Are you kidding? Man, I really miss the Super Nintendo controllers. Actually, I just miss Super Nintendo (and regular Nintendo for that matter). You hear that Nintendo? Resume production immediately!
I find your friends funny, cuz mine don't pay a cent for M$ Office. P2P, ya know...
I find it funny that you, your friends, the grandparent, and his friends, still bother with M$ at all. Pirating Office, Windows, or any Microsoft product doesn't make you 1337. It makes you dependent on Microsoft. Take that money you saved on Office and go buy a life.
Ahh, the old double standard. Usually, the groups that push to get rid of violence in video games and movies, are the same groups you could catch pledging full support of war (any war, take your pick). God forbid, a video game corrupt the mind of an innocent child, but they'll be damned if they're going to let some pinko commie stop their war efforts.
I think the problem with these people is that they don't play enough violent video games. Therefore, they're feeling violence-starved and decide to take out their aggression by sending some 18 year old kids (who, hopefully, weren't brought up on violent video games!) to go kill some people for them so that they can get off on it when they watch the evening news.
And this is one of the many things I despise about conservatives: They'll go to church, pray that our kids are not affected by violent video games/movies, they'll lobby for censorship... And then they'll pledge complete and utter alliance to a president who gets the kids they're trying to "protect" killed.
Disclaimer: If you're conservative and do not fit this description, do not waste time telling me about it. If you don't fit the description, I'm not talking about you.
Umm, actually yes, MTV2 is better than MTV. Unless, of course, you enjoy having only an hour of videos a day, and those videos consisting of J-Lo, Avril, and Yellow Card (OMG! They're so punk!).
I've always been told that it is best to write vanilla code and to trust the compiler to optimize for you. The compiler is much happier with plain ol' code. It says, "Hey! I know what to do with this!" Rather than some elaborate crap you've written because you think it'll be faster. That's when it says, "Ack! WTF am I supposed to do with this? Oh well, here goes nothing..."
Even if there was a tested an proven layout that would gaurantee quicker results than QWERTY, why would anyone want to give up QWERTY? It's taken me years to perfect touch typing with QWERTY. On a good day with pretty simple sentences, I can easily do 100 WPM. So even if I could theoretically acheive an excess of 100 WPM with, say Dvorak, the time it would take to learn it, as well as the non-portability of the skill (what are the odds of finding another Dvorak keyboard wherever you go), are not worth it.
To compliment your quote: "An old hacker can't get used to them," you're right. We're going to stick with the tried and true. Maybe if you raise kids on a combination of Dvorak and QWERTY, they would better off, like teaching them two languages when they're young, but us old guys raised on QWERTY (yeah, 22 is old, shut up) are going to find it hard learning new tricks.
Does anyone remember when Microsoft's stance was that antivirus should not be built into the OS? It seems like they may be changing their tune. I realize that they're not building it in yet, but are they possibly bundling it in the future?
You walk around feeling incredibly secure, since you're supposed to be secure by default. Then, because you didn't take the time to understand the OS and did something stupid, you realize that you've been walking with your fly down the whole time. Of course the girls you tried to pick up at the bar called you out right away with your smug attitude, lack of "features", and that "Puff" t-shirt you thought was cool. Once you realize your mistakes, you desperately post to misc@openbsd.org begging for help. You get laughed at by other people just like you, only of a higher caliber. But hey, you don't care, you're secure... right?
I'm not all too familiar with this. Is the code portable? For all the GUI creation, does it just include a bunch of libraries and code for you? It seems cool, but what are its limitations?
Actually, it can and is being done. I worked on a project a few years back called "Computers for Africa - Bridging the Digital Divide". We basically took all these donated PCs (~400MHz or so), installed ghost images of Win 95 (don't ask me why), set them up for networking, and loaded them up. They were sent in bulk by donations. It was pretty cool knowing that what little I was doing had the potential to churn out some hackers in remote parts of Africa, where even electricity is hard to come by.
Wow. You don't get laid much do you? Yeah, there's a lot of dumbass Jesus-freaks out there. But most of them aren't Christian. They're "Christian" with the quotes. Being a Christian has nothing to do with despising gays, other religions, people of color, etc. It has nothing to do with giving all your money to the church. It has nothing to do with pasting lame-ass bumperstickers on your SUV. It certainly has nothing to do with being Republican. Or Democrat for that matter.
It's all about your personal relationship with God. It's about being down with the G-O-D and being cool with people who aren't. I myself am always willing to talk to people about it, but will never condemn someone for not having the same beliefs. The people you're talking about have misinterpreted the Bible somehow and think that if they don't convert everybody soon, then the world is going to explode.
And the thing these "Christians" aren't realizing is, the harder they push, the more resistant people become. If they'd just loosen up a bit and become more accepting, I think they'd get better results and people would be more interested. And maybe you wouldn't be such an asshole.
Don't get so caught up in terminology... I wasn't referring to benevolent ones aligned with the forces good. Those people aren't hackers: they're software engineers, or security experts. I was more referring to those who succumb to the idolization of the illicit behavior that is glorified in Phrack and 2600. If you find my ranting on this subject unfavorable, you could be one of the dickless shitbags I'm talking about.
This statement is so ass backwards I don't know if it's coming or going. I've got an idea: How about you don't talk.
"Software engineers, security experts"? Do you think their (our) interests stop with the fucking ACM or IEEE? No. They extend even to the underground of 2600 and Phrack. If you haven't fucking figured out by now, that not publishing information will do nothing to stop hackers/crackers/criminals from getting information, then you are living in a dream world.
Maybe you've heard the hacker catch phrase "information should be free" or something like that. You know, that one that everyone tries to twist around to mean that credit card numbers, serialz, medical records, etc. should be free. Well, actually what is mean by that is technical knowledge. Anything from wiring a token ring to exploiting a remote buffer overflow. And that is the kind of information Phrack and 2600 put out (ok, not so much 2600 - they're too busy trying to learn how to burn ripped DVDs).
What the fuck do you have against that? Do you realize that the reader base for Phrack and 2600 range from these "dickless shitbags" you talk about, to students, to college professors, to military officers, to the pentagon? People can choose to do what they want with that information. People like us will use it to defend ourselves. People like you will bitch and say it shouldn't be public.
Whatever. This is most likely a waste of time, because none of this is going to sink in. Debate over. YHT. YHL. HAND.
Right you are. I'm a life time subscriber, but with some of the content anymore - especially the letters - just pains me to read it. Once in a while there will be a good 'hacker'-worthy article. But most of the time it's "how do I get around right-click suppression using Internet Explorer?" Please.
Fyodor introduced nmap on Phrack. Aleph 0ne taught us about buffer overflows through Phrack. And route was the funniest damn editor ever. My only complaints about the zine was the lack of grammar police, but other than that, it has probably been the most prestigous underground publication in the last 20 years, IMHO anyway.
While I still believe in 2600, they really need to get back to their roots. Who cares if we alienate some newbies? If they are truely hackers as they claim to be (that title is so easy to come by these days), maybe it'll inspire them to do something other than read a how-to.
I'll miss you, Phrack.
btw, they've had 'last issues' before. I'd be surprised if they went away forever.
What I find interesting is that the entire time I was reading the interview, it reminded me of the 'its legitimate to steal software/music' zealots who think any action they take with a computer can be justified as a $DIETY given right.
Nonono. Don't confuse the pirates with the people who actually care about freedom. Yes, stealing software/music/movies is illegal. That is a fact. Go look it up. (I won't go into the debate of "just because it's illegal doesn't make it unethical"). The fact that there is plenty of legitimate uses for p2p has been evident for a long time. Granted, a lot of people don't always do legal things with it, but a lot of people don't always do legal things with a car, and they're still legal.
No, not any action taken with a compter is a right, and this is made clear by laws. But, to the best of my knowledge, distributing code is still legal (correct me if I'm wrong). I hope for all of us that it stays that way.
The difference would obviously be what you do with the virus. Keep it on your own systems and play with it? That is absolutely acceptable. Release it to the general public *in source form* also should be acceptable. It's sharing of source code. Nothing wrong with that. If you disallow writing a program that could do something damaging or illegal, then we'd better lock up p2p programs as well (not like they aren't trying). I'm not advocating releasing the binary form in the wild. That is where the problems start. It's one thing to point out security holes in the way that Secunia and others do with proof of concepts, but it's another to release a virus in the wild that actually does illegal things. Make sense?
Lessee, 2005 minus 25, makes it... carry the one... factor in leap years... 1980. Man, TVs were invented two years before I was born? Shit, that makes me feel old.
85% of Slashdot users use windows, and 60% still use internet explorer.
Though it may look bad in statistics, a lot of it is due to unavoidable situations, such as surfing at work, or on public terminals. At my school, we have lots of dumb terminals with IE and WinXP. It's easy to just jump on one and check/. At work, I occasionally develop under Windows, so/. receives some more visits.
I will admit, however, that 85%/60% are pretty high numbers for a learned crowd. I just hope that a lot of people are surfing at work or school!
"I'm rather tired of hearing the GPL described as "non-free" or the BSD as "free-er". The BSD license is free as in "Working for Apple for free", it provides no additional freedom above that that the GPL provides, it merely gives the contributor more control over how free the code is going to be and to whom."
Then there's those of us who just code because it's fun. Getting paid and making a living is nice and all, but some of us still code for recreation. Once I leave the office, I head home and I start tinkering on my own little project. And if I just want to show everybody this cool new program I wrote I don't want to bother with encumbering GPL licenses.
If Apple decides to use it, then I would take that as a compliment, so long as they mention my name. That's it. Throw a tiny little shout to me in small print in the back of a manual somewhere. Money is nice, but it doesn't always have to rule everything all the time... Musicians, are you listening?
That said, it's worth noting that they're simply different tools for different jobs. Nothing wrong with the GPL at all, but by the same right, there's nothing wrong with the BSD or MIT licenses. They're there for you when you need them. Use them at your discretion and put an end to the trivial bullshit about what's better.
Slashdot Mirror
Is there anyone else on here who sees the need for a Firefox extention that filters out Slashdot cliches? Maybe it's just me.
who the hell actually takes the time to make the comment "who the hell actually takes the time to make this crap?"
Are you kidding? Man, I really miss the Super Nintendo controllers. Actually, I just miss Super Nintendo (and regular Nintendo for that matter). You hear that Nintendo? Resume production immediately!
I find your friends funny, cuz mine don't pay a cent for M$ Office. P2P, ya know...
I find it funny that you, your friends, the grandparent, and his friends, still bother with M$ at all. Pirating Office, Windows, or any Microsoft product doesn't make you 1337. It makes you dependent on Microsoft. Take that money you saved on Office and go buy a life.
Ahh, the old double standard. Usually, the groups that push to get rid of violence in video games and movies, are the same groups you could catch pledging full support of war (any war, take your pick). God forbid, a video game corrupt the mind of an innocent child, but they'll be damned if they're going to let some pinko commie stop their war efforts.
I think the problem with these people is that they don't play enough violent video games. Therefore, they're feeling violence-starved and decide to take out their aggression by sending some 18 year old kids (who, hopefully, weren't brought up on violent video games!) to go kill some people for them so that they can get off on it when they watch the evening news.
And this is one of the many things I despise about conservatives: They'll go to church, pray that our kids are not affected by violent video games/movies, they'll lobby for censorship... And then they'll pledge complete and utter alliance to a president who gets the kids they're trying to "protect" killed.
Disclaimer: If you're conservative and do not fit this description, do not waste time telling me about it. If you don't fit the description, I'm not talking about you.
Umm, actually yes, MTV2 is better than MTV. Unless, of course, you enjoy having only an hour of videos a day, and those videos consisting of J-Lo, Avril, and Yellow Card (OMG! They're so punk!).
Please don't ever recommend music to anyone.
I've always been told that it is best to write vanilla code and to trust the compiler to optimize for you. The compiler is much happier with plain ol' code. It says, "Hey! I know what to do with this!" Rather than some elaborate crap you've written because you think it'll be faster. That's when it says, "Ack! WTF am I supposed to do with this? Oh well, here goes nothing..."
Get it right. This is Slashdot, where Python is god.
Even if there was a tested an proven layout that would gaurantee quicker results than QWERTY, why would anyone want to give up QWERTY? It's taken me years to perfect touch typing with QWERTY. On a good day with pretty simple sentences, I can easily do 100 WPM. So even if I could theoretically acheive an excess of 100 WPM with, say Dvorak, the time it would take to learn it, as well as the non-portability of the skill (what are the odds of finding another Dvorak keyboard wherever you go), are not worth it.
To compliment your quote: "An old hacker can't get used to them," you're right. We're going to stick with the tried and true. Maybe if you raise kids on a combination of Dvorak and QWERTY, they would better off, like teaching them two languages when they're young, but us old guys raised on QWERTY (yeah, 22 is old, shut up) are going to find it hard learning new tricks.
Does anyone remember when Microsoft's stance was that antivirus should not be built into the OS? It seems like they may be changing their tune. I realize that they're not building it in yet, but are they possibly bundling it in the future?
7. OpenBSD
You walk around feeling incredibly secure, since you're supposed to be secure by default. Then, because you didn't take the time to understand the OS and did something stupid, you realize that you've been walking with your fly down the whole time. Of course the girls you tried to pick up at the bar called you out right away with your smug attitude, lack of "features", and that "Puff" t-shirt you thought was cool. Once you realize your mistakes, you desperately post to misc@openbsd.org begging for help. You get laughed at by other people just like you, only of a higher caliber. But hey, you don't care, you're secure... right?
I'm not all too familiar with this. Is the code portable? For all the GUI creation, does it just include a bunch of libraries and code for you? It seems cool, but what are its limitations?
Actually, it can and is being done. I worked on a project a few years back called "Computers for Africa - Bridging the Digital Divide". We basically took all these donated PCs (~400MHz or so), installed ghost images of Win 95 (don't ask me why), set them up for networking, and loaded them up. They were sent in bulk by donations. It was pretty cool knowing that what little I was doing had the potential to churn out some hackers in remote parts of Africa, where even electricity is hard to come by.
Wow. You don't get laid much do you? Yeah, there's a lot of dumbass Jesus-freaks out there. But most of them aren't Christian. They're "Christian" with the quotes. Being a Christian has nothing to do with despising gays, other religions, people of color, etc. It has nothing to do with giving all your money to the church. It has nothing to do with pasting lame-ass bumperstickers on your SUV. It certainly has nothing to do with being Republican. Or Democrat for that matter.
It's all about your personal relationship with God. It's about being down with the G-O-D and being cool with people who aren't. I myself am always willing to talk to people about it, but will never condemn someone for not having the same beliefs. The people you're talking about have misinterpreted the Bible somehow and think that if they don't convert everybody soon, then the world is going to explode.
And the thing these "Christians" aren't realizing is, the harder they push, the more resistant people become. If they'd just loosen up a bit and become more accepting, I think they'd get better results and people would be more interested. And maybe you wouldn't be such an asshole.
I've been saying for years that Robocop would be perfect for this! Jeez, no one ever listens to me.
*In Arabic*
"Halt. You have violated code 132 of the Geneva Conventions. Put down the rocket launcher. Scum."
Don't get so caught up in terminology... I wasn't referring to benevolent ones aligned with the forces good. Those people aren't hackers: they're software engineers, or security experts. I was more referring to those who succumb to the idolization of the illicit behavior that is glorified in Phrack and 2600. If you find my ranting on this subject unfavorable, you could be one of the dickless shitbags I'm talking about.
This statement is so ass backwards I don't know if it's coming or going. I've got an idea: How about you don't talk.
"Software engineers, security experts"? Do you think their (our) interests stop with the fucking ACM or IEEE? No. They extend even to the underground of 2600 and Phrack. If you haven't fucking figured out by now, that not publishing information will do nothing to stop hackers/crackers/criminals from getting information, then you are living in a dream world.
Maybe you've heard the hacker catch phrase "information should be free" or something like that. You know, that one that everyone tries to twist around to mean that credit card numbers, serialz, medical records, etc. should be free. Well, actually what is mean by that is technical knowledge. Anything from wiring a token ring to exploiting a remote buffer overflow. And that is the kind of information Phrack and 2600 put out (ok, not so much 2600 - they're too busy trying to learn how to burn ripped DVDs).
What the fuck do you have against that? Do you realize that the reader base for Phrack and 2600 range from these "dickless shitbags" you talk about, to students, to college professors, to military officers, to the pentagon? People can choose to do what they want with that information. People like us will use it to defend ourselves. People like you will bitch and say it shouldn't be public.
Whatever. This is most likely a waste of time, because none of this is going to sink in. Debate over. YHT. YHL. HAND.
2600 has dumbed itself down over the years;
Right you are. I'm a life time subscriber, but with some of the content anymore - especially the letters - just pains me to read it. Once in a while there will be a good 'hacker'-worthy article. But most of the time it's "how do I get around right-click suppression using Internet Explorer?" Please.
Fyodor introduced nmap on Phrack. Aleph 0ne taught us about buffer overflows through Phrack. And route was the funniest damn editor ever. My only complaints about the zine was the lack of grammar police, but other than that, it has probably been the most prestigous underground publication in the last 20 years, IMHO anyway.
While I still believe in 2600, they really need to get back to their roots. Who cares if we alienate some newbies? If they are truely hackers as they claim to be (that title is so easy to come by these days), maybe it'll inspire them to do something other than read a how-to.
I'll miss you, Phrack.
btw, they've had 'last issues' before. I'd be surprised if they went away forever.
I, for one, hope you're right.
Newsweek also mentions Google suing a Texas company for placing the AdSense code and then clicking on it in order to run up the revenue.
1. Place AdSense code
2. Click
3. ???
4. Profit!
5. Goto step 2.
That is impressive. Not that I'd really ever want to run Explorer ever, but it's a really cool hack. Kudos to you for that little contribution.
What I find interesting is that the entire time I was reading the interview, it reminded me of the 'its legitimate to steal software/music' zealots who think any action they take with a computer can be justified as a $DIETY given right.
Nonono. Don't confuse the pirates with the people who actually care about freedom. Yes, stealing software/music/movies is illegal. That is a fact. Go look it up. (I won't go into the debate of "just because it's illegal doesn't make it unethical"). The fact that there is plenty of legitimate uses for p2p has been evident for a long time. Granted, a lot of people don't always do legal things with it, but a lot of people don't always do legal things with a car, and they're still legal.
No, not any action taken with a compter is a right, and this is made clear by laws. But, to the best of my knowledge, distributing code is still legal (correct me if I'm wrong). I hope for all of us that it stays that way.
The difference would obviously be what you do with the virus. Keep it on your own systems and play with it? That is absolutely acceptable. Release it to the general public *in source form* also should be acceptable. It's sharing of source code. Nothing wrong with that. If you disallow writing a program that could do something damaging or illegal, then we'd better lock up p2p programs as well (not like they aren't trying). I'm not advocating releasing the binary form in the wild. That is where the problems start. It's one thing to point out security holes in the way that Secunia and others do with proof of concepts, but it's another to release a virus in the wild that actually does illegal things. Make sense?
Lessee, 2005 minus 25, makes it... carry the one... factor in leap years... 1980. Man, TVs were invented two years before I was born? Shit, that makes me feel old.
85% of Slashdot users use windows, and 60% still use internet explorer.
/. At work, I occasionally develop under Windows, so /. receives some more visits.
Though it may look bad in statistics, a lot of it is due to unavoidable situations, such as surfing at work, or on public terminals. At my school, we have lots of dumb terminals with IE and WinXP. It's easy to just jump on one and check
I will admit, however, that 85%/60% are pretty high numbers for a learned crowd. I just hope that a lot of people are surfing at work or school!
"I'm rather tired of hearing the GPL described as "non-free" or the BSD as "free-er". The BSD license is free as in "Working for Apple for free", it provides no additional freedom above that that the GPL provides, it merely gives the contributor more control over how free the code is going to be and to whom."
Then there's those of us who just code because it's fun. Getting paid and making a living is nice and all, but some of us still code for recreation. Once I leave the office, I head home and I start tinkering on my own little project. And if I just want to show everybody this cool new program I wrote I don't want to bother with encumbering GPL licenses.
If Apple decides to use it, then I would take that as a compliment, so long as they mention my name. That's it. Throw a tiny little shout to me in small print in the back of a manual somewhere. Money is nice, but it doesn't always have to rule everything all the time... Musicians, are you listening?
That said, it's worth noting that they're simply different tools for different jobs. Nothing wrong with the GPL at all, but by the same right, there's nothing wrong with the BSD or MIT licenses. They're there for you when you need them. Use them at your discretion and put an end to the trivial bullshit about what's better.