space, and more resources? How is it "good thing"?
Because the source is easier to understand? If there is a problem with one subsystem you can turn it off without affecting another? I can turn off atd and have cron running. I can turn off inetd if I don't need it. I can modify inetd without worrying about messing init.
What if there is a security hole in their daemon? I can't turn it off (or remove it) because that would kill the system. If there is a security hole in cron or inetd, I can remove those.
Put away your "windoze suxors" fanboy attitude for a moment and take a look at the bloody thing before you judge.
Where did I say "windoze suxors"? I think you need to lay off that acid a bit (or crack!) My post implied I didn't like Windows methodology (which I don't), not that "widoze suxors".
Many animals have much higher functional intelligence than many mentally handicaped humans. A sheep with human intelligence would still be viewed and treated like a sheep.
Maybe this is the time we start to re-examine how we treat other animals. Sadly, this will probably not happen in my lifetime (ie. next 50+ years)...
If they replaced many small programs with one large, complex one then their system will NOT be adopted because it defeats the main advantage of Unix methodology over Windows methodology.
In Unix, there are many, small, specialised system utilities. Each one is thus easy to isolated, debuged, extended, fixed, etc.. (ie. small codebase). Postfix is a MTA, not a mail reader, or a NTP server or...
Windows methodology is to have one program that does X, Y, Z because they are trivial anyway. For example, what is the point of having lpr, lpd, lpc, lpq, lprm, when all we need is "lpr {print,remove,list}" as one utility?
If Apple is adopting Windows methodology then they should not be suprised their programs will not be adopted by the UNIX world.
Well, Ron Paul says differently,
We should recognize that American tax dollars helped to create the very Taliban government that now wants to destroy us. In the late 1970s and early 80s, the CIA was very involved in the training and funding of various fundamentalist Islamic groups in Afghanistan, some of which later became today's brutal Taliban government. In fact, the U.S. government admits to giving the groups at least 6 billion dollars in military aid and weaponry, a staggering sum that would be even larger in today's dollars.
Bin Laden himself received training and weapons from the CIA, and that agency's military and financial assistance helped the Afghan rebels build a set of encampments around the city of Khost.http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2001/tst110501.ht m
If you give a bunch of people 6 billion dollars, well, many many millions WILL end up with Taliban. Heck, I've seen in various movies (documentries made by US gov't) showing the CIA with the fundamentalist freedom fighters. They even said how the US believes in their fight against the atheist soviets (emphesize atheist).
Of course, the CIA will deny funding bin Laden, but then, they probably didn't give money to him diretly anyway. It just went though a third party and ended up with bin Laden and the CIA knew that.
The CIA ignored the Russian story. Stories of suicide missions of the jihadists where they entered a camp, high on drugs so they don't feel pain, shooting everyone. Soldiers said that even when the enemy was leaking blood like a sieve he continued to shoot until killed or lost conciesness. And where did those people get american weapons, including state of the art (at the time) ground-to-air missles? 3rd party!!? LOL.
Also, you will not find much from gov't sources about CIA and drug smuggling, yet there is more than enough evidence of CIA's involvment in smuggling drugs, even into the US itself!
It is simpler and more sure to use wires. Also, something like the Apple iBook could probably use PoE to power it. From the specs,
Book G4 with 12.1-inch display: 50-watt-hour lithium-ion battery provides up to 6 hours of battery life on a single charge
So, the average power usage seems to be under 10W. Even if it spikes to 14 or so, it is still good for PoE. At least it is much better than carrying the extra AC adaptor!
No. You just need pressure for which you would need a compressor. Those things are quite heavy. Also, Mars is dusty. To have anything hover, well, BAD idea.
If Apple does not publish revision histories (patches & description of each patch), then their code will not become part of KDE. Who loses? Well, Apple, KDE *and* users because all everyone ends up doing is redoing the same work over and over again. It kind of defeats one of the purposes of open source.
Yes, the potential is over a very small distance. Physics News Update 729 (where I got this in the first place) gives the number as 25V/nm. But you have to say that a gradient of 25 billion volts per meter sounds better!
According to the source, the pyroelectric crystal produces a 120kV potential. The huge gradient is only at the end of the tiny pin (you have to look at the high resolution images. The MSNBC image is too low resolution to see the pin - a *critical* part of the setup!:)
Bridging is completely broken. I have tried it in 2.6.11 and the box went boom. I tried to bridge an ethernet (via_rhine) and usbnet (Zaurus) connections into one. After I enabled bridging, many applications started experiencing memory corruptions. I even had the box reboot automagically.
I also tried bridging between two ethernet segments (8139too). Failed in the same way...
The bridge was working otherwise (plus huge system instability)... Without the bridge, the kernel is rock solid. IPSec, IPv6 all work.
Okay, let me add to that then. It's not pratical on our scale to run it without RBL's. We were getting at least one dictionary attack a day, and it was getting to the point where the system couldn't even keep up and we were getting several thousand messages waiting in the queue.
Maybe you should just reject such email *before* accepting it? I mean, when the recipient is invalid, just send 550 or 450 response. Heck, if the source keeps sending crap (dictionary), just do a 450 for a day from this IP. Valid email from such an IP would be delayed for a day.. If it is a zombie, well, almost no load for you:)
Only the base can hold Debian releases. Other applications do not because they can be removed from the release. Right now, the slow release cycle has nothing to do with X, KDE or GNOME or any other package but the base. The RC bugs in base are showstoppers. The RC bugs in other packages will just make these packages disappear from the release.
The current administration values loyalty over all else.
The current administration brooks no dissent.
The current administration carefully scripts, stages and choreographs virtually every major public event.
The current administration is unwavering in their conviction and utterly unapologetic for their actions
I *will* be modded as troll, flaimbait or whatever, but there are other governments that fit this criteria,
Nazis
Stalin and other "communists" (see China or North Korea)
Iran's Theocracy
Saddam's gov't in Iraq.
All of these were/are totalitarian regimes. How is it that in US people still call their goventment a "democracy"? I mean, if there is no dissent, there is no democracy. Period.
And now rebublicans want to change rules because a handful of judges (less than 1 or 2% percent of appointments made by Bush) are not getting though the senate!! Over the last two or three decades, there were over 30 judges filibustered/vetoed, 80% by the republicans...
But, I guess, as long as Americans can have their assult rifles for "home protection" they will be happy....
They will probably swin the in North Atlantic current. It is warm and pushes you along quite fast. He could just float on the water and get to england.
Now, if they want to swin from Spain to Florida, well, that's another matter!:)
How about water closer to 0F? You know, the oceans are loaded with salt and that water doesn't freeze at 0C (32F). Actually, the entire 0 of the F system was set to freezing point of water saturated with salt. Why? Because the British thought geting pure water to measure 0 degrees (ie. 0) was too difficult.
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Sound power 55 bels
There is a difference.
Sarge will ship with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 kernels. All have been patches with security and other patches so the 2.4.x kernel is not really out of date.
Do know know what the resources of Microsoft even are? 40 billion/year buys you a lot of developers, *full time*. 40 billion/200k (counting overhead, etc..), gets you about 200,000 developers. This is much more than Debian - about 900 part time, plus another 50,000 part time for upstream (guesstimating). Very few full time developers in Debian or upstream.
Most people working for Debian or have software packaged in Debian are not writing it for money. Money is a big motivation factor especially since you need it to live.
The *resources* of Microsoft dwarf Debian, Redhat and Suse combined. Sorry, but that's reality.
You can still install and run potato or ham, though it is not on the main debian mirrors and there are no security updates.
amd64 will be supported by amd64 team, including Sarge. http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1223
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Evolution happens though random mutations and need. If you look in geological records you will find that evolution always progresses fastest when there is some kind of a disaster. How? Because some mutations are more suitable for new conditions and thus are able to push other subspecies to extinction.
This is how homo-sapien survived and other subspecies of man did not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_(genus). Nature is always about competition for food. Mutations that secure more food survive. Other mutations die out. This is "natural selection" and it is *the* fundamental part of evolution.
Neanderthals couldn't talk, we could. We survived. Natural selection time? Last ice age.
It is not ideal, but at least I have to read the manpages to configure things. Going from SysV to rc.conf style (or vice-versa) can be confusing, but I always found it easier to understand than trying to figure out where things are in the things like MMC (the microsoft control for Windows servers).
Uniform configuration does not always lead to less confusion. For example, if I want to change something in cron, I do not want or need to look at the manual that deals with init scripts.
A major advantage in the UNIX world is that there are many different crons, MTAs, and inetds. If I don't like one (bugs, features, whatever), I can substitute it with something I like. If the system is running launched, well, I can't replace it with anything. For example, I am running openbsd-inetd on Debian because it supports IPv6 while the inetutils-inetd doesn't.
The bottom line is utilities like cron, atd, lpr, init, inetd are not going anywhere. They will continue to be part of the UNIX world well into this century (and probably longer). The future of launched is less certain.
Because the source is easier to understand? If there is a problem with one subsystem you can turn it off without affecting another? I can turn off atd and have cron running. I can turn off inetd if I don't need it. I can modify inetd without worrying about messing init.
What if there is a security hole in their daemon? I can't turn it off (or remove it) because that would kill the system. If there is a security hole in cron or inetd, I can remove those.
Put away your "windoze suxors" fanboy attitude for a moment and take a look at the bloody thing before you judge.
Where did I say "windoze suxors"? I think you need to lay off that acid a bit (or crack!) My post implied I didn't like Windows methodology (which I don't), not that "widoze suxors".
Maybe this is the time we start to re-examine how we treat other animals. Sadly, this will probably not happen in my lifetime (ie. next 50+ years)...
In Unix, there are many, small, specialised system utilities. Each one is thus easy to isolated, debuged, extended, fixed, etc.. (ie. small codebase). Postfix is a MTA, not a mail reader, or a NTP server or ...
Windows methodology is to have one program that does X, Y, Z because they are trivial anyway. For example, what is the point of having lpr, lpd, lpc, lpq, lprm, when all we need is "lpr {print,remove,list}" as one utility?
If Apple is adopting Windows methodology then they should not be suprised their programs will not be adopted by the UNIX world.
If you give a bunch of people 6 billion dollars, well, many many millions WILL end up with Taliban. Heck, I've seen in various movies (documentries made by US gov't) showing the CIA with the fundamentalist freedom fighters. They even said how the US believes in their fight against the atheist soviets (emphesize atheist).
Of course, the CIA will deny funding bin Laden, but then, they probably didn't give money to him diretly anyway. It just went though a third party and ended up with bin Laden and the CIA knew that.
Here's the CIA's propaganda: http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24- 318760.html
The CIA ignored the Russian story. Stories of suicide missions of the jihadists where they entered a camp, high on drugs so they don't feel pain, shooting everyone. Soldiers said that even when the enemy was leaking blood like a sieve he continued to shoot until killed or lost conciesness. And where did those people get american weapons, including state of the art (at the time) ground-to-air missles? 3rd party!!? LOL.
Also, you will not find much from gov't sources about CIA and drug smuggling, yet there is more than enough evidence of CIA's involvment in smuggling drugs, even into the US itself!
Book G4 with 12.1-inch display: 50-watt-hour lithium-ion battery provides up to 6 hours of battery life on a single charge
So, the average power usage seems to be under 10W. Even if it spikes to 14 or so, it is still good for PoE. At least it is much better than carrying the extra AC adaptor!
No. You just need pressure for which you would need a compressor. Those things are quite heavy. Also, Mars is dusty. To have anything hover, well, BAD idea.
If Apple does not publish revision histories (patches & description of each patch), then their code will not become part of KDE. Who loses? Well, Apple, KDE *and* users because all everyone ends up doing is redoing the same work over and over again. It kind of defeats one of the purposes of open source.
According to the source, the pyroelectric crystal produces a 120kV potential. The huge gradient is only at the end of the tiny pin (you have to look at the high resolution images. The MSNBC image is too low resolution to see the pin - a *critical* part of the setup! :)
I also tried bridging between two ethernet segments (8139too). Failed in the same way...
The bridge was working otherwise (plus huge system instability)... Without the bridge, the kernel is rock solid. IPSec, IPv6 all work.
I'm sure you also noticed how the comments usually contain upper case letters at the beginning of sentences, and things like I, not i? :)
Or maybe the default button should be "Don't Bother" and the other "Send". I mean, WTF does "Yes/No" mean?
Maybe you should just reject such email *before* accepting it? I mean, when the recipient is invalid, just send 550 or 450 response. Heck, if the source keeps sending crap (dictionary), just do a 450 for a day from this IP. Valid email from such an IP would be delayed for a day.. If it is a zombie, well, almost no load for you :)
Only the base can hold Debian releases. Other applications do not because they can be removed from the release. Right now, the slow release cycle has nothing to do with X, KDE or GNOME or any other package but the base. The RC bugs in base are showstoppers. The RC bugs in other packages will just make these packages disappear from the release.
- The current administration values loyalty over all else.
- The current administration brooks no dissent.
- The current administration carefully scripts, stages and choreographs virtually every major public event.
- The current administration is unwavering in their conviction and utterly unapologetic for their actions
I *will* be modded as troll, flaimbait or whatever, but there are other governments that fit this criteria,All of these were/are totalitarian regimes. How is it that in US people still call their goventment a "democracy"? I mean, if there is no dissent, there is no democracy. Period.
And now rebublicans want to change rules because a handful of judges (less than 1 or 2% percent of appointments made by Bush) are not getting though the senate!! Over the last two or three decades, there were over 30 judges filibustered/vetoed, 80% by the republicans...
But, I guess, as long as Americans can have their assult rifles for "home protection" they will be happy....
Now, if they want to swin from Spain to Florida, well, that's another matter! :)
How about water closer to 0F? You know, the oceans are loaded with salt and that water doesn't freeze at 0C (32F). Actually, the entire 0 of the F system was set to freezing point of water saturated with salt. Why? Because the British thought geting pure water to measure 0 degrees (ie. 0) was too difficult.
A couple for 400F? LOL
Zones for Linux? Try Xen.