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Phrack E-zine Comes To An End

Flammable writes "Since 1985 Phrack has been releasing ezines to public about Hacking, Cracking, Radio, Social Engineering, etc. All things come to an end, and Phrack is no different: the last issue, #63, is accepting articles from the community now."

268 comments

  1. A useful resource by Alcemenes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could always find something interesting in useful in Phrack.

    1. Re:A useful resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, it was not grammar.

    2. Re:A useful resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankyou for that useful and, indeed, insightful comment.

    3. Re:A useful resource by hatredman · · Score: 0

      Damn it /. effect!
      Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (11) in /var/www/phrack.org/htdocs/.config/phracksql_inc.p hp on line 106

      error: mysql_connect() failed
      agent:
      via:
      remote:
      forwarded:
      url:
      P lease contact webmaster@phrack.org.

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      Hatredman
    4. Re:A useful resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't fret. I suggest hackin9 if you're looking for something to read

      http://www.haking.pl/en/index.php

    5. Re:A useful resource by darc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, apparently the slashdot crowd couldn't wait for issue #63 to bring phrack to an end.

      --
      Tired of legitimate data sources? Try UNCYCLOPEDIA
    6. Re:A useful resource by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I noticed that a while ago, while trying to know what's the size limit for an article... Can anyone enlighten me?

    7. Re:A useful resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 linhas, nem mais nem menos e sem fundamentalismos :P

    8. Re:A useful resource by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1

      Errr...
      Phode-te? Vai brincar com a pilinha? Vai chatear o papa?

      OK, já passaram 20 segundos...

    9. Re:A useful resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eheh, como seria de esperar não demonstras um dedo de inteligência. enfim, no mundo há lugar para todos kiddie, grow up

    10. Re:A useful resource by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1

      Kiddie? Grow up? Não sou eu quem não tem tomates para escrever sem ser "Anonymous Coward"...

  2. Hackers should know better... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny
    Issue #63 is the last one - if only they had used something larger than a 6-bit counter.

    --
    This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
    1. Re:Hackers should know better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it started at issue #1...

      http://www.phrack.org/show.php?p=1

    2. Re:Hackers should know better... by aiyo · · Score: 1

      So they wasted an entire issue #0, whats your point?

    3. Re:Hackers should know better... by chris_eineke · · Score: 1

      They should've used an octet instead of one-and-a-half nibbles. ;)

      --
      "All you have to do is be fragile and grateful. So stay the underdog." Chuck Palahniuk, Choke
    4. Re:Hackers should know better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is that if they're counting like this, issue 63 already overflowed the six-bit counter.

    5. Re:Hackers should know better... by zgornz · · Score: 2

      Umm if they are counting like what? Starting at 1 does not change the way you count.
      000001 is the first issue
      111111 is the last (issue 63)

    6. Re:Hackers should know better... by cdsr · · Score: 0, Troll

      The point is that you suck.

  3. 2600 is still around by tutwabee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2600 magazine seems to keep a little more up-to-date than phrack anyways.

    1. Re:2600 is still around by KingPunk · · Score: 1, Informative

      as long as i got my 2600, the world is fine.
      and quite honestly, i've always been quite partial to 2600 also.
      just something to the whole team, they make you feel,
      like family kinda.. and the radio shows own. ;)

    2. Re:2600 is still around by lambent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2600 has dumbed itself down over the years; they now publish useless howto hacks for kiddies and bored teenagers. Emmanuel also seems to concern himself more with activism now, than actually doing anything useful.

      Phrack always had something sophisticated, unusual, or actually creative. The true hacker spirit, that didn't care that mass media confused 'hacker' with 'cracker', and that didn't wear the term 'hacker' like a merit badge or fashion statement, was very evident in their issues. They published for themselves, and if anyone got anything useful out of, that's great too.

      While the true spirit never dies, it's sad to see one of the last vestiges of the old school go under. (btw, they've had 'last issues' before. I'd be surprised if they went away forever.)

    3. Re:2600 is still around by spdt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Phrack is also a free, online magazine, where 2600 only (to my knowledge) prints their articles and charges $5 per copy.

    4. Re:2600 is still around by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed 100%. Most of the stuff in 2600 is crap, especially the political articles. If I want to read left wing propaganda I'd pick up the NY Times (or check politics.slashdot.org).

      The articles in Phrack are a step above the few technical articles in 2600 these days.

    5. Re:2600 is still around by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Funny

      I used to hang out under the stairs at the Galleria in Houston TX back in the 90s. All we really did was talk about Free BSD, Win NT, networking, and hacking door cards to hotels and such shit. And when the whole gang was togeather, we would walk outside to the park and smoke weed. Ahh the fond memories.

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
    6. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      2600 took over for TAP, which was originally named YIPL - and founded by Abbie Hoffman. Despite your phrases like "over the years", "always", and "old school", you don't seem to know much about what has gone over the years or what the *real* old school is. I seriously doubt you know anything of the days when hackers chatted more on x.25 like Altos and Lutzifer and QSD than TCP/IP networks, "old school" to you seems to be measured in years, not decades. Hacker publications were born in activism, Abbie Hoffman and YIPL were not four-eyed nerds working at defense contractors like the "fathers of the Internet", they were activists taking a crack at Ma Bell. As far as articles, Phrack and 2600 have space to fill, one of the reasons 2600 only publishes quarterly, so that it will have at least some decent articles every issue. Phrack and 2600 rarely had high quality articles, when they did they were often reprints. But they were published from time to time, and the distribution of them between 2600 and Phrack was fairly even. 2600 is not just a magazine anyhow, it's a web site, it has a radio show, IRC channels, meetings, conferences etc.

      Furthermore, I seriously doubt Phrack will die. The current editors are giving up but someone is sure to revive it. The editorship of Phrack has changed hands many times.

    7. Re:2600 is still around by cicho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I haven't read either Phrack or 2600 in a couple of years, so I can only take your word for it when you say it's all political leftist content now. But maybe there's a kind of conceptual continuity there, you know? Computer hacking was significantly fueled by interest in complex systems that had enormous potential but were just out of reach in pre-PC days. Today everyone and his dog have a PC, RFCs are free for all to read and learn from, and there's enough open code to last a lifetime of study for those so inclined.

      So what complex, intriguing and powerful system is left that keeps the "rich folks only" tag and could conceivably be put to, well, other uses? What system is obscure and guards its inner workings? What huge complex system is left to hack? There's only one that really counts.

      Phrack published the infamous E911 paper and shit hit the fan big time for some people. This was important, because it got lots of cool people interested in civil rights in a new way. If an equivalent event were to happen these days, I don't think it will be about a technical manual.

      --
      "Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
    8. Re:2600 is still around by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

      f I want to read left wing propaganda I'd pick up the NY Times

      Or listen to Off the wall or whatever the radio show is called. Seems they devote half the show now to planning a protest over something or bemoan the horrible practices of the giant corporations.

    9. Re:2600 is still around by lambent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why does everything on /. have to be about establishing a pecking order based on how much credibility someone else has? It's always got to be a fight. Your phrases like "I seriously doubt you know", "Despite your phrases like" and "you don't seem to know much about" smack of intelluctual elitism. It was never truly about activism, chatting to your buddies or trying to tell other people what they do or do not know. Ma Bell has nothing to do with it. Putting other people down and infighting have nothing to do with it.

      It's about knowledge, aquiring and sharing both. I feel sorry for you, little man. Not everything has to be a battle. And next time you do want want to fight/shoot your mouth, get a real nick and don't hide behind the anonymous shield.

    10. Re:2600 is still around by telemonster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      2600 publishes what people submit. If you have something better than what is currently in the magazines, try submitting an article.

      --
      Southeastern Virginia REPRESENT!
    11. Re:2600 is still around by Lew+Payne · · Score: 2

      | Your phrases like "I seriously doubt you know", "Despite your phrases like"
      | and "you don't seem to know much about" smack of intelluctual elitism.
      | I feel sorry for you, little man. Not everything has to be a battle.

      Pot... kettle... nigritude.

    12. Re:2600 is still around by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      or bemoan the horrible practices of the giant corporations

      I have no particular reason to like lefties. I know next to nothing about most of the issues they raise about big bad corporations. But, I happen to know a little about PCs, and I have experienced on my skin the impact of corporations' common practices on the development of IT, and politicians' ineptitude or servitude towards their interests. You have probably experienced it yourself.

      So i reasonably concluded long ago that what happens in the IT field is no different from what happens in other fields, and it's irrelevant that the leftists are a bunch of hippies or the brightest minds of humankind. End Of Rant.

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      ---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
    13. Re:2600 is still around by karniv0re · · Score: 2, Interesting

      2600 has dumbed itself down over the years;

      Right you are. I'm a life time subscriber, but with some of the content anymore - especially the letters - just pains me to read it. Once in a while there will be a good 'hacker'-worthy article. But most of the time it's "how do I get around right-click suppression using Internet Explorer?" Please.

      Fyodor introduced nmap on Phrack. Aleph 0ne taught us about buffer overflows through Phrack. And route was the funniest damn editor ever. My only complaints about the zine was the lack of grammar police, but other than that, it has probably been the most prestigous underground publication in the last 20 years, IMHO anyway.

      While I still believe in 2600, they really need to get back to their roots. Who cares if we alienate some newbies? If they are truely hackers as they claim to be (that title is so easy to come by these days), maybe it'll inspire them to do something other than read a how-to.

      I'll miss you, Phrack.

      btw, they've had 'last issues' before. I'd be surprised if they went away forever.

      I, for one, hope you're right.

    14. Re:2600 is still around by cicho · · Score: 1

      " I know next to nothing about most of the issues they raise about big bad corporations."

      If you ever walk by a theater and a documentary movie called "The Corporation" is showing, go see it. (Would have to be an off-main-street movie house though.) Or find the movie on P2P, or wait for the DVD. Or try the book by the same guy (Joel Bakan) and the same title.

      Bakan presents a very sober analysis, but the gist is: imagine a human being who (a) is motivated solely by pursuit of profit, (b) violates the rules of law and of ethics to further said pursuit, (c) is incapable of admitting guilt when caught, (d) acts without regard to the social environment - he adds a few other points but you get the picture. Such people exist - they're sociopaths. Bakan draws a list of behaviors considered psychopathic (in the strict psychiatric sense) and shows how corporations follow the list to a T. And of course the law gives corporations personhood, but you can't put a corporation in jail or in a psychiatric ward. His main point is that the individuals who run huge corporations may by and large be nice people with sweet families and cute dogs, but the very nature of the corporation - the laws that make them - result in a consistent pattern of psychpathic behavior.

      --
      "Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
    15. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lewiz! We used to call you back in the day, when you were hooked up with that speed s. guy and Persian K. Actually I was never on the specific c0nfz that called you, bummer@!@#$#!

    16. Re:2600 is still around by operagost · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think there's merit to the concept of a corporation as a "groupthink" with a life of its own. However, the fact remains that the employees of that corporation make many individual decisions and if these were always ethically sound, the corporation could NOT do evil. You reap what you sow. So the corporation could be an interesting example of sociopathy on a sociological level (if that makes any sense) but I think it just comes down to a few (or many) bad seeds who think that their wrong decisions mean less because they are shielded by the corporation. In the end, it's just the mob mentality that encourages people to steal and kill because "everyone's doing it," albeit in a less intense and more deliberate manner.

      --

      Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
    17. Re:2600 is still around by Malevolyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, it's almost as if they're betraying themselves. But I do see every issue as having at least one good article. The most recent one - as of this comment - has a great article about BitTorrent. Hacking stuff is all well and good, but I love the occaisional "road less traveled" style technology editorial from someone not famed in the journalism community. Someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

      --
      Your ad here.
    18. Re:2600 is still around by cicho · · Score: 1

      "if these were always ethically sound, the corporation could NOT do evil."

      What often happens is hat CEOs are prevented from maing ethically sound decisions by corporate laws. The CEO cannot take actions that would hit the shareholders' bottom line. Hence, all decisions made must be motivated by profit - even if the CEO doesn't like that.

      In 1916 Henry Ford wanted to lower the price of the cars. Quote from Ford: "I do not believe that we should make such awful profits on our cars. A reasonable profit is right, but not too much." When he tried to cancel the payment of dividends to lower the pricetag, two shareholders - the Dodge brothers - took him to court and won.

      I wish the movie gave more such instances. Maybe the book does, I've ordered it.

      --
      "Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
    19. Re:2600 is still around by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1
      If I want to read left wing propaganda I'd pick up the NY Times

      This never ceases to amaze me. US politics is so far right that the right fringes of it are starting to firmly push into the grounds once reserved for the likes of Hitler. And the American public is so brainwashed and numbed down that a center-right rag (more right then center as the run up to Iraq clearly demnostrated) is claimed to be "left wing"... ah how would Dr. Goebbels be proud, such a trumph of propaganda!

      Dude, I have shocking news for you from the real world: Mother Jones is a leftist magazine, not NYT.

    20. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a journalist, and I can honestly tell you that almost any self respecting tech writer would gag if he found out that his prose had been published in 2600 (probably next to some bluetooth snarfing script).

    21. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being sued by the MPAA was the best thing that ever happened to 2600. They could finally take a little break from rehashing Mitnick folklore and retro infosec concepts ("OMG, some companies could still be vulnerable to wardialing!!11 here's a 1perl wardialer; HACK THE PLANET").

    22. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phrack always had something sophisticated, unusual, or actually creative. Like when they posted Metallica lyrics? I'm sorry to see them go, even though they haven't really been fun to read for ten years or so. Interesting, but not fun.

    23. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that hacking really comes from a hedonistic "If it feels good do it" culture -- hacking, piracy, and ripping was just something you did because you liked it, not because it was political.

      If anything this just reflect that the crowd is getting older and more introspective. At least this old man can still download an MP3 without reading a lecture about how the copyright system is immoral.

    24. Re:2600 is still around by siskbc · · Score: 3, Interesting
      While I still believe in 2600, they really need to get back to their roots. Who cares if we alienate some newbies? If they are truely hackers as they claim to be (that title is so easy to come by these days), maybe it'll inspire them to do something other than read a how-to.

      As someone who's read 2600 on and off for going on 15 years, I like that they haven't felt the need so much to prove their l33t-ness by insulting newbies and making the material out of the reach of intermediate and even beginning hackers. What and when were 2600's "roots" to you? I don't recall a time when it was overly "stuffy," and it's always kept truer to the so-called "underground" - which if you don't recall was significantly populated by what we'd call "script kiddies" today.

      Put another way, if everyone has that attitude, then there are no new hackers. Some proportion of script kiddies actually grow up to be good hackers. Now that doesn't mean that the material has to be of the "where can I find a perl script to do X" nature, but making concepts understandable isn't a bad thing.

      Of course, 2600's increasingly political bent technologically irrelevant matters is another issue...

      --

      -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

    25. Re:2600 is still around by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
      Emmanuel also seems to concern himself more with activism now, than actually doing anything useful.

      So teaching kids how to spoof IP addresses is doing something "useful" whereas activism is not?

    26. Re:2600 is still around by juju2112 · · Score: 1

      I had to quit reading 2600 when, shortly after the DeCSS trial, Emmanual started abstracting himself out of all the stories, replacing all the "I"s with "we"s. He also quit signing his name to them.

      Before, he wrote nearly all the stories. After that, it was all, "We here at 2600...". Yeah right. Maybe it's more professional, but to me, it took away all the personality and passion from the writing.

    27. Re:2600 is still around by juju2112 · · Score: 1

      Now that I review old articles, I can't find any instances of him using "I" or signing his name.

      Maybe my memory isn't as good as I thought.

    28. Re:2600 is still around by Scaba · · Score: 1

      Memories, indeed. This almost made me weep for my younger days:

      <ASCII art the /. lameness filter hated>
      (314)432-0756
      24 Hours A Day, 300/1200 Baud

      300 baud! Where's my VIC-20 when I need it...?

    29. Re:2600 is still around by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

      "2600 has dumbed itself down over the years; they now publish useless howto hacks for kiddies and bored teenagers. Emmanuel also seems to concern himself more with activism now, than actually doing anything useful."

      assuming that 2600 has dumbed down over the years for a moment...

      there's good reason that Emmanuel has been concerned with activism more now than before.

      Well to start, let's take his radio show 'off the hook'. A show on high technology and the telephone network right? Well if you mess with the telephone network you risk getting thrown in jail and beaten like BernieS, and if you mess with high technology you may violate either the DMCA, the PATRIOT act(s?), or any of the laws passed in the past 15 or so years that push harder and harder sentances on any sort of crime relating to technology or the internet. IANAL.

      How many times has emanuel been sued due to the above? How much did he stand to lose? How many of his peers went to jail? Mabye if your friends and peers started winding up in solitary confinement for months for nonviolent things that you do you may turn to more of an activist too hrm?

      Laws restricting use of technology force those who use technology to reconsider their options. One of those options is trying to change the situation so that everyone may enjoy the use use of technology(hell, even everyone who paid for it! Imagine that, using technology that you've bought! what a concept.).

      --
      GENERATION 26: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation.
    30. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And i'll bet you're a 15-year old American tosser who runs gentoo linux.

    31. Re:2600 is still around by golgotha007 · · Score: 1

      imagine a human being who (a) is motivated solely by pursuit of profit, (b) violates the rules of law and of ethics to further said pursuit, (c) is incapable of admitting guilt when caught, (d) acts without regard to the social environment

      congratulations, you've just descibed every businessman in Russia.

    32. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but 2600 has always sucked compared to Phrack. Calling it Phrack-lite would be an insult to Phrack.

    33. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called hyperbole dude. Try not to read too much into it.

    34. Re:2600 is still around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Henry Ford must be an exception then.

      It's similar to lawyers - It's 99% of them giving the rest a bad name.

    35. Re:2600 is still around by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1

      Well, since 2600 is not free, I stay with OTH, and I really prefer listening than reading...

    36. Re:2600 is still around by KingPunk · · Score: 0

      yeah. i agree fully. but they have no reservations conserning somebody making a pdf and shipping it out over any of the latest and greatest p2p apps or usenet.
      so in that sense, i guess its free.
      but hell, i spend more than 25$ a year on soda..
      so i can definately afford 2600. ;)

    37. Re:2600 is still around by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1
      Emmanuel also seems to concern himself more with activism now
      How come is this bad?
      The true hacker spirit
      Are you really talking about the last crew of Phrack?
    38. Re:2600 is still around by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1

      Have you actually seen any PDF version?
      I really think that they could offer in their website a downloadable version... :-(

    39. Re:2600 is still around by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1
      When he tried to cancel the payment of dividends to lower the pricetag, two shareholders - the Dodge brothers - took him to court and won.
      Which to some extent prooves that big Co's are evil 'cause laws in their countries (so the countries thenselves) are evil.
    40. Re:2600 is still around by KingPunk · · Score: 0

      i've come across some on some peer-2-peer stuff.
      but see, i buy mine, so its not like im out to try to get it free, because i don't care ;)

      but i am a leech when it comes to collecting the OTH Epps.
      im thinking about buying the dvd, but i gotta set aside 30$ for it. so blah.
      until then, i'll just keep stealing their bandwidth.

  4. Why by edanshekar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Oh why?!?

  5. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why?

  6. hmm we're too late. by huber · · Score: 2

    its already gone.

    1. Re:hmm we're too late. by kaje103 · · Score: 0


      dang a Troll rating with a positive score?!
      Why don't I ever get those? =(

      Didn't even know they existed...

  7. heh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Phrackstaff is pleased to bring you _our_ LAST EVER CALL FOR PAPERS for the FINAL RELEASE of PHRACK."

    You'd think they'd be a little more sentimental.

    1. Re:heh.. by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You'd think they'd be a little more sentimental.

      Judging by the release rate of the last few years "apathy" on the part of the Phrack editors seems to be the order of the day, but that's perhaps a little unfair. There have been scores of papers published that would have been worthy of Phrack at its best in that time. The problem is that everyone writing such papers can just as easily create their own website and publish their works there. Why wait for what might be several months to see you work published for what little kudos being published in Phrack still has left and risk someone else stealing your fifteen minutes of fame?

      --
      UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
    2. Re:heh.. by kjamez · · Score: 2, Informative

      well, i do get a little tired of reading this in bugtraq/securityfocus and then 10 minutes later seeing it on /. ... but here's my .02:

      the release i saw in bugtraq (i think, they all end up in the same folder) said they are going to goto hardcover and e-zine format ... which is (minus hardcover) is what they have been doing?

      (not trying to be a karma whore, the mysql died apparently on them:)

      in the email to bugtraw@securityfocus.com:

      ---- /snip
      Deadline: 10 July 2005 at 11:59pm
      http://www.phrack.org/cfp_final.txt
      ---- /snip

      Phrackstaff is please to bring you our LAST EVER CALL FOR PAPAERS for the FINAL RELEASE of PHRACK.

      We are preparing for a hardcover and ezine release at a major hacker convention near you!


      going on to say they'll keep the website up for two years after, "more about the decision in the release."

      one: i didn't know phrack HAD released anything in any real ammount of time recently. two: my mirror of phrack issues stops at 41, and is dated december 21, 1992. three: i always liked cDc better. different content, granted, but it was a much better 'publication' all together.

      --
      you can't have everything, where would you put it?
    3. Re:heh.. by kjamez · · Score: 1

      on an aside: copy/paste from kmail via vnc doesn't work, so i re-typed (with errors) the previous post as best i could.

      i appologize, and i will work to get my clipboard working across all platforms.

      bugtraw? i was some bugtraw.

      --
      you can't have everything, where would you put it?
    4. Re:heh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because people might not read some random person's website, but they might read Phrack. A devoted readership is basically what any kind of newspaper, magazine, or link aggregator (Slashdot) sells.

  8. I found issue #64 by Rares+Marian · · Score: 1, Funny

    It says Number of users exceeded.

    Frankly I think it's lame.

    --
    The message on the other side of this sig is false.
    1. Re:I found issue #64 by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Frankly I think you're not funny.

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    2. Re:I found issue #64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, I think you don't have a sense of humor.

  9. Netcraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netcraft confirms?

  10. Re:i didn't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I didn't know it was still around.

    Then you're not into security (in any technical form). There are various opinions on the quality of the current material but everyone (doing infosec) agrees that any new Phrack is worth reading.

    It's a sad, sad day.

    Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed - all other e-rags suck. There is no-one else operating in this space... Also, if you are working in infosec and you didn't know Phrack was still being published - boy, you totally suck.

  11. What's with the cover? by coyotecult · · Score: 1

    A babe in a g-string and a top that shows a bit of bottom nipplage, holding a smoking gun. What's the purpose of it, other than male sex appeal?

    1. Re:What's with the cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe the editors got girls

    2. Re:What's with the cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The purpose is to piss you off.

    3. Re:What's with the cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for speeding up the slashdoting

    4. Re:What's with the cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lesbian sex appeal!

    5. Re:What's with the cover? by coyotecult · · Score: 1

      Then why are they drawing girls instead of photographing them? Deep questions, indeed.

      I guess the editors got girls and guns. It's like an American dream!

    6. Re:What's with the cover? by coyotecult · · Score: 1

      I'm not pissed off, I'm pondering the greater purpose. I mean, is there one? There might be one I am missing. I have to check with the experts. As soon as they finish, um, contemplating the picture.

    7. Re:What's with the cover? by coyotecult · · Score: 1

      My inordinate pleasure.

    8. Re:What's with the cover? by rbullo · · Score: 1
      What's the purpose of it, other than male sex appeal?
      You just hit the nail on the head, dude.

      No pun intended.
      --
      OH NOES!!! IT APPEARS YUO DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR DIS HERE PIZZA! WAHT EVER ARE YOU GOING TO DO!?!?
    9. Re:What's with the cover? by nomadic · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's the purpose of it, other than male sex appeal?

      I don't understand the question.

    10. Re:What's with the cover? by cicho · · Score: 1

      Uh, female sex appeal?

      --
      "Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
    11. Re:What's with the cover? by vranash · · Score: 1

      I mean c'mon everybody knows there aren't any single STRAIGHT nerd girls :)

      They're like uhmm, cheap memory at Fry's on the day after Christmas :)

  12. what are other resources? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can anyone give other resources? I'm sure there are others ezines that cover the same thing, but PHRACK is so well known.

    1. Re:what are other resources? by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

      What about hackaday.com?

    2. Re:what are other resources? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to see a useful security based hack on hackaday. Frankly it seems to be a collection of hardware hacks dominated by the ipod.

    3. Re:what are other resources? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how could you compare hackaday.com to phrack. They are very much different.

  13. If it wasn't dead already... by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems to have been killed now...CONGRATULATIONS, you've slashdotted the body into its grave!

    1. Re:If it wasn't dead already... by mschoolbus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      you've slashdotted the body into its grave!

      I didn't get to RTFA so I don't believe it. Lets all just keep submitting articles ;-)

  14. Yes and... by ravenspear · · Score: 3, Funny

    It seems they have been using the same server since 1985.

    Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (11) in /var/www/phrack.org/htdocs/.config/phracksql_inc.p hp on line 106

    error: mysql_connect() failed

    1. Re:Yes and... by maniac_inside · · Score: 1

      Nopes, it seems to have been slashdotted.

  15. I wrote by TheLeftist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wrote Several articles for that mag when I was a wee youngster.. Mostly anarchy and drugs, and whatnot. Always liked the magazine. It was pretty funny when the Secret Service tried to prosecute the editor of Phrack.. They did a great job of demonstrating their ignorance of both computers and the law! The mag came a long way, then went a long way. To tell you the truth I wasnt aware it was still around..

    1. Re:I wrote by TommydCat · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Which editor, or all of them? :)

      I had the pleasure of meeting or knowing several of the editors and the wear and tear on their enthusiam was evident as the torch was passed. Today it seems hard to find like-minded individuals willing to take up the cause in the ether-sea of a me-too generation.

      --
      This comment does not necessarily represent the views and opinions of the author.
    2. Re:I wrote by Stalyn · · Score: 1

      so how many people do you think died or were put into a coma by your so called recipe for homemade meth?

      --
      The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
    3. Re:I wrote by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      I would also be curious in knowing which one. I knew Jade for a while and I gotta say...talk about your suave uber-geek. The man was a complete womanizer and has way more geek cred than I'm sure half of Slashdot does.

      --
      Buy Steampunk Clothing Online!
    4. Re:I wrote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wrote that Anonymous article in issue 39.

    5. Re:I wrote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh please. from what i've been told there are a million different draino meth recipes out there. singling one out is ridiculous.

    6. Re:I wrote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Probably much less than died trying to figure it out on their own...

      Next it'll be "think of the children!"

      Give it a rest already, eh

    7. Re:I wrote by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Knight Lightning.

  16. Coral Cache by zoloto · · Score: 1

    What's wrong with posting a coral cache'd link to the main story? or even a mirrordot?

    Phrack.org

    1. Re:Coral Cache by tdvaughan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Too late. Coral got to it after the slashdot hordes and so was only able to cache its corpse :(.

    2. Re:Coral Cache by kjamez · · Score: 1

      which is why rather than posting the /. links coral-ized on the main page, slashcode should coralize them for the editor who posts it, who can in turn verify the links work and set coral to start caching it immediately before it gets posted.

      --
      you can't have everything, where would you put it?
    3. Re:Coral Cache by glassesmonkey · · Score: 1

      Would it really be that hard for story posters to change the URL to a Coral cache? Any link on the front page should be through Coral. I'll bet it could even be automated.

    4. Re:Coral Cache by northcat · · Score: 1

      Mirrordot? Can't you see the flaw in your logic?

    5. Re:Coral Cache by Drantin · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mirrordot make the mirrors by checking what links are on slashdot? Kind of hard to post a link to a mirror that won't be there until you post the original in the first place...

      --
      Actio personalis moritur cum persona. (Dead men don't sue)
    6. Re:Coral Cache by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Because Coral rarely, if ever, works.

      --
      When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
  17. I'll be sorry to see it go by Raleel · · Score: 1

    I didn't read it a lot, but every time i picked it up, it was always useful

    --
    -- Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? --
  18. Great stuff for a long time by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The way Phrack has presented security information with a sense of humor has always made Phrack an entertaining read. Even when the articles weren't funny, and were serious, the tone had already been set with the loopback section. It is sad that Phrack will no longer be something to look forward to.

    However, anyone who has followed Phrack will admit that it peaked long ago, and has slowly been going away. Phrack closing shouldn't be a shock to anyone. I'm glad someone finally decided to say 'it's over' rather than having one issue a year.

    --
    time is a perception of a being's consciousness
    time is your 6th sense, the wierd ones are 7+
    1. Re:Great stuff for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see what's so wonderful about that. I'd rather have one issue a year than none at all. Maybe the editor should consider finding a replacement if he doesn't have time.

  19. Powers of good and evil by HenryKoren · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hackers should use their powers for good, not evil. They should stop spending energy trying to break, take over, invade, infect, and steal from others.

    I completely understand the thrill that comes with probing a system for vulnerabilities. Hacking is a drug... it's a power trip to take control of another host. But that power comes with karma of the worst kind. Whether a hacker hurts an individual, a company, or corporation... their deeds are not any more acceptable. Even if they're smart enough to cover their tracks, they will be punished for their crimes.

    Fuck hackers! Fuck the hackers that shut down my companies when worms or virus compromised security. Fuck the hackers with their clusters of zombie machines running PsyBNC. Fuck every single one of them that constantly pound my servers with brute force attacks. Fuck'em all. Their time for comeuppance will arrive.

    If you want to hack: Go try to break a security protocol then publish a whitepaper on it. Track down a hacker and terminate their exploited host by contacting its admin. Go patch an open source project. Go make something of your own instead of just raping other peoples property. Don't destroy... create! Your life is a waste if what you do with it is evil.

    1. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please dont confuse hackers with crackers

      crackers break stuff
      hackers make stuff

    2. Re:Powers of good and evil by Edzor · · Score: 1

      hack the planet!

    3. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've already done it, that's why they were hacking at the end of the universe.

      (hi billsf! Come back to .ar)

    4. Re:Powers of good and evil by nuclear305 · · Score: 1

      And even then, don't confuse crackers with script kiddies.

    5. Re:Powers of good and evil by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Fuck hackers! Fuck the hackers that shut down my companies when worms or virus compromised security. Fuck the hackers with their clusters of zombie machines running PsyBNC. Fuck every single one of them that constantly pound my servers with brute force attacks. Fuck'em all. Their time for comeuppance will arrive." The sad thing is that those people aren't "hackers." There's no hacking involved in writing a virus or attacking other peoples' computers.

      Hacking, by definition, is attempting to figure out how something works. Hackers, therefore, are constantly curious - they never accept what they're told and always must find out if something is true for themselves.

      So, a guy who looks for security holes in software? A hacker. Someone who researches historical details to find out the truth of a certain event? Major hacker. A twelve-year-old kid who takes apart a Walkman to figure out how it works? Definitely a hacker.

      People like those you describe, therefore, are not hackers at all. They don't seek knowledge, for whatever end; they just want the infamy and script-kiddie-cred that come with making the lives of other people miserable. It is only the media, constantly seeking demons to vanquish, that paints these people as "hackers" without even knowing what the term really means. And it's people like you who, by furthering the stereotype, continue to give hackers a bad name by making them synonymous with criminals.

      --
      Many Bothans died to bring you this sig.
    6. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for the love of god, please don't confuse crackers with rednecks.

    7. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One mans good is another mans evil.

    8. Re:Powers of good and evil by Keaster · · Score: 1

      Dude, you're stupid. I can't think of a better word, just plain stupid. I don't think that Eric Raymond, Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman would dig you telling them to go "f" themselves.

    9. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh* alas, the level of reader on /. is such that they know not the difference between a hacker and a cracker? No wonder the media is clueless . . . . PLEASE mod this guy down!

    10. Re:Powers of good and evil by telemonster · · Score: 1

      Isn't a cracker a white guy? Thus most hackers are crackers?

      --
      Southeastern Virginia REPRESENT!
    11. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      they never accept what they're told and always must find out if something is true for themselves.

      Thats called paranoia or being unable to accept authority in my dictionary.
    12. Re:Powers of good and evil by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      How in the hell can you include that piece of shit Eric Raymond in the same category as great people like Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman?

    13. Re:Powers of good and evil by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 1

      please dont confuse hackers with crackers

      Please stop with that tired old hackers vs crackers debate. No one but ESR fanboi's and 40 year old virgins even care.

    14. Re:Powers of good and evil by HenryKoren · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Don't get so caught up in terminology... I wasn't referring to benevolent ones aligned with the forces good. Those people aren't hackers: they're software engineers, or security experts. I was more referring to those who succumb to the idolization of the illicit behavior that is glorified in Phrack and 2600. If you find my ranting on this subject unfavorable, you could be one of the dickless shitbags I'm talking about.

      I don't use the term "script kiddy" because plenty of those I despise are adults, and should be treated as such. I don't use the term "Cracker", because that is someone who breaks the copy protection on software.

      No, hacker is exactly the right word for those I despise: someone who hacks. All the whitewashing in the world won't remove the negative connotation that comes with this word. I should have known that I would get modded down by slashdotters who couldn't handle the truth. C'est la vie.

    15. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You one of these people that has to excert authority over other people because you are nothing if you dont?

      And you got a mighty strange dictionary.
      Because hackers never accept what they are told they dont pass on misinformation and selfish memes.

      (I am so damn lazy dont even register for an slashdot account)

    16. Re:Powers of good and evil by karniv0re · · Score: 1

      Don't get so caught up in terminology... I wasn't referring to benevolent ones aligned with the forces good. Those people aren't hackers: they're software engineers, or security experts. I was more referring to those who succumb to the idolization of the illicit behavior that is glorified in Phrack and 2600. If you find my ranting on this subject unfavorable, you could be one of the dickless shitbags I'm talking about.

      This statement is so ass backwards I don't know if it's coming or going. I've got an idea: How about you don't talk.

      "Software engineers, security experts"? Do you think their (our) interests stop with the fucking ACM or IEEE? No. They extend even to the underground of 2600 and Phrack. If you haven't fucking figured out by now, that not publishing information will do nothing to stop hackers/crackers/criminals from getting information, then you are living in a dream world.

      Maybe you've heard the hacker catch phrase "information should be free" or something like that. You know, that one that everyone tries to twist around to mean that credit card numbers, serialz, medical records, etc. should be free. Well, actually what is mean by that is technical knowledge. Anything from wiring a token ring to exploiting a remote buffer overflow. And that is the kind of information Phrack and 2600 put out (ok, not so much 2600 - they're too busy trying to learn how to burn ripped DVDs).

      What the fuck do you have against that? Do you realize that the reader base for Phrack and 2600 range from these "dickless shitbags" you talk about, to students, to college professors, to military officers, to the pentagon? People can choose to do what they want with that information. People like us will use it to defend ourselves. People like you will bitch and say it shouldn't be public.

      Whatever. This is most likely a waste of time, because none of this is going to sink in. Debate over. YHT. YHL. HAND.

    17. Re:Powers of good and evil by HenryKoren · · Score: 1

      I should clarify that I really had no intention of speaking generally about the entire readership or the authors or editors of Phrack. My rant was simply offtopic flamebait and was moderated thus. I've been victimized; I have post traumatic stress from being victimized. In my moment of duress, Slashdot gave me an outlet to vent my rage. My apologies for indicting the innocent.

    18. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds something like what a communist party official would say to his freedom craving comrades.

      If you find a sense of security in an a system that has not and is not being tested to its limits then you are a fool and the ppl that rely on you are being fooled.

      You may choose to be blissfully ignorant, but don't go telling those that arn't to fuck themselves.

    19. Re:Powers of good and evil by evilmousse · · Score: 1


      It wasn't all that offtopic, and it's a very understandible opinion. As you can tell by now though, you've accidentally pushed some buttons. Here in a techie arena, there is a techie terminology more detailed than in the general public, and you've paid a little karma to learn (maybe not agree with) that. others that have no patience to hear the explanation over and over flame back.

      Even aside from the petty symantics though, I think you're a little short-sighted.. I'm sorry for the wrongs you've suffered, but there are sometimes more things that productive hackers have in common than just hacking. a sense of humor, for example. and not everybody starts out wise. 26yearoldme sympathizes with you, 16 yearoldme would tell you to go fuck yourself. I think it's unreasonable to expect you can grow grey-hat hackers without putting up with an immature phase.

    20. Re:Powers of good and evil by bghost4 · · Score: 1

      OK. Stop, take a breath. feel better now? I will have to agree that is sucks when a worm takes down your companies services. But we need to be prepaed for things like this. Everyone gets infected. although some less than others. be prepared to shut down a service if it will infect an entire network. Hell it'll pretty much be down its its busy replicating virii and worms. Limit attachments, Most people shouldn't be opening exe,com,bat,scr(this default list of ms's executables goes on...) at work anyway. often you can work with your ISP to block attacks at their router. And everyone deals with brute force attacks on a daily basis. Now for the rant about zombie networks. OK they suck. people who don't know how to use computers need to understand they using a computer on the internet is pretty much like driving a car. You have a simple interface to a deadly weapon. Pretty much anyone can get in the seat, move the wheel and push the pedals and watch things happen. however being on a computer you are driving on a city street crowded with other people. and with not being familiar with what the controls do what they are or even having a clue about the rules of the road. god only knows what can happen. I think when people get a computer they need to be given a class about using them before they are allowed on the internet, so less pedestriand die.

    21. Re:Powers of good and evil by Oriumpor · · Score: 1

      The fight, the onslaught, the wonderful 5 seconds till worm-ridden place we still call the internet. Firewall that boxen, IDS that network, check those logs, ban those IPs, and automate, automate, automate.

      You lost? Game over man, rm -rf / and play again.

    22. Re:Powers of good and evil by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Your logic: Hackers are people that hack. Some hackers break laws. Therefore, "Fuck hackers".

      I enjoy playing the piano. Some pianists break laws. Therefore, fuck pianists?

      See the problem?

      --
      When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
    23. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame on you. You should know better than stereotyping any group and blaming them for your poor system security. You say that you understand hackers, but it is blatanty obvious you don't have the first clue. Hackers do not take control of your computers or hurt individuals, companies or corporations. They do not shut down your companies with worms, zombie machines or pound your servers with brute force attacks. Hacking is a benevolant quest for knowledge and understanding. Hacking is a journey through bits and bytes that better an individuals understanding of the newly electrnic world we live in and benefit the community with creative new ideas and strategies. The REAL hackers ARE the ones who write the whitepapers and develop new technologies that will eventually save your company time and money. Shame on you. It is people like you that blindly eat what the media feeds them that have destroyed a label that was once highly regarded. The people you speak of are criminals, NOT hackers. Quit smearing the name of the people who have done nothing to have a negative impact on you or your company. If you want to lay blame fine, but blame the people responsible. Hackers of the world unite, and help fight this distasteful mislabeling. Help clear our names and set the grossly misinformed population straight. I am proud to be a hacker, but will in no way be associated with the activities conducted by criminals. I am on a quest for knowledge, not personal gain. I hope the record will one day finally be set straight.

    24. Re:Powers of good and evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "post traumatic stress"? LOL... grow some balls.

    25. Re:Powers of good and evil by Keaster · · Score: 1

      Ask Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman . . . Ever seen Reveloution OS?

  20. phrack was cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phrack actually had real security articles and very clever hacks. They always had interesting articles and the technological stuff they published was always quite advanced unlike that other cheesy ass so called "hacker" magazine...Phrack actually had true "hacks" that where related to "cracking". If you know what I'm saying. It wasn't a "kiddie" zine there was some cool stuff in there. Sorry to see it go.

  21. Phrack's sister-project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.phrack.ru/ is great fun for anyone familiar with the the security scene. Too bad they have stopped too.

  22. not so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recent issues have covered stuff like injecting code into running Linux kernel, polymorphic code encryption engines, and other heavy-duty stuff that doesn't show up on most technical sites because most "tech" sites pander to not-so-technical individuals.
    If Phrack goes, there isn't too many other places to find that stuff in a nice, organized and often humorous package. So I, for one, will miss it.
    Come to think of it, seems like most other oldschool ezines have died out.

    1. Re:not so by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

      that doesn't show up on most technical sites because most "tech" sites pander to not-so-technical individuals.

      Case in point: Slashdot

    2. Re:not so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      LKM injection and polymorphic encryption engines are only of interest to crackers, virus writers, and lame-oid sysadmins.

      Also, these things are neither heavy-duty or technical. They are simply more rehashed CS101 crap dumbed-down for dropouts.

  23. The Starbuck Says... by eomnimedia · · Score: 1

    "Frack."

    1. Re:The Starbuck Says... by kaje103 · · Score: 0

      not a lot gets by you!

  24. Good reason #2. by coyotecult · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it is succeeding. Anyone have any statistics on that sort of thing?

  25. All-time Top 10 Articles by SlashCrunchPop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone who has not only read but also studied every single issue of Phrack I propose that in the very last issue they also publish the All-time Top 10 Articles List as voted by readers and I hereby nominate Aleph One's legendary article Smashing The Stack For Fun And Profit (Volume 7, Issue 49, November 08, 1996).

    So let's hear your nominations... Yes, I know phrack.org has been slashdotted (commiserations to John Kozubik of Johncompanies in San Diego), but that's the point - if you are a true diehard fan of Phrack you already have all the issues mirrored locally because you've studied them thoroughly.

    1. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear. "Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit" is taught in graduate security courses and remains extraordinarily useful. It's a hard read in parts, and stuff could have been explained better (particularly near the end, I think) but it's invaluable as a resource and tutorial into the workings of the buffer overflow attack. Sad that almost a decade since its writing, it's just as timely now - a testament to the appalling lack of security focus most software developers have cultivated.

    2. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      When that was published, nobody (except a select few) knew jack about buffer overflows. The security email lists didn't talk about it. Nobody talked about it. For sure that's gotta be the most famous article in Phrack. Not that there weren't lots of other good ones. It's been one of the best resources for technical info. Actually I don't know of any other zine that comes close. Stuff like 40Hex et al seems to have died out...

    3. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by zaffir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Graduate security courses? I read and understood (well, probably 90% understood) STS in highschool. And i'm far from being a genius. It's great, but not graduate-level complex.

      --
      "Upon attaching the waterblock to my penis, I began to notice that I know nothing about computers." -- JRockway
    4. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite possibly. Undergraduate classes in the USA are lame as hell. I was disapointed to find out that the 3D graphics algos and code I'd been reading about (Michael Abrash's book amongst others) don't have any undergraduate equivalent classes. Then I realized that a lot of the classes are in fact bullshit filler that generate revenue for the uni. Of course, not long after that I overhead some campus bookstore manager talking to his co-worker saying his business was all about taking as much cash from students as possible and how they release new editions as often as possible. And yeah I'm rambling on, but at the end of the day, undergraduate studies in USA is very, very lame.

    5. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that this had to have been the best article I've ever read in Phrack (and I believe I have read them all at one point or another, besides the political and anarchist cookbookish articles). Secondly, yes, Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit was readable for me in highschool and though there were a couple of small points that I didn't understand, Aleph One himself was nice enough to reply to my email and answer my questions.

      Story: I also asked him about extending the attack to DOS and Windows systems and he replied that he'd never really worked with them. I thought that was so cool...

      The only other article I would suggest would be the one on the Juggernaut tool which was a nice integrated ethernet sniffer with session spying and hijacking, as I recall.

    6. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by thogard · · Score: 1

      Maybe in the windows world. Stack smashing got very well known in the unix world after the Morris worm from 1988.

    7. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by dimator · · Score: 1

      I was just about to post that same article, a real classic.

      I'll miss phrack, but the released a new article about once every 18 months. It had been suffering from neglect for a while now.

      --
      python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
    8. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by Sepper · · Score: 1
      if you are a true diehard fan of Phrack you already have all the issues mirrored locally because you've studied them thoroughly.
      emerge phrack-all
      No, Seriously,if you never read it, do it! Even for just 'that' article on Smashing the stack...
      It's far more meaningful than some 'security' course I had in college...
      --
      I live in Soviet Canuckistan you insensitive clod!
    9. Re:All-time Top 10 Articles by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Yes, but remember that 99% of CS students aren't like you. They don't really do much on their own, they learn everything through their classes. Security is very important for them to know, so it's not a bad idea to force feed it to them. Too bad they have to wait until they're graduate students (I would say that only the good undergraduates make it to graduate school, but that's sadly not the case.)

      Oh, and I like your sig :-)

      --
      My other car is first.
  26. Mod Parent Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, hey...

  27. Goodbye Old Friend by jfonseca · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my early days I got papers out of HAL-PC BBS in houston, a chinese friend was the first real hacker I knew. Hacker in the truest sense, he understood every part of technology. Shortly after I found a reference to Phrack on one of the binary files he'd edited with a Hex dumping tool. That caught my attention but I had no access to Phrack. Years later as the web was born I remembered the name and got my issue of Phrack online, don't remember which one but was into the early 90's. Assembly language, phones, cool C "progz", Ascii art and UNIX when UNIX still had not a Linux offspring.

    I will not deny that this news comes as a bit of a shock. All things must end, therefore in a saddened state I say goodbye to you old teacher and friend. You will be missed.

    --
    Broken Hearts are for Assholes. - Frank Zappa
    1. Re:Goodbye Old Friend by jfonseca · · Score: 1

      (Sorry for replying to my own, it's nostalgia time so...)

      A bit offtopic but speaking of the first experiences I had with UNIX : I remember right after I had the chance to type on a UNIX tty(yes I tried 'dir') that I bought a magazine on a flight to Brazil.

      Must have been 1990 or 1991, yeah 20++ or so years after UNIX was born, and this magazine had an article by John Dvorak or Bill Machrone, I think it was one of the fat guys (sorry, that's how I remember them) and he compared UNIX to pizza and he ridiculed UNIX, and made jokes of UNIX, and he all but proclaimed the doom of UNIX.

      I'd like to shove that one on his nose today.

      Ah, how I miss the guys with the crystal balls from the 80's, John Dvorak and these folks hardly got any of their predictions right. They were as right as Henry Blodget when this latter fool predicted EToys would be an internet gorilla, "Strong Buy" he gladly proclaimed, now he's a convicted felon.

      Also in nostalgia, "the good old days of Phrack" I will call them as tribute to our friend, I remember that the same magazine, either on that cover or the ones shortly before/after it happily screamed "IS THERE LIVE BEYOND 33MHZ". That was 33MHz cpu "front side bus". Which of course is a candidate (of a bad) joke for the last page of Playboy Mag. nowadays....

      Lastly just as Henry Blodget was convicted for fooling stock market naives I suggest Bill Machrone, John Dvorak and all idiotic friends from the days of clown predictions about technology should be convicted and sentenced to watermelon impalation for their sad career as technoprophets.

      But we'll hand it to them, not even Bill Gates saw the Internet coming.

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      Broken Hearts are for Assholes. - Frank Zappa
  28. Re:Heh by vettemph · · Score: 1

    > Wow.. nearly forgotten about it.
    Not me, my main password at work is phrack007.
    (frak-double-ohh-seven)
    This is a damn shame. We need a wiki-phrack... ...phractionary!

    --
    The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
  29. A sad day by l0rd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember back in the day in 1996, one of the first things I did when I got my internet connection was downloaden phrack.

    I am really sad to see it go. The articles were way better than those in 2600, and it was well written and funny too.

    Seems that alle the good zines are gone or dying a similar death (Confidence remains high, B4B0, HUGI, Veracity and others). This seems to be the state of the hacker scene today as well. It's all become either commercial or totally lame.

    This is a sad, sad day for me as it doens't look like anyone else is starting a zine of comparible quality. Please for the love of god start something not meant for lame ass high school newbies with "safe", cool hacking "tutorials". Telnetting to port 25 is NOT advanced. Phrack, you WILL be misses :-(

    1. Re:A sad day by l0rd · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, for the people that can't get to the phrack content, check out http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/f745fb20b1d50ad22 90fb117e11a1465/index.html.

    2. Re:A sad day by kjamez · · Score: 1

      the true die hards dialed bbs's and found them there. nothing like being able to read the article as it is being downloaded into telix at 2400bps.

      granted, i couldn't actually read at 2400bps, but i could skim the hell out of it. 300 might have been more my speed.

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      you can't have everything, where would you put it?
    3. Re:A sad day by chyllaxyn · · Score: 0

      werd ! Phrack whips 2600's ass. R.I.P. PhrAck

    4. Re:A sad day by waynelorentz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      300 might have been more my speed.

      That's how I always read Phrack -- on a 300 baud connection to an upstate New York web site called OSUNY (Ohio Scientific Users of New York). My computer was 40-column and Phrack was 80-column, so I would print out each issue and save it in a binder along with the cDc g-philes.

      It's been a long long time since I cared about such things. Are there any good hack/phreak groups left? Who's teaching the next generation?

    5. Re:A sad day by kjamez · · Score: 1

      nothing i have ever found. cDc still holds a dear place in my heart ... maybe we should start one.

      you must be 25+ to submit articles ... you must have owned a computer slower than your cell phone at one point ... type shit.

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      you can't have everything, where would you put it?
    6. Re:A sad day by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      Now you are bringing back memories of acoustic couplers,
      la120 terminals and no, not 300 baud, 110! 300 baud was
      just a touch fast for me :) sniff... makes you wonder
      what % of people on /. never saw or used a rotary phone.

    7. Re:A sad day by Digital+Avatar · · Score: 1
      Seems that alle the good zines are gone or dying a similar death (Confidence remains high, B4B0, HUGI, Veracity and tohers).

      What brand of crack are you smoking? Hugi is still publishing, and the content is as strong as ever. The only problem they have is continually slipping deadlines.

    8. Re:A sad day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, reading OSUNY, WOPR, and the others over a crappy terminal with an acoustic coupler at *>>>1200* baud. HA! Lightning speed, you lamers!

      Only trouble was, I would read something hilarious and cackle out loud, thus disrupting the connection, and sometimes dropping it. Then my parents would yell at me for tying up the phone. Oh crap!

    9. Re:A sad day by l0rd · · Score: 1

      That's what I mean. The time between issues is getting longer and longer, ala phrack. Seems that in all the "scenes" everything is being dumbed down.

    10. Re:A sad day by Digital+Avatar · · Score: 1

      Time between issues and 'dumbing down' are two different things. I certainly haven't noticed that in Hugi.

      I also find it amusing that anyone would even lump Hugi in with Confidence Remains High and Phrack. That's like lumping in Time with The National Enquirer.

  30. Just what they needed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh phrack... our server has been /.ed!!!

  31. Hmm by DOS-5 · · Score: 1

    A lot of web sites seem to use MySQL..

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you tell??? :\

    2. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netcraft confirms.

  32. Netcraft confirms. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Funny

    It is official; Netcraft confirms: Phrack is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered hax0r community when IDC confirmed that Phrack market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all k-l33t readers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Phrack has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Phrack is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent International Blue Boxing Competition.

    You don't need to be an Erik Bloodaxe to predict Phrack's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Phrack faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Phrack because Phrack is dying. Things are looking very bad for Phrack. As many of us are already aware, Phrack continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    There can no longer be any doubt: Phrack is dying.

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Netcraft confirms. by TommydCat · · Score: 1
      Funny! Red ink flowing like Crimson Death? Ewww...

      Unfortunately I think most mods will home in on the word Netcraft and miss the real humor :(

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      This comment does not necessarily represent the views and opinions of the author.
  33. I'm sure I speak for the majority of trashcrotters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure I speak for the majority of slashbotters when I say ... like, WHO?

  34. Well... by virid · · Score: 1

    I didn't even realize they were around that long. 20 years is a pretty long run.

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    "The world only exists in your eyes. You can make it as big or as small as you want." - F Scott Fitzgerald
  35. mirror dot by gr8fulnded · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not much, but here's mirrordot anyway... mirrordot front page

  36. R.I.P. by Keaster · · Score: 1

    ... at least Blacklisted is back ... damn

  37. Re:i didn't know by kjamez · · Score: 1

    i thought phrack became l0pht, started doing security type stuff, but got away from the phone-phreaking type stuff in the early 90's? i've been wrong before though ...

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    you can't have everything, where would you put it?
  38. Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The current "anonymous" batch editors have outgrown the zine. They were a bad choice to begin with, but regardless, that's happened to phrack before. On a regular basis. Every generation or so passes on phrack to the next. It's tradition.

    What's different about the current batch of editors was their intense arrogance and unusualy patronizing attitude towards the scene. Phrack hasn't been about the computer underground for years. The last ten years have turned Phrack into a prestigious journal for security research.

    The anarchistic underground roots of phrack have been whitewashed away by the latest batch of editors. Go and read the issues from 1980s, early 90s.

    The reason this happened was that when the scene moved to the Internet in the mid 90s the MIT hacker memes battled it out against "war games" hacker meme of the 80s. Hacker still has an 80s meaning for the general public, but the MIT hacker meme clearly won amongst the technically savy. The "cracker" and "script kiddy" memes were part of a process that turned Phrack's underground past into an embarrassment.

    So Phrack gradually turned against it's own roots. It's not for the hacker community by the hacker community anymore. Far from it. The current incarnation of Phrack actually spreads hypocritical anti-hacker memes between it's covers. It's BY $150-an-hour-security-consultants FOR our-reputation-in-the-security-industry.

    Phrack has been hijacked by sellouts.

    Aside from their snobbish elitist attitude, what have the recent editors of Phrack contributed? The articles are written by others. Try reading the "linenoise" section written by the Phrack editors sometime. Degrading newbies never gets old for these guys. Ha ha! you're all so stupid! We're so uber elite!

    So now what's happened is that these guys are so old school, so been-there-done-that, patronizing assholes that they've decided it's time for Phrack to die rather than evolve.

    Here's an alternative to killing off a 20+ year tradition: run a competition amongst would-be editors who can publish the best next issue of phrack. Then allow the PUBLIC to vote amongst alternatives as to whom succeeds the current editors.

    The team that manages to hack together the best edition of phrack 64 wins.

    Phrack is dead. Long live phrack!

    1. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said, very very well said.

      We all started off as n00bs. The true elite will always remember that.

    2. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by YakumoFuji · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the difference is, rather than have your story in phrack when it appeared every now and then, everyone just blogs or posts thier article on the web and see it NOW rather than later...

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      no sig for you
    3. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Aside from their snobbish elitist attitude, what have the recent editors of Phrack contributed? The articles are written by others. Try reading the "linenoise" section written by the Phrack editors sometime. Degrading newbies never gets old for these guys. Ha ha! you're all so stupid! We're so uber elite!"

      Gee, don't see that kind of attitude being displayed by some of the other posters here. Nice to know how the culture inbreeds and dies.

      Everybody starts somewhere. It's nice to have something approachable by a newbie available WITH something that taxes the imagination. Gives you something to look forward too and gives you an indication of how much more there is to know.

      I digress, but I see too much of this being displayed. Give as good as you take, but come on down from that high horse. Further isolating an already isolated group just adds noise.

      I wanna see what else I've been missing.

    4. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Nobody's stopping anyone from doing it. Phrack exists as long as people decide it does. The decision of the editors to end this iteration is a blip, no more.

    5. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by telemonster · · Score: 1

      I agree about passing the torch. Knight Lightning passed it to Erik B, who I think passed it to the r00t guys, who passed it to Voyager perhaps and then it ended up in who's hands?

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      Southeastern Virginia REPRESENT!
    6. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      Phrack used to be 'mirrored' internally by the CSE in Canada (Communications Security establishment) - I remember reading about forth - how one could use it at boot up to gain root on a sparc 5 - well I tried it, it worked, I got my arse kicked after showing my boss...

      I'm glad you're gone Phrack, damn you, damn you to hell! You made me get myself in trouble. Not for getting root, no, that got me promoted, but for wasting DSD's resources to find it on an obscure unlisted server overseas. (Don't worry Mike, it was stand alone!)

      The old phrack was good, new, not so good.

    7. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Phrack mattered to me back in the late 80s and early 90s. Today, I really wouldn't miss it one way or the other. But there will always be a warm nostalgic spot reserved for the olden Phrack.

      I don't know if its time is now past and now it is only an icon of a bygone era. People mentioned that others are just publishing articles on their own websites. It certainly would be cool for someone to step in and continue the legacy, although being out of touch as I am, I don't know if it is really relavent any more? But I suspect that in the right hands it could still have many good years ahead.

    8. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      7350

    9. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Phiu-x · · Score: 1

      Your boss, sir, is and idiot.

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      This is a stolen sig.
    10. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by Loptr+Chaote · · Score: 1
      What's different about the current batch of editors was their intense arrogance and unusualy patronizing attitude towards the scene. Phrack hasn't been about the computer underground for years. The last ten years have turned Phrack into a prestigious journal for security research.
      It's obvious you're just bitter because you've ended up in the Loopback-section once or twice.
      The anarchistic underground roots of phrack have been whitewashed away by the latest batch of editors. Go and read the issues from 1980s, early 90s.
      Of course.. Anarchy is just childish to say the least. Phrack has taken the step from anarchism to nihilism.
      Here's an alternative to killing off a 20+ year tradition: run a competition amongst would-be editors who can publish the best next issue of phrack. Then allow the PUBLIC to vote amongst alternatives as to whom succeeds the current editors.
      Yey! Let a majority control the flow of an underground zine. Smart... As Winston Churchill put it:
      "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
    11. Re:Pass the torch - don't kill the tradition by lifespan · · Score: 0

      Couldn't agree more. I could shoot monkeys out a cannon at a typewriter and make a more interesting article than the crap these aholes dribble in "linenoise".

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      -- Howto: Get +5 (1) Whine about M$ (2) Namedrop Gentoo (3) Casually Abuse Mods (4) Namedrop Early Computer Model
  39. Re:i didn't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nope - l0pht went 100% commercial and are/were unrelated to phrack. Your confusion probably stems from the frequent changes of staff (generally in a downward direction).

  40. Re:Heh by kjamez · · Score: 1

    and you should probably change your password, within the next week maybe.

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    you can't have everything, where would you put it?
  41. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    > Wow.. nearly forgotten about it. Not me, my main password at work is phrack007. (frak-double-ohh-seven) This is a damn shame. We need a wiki-phrack... ...phractionary!

    And your work IP address is?

  42. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'll do it for him...

  43. Premature ending? by margol · · Score: 1

    Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (11) in /var/www/phrack.org/htdocs/.config/phracksql_inc.p hp on line 106

    Slahsdot strikes again!

  44. Use web.archive, Luke by rekrutacja · · Score: 5, Informative

    Full content of website is archived at http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.phrack.org /

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    This Is Not a Sig
    1. Re:Use web.archive, Luke by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

      From over a year ago... Slashdot's not that slow in picking up the news.

    2. Re:Use web.archive, Luke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      web.archive.org is having problems.

      google's cache is still working...

    3. Re:Use web.archive, Luke by Sepper · · Score: 1

      or here

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      I live in Soviet Canuckistan you insensitive clod!
  45. EOT by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

    At least 2600 is still up.

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    make install -not war

    1. Re:EOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except 2600 is a really gay and cheesy mag for posers where as phrack was the real deal.

    2. Re:EOT by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Phrack was better, but at least 2600 doesn't feature posers who call things they're too squirmy to admit they'd like to like "gay".

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      --
      make install -not war

    3. Re:EOT by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Comparing Phrack to 2600 is like comparing a Ferrari to a Yugo.

    4. Re:EOT by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Except the Yugo is still running, and Phrack is permanently garaged.

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      --
      make install -not war

    5. Re:EOT by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Better analogy: Yugo keeps putting out shitty new models every month, but you can always take your trusty Ferrari out for a spin. :)

    6. Re:EOT by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Except that Phrack isn't spinning any more.

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      make install -not war

  46. no no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    crackers beak software protection so warez d00dz can trade zero day elite shit. and we all want zero day elite shit. because if you don't have zero day then you're lame.
    got it?

  47. Sorry to see it go ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to read Phrack when I started out with computers, and often couldnt understand half of it. I often wondered what it would be like to know enough to be able to comment and submit stories. The articles where usually interesting from a programmers perspective, and a whole lot more interesting subjects than any programmers publication. It motivated me to know more. Now Im good enough to understand the stuff they write about, they go and shut it down. You will be missed.

  48. [Pedanticism Alert] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Don't waste time debating cracker/hacker for
    the 5 billionth time, the word 'hacker' was long
    ago taken over by the crackers who were called
    hackers by themselves and the media. 'Hacker' does not mean what it did in the earlier generations of computing anymore.

    The term has evolved as all things do.

    In any case, the difference between cracker/hacker is a purely pedantic issue at this point.
    If you prefer to think of 'hackers' as different, then just imagine every instance of the word "Hacker" you see here and in other media replaced
    with the word "Cracker"

    This will be the intended interpretation of
    the author 99% of the time. Only in elitist/nerdy
    old-school "hacker" groups will you ever find
    any wide acceptance for the the older interpretation of the word hacker.

    The word hacker already has strong negative
    connotations in the world, and there's no
    chance of any recovery possible at this point.

    If you call yourself a hacker, and are not a person who breaks into other people's computers,
    writes viruses, etc, then GET A NEW CATCH PHRASE.

    1. Re:[Pedanticism Alert] by nametaken · · Score: 1


      Absolutely right. I'm glad someone put it so well.

      I get so irritated every time I hear this conversation. There's no chance of convincing John Q. Public that a hacker is a guy who takes things apart to find out how they work.

      All they know is viruses, spyware, drone computers, losing their CC#'s while trying to buy pillowcases online, and all the various other stuff that DOES make news.

      Just let the argument die, we lost a LONG time ago!

    2. Re:[Pedanticism Alert] by grcumb · · Score: 1

      "I get so irritated every time I hear this conversation. There's no chance of convincing John Q. Public that a hacker is a guy who takes things apart to find out how they work. [...] Just let the argument die, we lost a LONG time ago!"

      The reduction of the word to have only a negative connotation casts a pall over all unorthodox computer activity. I believe that letting that attitude prevail will ultimately cause more trouble than it already has.

      I don't know about you, but I quite like the effect I have when I tell people I'm hacking on something. It's probably the same look that an uptight suburbian gets when one black person calls another 'nigger', or when a gay man calls another 'fag'.

      There's value in forcing people to remember that nothing in life can be safely labelled and put away, no matter how much they want it to be that way.

      --
      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
  49. Re:Heh by andrewa · · Score: 1

    So how many people tried to login to his /. account using this password....?

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  50. PHRACK IS OPEN SOURCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guys

    Phrack is as OPEN SOURCE as it comes.

    If these editors are too lazy to keep it going,

    FORK IT!

    INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE

  51. Re:RIP Phrack!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever happened to that el8 zine? they only published a few editions, but it was very funny stuff, packed with satirical subtext.

    if whoever was responsible for it is reading this, dont give up dude.

  52. Mod Parent Up by double-oh+three · · Score: 1

    To add one other thing, we cannot expect even the whitest of white-hat hacking to remain legal on it's own. **AA, BSA, MS and countless others all work toward using the legal system to slowly break down the digital rights we have.

    The reason why Emmanuel and others (including Micheal who gave a talk at the last HOPE[Hackers On Planet Earth] conference.[MP3 here http://www.the-fifth-hope.org/mp3/drm.mp3 ] ) have started paying attention to politics and particpating in them is because they started affecting what hackers did. They're sideing with the left because the left is more in tune to the message.

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    "For years, I struggled with reality... but I'm happy to say I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
  53. Re:You are so gay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dude, firstly, the term, "womanizer" isn't positive, being a geek and being suave is contradictory, and finally, in particular, your bootlicking is pretty gross. Get over him, will you?

  54. Wow, this really... by phaln · · Score: 1

    ...brings me back. They were an indispensible resource back in the BBS days, and always informative.

    I guess that's the way the times work, though.

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    SNACKS ARE AWESOME
  55. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    guilty

  56. Textfiles.com by itomato · · Score: 1
    Textfiles.com has the PHRAK back catalog, which is just a smidgeon of info they have:

    PHRAK back issues

    Plenty of mirrors, and, huh.. there *used* to be a torrent..

    "For a while, I was running a .torrent of all textfiles you could download on the textfiles.com website. It was very popular, so popular, in fact, that it was killing my bandwidth. Also, as time went on, it started to get out of sync with the files on the website itself. I guess I didn't think the whole thing through as much as I would have liked."

    http://torrent.textfiles.com/

    Sorry, Jason Scott!
    1. Re:Textfiles.com by Jason+Scott · · Score: 1

      There'll be a torrent again. I am very focused on finishing the BBS Documentary, and when that is done I'll be doing the appropriate things with textfiles.com for the current era. (Torrent downloads, RSS feed, etc.)

      Stay tuned. Or at least, stick around.

  57. Re:You are so typical! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't see past your stereotype, you are doomed to become it.

  58. Phrack dies from slashdotting.... by emtboy9 · · Score: 1

    wow... what can I say... wow. Someone posts an article here about the final issue of Phrak, and then the slashdot community causes their server to combust... I guess there won't be an issue 63 after all ;-)

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    "Our funds have never taken part in toxic or death spiral convertible financings of any sort" -BayStar's managing partne
  59. Eric Bloodaxe was a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eric Bloodaxe (past editor of phrack) was a criminal.

    Stole 16 desktop computers from an an office located in Dallas in 1980s

    no one ever knew, and its not in his many memoirs

    i heard it 2nd hand from an accomplice

    1. Re:Eric Bloodaxe was a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amusingly, according to the book Masters of Doom, John Carmack once stole an Apple ][.

      If you've gotta hack, you've gotta hack, I guess.

    2. Re:Eric Bloodaxe was a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in addition.... i know a few poor programmers that also stole computers in their teens.

      and btw.. i remember carmack when he was a newbie beginner asking if anyone wanted to help him learn 3d game programming (on the Dr Dobbs dialup bbs in san francisco) a couple years later the guy writes Wolfenstein 3D for apple and pc.

      i will never underestimate a total newbie again

    3. Re:Eric Bloodaxe was a criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and your point is? '80s hacker world wasn't the same thing as this nicey-nicey corp.-academia shit, boy.

  60. RE: using powers for "good" vs. "evil" by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm more or less with you on your comments, parent poster - but I also think it's wise to be careful talking about hacking in black and white "good" vs. "evil" terms.

    Like almost everything in life, there are complex shades of grey. It's fine to lecture people on how much better it would be for everyone involved if they broke security protocols on their own time and hardware, and then published "white papers" on what they found. But when you're a 15 year old kid, you probably wouldn't find any of that "interesting" at all. You aren't tinkering around with hacking/cracking because you wanted another "homework assignment" to take on. It's purely for the thrill and bragging rights to your like-minded buddies.

    I'm not saying this gives them "carte blanche" to go out and destroy other people's systems... But I guess what I *am* saying is, magazines like Phrack and 2600 started out (and thrived because of) the rebellious spirit of bored teens. Sometimes, the only way you'll really get people to find flaws in a product's security is by putting it in place and seeing who ends up breaking it in order to do something you see as "evil".

    Take those dial-type Master locks for example. Before kids were messing around with them, trying to figure out how they could "feel" the tumblers inside them click to find the combinations on them, most people assumed they were pretty secure locks. (Short of a bolt-cutters, you weren't likely to get by them.) After kids (obviously motivated by the "evil" desire to break into other kids' lockers in schools) leaked out the secrets to picking these things, and it got passed around the Internet, Master Lock, Inc. made improvements to the lock and started selling revised versions.

    I think we'd *still* be using an older revision Master lock today if we waited around for someone to put on a "white hat" and hack their own Master lock purely to "do good" by writing up a white paper on it when they finished.

  61. So...did Craig Neidorf become a lawyer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And if he did....what has he done with his legal life...

    1. Re:So...did Craig Neidorf become a lawyer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he is too ethical for that. :-)

      Think...Sidgemore came and went, married with children, and so forth.

  62. You ruined it!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  63. mysql_pconnect() by khromatikos · · Score: 0

    Next time use mysql_p(hrack)connect(); looks like crackers dont like persistant connections

  64. Again? by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 1

    This is a bit like Cher announcing her Final Farewell Tour three years after her Very Last, I Really Mean It This Time Farewell Tour. Or the CdC announcing they've disbanded. Believe it when I don't see it.

    SoupIsGood Food

    1. Re:Again? by lifespan · · Score: 0

      I would have used Rolling Stones as an example of "way past the used by date but still periodically pulled from the fridge"

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      -- Howto: Get +5 (1) Whine about M$ (2) Namedrop Gentoo (3) Casually Abuse Mods (4) Namedrop Early Computer Model
  65. You've got to give Emmanuel credit, though by Captain+Tripps · · Score: 1

    I used to listen to his radio show, Off The Hook, and while his ideology could be a bit much to take sometimes, I was always impressed by his shear stubbornness in standing up for hacker rights. He's been sued by Ford over domain name trademarks and the MPAA for linking to DeCSS, and fought both lawsuits to the finish. 2600 also supported Kevin Mitnick in a big way, when the EFF wouldn't. And HOPE is arguably the most important hacker conference on the planet. While I haven't read 2600 magazine in a while, from what I remember (circa mid/late 90's) it was always a bit uninteresting. And it certainly didn't compare to Phrack, which has always sort of been the peer reviewed journal of hackerdom. But there's more to 2600 than the magazine.

  66. Re:i didn't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give me a fucking break. There haven't been any signifigant developments in infosec for years. Infosec publications are only read by spineless worshippers and rehashers of antique concepts. Phrack, 2600, etc. have been complacent panderers for years, bringing absolutely nothing new or different to the table (which shouldn't come as a suprise because most software and networks haven't changed signifigantly since the early 90s). That's why the MPAA lawsuit was the best thing that could have ever happened to 2600: they finally had something new to talk about other than writing 1-line perl port scanners and bin2hex converters.

  67. Re:i didn't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nope - l0pht went 100% commercial

    .. and became @stake, home of "fire people for speaking out in honesty".

  68. damn it it's dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FRELL! You killed phrack!

    1. Re:damn it it's dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or... FRAK! you killed PHRACK!

  69. Rancorous Wives by Judeocritic · · Score: 1
    O, reason not the need! Our basest beggars
    Are in the poorest thing superfluous.
    (Lear, II.iv)
    And now, gentlemen, behold why it is that Bolshevism and castration follows on the heels of gynaecocracy.
  70. To see or not to see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To see or not to see, that is the cracker's question:
    Whether 'tis humbler in their eyes to suffer
    The access and restrictions of outrageous fortune,
    Or to take arms against a sea of 403s,
    And by exploiting end them? To root: to sleep;
    No more; and by a sleep to say we end
    The heart-ache and the thousand bot attacks.

  71. Re:Heh by vettemph · · Score: 1

    me too!

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    The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
  72. You know, any time I see the word 'sellout'... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1

    ...I immediately stop reading. It's just such a silly old cliche. Unless someone takes money to espouse a point of view with which they disagree, they have NOT 'sold out.'

  73. it doesnt work because by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    I got there first and changed it ;^)

  74. Budweiser hackin by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

    I haven't even read Phrack (Phreaking & Hacking) since its founder dropped off a 6-pack of Budweiser on my stoop out here one day years back.

    But I thought that was one of the best...Thanksgiving dinners that I've had in a long time.

    And Phrack was one heck of one hell of a magazine. That was one byooful magazine thar, bud.

    W4NUA standin bye and monitrin

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  75. A good sign. by Mintee · · Score: 1

    Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (11) in /var/www/phrack.org/htdocs/.config/phracksql_inc.p hp on line 106

    That's a sign... Bye bye phrack

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    Help me get a PSP! Who can afford s
  76. Re:Finally by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    There's a big difference in being dead and being underground. It's not "dead," just not a lot of people know about it... and that's a really good thing especially because of the type of magazine it is. And I really wonder what motivates them to stop publishing their ezines... I know it has nothing to do about not having a large audience... I kept up with it from time to time, but I never got to read every single ezine through and through... It really makes me sad to hear this news though.

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    "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
  77. Re:2600 is still around... I disagree. by blanks · · Score: 1

    2600 still has some good quality information coming from it.

    For example, volume 21, number 2 had a great article on magstrips. The article its self really went into a lot of details relating to how the hardware works, with some really great diagrams relating to serial, and a great bit of code relating to how to read the data passed from the reader through serial.

    I guess it depends on what you expect from the zine, but I think for their customer base (younger kids interested in computers) this is a great piece of information, they get into really one of the best steps for kids to learn about communicating with hardware, and the article really helps walk through the beginning steps to get people modivated to really try to expierment.

  78. the colours on the wall by Vspiritas · · Score: 0

    Why publish anything to the public anymore.
    these days it goes to the mainstream.
    when its mainstream related its abused for profit to an extent that cannot be allowed.
    then it dies.

    happened to the warez scene.
    happens to the h/p'ings as well.
    its over.

    now it goes back to where it belongs, in the new underground being established, and where it should be long. evolution in progress, something evolves and it blossoms, and it will return to its roots.

    we need these grassroots, because out entire society will decay without renewal.

    thats the dangers of the 1984 we have to fight.

    unless we all want to live in a world controlled by the few, enslaved by the few, lived in agony by the many.

    pink floyd I call upon you.
    bob dylan you are called for.
    lennon, its time to reincarnate.
    leonard cohen, play it for harry,
    play it for me.

    pump up the volume
    boondock saints its time for a sequel.

    kind friends. Freak the fuck out of the whole of shittyness mister bush you freedom abuser have put and are putting us in.

    talking about freedom, you are abusing the word. the freedom you speak of, are slavery. yoy cannot justify what you are doing. you are an abommination, you are a disgrace. I love you I pitty you and because of your position, I pitty us all.. and I'll fight you, I'll be a trojan in your house, I will walk how you want me to, until I get in a position where what you are doing be undone.

    may your secret service trace this, you may kill me, but be aware, I am not alone.

    1. Re:the colours on the wall by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1
      thats the dangers of the 1984 we have to fight.
      It's even more like the dangers of Zamiatine's "We". Amazon here
  79. Now if only ./ would come to a end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    subject says it all

  80. They themself said it would never happen! by Circlotron · · Score: 1

    ==Phrack Inc.== Volume Three, Issue Thirty-one, Phile #1 of 9 Issue XXXI Index P H R A C K 3 1 05/28\90 Welcome to a new begining of Phrack Inc. Yes, Phrack is not dead. On the contrary, Phrack will and can't ever die. Phrack is more than just BTW, I had to format the above slightly so I could post it. /. bounced it with the error message "Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters." Is it trying to tell us something?

    1. Re:They themself said it would never happen! by Mind+Booster+Noori · · Score: 1

      Thery said it wouldn't happen, and it will not: check this...

  81. Phrack, 2600 and Blacklisted411! by Original+MacOS+X · · Score: 1

    Damn, Phrack was one of the best hacker zines. :-( I really could cry ... At least 2600 ist still there, and Blacklisted!411 ( http://www.blacklisted411.net ) is back again. To all hackers out there: Support Blacklisted!411 and 2600 as much as possible by buying their issues and sending them articles. At least we want to keep 2 zines...

  82. damn by G.+Ratte' · · Score: 1

    What a bummer. Phrack was the "news-zine of record" for the h/p scene. After ErikB quit though, I dunno who was even running it and it seemed to drop out of the picture (no offense). No more big superstar presence at the helm. Well, I hope somebody that really has the drive to do a newsy 'zine takes over. As they used to say on Hee-Haw, "Saaaaaaaaa-LUTE!" G. Ratte'/cDc

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    G. Ratte'/cDc "I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's hard to pronounce."
  83. Phrack Editor in Chief at BCS2005 by acz · · Score: 1

    You can meet skyper, Phrack's Editor in Chief at BCS2005 in Jakarta.

  84. How many females have ever read Phrack? 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A babe in a g-string and a top that shows a bit of bottom nipplage, holding a smoking gun. What's the purpose of it, other than male sex appeal?

    Are you playing dumb, or are you not playing? In case of the latter: The supermajority of hackers are males. QED.