You of course believe that the police should wait to get shot or knifed before responding.
Yes, because as everyone knows, reality is always black and white with no shades of gray. Can we have something in-between? As it is, too many people are dying that don't need to and shouldn't die.
If a cop's highest priority is to save his own life, he's going to be of little use in saving innocent lives that are in harm's way if he's unwilling to put himself at risk. In fact, it puts innocents at risk as the quicker a cop is to escalate to lethal force if he suddenly "feels threatened" (such a nice precise legal definition based on 'feelz' that could never cover for bad actors/actions, eh?) the more people that will die needlessly.
This entire attitude of "going home tonight" being the top priority among law enforcement has been a large contributing factor to the distrust, hatred, and "retaliatory" executions of police officers by the public, yet law enforcement as a whole will not acknowledge it as a problem, so, sadly, I guess more good men will die needlessly.
And you blatantly, maliciously lie when you say that death is the desired outcome when shooting.
I never said that. Perhaps in your rush to knee-jerking a response you mistook another post's comments for mine? Slow down there, Cowboy!
Shooting a subject is meant to stop a threat as a last resort, and most cops are trained to fire until the threat is neutralized, which means no discernible movement of the subject. Which, in a large percentage of instances if not the overwhelming majority, means the subject is likely dead or is moments away from expiring from multiple gunshot wounds.
So, although technically true that death is not stated as the desired outcome, the outcome that *is* desired and the procedures/policies behind them usually results in the subject's death.
The previous compliance device was the baton - which resulted in not only pain, but broken bones and deaths, too.
TASERs are not perfect. But they're still better than every alternative that's been tried.
You're entirely missing the point.
It's the use of a weapon meant as a less-lethal next-to-last-resort short of a firearm defensive immobilization tool, as a tool to coerce compliance through pain instead, not like human cattle prods. Using the baton for that purpose was misuse just as using TASER technology for that purpose is misuse. Can you not discern a difference?
Perhaps more than that, death is the only desired outcome. Nobody pulls out a firearm to simply immobilize someone. Well if you're dead then you're immobilized, I suppose...
One of the major problems with law enforcement use of TASER technology out in the real world is that it's often misused as a compliance-by-pain-weapon of control/punishment, rather than a defensive immobilization tool of next-to-last resort short of a firearm. This certainly does nothing to improve the public's perceptions of or trust in law enforcement in general.
I suppose you would just let them go, or resort to putting yourself in harms way to subdue such a person?
Yes.
If officers put their own safety over that of the public they're sworn to protect and serve such that they will not put themselves in harm's way to avoid taking a possibly-innocent life, then I want them gone last week. Full stop.
Strat - I surmise that a good deal of the anti-speech movement on the left comes from, as one philosopher phrases it, "A Desire to Be Heroic." It is, as of yet, unclear to me what the highest quality approaches are to discussing this. Some of us believe the best defense against hate speech is MORE SPEECH. Suggesting this quickly got you labelled a member of the aryan nation by one responder. No doubt I'll get flamed too for responding to a couple of them. I included images of what MORE SPEECH means to me (Anna Kasparian's legs, Mel Brooks impersonating Hitler, Woody Allen as Castro). However the 'YOU ARE A WHITE RACIST' response quickly follows. And it's worthless, in my case for example, to explain that I'm not white. Nor will I pass the 'paper bag test' any time soon.
Pretty much agree 100%. It's going to take grownups like you & I to show them that we have far, far more in common as Americans than anything that would separate us.
The name-calling simply proves they have no argument or they'd make it, and it's also a weaksauce attempt to shame people like us in order to silence us (cluebat incoming, Progs!: Ain't happening!).
Then you haven't listened to a word the US Progressive/Left has said for over 50 years. "Malicious falsehoods" are the Progressive's stock-in-trade. Ask Rev. Al.
it staggers belief that you of all people would be arguing against personal responsibility.
Of course if the driver is found guilty he will pay his personal responsibility with the sentence the court hands down. That's only the *legal* portion of responsibility, there is also a greater moral responsibility here for the entire situation occurring to begin with as well.
That moral responsibility lies with the Progressives and Leftists who have been stoking the fires of hatred and division among as many cultural, religious, racial, and political/ideological sub-groups as they could for 50+ years, and throwing gasoline on the fire once their plans backfired and Trump was elected.
Neither of these two people would have been in Charlotte if it wasn't for the hatred and rage fomented and incited by the Progressive Left via their Trotsky-ite/Alinsky-ite class/group/identity politics, even using groups of hired thugs to start riots, and setting people against each other to gain political power.
For shame, sir.
I'll never feel shame for standing for truth. No matter how unpleasant or inconvenient some may find it.
It's too bad the Progressive Left in the US seems incapable of shame. Perhaps if they were capable of feeling shame for all the hatred and division they've deliberately caused over the decades to advance their ideological/political agendas, maybe Heather (and many, many other Progressive 'collateral damage' victims over the decades) might still be alive today.
It only took one "Black Lives Matter" protestor to kill five officers.
But somehow that's different and justified to the Progressive Left in the US and doesn't count.
If it could somehow be converted to energy, the amount of hypocrisy & cognitive dissonance this indicates among US Progressives could power the whole of Manhattan, with the EM Drive attached, to a significant percentage of C within minutes!
Come to think of it, this should be a national goal!
There are only a few thousand of them in the entire US of ~350M people. They have no power. They're silly little goose-stepping idiots. They are no serious threat to anyone or anything.
Tell that to the family of Heather Heyer. It took only one of them to allegedly kill her.
And why was Heather Heyer out there in the street to be killed in the first place?
Because antifa, BAMN, BLM, etc...in other words the US Left...has gone violent and made these tiny groups of white supremacists the center of media attention and ginned-up public outrage until someone like Heather loses her life, all so the Left has a martyr. Heaher Heyer's death is squarely on the shoulders of the US Left.
So you want to require universities to let White Supremacists speak?
Why not? What are you afraid of? Do you think their words will somehow trigger your latent, inner-Klansman?
Let them speak, it gives us all some comic-relief and a chance to laugh them back into irrelevance. There are only a few thousand of them in the entire US of ~350M people. They have no power. They're silly little goose-stepping idiots. They are no serious threat to anyone or anything.
You actually empower them with media attention they'd never get anyways. Makes me wonder if maybe you're actually a recruiter.
They're designed that way to keep the learning-curve as shallow & short as possible for guys that are used to vacuum-tube amplifiers with physical-spring reverb tanks and effects pedals with germanium transistors. Knobs, buttons, switches, and sliders are what they understand and so skeuomorphic-style GUI digital audio workstation software is what they tend to be more comfortable with and hence to buy, so naturally that's what is most-produced.
Allegedly it's intelligence and counter-terrorism. But more and more it feels like counter-intelligence and terrorism.
It's basic human nature at work. You give a group of people (government) power over another group (citizens), and it will be abused. The more power the first group has over the second, the more and the harsher the abuse. It's the reason in a nutshell why the US Constitution was written to be almost entirely about restricting the Federal government to narrowly-defined & limited powers and duties.
Remember boys and girls, since nation-states became a thing, more citizens have died at the hands of their own government than have died in all the wars by a huge margin. Be careful what you wish for...you just may get it!
More important than features is the distinct possibility that any truly "secure" phone won't be allowed on US carrier's networks either through carrier restrictions or by US legal decision. Can't allow the plebs to talk among themselves without the ability to eavesdrop and install whatever spyware US TLAs roll out. For the children, of course.
Bitcoin has a permanent log of all transactions going back to the very beginning. The log never goes away.
As soon as a single trasnaction become tied to a real person then every transaction ever made by the person is exposed.
Bitcoin is not anonymous. Never was never will be. Using for that purpose = fool. There are other cryptocurrencies designed for anonymous, bu tthey are not as popular so also not as useful.
Came here to say precisely this.
BC could be a possible hedge against runaway inflation among normal fiat currencies, but it was never intended nor designed for anonymity.
What TFA does not say is how many households have no streaming device.
Indeed. I don't watch TV shows and only very occasionally watch a movie that's many years old, on my computer. Don't own a "TV". Between the exceedingly poor quality of current movies and TV series and the behavior of the media cartels regarding their abuse of copyright, screw 'em! I won't give them money *or* eyeballs.
You can't have a productive dialogue with people who are nazi apologists.
There's the strawman.
He's a simple soul with a simple mind that embraces simple ideas like calling anyone who disagrees with his views a "Nazi" in order to make violating those people's civil rights in order to silence them somehow "OK" because "Nazis! reeeee! reeeee! reeeee! nazinazinazi! NAZISSSS!!1!".
It's the same tired old Trotsky-ite/Alinsky-ite identity/group politics that's proved so fatal to so many millions over the last ~75 years. But who needs to know anything about boring history, it's all alt-Right/Nazi propaganda amirite?
If the people you're with are telling you not to listen to certain people or opinions or that they should be silenced, those are *precisely* the most important ones you should be seeking out in order to form your *own* opinion.
One major issue with the current political climate -- which you two have just perfectly demonstrated -- is the all or nothing approach, like the misguided loyalty to a football team that is so common in the US. Next to zero critical thinking or consideration of opposing views in current political discourse. Left vs Right -- that's all it is anymore. My side is always correct.
Seems to be an anti-evolutionary and stupid approach to matters of critical importance, in my opinion.
I agree.
However, there are often issues where one side is demonstrably wrong and to deny that when it happens is equally unproductive, "stupid", and only exacerbates the problem(s).
I stopped using/buying 'home audio' equipment many years ago in favor of a small 'budget' music/live-performance/small-band-type PA/speaker system. I have an extremely flexible system that even includes basic audio mixing/EQ functionality and multiple input channels for a fraction of the cost of a 'home audio/entertainment' system that only provides a fraction of the audio functionality.
You also get a lot more bang for your buck when the manufacturer isn't spending a significant portion of the money to produce it on cosmetics and 'me too!' online functionality that adds little real value to the customer but provides an ongoing data-sales income stream for the manufacturer. Check out systems at musiciansfriend.com or sweetwatermusic.com for yourself.
Does it get bricked remotely, or is there an expiry date built into the existing firmware?
They're controlled/flown by a smartphone app. The app checks the firmware's software hash against a hash the app gets from DJI using your phone. If the hashes don't match, the controller-app won't let the drone take off.
Not entirely clear on whether or not the app will let the drone fly if there's no cell/'net service to be able to check current authorized hashes. Likely there's a 'window' of time (24 hours? 72 hours?) where no cell/'net service is not an issue and the app will allow takeoff, because if it follows most updating patterns, it probably only has to check once every so-many hours (24?). It can get time stamps from the GPS it uses.
I'm sure someone here more familiar with DJI-brand quadcopters in particular can provide more/better information.
Coming from a non-US English nation, what is wrong with Americans in general? Their collective psyche is like no other nation on the planet; the closest to a general national identity that can be described appears to be "paranoid schizophrenic on crack". That's a generalisation, obviously, but it's an awful one to consider.
A few decades ago this was not so much the case in the US as it is today. What you are witnessing is the result of identity/group politics dividing people along every conceivable social dividing line...be it race, religion, gender, wealth, or ideology...then fanning-up the flames of hate and pitting these groups against each other so that TPTB can maintain and grow their power, control, and wealth, with little pushback possible from the fractured and infighting plebs who are too busy hating and fighting each each other to resist anything TPTB wish to do.
Lettuce and tomato I understand because they're solid toppings. But I don't see how it's so easy to remove mayonnaise from a sandwich.
Easy!
Same way you wash dishes! Just use a Kenmore!
"Here you go! Good dog, Kenmore!"
Strat :)
Yes. I'm trying to hide... EVERYTHING!
"What are you talking about? *Respect* for individual privacy, Rule of Law, and civil rights!?!?
We're the US Government! We don't *do* that sort of thing!!"
Strat
You of course believe that the police should wait to get shot or knifed before responding.
Yes, because as everyone knows, reality is always black and white with no shades of gray. Can we have something in-between? As it is, too many people are dying that don't need to and shouldn't die.
If a cop's highest priority is to save his own life, he's going to be of little use in saving innocent lives that are in harm's way if he's unwilling to put himself at risk. In fact, it puts innocents at risk as the quicker a cop is to escalate to lethal force if he suddenly "feels threatened" (such a nice precise legal definition based on 'feelz' that could never cover for bad actors/actions, eh?) the more people that will die needlessly.
This entire attitude of "going home tonight" being the top priority among law enforcement has been a large contributing factor to the distrust, hatred, and "retaliatory" executions of police officers by the public, yet law enforcement as a whole will not acknowledge it as a problem, so, sadly, I guess more good men will die needlessly.
And you blatantly, maliciously lie when you say that death is the desired outcome when shooting.
I never said that. Perhaps in your rush to knee-jerking a response you mistook another post's comments for mine? Slow down there, Cowboy!
Shooting a subject is meant to stop a threat as a last resort, and most cops are trained to fire until the threat is neutralized, which means no discernible movement of the subject. Which, in a large percentage of instances if not the overwhelming majority, means the subject is likely dead or is moments away from expiring from multiple gunshot wounds.
So, although technically true that death is not stated as the desired outcome, the outcome that *is* desired and the procedures/policies behind them usually results in the subject's death.
Strat
The previous compliance device was the baton - which resulted in not only pain, but broken bones and deaths, too.
TASERs are not perfect. But they're still better than every alternative that's been tried.
You're entirely missing the point.
It's the use of a weapon meant as a less-lethal next-to-last-resort short of a firearm defensive immobilization tool, as a tool to coerce compliance through pain instead, not like human cattle prods. Using the baton for that purpose was misuse just as using TASER technology for that purpose is misuse. Can you not discern a difference?
Strat
One of the major problems with law enforcement use of TASER technology out in the real world is that it's often misused as a compliance-by-pain-weapon of control/punishment, rather than a defensive immobilization tool of next-to-last resort short of a firearm. This certainly does nothing to improve the public's perceptions of or trust in law enforcement in general.
Strat
I suppose you would just let them go, or resort to putting yourself in harms way to subdue such a person?
Yes.
If officers put their own safety over that of the public they're sworn to protect and serve such that they will not put themselves in harm's way to avoid taking a possibly-innocent life, then I want them gone last week. Full stop.
Strat
Strat - I surmise that a good deal of the anti-speech movement on the left comes from, as one philosopher phrases it, "A Desire to Be Heroic." It is, as of yet, unclear to me what the highest quality approaches are to discussing this. Some of us believe the best defense against hate speech is MORE SPEECH. Suggesting this quickly got you labelled a member of the aryan nation by one responder. No doubt I'll get flamed too for responding to a couple of them. I included images of what MORE SPEECH means to me (Anna Kasparian's legs, Mel Brooks impersonating Hitler, Woody Allen as Castro). However the 'YOU ARE A WHITE RACIST' response quickly follows. And it's worthless, in my case for example, to explain that I'm not white. Nor will I pass the 'paper bag test' any time soon.
Pretty much agree 100%. It's going to take grownups like you & I to show them that we have far, far more in common as Americans than anything that would separate us.
The name-calling simply proves they have no argument or they'd make it, and it's also a weaksauce attempt to shame people like us in order to silence us (cluebat incoming, Progs!: Ain't happening!).
Strat
I have rarely seen a more malicious falsehood...
Then you haven't listened to a word the US Progressive/Left has said for over 50 years. "Malicious falsehoods" are the Progressive's stock-in-trade. Ask Rev. Al.
it staggers belief that you of all people would be arguing against personal responsibility.
Of course if the driver is found guilty he will pay his personal responsibility with the sentence the court hands down. That's only the *legal* portion of responsibility, there is also a greater moral responsibility here for the entire situation occurring to begin with as well.
That moral responsibility lies with the Progressives and Leftists who have been stoking the fires of hatred and division among as many cultural, religious, racial, and political/ideological sub-groups as they could for 50+ years, and throwing gasoline on the fire once their plans backfired and Trump was elected.
Neither of these two people would have been in Charlotte if it wasn't for the hatred and rage fomented and incited by the Progressive Left via their Trotsky-ite/Alinsky-ite class/group/identity politics, even using groups of hired thugs to start riots, and setting people against each other to gain political power.
For shame, sir.
I'll never feel shame for standing for truth. No matter how unpleasant or inconvenient some may find it.
It's too bad the Progressive Left in the US seems incapable of shame. Perhaps if they were capable of feeling shame for all the hatred and division they've deliberately caused over the decades to advance their ideological/political agendas, maybe Heather (and many, many other Progressive 'collateral damage' victims over the decades) might still be alive today.
Strat
It only took one "Black Lives Matter" protestor to kill five officers.
But somehow that's different and justified to the Progressive Left in the US and doesn't count.
If it could somehow be converted to energy, the amount of hypocrisy & cognitive dissonance this indicates among US Progressives could power the whole of Manhattan, with the EM Drive attached, to a significant percentage of C within minutes!
Come to think of it, this should be a national goal!
Strat
And why was Heather Heyer out there in the street to be killed in the first place?
Because antifa, BAMN, BLM, etc...in other words the US Left...has gone violent and made these tiny groups of white supremacists the center of media attention and ginned-up public outrage until someone like Heather loses her life, all so the Left has a martyr. Heaher Heyer's death is squarely on the shoulders of the US Left.
Strat
So you want to require universities to let White Supremacists speak?
Why not? What are you afraid of? Do you think their words will somehow trigger your latent, inner-Klansman?
Let them speak, it gives us all some comic-relief and a chance to laugh them back into irrelevance. There are only a few thousand of them in the entire US of ~350M people. They have no power. They're silly little goose-stepping idiots. They are no serious threat to anyone or anything.
You actually empower them with media attention they'd never get anyways. Makes me wonder if maybe you're actually a recruiter.
Strat
They're designed that way to keep the learning-curve as shallow & short as possible for guys that are used to vacuum-tube amplifiers with physical-spring reverb tanks and effects pedals with germanium transistors. Knobs, buttons, switches, and sliders are what they understand and so skeuomorphic-style GUI digital audio workstation software is what they tend to be more comfortable with and hence to buy, so naturally that's what is most-produced.
Strat
Allegedly it's intelligence and counter-terrorism. But more and more it feels like counter-intelligence and terrorism.
It's basic human nature at work. You give a group of people (government) power over another group (citizens), and it will be abused. The more power the first group has over the second, the more and the harsher the abuse. It's the reason in a nutshell why the US Constitution was written to be almost entirely about restricting the Federal government to narrowly-defined & limited powers and duties.
Remember boys and girls, since nation-states became a thing, more citizens have died at the hands of their own government than have died in all the wars by a huge margin. Be careful what you wish for...you just may get it!
Strat
(How about a hardware keyboard?)
Anyone? Bueller?
[crickets]
More important than features is the distinct possibility that any truly "secure" phone won't be allowed on US carrier's networks either through carrier restrictions or by US legal decision. Can't allow the plebs to talk among themselves without the ability to eavesdrop and install whatever spyware US TLAs roll out. For the children, of course.
Strat
Bitcoin has a permanent log of all transactions going back to the very beginning. The log never goes away.
As soon as a single trasnaction become tied to a real person then every transaction ever made by the person is exposed.
Bitcoin is not anonymous. Never was never will be. Using for that purpose = fool. There are other cryptocurrencies designed for anonymous, bu tthey are not as popular so also not as useful.
Came here to say precisely this.
BC could be a possible hedge against runaway inflation among normal fiat currencies, but it was never intended nor designed for anonymity.
Strat
What TFA does not say is how many households have no streaming device.
Indeed. I don't watch TV shows and only very occasionally watch a movie that's many years old, on my computer. Don't own a "TV". Between the exceedingly poor quality of current movies and TV series and the behavior of the media cartels regarding their abuse of copyright, screw 'em! I won't give them money *or* eyeballs.
Strat
He's a simple soul with a simple mind that embraces simple ideas like calling anyone who disagrees with his views a "Nazi" in order to make violating those people's civil rights in order to silence them somehow "OK" because "Nazis! reeeee! reeeee! reeeee! nazinazinazi! NAZISSSS!!1!".
It's the same tired old Trotsky-ite/Alinsky-ite identity/group politics that's proved so fatal to so many millions over the last ~75 years. But who needs to know anything about boring history, it's all alt-Right/Nazi propaganda amirite?
If the people you're with are telling you not to listen to certain people or opinions or that they should be silenced, those are *precisely* the most important ones you should be seeking out in order to form your *own* opinion.
Strat
Try getting a phone from the last 5 years, grandpa.
I tried to buy a "phone", but all they wanted to sell me were wireless tracking and marketing devices.
You mean you fell for that?
Wow, kids these days!
Strat
One major issue with the current political climate -- which you two have just perfectly demonstrated -- is the all or nothing approach, like the misguided loyalty to a football team that is so common in the US. Next to zero critical thinking or consideration of opposing views in current political discourse. Left vs Right -- that's all it is anymore. My side is always correct.
Seems to be an anti-evolutionary and stupid approach to matters of critical importance, in my opinion.
I agree.
However, there are often issues where one side is demonstrably wrong and to deny that when it happens is equally unproductive, "stupid", and only exacerbates the problem(s).
Strat
I guess "free speech" now means shooting Senators of the opposing Party, according to the anti-gun Left.
FTFFY
Congratulations on becoming everything you claim to hate.
Strat
Privacy and free speech only apply to people who support the president.
I guess "free speech" now means rioting, destruction of private & public property, and violent attacks and beatings, according to the Left.
Congratulations on becoming everything you claim to hate.
Strat
Gah!
Second URL should be 'sweetwater.com'
Apologies!
Strat
I stopped using/buying 'home audio' equipment many years ago in favor of a small 'budget' music/live-performance/small-band-type PA/speaker system. I have an extremely flexible system that even includes basic audio mixing/EQ functionality and multiple input channels for a fraction of the cost of a 'home audio/entertainment' system that only provides a fraction of the audio functionality.
You also get a lot more bang for your buck when the manufacturer isn't spending a significant portion of the money to produce it on cosmetics and 'me too!' online functionality that adds little real value to the customer but provides an ongoing data-sales income stream for the manufacturer. Check out systems at musiciansfriend.com or sweetwatermusic.com for yourself.
Strat
Does it get bricked remotely, or is there an expiry date built into the existing firmware?
They're controlled/flown by a smartphone app. The app checks the firmware's software hash against a hash the app gets from DJI using your phone. If the hashes don't match, the controller-app won't let the drone take off.
Not entirely clear on whether or not the app will let the drone fly if there's no cell/'net service to be able to check current authorized hashes. Likely there's a 'window' of time (24 hours? 72 hours?) where no cell/'net service is not an issue and the app will allow takeoff, because if it follows most updating patterns, it probably only has to check once every so-many hours (24?). It can get time stamps from the GPS it uses.
I'm sure someone here more familiar with DJI-brand quadcopters in particular can provide more/better information.
Strat
Coming from a non-US English nation, what is wrong with Americans in general? Their collective psyche is like no other nation on the planet; the closest to a general national identity that can be described appears to be "paranoid schizophrenic on crack". That's a generalisation, obviously, but it's an awful one to consider.
A few decades ago this was not so much the case in the US as it is today. What you are witnessing is the result of identity/group politics dividing people along every conceivable social dividing line...be it race, religion, gender, wealth, or ideology...then fanning-up the flames of hate and pitting these groups against each other so that TPTB can maintain and grow their power, control, and wealth, with little pushback possible from the fractured and infighting plebs who are too busy hating and fighting each each other to resist anything TPTB wish to do.
Strat