Those who believe ID are nothing more than a group of self-ignorant fools.
But those who post on Slashdot are obviously better...
"I don't believe in ID, look at how awesome I am! IANAL but I'm going to post my theory on how statute 13.442.ab.34 of the US penal code applies to a random copyright infringement case or DMCA case or the Patriot Act or whatever else I propose to be an expert in even though I never went to college because - and this is important - I don't BELIEVE in ID, which means I'm not and ignorant fool."
Careful who you're calling a self-ignorant fool. I don't believe in ID either, but I'm damn sure a fool, and so is anyone proporting not to be.
Of course! It's no different than the ID vs. Evolution nonsense.
This statement on/. is getting to be like Godwin's Law. I'm hereby naming it "Martorana's Law" (that's my last name) - within any discussion of Science, there is an ~90% chance that someone will take the opportunity to take a swipe at ID.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not an IDer. But for God's sake, this is flaimbait. An obvious attempt to get the discussion going again so mods can have fun down-modding any IDer into total oblivion while patting themselves on the back for being so enlightened, so much more intelligent than the masses.
So "Martorana's Law" is now on the books. Slashdotters love to put down ID, even during a discussion on global warming or current administration corruption.
Good job. Pat yourself on the back. So enlightened.
Most adult websites though do not want to bypass Internet content filters that parents set up for their children. Many voluntarily list themselves with filtering companies expressly for the purpose of trying to keep porn away from those who should not be seeing it.
True, and logical. Even pr0n companies complain of piracy, and those of less than an appropriate age are looking for free pr0n only. The paying customer is the financially independent customer. Not going to find many of them in the 12-16 age group.
Re:weird perspective for a conflict... and wrong!
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Whats wrong with having an open source, freely distributed DRM system so we can at least be sure nothing nasty is going on behind the scene?
If DRM were used as you read, that would certainly make an argument for the validation of DRM. However, the people you speak of on this site that oppose DRM do so because it's not about piracy and lost moneys - it's about control. Taking control out of the hands of the consumer and putting control into the hands of the corporation.
Originally, control of distribution was about as far as things went. But with technology, media companies see the ability to control the media (and the devices that play such media) through the entire lifecycle of the device or media. Creation to destruction - media corporations watching everything you do, every time you do it.
In this understanding, DRM is inherantly (sp?) evil. Sun hopping on board - even with "open source" as a moniker, makes Sun still a player on the evil stage of control. Open source control of my legally purchased media is still control and is still - to it's very core concept - wrong.
Aside from Salmon having elevated levels of just about everything bad (including our good friend mercury) - you can't eat it all the time anyway. Five nights a week of salmon isn't appealing to me (as much as I love salmon.)
There's nothing wrong with some ham or pork tenderloin having some of the good stuff in it too, since occasionally I'll eat the other white meat.
Yes... security... stop the sale. But AT&T, SBC, MCI - you guys go ahead and buy each other up all you want. Monopoly good. But WHOA - you're putzing with some OSS stuff we use! Bad company! NO PURCHASE FOR YOU!
Too true. Proprietary information is too important. Heck, Blizzard sues the shit out of anyone even trying to interop. Thinking that they would allow their servers to host other game metadata, allow interoperability, or anything of this degree is pretty stupid.
Although, "who needs more than 64k of RAM?" was uttered several times, so I could be completely wrong. I just don't see for-profit companies, who use and abuse every law on the books to protect their systems and intellectual property allowing this to come to pass.
And chipping PS2's is now illegal, or at least selling/buying the mod chip(in most countries), so should be no problem getting it so that chipping the PS3 is also against the law.
Which just SUCKS because, for crying out loud, it's my hardware. But then, this argument has been hashed out again and again, and it's only a matter of time before I have to call Maytag or GE to get permission to put a longer-lasting lightbulb in my refridgerator, because without their permission, my "modding" their product will be illegal.
while a $500 or $1k "enterprise", "professional", or "corporate" product, even without any material difference to the downloadable or $50 version, is a lot easier for companies to justify, account for, and get approval and funds for.
The problem with these is that people expect certain things. First is that these upgrades come with some feature or set of features that other lower licenses don't include. Secondly, they expect an element of support - guarenteed support - beyond news groups and bulletin boards.
It would certainly be nice to see these guys open their purchase model, but levels require more "stuff" be it service or good.
Wow, that was bad editing. First quote should have been I've maintained before [slashdot.org] that Google retains far too much information to make the use of Gmail anything less than a full-blown privacy nightmare.
BTW - TMM - how many first-posts have you racked up?;)
A stunning victory for the Establishment and a horror show for private citizens everywhere. Welcome to 1984.
TMM - I've got you on my friend's list, but I've gotta be honest, this is hardly a Google thing. Any large free provider - Hotmail, Yahoo, etc. have massive backup libraries going back months if not years. Short of running your own mail server, this sort of backup is inevitable.
A stunning victory for the Establishment and a horror show for private citizens everywhere. Welcome to 1984.
It's also rather counter productive since it gets a lot of people looking at whatever all this fuss is about.
It's also bad press. Anyone/thing that can look at themselves and make fun of themselves or accept a good making-fun-of always comes out looking better in the end. In fact, they'd be smarter to publicize that they support the proprieter's free speech rights.
Trying to stifle speech, on the other hand, never, ever looks good.
Thank God we have Intellectual Property laws to stifle the advancements of the arts and delay the end of human improvement as long as possible.
Funny and poigniant at the same time. There are theories that human imagination and ability to achieve is limited, as schooling required to reach a level of expertise in a field continues to increase... however, we're far from the end, and with space exploration being almost pre-natal, our ability to achieve is highly unrealized. It's not to say there isn't an end, but it's not in sight.
Further, human ingenuity will probably create devices (computers) that can help us overcome any limitations we might face on a human level.
Saying there will never be a big breakthrough is base, and any credibility this man has should be immediately and irrevocably removed. I wonder if at the end of the industrial revolution, anyone ever imagined the information revolution...
I think two words aught to help you: "root" and "kit". Companies like Immersion arn't exactly nice, but Sony is worse.
And rootkits may be evil, but at the root of the rootkit problem are things like the DMCA and software and business process patents, and in this case Sony - as evil as they may be - may indeed be a victim.
This isn't a personal dig as it applies to pretty much everybody these days, but with all due respect the government of China really isn't very communist.
Well that's the study, right? Man will always strive for power, and power corrupts, so those in charge of a communistic regime assume themselves smart and powerful enough to control the masses.
Communism is one of those theories that is, in its philosophy, quite beautiful. Take a look at Star Trek, for instance - the story is that the entire human race runs off of a communistic approach. We were a waring people before we realized it was all of humanity against the invaiding aliens, and then suddenly we became a communistic people where the good of the whole is put above the good of the individual. Of course they've also done away with the number one corrupting power - money - and all other alien races show a side of humanity that Picard and company had conquered. Klingons and war, Ferengi and the desire for money.
But communism never really works, and in each case you've sited, have almost transparently moved into an oppresive dictatorship. No longer is it the individual working for the whole, but a single individual in power thinking that controlling the whole is even better.
Don't get me wrong - capitalism has got its problems. (Bad English used to emphisize a point.) But a truely successful communistic society would be an interesting study indeed.
I find this applies to almost everything people believe. We reach some point where we accept certain things as being set in stone. Then what happens is we refuse to accept any new information which disrupts what we believe.
I am not trying to start a flame war here, but this idea that any entity - person, government, etc., will just suddenly turn heel and become the complete opposite of what they've been for years, without some outside force acting upon it, is rediculous. Further, when you look at the weight and size of something like the government of China, you have a giant, almost immovable object to which change only comes in one of two ways - painfully slowly, or with bloody revolution.
Don't accuse people of evil before they actually do it.
Which brings me to my point - the government of China has proven themselves evil time and time again. The assumption that "hey, perhaps this time they're ok" is a dangerous precident that seems to have been set sometime recently. It's like the idea that Iraq will just suddenly, one day accept democracy as the US lays it out... as nice as it may sound, it's not going to happen.
I do continue to be dissapointed in the media outlets that take any blog posting as fact. But if I were a reporter, I'd certainly start investigating with the assumption that the Chinese government had indeed stepped in, and then try to disprove a theory which more often than not, will be correct.
If you want to speak of truths, one is that an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an outside force - and this goes for the movement of a communist, repressive government the same that it goes for giant masses of matter floating in space.
Perhaps you missed where I wrote "I'll give you that news agencies should really do some fact checking before picking up the latest blog chatter and reporting it as real news..."
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But those who post on Slashdot are obviously better...
"I don't believe in ID, look at how awesome I am! IANAL but I'm going to post my theory on how statute 13.442.ab.34 of the US penal code applies to a random copyright infringement case or DMCA case or the Patriot Act or whatever else I propose to be an expert in even though I never went to college because - and this is important - I don't BELIEVE in ID, which means I'm not and ignorant fool."
Careful who you're calling a self-ignorant fool. I don't believe in ID either, but I'm damn sure a fool, and so is anyone proporting not to be.
This statement on /. is getting to be like Godwin's Law. I'm hereby naming it "Martorana's Law" (that's my last name) - within any discussion of Science, there is an ~90% chance that someone will take the opportunity to take a swipe at ID.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not an IDer. But for God's sake, this is flaimbait. An obvious attempt to get the discussion going again so mods can have fun down-modding any IDer into total oblivion while patting themselves on the back for being so enlightened, so much more intelligent than the masses.
So "Martorana's Law" is now on the books. Slashdotters love to put down ID, even during a discussion on global warming or current administration corruption.
Good job. Pat yourself on the back. So enlightened.
Wow - maybe I could go a whole 12 pack before breaking the seal...
oh please. if you have nothing to hide...
**cough** RFID.
True, and logical. Even pr0n companies complain of piracy, and those of less than an appropriate age are looking for free pr0n only. The paying customer is the financially independent customer. Not going to find many of them in the 12-16 age group.
If DRM were used as you read, that would certainly make an argument for the validation of DRM. However, the people you speak of on this site that oppose DRM do so because it's not about piracy and lost moneys - it's about control. Taking control out of the hands of the consumer and putting control into the hands of the corporation.
Originally, control of distribution was about as far as things went. But with technology, media companies see the ability to control the media (and the devices that play such media) through the entire lifecycle of the device or media. Creation to destruction - media corporations watching everything you do, every time you do it.
In this understanding, DRM is inherantly (sp?) evil. Sun hopping on board - even with "open source" as a moniker, makes Sun still a player on the evil stage of control. Open source control of my legally purchased media is still control and is still - to it's very core concept - wrong.
Aside from Salmon having elevated levels of just about everything bad (including our good friend mercury) - you can't eat it all the time anyway. Five nights a week of salmon isn't appealing to me (as much as I love salmon.)
There's nothing wrong with some ham or pork tenderloin having some of the good stuff in it too, since occasionally I'll eat the other white meat.
Yes... security... stop the sale. But AT&T, SBC, MCI - you guys go ahead and buy each other up all you want. Monopoly good. But WHOA - you're putzing with some OSS stuff we use! Bad company! NO PURCHASE FOR YOU!
Although, "who needs more than 64k of RAM?" was uttered several times, so I could be completely wrong. I just don't see for-profit companies, who use and abuse every law on the books to protect their systems and intellectual property allowing this to come to pass.
Which just SUCKS because, for crying out loud, it's my hardware. But then, this argument has been hashed out again and again, and it's only a matter of time before I have to call Maytag or GE to get permission to put a longer-lasting lightbulb in my refridgerator, because without their permission, my "modding" their product will be illegal.
The problem with these is that people expect certain things. First is that these upgrades come with some feature or set of features that other lower licenses don't include. Secondly, they expect an element of support - guarenteed support - beyond news groups and bulletin boards.
It would certainly be nice to see these guys open their purchase model, but levels require more "stuff" be it service or good.
Well, that was stupid.
much, much better (and proven!):
Ajax.NET
Look, up in the sky, its a shattered childhood.
I'm sorry, but the "big two" comic book franchises have also trademarked the following:
- bird
- plane
- sky
- planet
- newspaper
- daily
- gazette
among others. The use of "sky" in your posting is a violation of our trademarks. Please change your comment to read:
"Look, up in the blue thing surrounding the earth, its a shattered childhood."
BTW - TMM - how many first-posts have you racked up? ;)
TMM - I've got you on my friend's list, but I've gotta be honest, this is hardly a Google thing. Any large free provider - Hotmail, Yahoo, etc. have massive backup libraries going back months if not years. Short of running your own mail server, this sort of backup is inevitable.
A stunning victory for the Establishment and a horror show for private citizens everywhere. Welcome to 1984.Here, I agree with you whole heartedly.
It's also bad press. Anyone/thing that can look at themselves and make fun of themselves or accept a good making-fun-of always comes out looking better in the end. In fact, they'd be smarter to publicize that they support the proprieter's free speech rights.
Trying to stifle speech, on the other hand, never, ever looks good.
Which is the same argument that the RIAA et al use, but I still have the right of first sale of the LICENSE, along with the media it comes on.
Well, at least I have the right for the time being...
* cough * iTerm.
/me prepare for downmod
oh, wait. this is linux. sorry...
Funny and poigniant at the same time. There are theories that human imagination and ability to achieve is limited, as schooling required to reach a level of expertise in a field continues to increase... however, we're far from the end, and with space exploration being almost pre-natal, our ability to achieve is highly unrealized. It's not to say there isn't an end, but it's not in sight.
Further, human ingenuity will probably create devices (computers) that can help us overcome any limitations we might face on a human level.
Saying there will never be a big breakthrough is base, and any credibility this man has should be immediately and irrevocably removed. I wonder if at the end of the industrial revolution, anyone ever imagined the information revolution...
And rootkits may be evil, but at the root of the rootkit problem are things like the DMCA and software and business process patents, and in this case Sony - as evil as they may be - may indeed be a victim.
Well that's the study, right? Man will always strive for power, and power corrupts, so those in charge of a communistic regime assume themselves smart and powerful enough to control the masses.
Communism is one of those theories that is, in its philosophy, quite beautiful. Take a look at Star Trek, for instance - the story is that the entire human race runs off of a communistic approach. We were a waring people before we realized it was all of humanity against the invaiding aliens, and then suddenly we became a communistic people where the good of the whole is put above the good of the individual. Of course they've also done away with the number one corrupting power - money - and all other alien races show a side of humanity that Picard and company had conquered. Klingons and war, Ferengi and the desire for money.
But communism never really works, and in each case you've sited, have almost transparently moved into an oppresive dictatorship. No longer is it the individual working for the whole, but a single individual in power thinking that controlling the whole is even better.
Don't get me wrong - capitalism has got its problems. (Bad English used to emphisize a point.) But a truely successful communistic society would be an interesting study indeed.
I am not trying to start a flame war here, but this idea that any entity - person, government, etc., will just suddenly turn heel and become the complete opposite of what they've been for years, without some outside force acting upon it, is rediculous. Further, when you look at the weight and size of something like the government of China, you have a giant, almost immovable object to which change only comes in one of two ways - painfully slowly, or with bloody revolution.
Don't accuse people of evil before they actually do it.
Which brings me to my point - the government of China has proven themselves evil time and time again. The assumption that "hey, perhaps this time they're ok" is a dangerous precident that seems to have been set sometime recently. It's like the idea that Iraq will just suddenly, one day accept democracy as the US lays it out... as nice as it may sound, it's not going to happen.
I do continue to be dissapointed in the media outlets that take any blog posting as fact. But if I were a reporter, I'd certainly start investigating with the assumption that the Chinese government had indeed stepped in, and then try to disprove a theory which more often than not, will be correct.
If you want to speak of truths, one is that an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an outside force - and this goes for the movement of a communist, repressive government the same that it goes for giant masses of matter floating in space.
Perhaps you missed where I wrote "I'll give you that news agencies should really do some fact checking before picking up the latest blog chatter and reporting it as real news..."