"We're guaranteeing that we'll run out of raw materials in less than a century. We're guaranteeing that we will not have enough energy to sustain our civilization."
yeah this guys right, if it gets axed, you can gaurantee we'll all be eating Soylent Green in another 100 years!
not to mention noise pollution, right along with air pollution! Its bad enough having a jet liner flying over your house ever hour or so, what about 50 taxis flying by every freaken minute!?
absolutely do not see how this benefits gamers in any way.. game prices will NOT go down
exactly, this is hidious, but this is exactly the kinda crap that happens when profit horing companys like *Viacom* start to enter the market.
its unfortunate, but it looks like games are the perfect vehical for this kind of intrusive advertising.... so look forward to your next copy of "Viacom's The Sims" to come with your very own "my search bar" and cost 5 dollars more than before...
The site most likely pays for itself or its contributors through adverts. If you don't click on the adverts, their revenue stream decreases, and unless they can find new ways to advertise (read: more intrusive), the site will just close up shop.
but, if i were never going to click on them in the first place EVER, then there's no point for me to view them.
you assume that, the more you get into my face, the more willing i'll be to buy your product. WRONG. The more intrusive your ads grow, the more resistant i will become.
is there any push at all to create games that don't need as much space?
Not that I know of, from my understanding of it, if mainstream games switched to using procedural textures, then that would mean programmers would have to take on the job of creating textures, adding yet another huge thing to their already overflowing plate.
Also and probably the main reason why this isn't happening is because procedural textures take a lot longer to generate a usable texture from. Compared to just loading the image from the disk.
For example, with the Playstation 2 there is only 4 MB of video memory, and about half that being used for frame buffer and z buffer, which means it's impossible to store all your texture in memory at any given point. Instead what you have to do is load your texture image off the disk into memory every frame when you need it, then delete it and load the next one when you're done rendering with it. If these were procedural textures, it would take even longer, b/c every frame the engine would have to dynamically create the texture in memory, from the procedural texture code, which is a Lot slower than just loading the image from the disk media.
But for PC games, it's just not worth the developers' time to mess with procedural textures when you can instead just include an extra 2 CDs with the game. And current console design almost prohibits the applied use of procedural textures.
I don't see this solution ever coming into mainstream use, unless the target platform somehow had *lots* of memory but very little storage media. Maybe 3d cell phone games in the future, where they must be downloaded from the service provider, and there is a high need to keep the download size small, to minimize costs on the service provider's end.
I see your point, could be a nice feature.
But i dont think it would be recieved well if it means your "save game" screen now takes 5 minutes as it writes the lead-in lead-out for the disk.
Maybe, but depends on how the storage is used. If its used to hold a fmv at 1024x768 instead of at 640x480 then no, dev time would be the same. Same with it holding higher quality sampled textures and audio.
But instead it has a 20 minute fmv instead of a 5 minute one, and a few thousand more soundbytes and textures, then of course theres going to be a longer development time.
"We felt by adjusting the schedule for the products, we could better meet our customers' volume requirements and their high expectations."
Translation = "full of bugs that cant be fixed in time"
Hopefully more countries will follow the Dutch lead, and loosen the grasp of proprietary software in Europe, leading to more competition in the market, and ultimately Microsoft's downfall *evil grin*
i bet his 2mb lycos inbox is stuffed full of our retoric by now...
"did you outsource the verbage on your page to be written by an 8th grader?"
"dispite popular opinion, having the 'Buy Domains' banner on your site is actually concidered tasteless"
"Hey bud, ever hear of the mailto keyword?"
"now, did you actually use a ligitimant copy of frontpage to make your site?"
"you have a stupid-head"
your absolutly right, im so sick of this new "ignorence is bliss" trend in programming. i fail to see how, knowing more can hurt you or impact your code in a negitive way.
thanks for the tip, moz gets more and more usefull every day.
i guess i wasnt very clear, what i ment to say was, i dont goto the vilest pages in IE, i only load them in moz. i use IE for the pages that use flash which i actually want to see. such as flash animation sites like (homestarrunner.com).
Slashdot Mirror
without it, i would have never discovered such wonderful things as TeleTubby Porn!
"We're guaranteeing that we'll run out of raw materials in less than a century. We're guaranteeing that we will not have enough energy to sustain our civilization."
yeah this guys right, if it gets axed, you can gaurantee we'll all be eating Soylent Green in another 100 years!
well that's just plain misleading!, I read through the whole article and not even 1 desert island joke, or any jokes about smoking dinosaurs?!
the link should have read: "We've linked to some of [NOT GARY] Larson's work previously."
not to mention noise pollution, right along with air pollution! Its bad enough having a jet liner flying over your house ever hour or so, what about 50 taxis flying by every freaken minute!?
Now what the Crap am i supposed to do with the 5000 cans of beans i bought?!
absolutely do not see how this benefits gamers in any way.. game prices will NOT go down
exactly, this is hidious, but this is exactly the kinda crap that happens when profit horing companys like *Viacom* start to enter the market.
its unfortunate, but it looks like games are the perfect vehical for this kind of intrusive advertising.... so look forward to your next copy of "Viacom's The Sims" to come with your very own "my search bar" and cost 5 dollars more than before...
The site most likely pays for itself or its contributors through adverts. If you don't click on the adverts, their revenue stream decreases, and unless they can find new ways to advertise (read: more intrusive), the site will just close up shop.
but, if i were never going to click on them in the first place EVER, then there's no point for me to view them.
you assume that, the more you get into my face, the more willing i'll be to buy your product. WRONG. The more intrusive your ads grow, the more resistant i will become.
Why back in my day, we didnt have such fancy security methods like these "wep keys"...
And my neighbor will never know...why his internet got so much slower the day i came home from college...
is there any push at all to create games that don't need as much space?
Not that I know of, from my understanding of it, if mainstream games switched to using procedural textures, then that would mean programmers would have to take on the job of creating textures, adding yet another huge thing to their already overflowing plate.
Also and probably the main reason why this isn't happening is because procedural textures take a lot longer to generate a usable texture from. Compared to just loading the image from the disk.
For example, with the Playstation 2 there is only 4 MB of video memory, and about half that being used for frame buffer and z buffer, which means it's impossible to store all your texture in memory at any given point. Instead what you have to do is load your texture image off the disk into memory every frame when you need it, then delete it and load the next one when you're done rendering with it. If these were procedural textures, it would take even longer, b/c every frame the engine would have to dynamically create the texture in memory, from the procedural texture code, which is a Lot slower than just loading the image from the disk media.
But for PC games, it's just not worth the developers' time to mess with procedural textures when you can instead just include an extra 2 CDs with the game. And current console design almost prohibits the applied use of procedural textures.
I don't see this solution ever coming into mainstream use, unless the target platform somehow had *lots* of memory but very little storage media. Maybe 3d cell phone games in the future, where they must be downloaded from the service provider, and there is a high need to keep the download size small, to minimize costs on the service provider's end.
I see your point, could be a nice feature.
But i dont think it would be recieved well if it means your "save game" screen now takes 5 minutes as it writes the lead-in lead-out for the disk.
Maybe, but depends on how the storage is used.
If its used to hold a fmv at 1024x768 instead of at 640x480 then no, dev time would be the same. Same with it holding higher quality sampled textures and audio.
But instead it has a 20 minute fmv instead of a 5 minute one, and a few thousand more soundbytes and textures, then of course theres going to be a longer development time.
"The future is here!"?!
But i was promised flying cars, flying cars!
"We felt by adjusting the schedule for the products, we could better meet our customers' volume requirements and their high expectations."
Translation = "full of bugs that cant be fixed in time"
I was under the impression that "cleanup" in this context simply ment moving the contaminents to a new underground bunker.
What about people who already own, or just bought a brand new ipod? Do they have to rebuy a new one again with their tuition?
Next up, Harvard to distribute gameboy advance
you got ARROWED!!!
Hopefully more countries will follow the Dutch lead, and loosen the grasp of proprietary software in Europe, leading to more competition in the market, and ultimately Microsoft's downfall *evil grin*
And hopefully someone will mod this redundant
yeah, they forgot the biggest and probably most important use for this device...p0rn!!!!!
i bet his 2mb lycos inbox is stuffed full of our retoric by now... "did you outsource the verbage on your page to be written by an 8th grader?" "dispite popular opinion, having the 'Buy Domains' banner on your site is actually concidered tasteless" "Hey bud, ever hear of the mailto keyword?" "now, did you actually use a ligitimant copy of frontpage to make your site?" "you have a stupid-head"
given this new trend, anyone think thers a chance of msn/hotmail boosting my spam catcher account?
releaseing engineers into the wild!? It will be just like swiss family robinson!...only with more physics jokes!
your absolutly right, im so sick of this new "ignorence is bliss" trend in programming. i fail to see how, knowing more can hurt you or impact your code in a negitive way.
thanks for the tip, moz gets more and more usefull every day. i guess i wasnt very clear, what i ment to say was, i dont goto the vilest pages in IE, i only load them in moz. i use IE for the pages that use flash which i actually want to see. such as flash animation sites like (homestarrunner.com).