* Application bundles (note that this is specific to Mac OS X):
Only the binaries themselves (such as the ones in Contents/MacOS) have any useful application of the GPL. The rest of the bundle is meant to be replaceable (that's what bundles and resource forks are for). Thus, the binary itself has not been modified, and the resources are merely packaged together with it.
* Installers and SEA builders:
There are at least four options that I can see that are somewhat practical for someone writing such a program: * Write the program in an interpreted language that needs no compilation (not always possible) * Cause the program to generate its own source code in response to the user's request (increases the size of the binary) * License the program under the GPL with a special exception for use of the unmodified program (as PyInstaller http://pyinstaller.hpcf.upr.edu/cgi-bin/trac.cgi does) * License the program under some other license
P.S. This is all IMHO; It's been awhile since I've read the GPL in full, so I might not fully understand the legal issues here; IANAL; etc.
In case you don't know yet, Marathon Infinity was open sourced in 2000, and the Marathon trilogy was released for free early this year. Aleph One, the result, now runs on any SDL-compatible OS, in addition to having a version that uses the native OSX nibs interface (and, of course, the ability to play over the internet). You might want to try it sometime, if you're into nostalgia (or not). Also, the fact that it's been around 10 years since the triolgy's release means that there are literally thousands of maps and mods around to try.
I realize some of you will completely ignore me anyway, but I'm hoping enough will read it to make this worthwhile...
* The Live CD is already compiled; it will not compile itself when you try to boot from it.
* A stage 1 install from scratch (including KDE or GNOME) does still take several hours, or even several days on very slow computers. It's supposed to.
* If you want to install it in less than several hours, you have many options available at your disposal:
* You can use a stage 3 install so that you have a relatively quick bare bones system, and then you can compile what you need (or use binary packages in portage for the really big stuff),
* You can use a stage 3 install combined with GRP, so that the only thing you need to compile is the kernel, or
* You can now use a stage 3 install with GRP _and_ the binary kernel from the CD itself. This option has been clocked as low as 8 minutes for a fully working system! (Beat that, Windows!)
Ha! You got exactly what you deserved. GLI is in the ALPHA stage. That means that you should not use it unless you can afford to have it hose your system. Even so, it wouldn't automatically format a partition unless you told it to. So it's 100% your own damn fault. You have no sympathy from me or anyone else.
Now that your Windows partition no longer has Windows on it, you may as well install a nice, easy distro like Mandrake, since you are not the kind of person who would find Gentoo useful.
P.S. I am making an extraordinary effort to hold back. Consider yourself lucky.
Since I didn't see any comments to reflect the other side of this, I feel I must respond. As someone whose ISP blocks every single port, I must say, a forced* ISP-based firewall is not the way to go. If you really want such a firewall, by all means, try Comcast. But don't come crying to me when you want to use DCC.
Here are some examples of what I have tried, and failed, to do: - Set up a webmail server to allow myself and my parents to access our email from outside the home (My mom really hates Comcast's webmail interface, and I don't blame her) - Set up an ssh server so that myself and my friends can log in, retrieve files, work on projects, etc. - Set up a VNC server to allow me to teach C online (AIM just doesn't cut it) - Use DCC on IRC - Send and receive files over AIM (gaim, actually) - Use any of AIM's features, besides basic messaging (sending/receiving pictures and voice chat, for example) - Set up any of a dozen game servers
The second I move out (or when my mom's email address no longer has enough inertia to keep us on Comcast), I will switch ISPs. Until then, I guess I must continue to try to convince my mom...
It's too bad Comcast has a government-funded monopoly on cable TV and internet around here.
* I do realize that the parent was not talking about an forced firewall, but I still feel that this viewpoint deserves some discussion
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That page really opened my eyes about the HCI interaction. I have sent the link to the Y Windows Development mailing list in the hopes that maybe Y Windows will incorporate these principles. Who knows? Maybe Y Windows will eventually beat out Mac OS...
Actually, I have slashdot.org as my home page. Well, not really. My home page is blank. It's just easier that way. Slashdot.org is my second choice though.
the Linux ABI? GNU/Linux runs on several CPUs. A GNU/Linux app that I compiled on my iBook will not run on anything but PPC GNU/Linux. Even then it would probably require a relink on any other PPC running GNU/Linux because of the library dependencies. That's why you don't see anything like Wine for Windows. GNU/Linux is just too varied.
1. (This one will probably cause me to get modded flamebait) It seems that the most outspoken of the Slashdot community are in fact stupid and immature. No offense intended. 2. There is a very big difference between copyright and patents, and you would do well to learn it. Journalists can't legally plagiarize each other because of copyright. If news could be covered by patents, the vast majority of news media would cease to exist. Patents are about inventions. A patent can be infringed upon even if the infringing party has never heard of the invention that is patented. 3. I can't claim to know of a solution that would satisfy both the FOSS camp and the proprietary software camp. However, it seems to me that FOSS and software patents can't coexist. They only seem to coexist now because not all possible building blocks of software are encumbered by patents...yet. If this were to ever happen, FOSS would cease to exist beyond a vague memory (and likely a black market). If software patents are allowed to continue, this will inevitably be the result, and that scares a lot of people, myself included. I think that the fear of this possibility is what is causing people to become "overly emotional" and attack software patents in any way they can. This is an act of desperation.
What version of HyperCard do you have? Would you be willing to post it somewhere public? Can Apple really enforce a license for it when the product is no longer available legally?
Linux wouldn't be anywhere without BSD/MIT licensed software such as say XFree86,
The GNU project would have written its own windowing system if XFree86 had not been around or had not been free. And we wouldn't have all these issues with NVIDIA and ATI about their drivers had GNU written a windowing system (they would've used the GPL to prevent it).
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I will respond to your points individually:
* Application bundles (note that this is specific to Mac OS X):
Only the binaries themselves (such as the ones in Contents/MacOS) have any useful application of the GPL. The rest of the bundle is meant to be replaceable (that's what bundles and resource forks are for). Thus, the binary itself has not been modified, and the resources are merely packaged together with it.
* Installers and SEA builders:
There are at least four options that I can see that are somewhat practical for someone writing such a program:
* Write the program in an interpreted language that needs no compilation (not always possible)
* Cause the program to generate its own source code in response to the user's request (increases the size of the binary)
* License the program under the GPL with a special exception for use of the unmodified program (as PyInstaller http://pyinstaller.hpcf.upr.edu/cgi-bin/trac.cgi does)
* License the program under some other license
P.S. This is all IMHO; It's been awhile since I've read the GPL in full, so I might not fully understand the legal issues here; IANAL; etc.
If you're interested, you can find more info at http://source.bungie.org/, and at http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/, or you can visit the AIM chat room (alephone) and/or the IRC channel (#alephone at freenode).
I realize some of you will completely ignore me anyway, but I'm hoping enough will read it to make this worthwhile...
* The Live CD is already compiled; it will not compile itself when you try to boot from it.
* A stage 1 install from scratch (including KDE or GNOME) does still take several hours, or even several days on very slow computers. It's supposed to.
* If you want to install it in less than several hours, you have many options available at your disposal:
* You can use a stage 3 install so that you have a relatively quick bare bones system, and then you can compile what you need (or use binary packages in portage for the really big stuff),
* You can use a stage 3 install combined with GRP, so that the only thing you need to compile is the kernel, or
* You can now use a stage 3 install with GRP _and_ the binary kernel from the CD itself. This option has been clocked as low as 8 minutes for a fully working system! (Beat that, Windows!)
Ha! You got exactly what you deserved. GLI is in the ALPHA stage. That means that you should not use it unless you can afford to have it hose your system. Even so, it wouldn't automatically format a partition unless you told it to. So it's 100% your own damn fault. You have no sympathy from me or anyone else. Now that your Windows partition no longer has Windows on it, you may as well install a nice, easy distro like Mandrake, since you are not the kind of person who would find Gentoo useful. P.S. I am making an extraordinary effort to hold back. Consider yourself lucky.
Since I didn't see any comments to reflect the other side of this, I feel I must respond.
As someone whose ISP blocks every single port, I must say, a forced* ISP-based firewall is not the way to go. If you really want such a firewall, by all means, try Comcast. But don't come crying to me when you want to use DCC.
Here are some examples of what I have tried, and failed, to do:
- Set up a webmail server to allow myself and my parents to access our email from outside the home (My mom really hates Comcast's webmail interface, and I don't blame her)
- Set up an ssh server so that myself and my friends can log in, retrieve files, work on projects, etc.
- Set up a VNC server to allow me to teach C online (AIM just doesn't cut it)
- Use DCC on IRC
- Send and receive files over AIM (gaim, actually)
- Use any of AIM's features, besides basic messaging (sending/receiving pictures and voice chat, for example)
- Set up any of a dozen game servers
The second I move out (or when my mom's email address no longer has enough inertia to keep us on Comcast), I will switch ISPs. Until then, I guess I must continue to try to convince my mom...
It's too bad Comcast has a government-funded monopoly on cable TV and internet around here.
* I do realize that the parent was not talking about an forced firewall, but I still feel that this viewpoint deserves some discussion
Hey you! Join the Navy!
That page really opened my eyes about the HCI interaction. I have sent the link to the Y Windows Development mailing list in the hopes that maybe Y Windows will incorporate these principles. Who knows? Maybe Y Windows will eventually beat out Mac OS...
Check out tuxracer.com.
Did anyone else notice that nethack is being run as root (ignoring the prompt)?
Um...It's "invoke", not "envoke".
If you run GNU/Linux you can set it so that that front LED also acts as your HDD LED. That's how mine is set up. (I think it's a kernel option.)
Actually, I have slashdot.org as my home page. Well, not really. My home page is blank. It's just easier that way. Slashdot.org is my second choice though.
the Linux ABI? GNU/Linux runs on several CPUs. A GNU/Linux app that I compiled on my iBook will not run on anything but PPC GNU/Linux. Even then it would probably require a relink on any other PPC running GNU/Linux because of the library dependencies. That's why you don't see anything like Wine for Windows. GNU/Linux is just too varied.
1. (This one will probably cause me to get modded flamebait) It seems that the most outspoken of the Slashdot community are in fact stupid and immature. No offense intended.
2. There is a very big difference between copyright and patents, and you would do well to learn it. Journalists can't legally plagiarize each other because of copyright. If news could be covered by patents, the vast majority of news media would cease to exist. Patents are about inventions. A patent can be infringed upon even if the infringing party has never heard of the invention that is patented.
3. I can't claim to know of a solution that would satisfy both the FOSS camp and the proprietary software camp. However, it seems to me that FOSS and software patents can't coexist. They only seem to coexist now because not all possible building blocks of software are encumbered by patents...yet. If this were to ever happen, FOSS would cease to exist beyond a vague memory (and likely a black market). If software patents are allowed to continue, this will inevitably be the result, and that scares a lot of people, myself included. I think that the fear of this possibility is what is causing people to become "overly emotional" and attack software patents in any way they can. This is an act of desperation.
...tried running GNU/Linux on a Mac? It's heaven! Now if only I could find an ATI driver...
What version of HyperCard do you have? Would you be willing to post it somewhere public? Can Apple really enforce a license for it when the product is no longer available legally?
The GNU project would have written its own windowing system if XFree86 had not been around or had not been free. And we wouldn't have all these issues with NVIDIA and ATI about their drivers had GNU written a windowing system (they would've used the GPL to prevent it).
Does Morphix have a PPC version? I would certainly like to be able to try it on my iBook.
The problem is that non-geeks multiply too fast. We can't possibly get to all of them.
Welcome to my "Friends" list.
Welcome to my "Foes" list. If only there was a "trolls" list...
Is it encoded in UTF-8? Is it big endian or little endian? CR, LF or CR/LF?
Yes yes I know...all that is irrelevant. It's a joke. Laugh.
What's your ISP called, and where do I sign up?
Your frisbee net probably suffers from high packet loss though...
hydrogen hydroxide, you insensitive clod!
hydrogen = H+
hydroxide = OH-
hydrogen hydrixide = HOH